Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

The setting on the router is to be used when you want to use an onscreen 
braille keyboard that is built into oS8.  If you want to use your braille 
display just as you currently do, you do it exactly as you currently do. 
HTH.


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Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:04 PM
Subject: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
and it would be great if they added that ability.

Thanks in advance,
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Re: IOS 8 Released

[Charles Rivard]

I would rather delay a launch until the majority of the bugs have been 
worked out.  My reputation would depend on what I produce, and a 
well-working product gets more positive results and feedback than one that 
is loaded with bugs.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released


Let's not forget that a blind person pays just as much for an iPhone as
a sighted person, and VoiceOver is a supported feature of IOS. I
understand that there will always be bugs, and I've been in plenty of
product release meetings where companies have to make a business
decision on whether to postpone a release, with all of the negativity
that entails, or release on time with some pretty significant bugs and
the customer dissatisfaction that will result. On the other hand, as a
customer who shells out just as much money for their iPhone as the next
guy, and who's using a feature Apple develops, supports and promotes
then I definitely have certain expectations, and I can certainly be
disappointed when Apple or any company doesn't live up to those
expectations, whether I'm blind or sighted.

On 09/17/2014 05:38 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
Amen! There is a huge difference between a few bugs, such as saying 
"screen locked" twice and having the system be so buggy that many people 
are not able to use it effectively. I really respect Neal and Sieghaird 
for pointing out these things. And I am really sick and tired of the folks 
who seem to think that it is okay for us to automatically expect to wait 
for several months before the major bugs are ironed out. Yes, we are a 
small market. But if somebody is going to cheer themselves on and say how 
great they are for accessibility, the bar needs to be a little higher than 
it apparently is for this realse.
Apple is not your garden-variety developer. They are one of the richest 
corporations in the world. And they brag about how cool they are with 
their products for people with disabilities. You can't have it both ways. 
If you are a true leader, you lead by example, and that does not include 
leaving a bunch of bugs that have been reported and not acted on, which 
affect the use of the system in major ways.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 17, 2014, at 2:17 PM, Terje Strømberg  
wrote:


Agree with the below.

Take care

17. sep. 2014 kl. 19:49 skrev Neal Ewers :

If people who are sighted had this many bugs with the new OS, Apple would
not have released it. I am tired of developers thinking that they can
release something to the public and then, if they have time, fix the bugs
that make the device much less stable for people who have a disability. I
know, at one time, Apple was in the forefront of accessibility. I gave 
them
high praise and they deserved it. But, as some of my Mac user friends 
have
said, they seem to have lately been resting on their former reputation 
and
less on getting it right the first time. Obviously, they knew about all 
of

these iOS bugs before release. This is why they have beta testers who are
blind and have low vision. Yet, they decided that was more important to 
get
it to people who see, than to wait until it was just as ready for people 
who

are blind or have limited vision. Shame, shame, shame  on you Apple, I
thought you were a better company than that. Put your development where 
your
mouth is and fix the many problem issues in iOS 8. Otherwise, don't claim 
to

be such a friend of people who are disabled.

Neal

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Of Charles Rivard
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

I'm sure that we can.  All we have to do is to wait until they can get it 
to

us.  I will patiently wait.

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Subject: IOS 8 Released


Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

I wonder if the package was flat?, or did it have any curve to it, and if the 
lettering was fancy.  Tat brings me to a question about the reader:  How well 
does it perform on lettering that is not standard?  As we all probably know, 
some lettering is written to look pretty, rather than plain old text.  Also, 
and this is out of curiosity, will the reader get a good picture and give a 
good result if you try to read a computer monitor?  This could come in handy 
when you get computer errors that JAWS won't read because of the fact that it 
is a Windows error that comes up before JAWS has been initiated.

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  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:39 AM
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  Hi,
  I know i’m not the brightest shining star in the universe, far from it, but i 
have to say that i’m quite disappointed in the app. I tried it on a package of 
food and it didn’t find any text even though i know for a fact that there was 
text on the package. I held it at various heights over the package but no joy 
and even when it said that text was detected and to hold still, when the 
picture was taken after a long while Knfb reader informed me that no text was 
found.
  I must say i’m not at all impressed with this, there are far cheaper apps 
that do the same job. Having said that though, i do hope it’s user stupidity 
rather than an overpriced app that contributes to this bad review. If anyone 
has tips on how to go about to get good results, i’d be happy to know.
  /Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Anthony Vece :


Eileen;


I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.


If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
wrote:


  Hello Jonathan,


  Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, I'm 
going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I will 
purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the KNFB 
Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use 
of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. 
ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the 
StandScan or with some other type of stand. 


  Thanks so much for your first impressions.


  Best,
  Eileen

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  
wrote:


It is now available on the app store to download.


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On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
wrote:


  Jonathan,
  So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  

  Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
holding the phone over the page or item?  

  Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

  Brian M


  From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

  I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
  I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. 
You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information 
about camera positioning and angle.
  And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
speech.
  It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
  Jonathan Mosen
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Re: IOS 8 Released

[Charles Rivard]

There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.

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  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
  Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released


  Hi,
  I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8.
  ..


  I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The phone is very 
slow and apps tend to crash a lot!
  Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a problem 
marking mails and moving them to the trash!
  Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best.
  Regards,
  Nishi.nt from my iPhone

  On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita  wrote:


Hi list,
How well does IOS 8 work on the iPhone 4S 32 gig? Does it provide more 
stability, or work better on newer models?
Thanks,
Anita
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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:23 PM
  Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released


  You can, there is also a very thorough bug summary on Applevis. 
  The one bug I would add that is not presently in that article, is that 
sometimes answering a call with a two-finger double-tap after you've been 
listening to audio will cause audio to resume rather than answer the call. This 
can get pretty messy.

  Jonathan Mosen
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On 18/09/2014, at 4:58 am, John Diakogeorgiou  
wrote:


Since IOS is released can we get info from beta testers?

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Re: Bard Mobile search problem in IOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

This is one of the bugs reported by the testers who compiled a list of bugs 
found at

www.applevis.com


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  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:41 AM
  Subject: Re: Bard Mobile search problem in IOS 8


  Hi David. I duplicated searching in Bard and experienced the same issue. 
However, I did find a workaround that seems to work.it seems that when you 
swipe right on the Bard search page, it is not scrolling the cursor. Therefore, 
what you have to do is do a three finger swipe up to go to page 2 and then find 
the text box with your finger not by swiping but by moving your finger around 
until you find that text box, then do a double tap and it should bring up the 
keyboard. I'm not sure if I'm making sense here, but I think what is happening 
is that even though voiceover is saying text box when you swipe right, it is 
not scrolling the screen, so the cursor is actually not on the text box. So you 
have to move your finger around and maybe even three finger swipe up to the 
next screen to actually be on the text box.hope this helps.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:36 AM, David Cleveland  
wrote:


I am having trouble doing a book search in bard Mobile since upgrading to 
IOS 8.  I tap on Get Books and then Browse BARD.  When I double tap in the text 
field for the book search there is no keyboard activated.  Has anyone else 
noticed this?  I am considering deleting the app and reinstalling it.  Will I 
lose any settings doing this?



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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

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Didn't you just answer your own question before asking it?


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I read the app description which says it is compatible with the iPhone 5and 
5S. I remember they said it would work with the 4S, although the performance 
would be reduced.

Does any one know if this app will work on my 4S?

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

Even though I do not have the reader, I got a pretty good idea of how to use it 
from the podcast you mention.

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  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  Hello Anthony, no. NO demo is available. AppleVis have done a podcast which, 
while I've not heard it, is probably helpful.

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On 19/09/2014, at 5:23 am, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Hey Jon;


Do they let you try it before you buy it?


Thanks
Anthony 


Sent from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:43 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:


  Hi Brian, I don't own any scanning stand. In my view, if one needs to 
resort to another gadget to get a good picture, I may as well go to the office 
and use my scanner. What I'm after is great results with the device I carry 
with me in my pocket, with no additional stuff. And KNFB delivers better than 
anything else I've used.
  In the past, Prizmo was my favourite app for OCR on the iPhone, but KNFB 
is giving me far superior results on the first try and it's really fast.

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On 18/09/2014, at 11:18 pm, BrianMiller  
wrote:


Jonathan,
So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  

Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
holding the phone over the page or item?  

Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

Brian M


From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it 
came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. 
You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information 
about camera positioning and angle.
And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.
It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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know what this reminds me of? - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

I wonder if others have been reading posts about the KNFB reader and are 
thinking the same thing that I am.  I don't have the reader yet, but have had a 
bar code scanner for a few years.  When I first got one for the person I was 
living with, we went through the pantry and scanned all sorts of stuff, even 
though we already knew what they were, like kids playing with a new toy, which 
we were.  People, including myself, have been asking, "Will it scan this?", 
"Will it scan that?"  I am by no means complaining.  Fact is, I find this to be 
fun!

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  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:46 PM
  Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  I'd be curious to know if people can get decent results 

  From digital displays for stationary bikes or elliptical and such.

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Jonathan Mosen
  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:42 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

   

  I took a picture of my computer screen, with flash disabled, and it worked 
pretty well. Not perfect, but pretty well.

  Jonathan Mosen

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On 19/09/2014, at 6:26 am, Hank Smith, and Seeing-eye dog Iona 
 wrote:

 

let us know if you can scan minues on lcd desplays etc



On 9/18/2014 5:23 AM, Anthony Vece wrote:

  Eileen;

   

  I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

   

  If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.



  Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!


  On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi  
wrote:

Hello Jonathan,

 

Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 I 
will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who invest in the 
KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 
terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that 
they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use 
of the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical stabilization. 
ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use of the app was with the 
StandScan or with some other type of stand. 

 

Thanks so much for your first impressions.

 

Best,

Eileen


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G  
wrote:

  It is now available on the app store to download.



Regards, Feliciano

   

   

   

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  On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, "BrianMiller"  
wrote:

Jonathan,

So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?  

 

Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just 
holding the phone over the page or item?  

 

Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!

 

Brian M

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my 
iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.

I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when 
it came to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the 
page of a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The 
feedback one gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. 
You can use the field of view report if you need to for even more information 
about camera positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting 
speech.

It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. 
Certainly it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, 
fast, or accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

What would be the point of reorienting both the phone and the document to be 
scanned?  They would be in the same orientation to one another, wouldn't 
they?


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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Well I actually did not.

On 9/18/14, Les Kriegler  wrote:

Hi Deb,

If you put the phone in landscape, do you also have to put the document 
into

landscape as well?

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 18, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Deb Lewis  wrote:

I know this is what they say and I sure don't want to dispute that.
But personally I had the best success with Jonathan's strategy of
putting the phone in landscape mode. It might be just that I can
position it better in landscape.



On 9/18/14, Les Kriegler  wrote:
I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode
if
possible, both for the document layout and with the phone.

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker  wrote:

Hi,

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying
that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a
portrait
improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels
lost
is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides
to
meaningless background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.


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Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.




On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better
results.
I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille
Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand
photography.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom

wrote:

I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of
the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've
been
thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not
hold
the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but
rather
as if i had it in landscape mode?
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen :

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what
you're
doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the
phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by
putting
a page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or
visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the
page. Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating,
indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For
further
feedback before you take the picture, you might use the field of
view
report, particularly in the early stages.
Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom

wrote:

What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of
gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique
for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all
text's
detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's
stupid.:-)
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell :

I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it
really
is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small
bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a
beige
background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate!
Harry




On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece  wrote:

Eileen;

I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


Sentence from my AT&T iPhone 5s!

On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi
 wrote:


Hello Jonathan,

Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this
time, I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on
which iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this
thread.
For those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased
either an iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be terrific to post on
the
accuracy of the app in comparison to the phone that they
originally
installed the app on. Also, if one can also comment on the use
of
the app with the 6 plus in particular because of the optical
stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if your use
of
the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of stand.

Thanks so much for your first impressions.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G
 wrote:


It is now available on the app store to downloa

Re: Getting results with KNFB reader

[Charles Rivard]

. Admitedly, with the global braille in iOS8 I 
haven't used Mbraille much, but the times I have, it has worked as expected.
   
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  Can someone answer my question? I'm wondering if I were to attempt to 
  acquire either of the 2 NEW Apple iPhones (Apple iPhone 6+ and/or 
  Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e., 
  AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but 
  the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6+, 
  and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather than 
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  I hear through the grapevine that the iPhone 6 could be delayed a 
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  Apple iPhone 6) via a MobileCarrier's Early UpGrade program (i.e.,
  AT&T's Next, VZW's Edge, etc.) tomorrow, Friday, September 19TH, but
  the MobileCarrier is SOLD OUT of both the iPhone 6 and the iPhone 6+,
  and I decide to wait for them to receive another shipment rather than
  pre-oreder it that day due to the fact that I must TurnOver My
  current MobileDvice to them because I'm already on their Early
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Year?
   
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Re: updates

[Charles Rivard]

Whenever it's ready to be released.

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  Subject: updates


  Hi,

  Just curious, when should the first fix roll out to start fixing some of the 
bugs in this version?


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Re: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?

[Charles Rivard]

It's known as C Y A.

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Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?


Sieghard,

Some people have already tried the KNFB reader on 4S and it seems to work
well, just not as fast.  So what if it takes 5 seconds to produce a result
rather than 1 second. I just wonder if the company just didn't want to take
a chance in getting complaints that it wasn't fast enough.  I have to admit
that he did say in his presentation that you should try it on a 4S and see
if you are happy with it.  It sounds like they just didn't want to commit.

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 2:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?

The 4S still has an 8 MP camera just as the 5, 5C, 5S,6 and 6 Plus do. Only
difference is that it has a sensor with slightly smaller pixels and it
doesn't have the true tone flash. Since the pixels seem to primarily be
important when it comes to low light and the true tone flash is mostly
important to cover colours better, I doubt this would make much of a
difference. Yes, I know KNFB isn't officially supporting the 4S and they
justified their late release by saying the camera on the iPhone never was
good enough, but while I love the app I am not sure if I entirely trust
their explanations. Their public relations guy, Jim, said some things which
are simply not correct and I thought almost indicated a certain amount of
ignorance. But it's all good, the app is out and just as Jonathan already
said, it also exceeded my expectations although I never did spring for the
$1,500 to get KNFB Reader on a Nokia years ago.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Brent Harding
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 1:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?

The 4S also doesn't have as good of a camera.

- Original Message -
From: "Ron Pelletier" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 3:25 PM
Subject: RE: knfb reader on Iphone 4s?


If you listen to the people from the company demonstrating it, it isn't
supported.

Ron & Danvers


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Is it true that the reader will not work on a 4s?

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Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps

[Charles Rivard]

Maybe I'm dense.  I'm still not quite clear.  Here goes:  I have an app that 
she would like.  I will be updating her phone soon.  Mine has been updated.  We 
each have our own Apple ID and credit card associated with our own Apple ID.  
We share a family plan.  How can I get the money identifier and the weather 
radio app, which I have already purchased, onto her phone, after it has been 
updated, at no charge to either of us?  Thanks.

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  Subject: Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps


  Hi Charles. Yes. you can do this, just keep in mind that if you become the 
family organiser to make this happen, whoever you share with can make purchases 
using your credit card in Apple's online stores.

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On 20/09/2014, at 1:00 pm, Charles Rivard  wrote:


What is the "C C"?  Whenever possible, I like to be clear by not using odd 
acronyms.  Here's an example of what I'm looking to have answered by someone 
who knows, for sure, rather than speculation:

I share a plan with someone.  We each have our own Apple accounts.  If I 
have an app on my phone, can she also get this app and not have to pay for it 
because I am sharing it with her?  Thanks.

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Subject: RE: Family Sharing Purchased Apps


If you are the person in control of the cc if they make a purchase you will
be notified and can choose not to allow the purchase.  This is my
understanding.




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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps

I'm wondering about Family Sharing with my partner, but I am concerned that
she only uses an easily guessable simple passcode on her iPad. Am I worrying
unnecessarily about what I might be liable for if someone steals her ipad?
Harry




  On 18 Sep 2014, at 23:38, John Diakogeorgiou 

wrote:


  How do they determine that it's a family member? Do they have to be in
  the same city/country?


On 9/18/14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
Hi Deb, I had this problem when I first set up family sharing. But I

found

that once a family sharing member makes a purchase, it seems to come

right.

Jonathan Mosen
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  On 19/09/2014, at 8:31 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:

  My husband and I have enabled the family sharing. I am the Organizer
  and he's the Family Member. He is able to search for apps in the App
  store and if I've purchased them, he can download them. But he's
  supposed to be able to go to the Purchased Apps fsection and see what
  I've downloaded. He used to do this by logging into my account of
  course. When he goes to Purchased apps it tells him that he's using
  the Family Sharing for his purchases. But there's no option to choose
  me as his host for purchases. What are we missing?
  Thanks in advance.

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Re: upgrading from ios7.12 to ios 8 on iPhone 5

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You know that, by saying that, you just jinxed your phone, don't you?  (evil 
grin)  By the way, is Tiny tiny??

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  I have an i-phone 5 and I am not having that many problems yet.  What I am 
having, well, I can deal with them.
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Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps

[Charles Rivard]

If they choose to use their own card, I guess there's no way to show the app 
store that we are both on the same plan??  It would be nice if both cards can 
be associated with the same family plan.  For example, an app will make a nice 
Christmas present for her, but I wouldn't want her to know about it until the 
right time.

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  From: Jonathan Mosen 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 9:56 PM
  Subject: Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps


  Hi Charles. Yes. you can do this, just keep in mind that if you become the 
family organiser to make this happen, whoever you share with can make purchases 
using your credit card in Apple's online stores.

  Jonathan Mosen
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On 20/09/2014, at 1:00 pm, Charles Rivard  wrote:


What is the "C C"?  Whenever possible, I like to be clear by not using odd 
acronyms.  Here's an example of what I'm looking to have answered by someone 
who knows, for sure, rather than speculation:

I share a plan with someone.  We each have our own Apple accounts.  If I 
have an app on my phone, can she also get this app and not have to pay for it 
because I am sharing it with her?  Thanks.

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- Original Message - From: "Jim Ruby" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: Family Sharing Purchased Apps


If you are the person in control of the cc if they make a purchase you will
be notified and can choose not to allow the purchase.  This is my
understanding.




-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Harry Bell
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:07 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Family Sharing Purchased Apps

I'm wondering about Family Sharing with my partner, but I am concerned that
she only uses an easily guessable simple passcode on her iPad. Am I worrying
unnecessarily about what I might be liable for if someone steals her ipad?
Harry




  On 18 Sep 2014, at 23:38, John Diakogeorgiou 

wrote:


  How do they determine that it's a family member? Do they have to be in
  the same city/country?


On 9/18/14, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
Hi Deb, I had this problem when I first set up family sharing. But I

found

that once a family sharing member makes a purchase, it seems to come

right.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


  On 19/09/2014, at 8:31 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:

  My husband and I have enabled the family sharing. I am the Organizer
  and he's the Family Member. He is able to search for apps in the App
  store and if I've purchased them, he can download them. But he's
  supposed to be able to go to the Purchased Apps fsection and see what
  I've downloaded. He used to do this by logging into my account of
  course. When he goes to Purchased apps it tells him that he's using
  the Family Sharing for his purchases. But there's no option to choose
  me as his host for purchases. What are we missing?
  Thanks in advance.

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

Good point.  No problemo!  Darnit!  If only I had a hundred bucks, I'd 
immediately spend it in the app store, and I'll bet you know what for??  Heh 
heh heh.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
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  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 12:35 AM
  Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  Hi Charles,

   

  Yes, you can find answers to many questions asked here by searching Google or 
the archives. However, in this case if Conni went with the official statements 
she would find out that KNFB Reader is not supported on the iPhone 4S. However, 
while it may not be supported, it apparently does work just as it works on my 
wife's iPod Touch Fifth Gen which has only a 5 MP camera although if I remember 
correctly it has the same A5 processor than the 4S.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 5:44 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

   

  There sure are a lot of questions about what the KNFB reader will or will not 
work with.  These can be prevented by doing a little Internet browsing, for 
example, to the site of the developers.


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- Original Message - 

From: Connie Mohney 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 7:11 PM

Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Hi Jonathan,

Will the NFB reader work on an iPhone 4

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my iPhone 
5s. I couldn't be more impressed.

I read my son's school report, which it got word perfect even when it came 
to reading tables. It read a glossy pizza menu fairly well. It read the page of 
a book perfectly, and it read a letter I received in the mail. The feedback one 
gets via vibration to line up the picture is incredibly helpful. You can use 
the field of view report if you need to for even more information about camera 
positioning and angle.

And, it's fast. Very fast, between taking a picture and getting speech.

It's early days but this has actually exceeded my expectations. Certainly 
it's possible to use other apps, but I've found nothing this simple, fast, or 
accurate without any additional aids. Outstanding stuff.

Jonathan Mosen

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Re: Verizon contract/upgrade question

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Verizon would know better than we.

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  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:24 AM
  Subject: Verizon contract/upgrade question


  Hello,
  I have an iPhone 4s through Verizon and have not upgraded since my 2 year 
contract period ended a year ago. I am on one of the older individual plans 
from prior to when they changed over to their family plans, and my plan is 
cheaper than what I could get now as an individual. If I buy a subsidized phone 
from them now and agree to a new 2 year contract, will I lose the plan I am 
currently under and have to move to one of the newer ones that would be more 
expensive? What about if I want to take advantage of the trade in promotion 
they are offering now for older iPhones which requires a new 2 year contract.. 
would I lose my current plan price in that case?
  I've never upgraded a smartphone so I don't know what it does to your plan, 
and I wouldn't necessarily trust what Verizon told me if I were to call and ask 
them. (I know someone with AT&T and he has always been able to upgrade by 
buying a new subsidized phone and still keep his unlimited plan, but different 
carriers may very well act differently.)
  Thanks,
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

No.  If your rotor is set to handwriting, handwriting is all you can do, and 
not from an external device.  It is done on the touch screen.  That would be 
like trying to write onto a sheet of paper by using a typewriter across the 
room that had no paper in it.


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Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Has anyone tried it yet, like I said in a previous post, can you type a
letter on an external keyboard in that mode braille/hand-writing, and have
it find something.

I haven't got a bt keyboard to play with right now or would test it myself.

RobH, wondering where to borrow one.

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To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 3:06 AM
Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


Perhaps there would need to be a specific 'fraille display' Rotor setting
for this? I think Apple/VO can only go so far with differing hardware
braille drivers, so that this is unlikely any time soon. .

 - Original Message - 
 From: Alex Hall

 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:24 AM
 Subject: Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8


 I know what the OP is saying though, and no you can't. He is asking if he
can now use the display's keyboard to search for and open apps on the home
screen like the on-screen braille or handwriting modes allow. Unless I
missed something, this is still not possible.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:22 PM, alia robinson  wrote:


   you've been able to n braille using a display for ages on the iphone, no
need to turn a router to anything, just input braille.

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Wayne Merritt 
wrote:

 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.


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Re: Bluetooth keyboard

[Charles Rivard]

What kind of message did you expect to get when contacting them, an immediate 
answer that would fix the issue??  Common sense and patience are virtues.

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  Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard


  Given that when I reported it to Apple Accessibility I got the usual thank 
you  for your message, we will pass it along to the appropriate people ... 
  I am not going to hold my  breath for a fix.
  Richard




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Sent from my iPhone

  On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:09 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
wrote:


has anyone heard anything about when the bluetooth keyboard bug will be 
fixed?  Both of my keyboards are by Logitech and my voiceover keyboard 
commands do not work.  What is strange is that my sister has the same 
keyboard that I do and they commands work for her.  She is running an iPad 
2 
and iPhone 4s while I am running the iPad mini and iPhone 5s.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard


Did you verify that your keyboard is functioning, i.e. batteries aren't dead
or something like that?


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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth keyboard

Hello everyone, I have downloaded iOS eight. I really can't complain. My
problem now is my Bluetooth keyboard. It is in Amazon Bluetooth keyboard.I
can't seem to get my phone to see it. That was no problem before. I told the
device to forget it and tried to Pair   again. Now I can't even get it to
recognize it. Voiceovers just keep saying candies iPhone, now
discoverable.any suggestions?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Bluetooth keyboard

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It'll be fixed when it gets fixed, and no sooner.  Think about it.  Who 
would know, at this point in time, when any given bug will be fixed??  It's 
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From: "Robert Doc Wright" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:09 AM
Subject: Re: Bluetooth keyboard


has anyone heard anything about when the bluetooth keyboard bug will be
fixed?  Both of my keyboards are by Logitech and my voiceover keyboard
commands do not work.  What is strange is that my sister has the same
keyboard that I do and they commands work for her.  She is running an iPad 2
and iPhone 4s while I am running the iPad mini and iPhone 5s.
- Original Message - 
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:44 AM
Subject: RE: Bluetooth keyboard


Did you verify that your keyboard is functioning, i.e. batteries aren't dead
or something like that?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Bluetooth keyboard

Hello everyone, I have downloaded iOS eight. I really can't complain. My
problem now is my Bluetooth keyboard. It is in Amazon Bluetooth keyboard.I
can't seem to get my phone to see it. That was no problem before. I told the
device to forget it and tried to Pair   again. Now I can't even get it to
recognize it. Voiceovers just keep saying candies iPhone, now
discoverable.any suggestions?

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

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The bugs would be with the operating system, not the phone.

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Subject: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?


When IOS7 came out i installed it on my then iPhone5. There were bugs which 
I did not notice with the iPhone5s when i got it. Wondering if all these 
IOS8 bugs are happening on the iPhone6 or 6+ as well? I know they are 
happening on the older phones. One would hope it wasnt happening on the 
iphone for which the software was designed originally for. Can someone post 
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Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

[Charles Rivard]

Maybe you're thinking of the balance of the phone?  Sometimes, if it is well 
balanced, it seems lighter.  If all of the weight were at the bottom, it 
might seem to be heavier than it is.


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Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


Sieghard
I think the reason that the 6 feels lighter is the way it holds in the
hand. I find it more comfortable to use. I really wanted the better
battery life of the 6+ but really did not like its size.

On 9/20/14, BrianMiller  wrote:
I go caseless. It's the only way! Especially if you want to keep the 
device

in your pocket - I hate having anything in my pockets, but the iPhone, at
least the 5 and above, is so slender I don't even notice it's there.  With
a
case, though, it seriously annoys.

I've had two iPhones over the course of the past four years, have never
used
a case, even dropped them a few times, and never had any issues as a
result.


Brian Miller



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Of Jonathan Mosen
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Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.



Good on ya Chuck. A man after my own heart. I don't like sullying the
natural beauty that is the iPhone with a case either.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org



On 20/09/2014, at 1:46 pm, Chuck Dean  wrote:



I used my iPhone 3GS for two years without a case, and now use it daily as
an iPod when I work out.
My iPhone 4s I have had for almost 3 years and never used a case with it
either.
Both phones are in almost brand-new condition.
I feel my iPhones are very valuable tools, and as with all tools, I 
respect

and treat them with great care.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.




On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:01 PM, "Charles Rivard"  wrote:

Now, there's an accident just waiting to happen!!

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Yes, but there's the rub. I never use a case.
Chuck

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Re: Verizon contract/upgrade question

[Charles Rivard]

This is why Verizon should be contacted.  Already, I have seen two 
conflicting answers from list members.


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Hello,
Yes, if you upgrade to the ne iPhone, you'll lose your current plan, if it's 
one of the old-style plans they had before switching to the more everything 
plans.


On Sep 20, 2014, at 12:40 PM, John Diakogeorgiou  
wrote:


I don't think you will lose your plan. However, the latest plan they
have is less expensive in our experience. Call 611.

On 9/20/14, Traci Duncan  wrote:

I've been with Verizon for over 10 years.  My guess is you will lose your
current plan.  For one thing, going from the iPhone 4s to any new iPhone,
you are moving from wireless speeds of 3g to 4g LTE.  This will
automatically cause you to lose any old unlimited plan.  At least this is
the way I understand things.

Good luck.  BTW, call Verizon a few different times, different reps give
differing answers.  It is confusing.

Traci

On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:29 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


Verizon would know better than we.

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Subject: Verizon contract/upgrade question

Hello,
I have an iPhone 4s through Verizon and have not upgraded since my 2 
year

contract period ended a year ago. I am on one of the older individual
plans from prior to when they changed over to their family plans, and my
plan is cheaper than what I could get now as an individual. If I buy a
subsidized phone from them now and agree to a new 2 year contract, will 
I

lose the plan I am currently under and have to move to one of the newer
ones that would be more expensive? What about if I want to take 
advantage

of the trade in promotion they are offering now for older iPhones which
requires a new 2 year contract.. would I lose my current plan price in
that case?
I've never upgraded a smartphone so I don't know what it does to your
plan, and I wouldn't necessarily trust what Verizon told me if I were to
call and ask them. (I know someone with AT&T and he has always been able
to upgrade by buying a new subsidized phone and still keep his unlimited
plan, but different carriers may very well act differently.)
Thanks,
Sarah








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Re: Continuous braille reading

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It should work on all apps, because it is a feature of the display, not the 
app.


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Hello, I have a focus blue 40 and I am trying to read a book with the read 
to go app, my question is does the continuous braille reading work with all 
apps? Or just iBooks and The Kindle app. Thank you in advance


Lelia

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Some major, and annoying bags, with iOS eight, and the iPhone 4 ass

[Charles Rivard]

Yes, but they are bugs, not bags.

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Subject: Some major, and annoying bags, with iOS eight, and the iPhone 4 ass


Hello everyone,

I wanted to report some major bags I am having with iOS 8, and the iPhone 4 
ass. I upgraded about two days ago, and it first I really liked it. I find 
the phone to respond a lot faster, and the speech seems to be a lot faster.


However, I have noticed that sometimes voiceover will turn off, and then 
turn back on. It seems to do this a lot, especially when I am trying to 
delete mail. I don't understand why that is happening.
Also, I am having a lot of trouble with the Facebook application. I can't 
seem to use it tomorrow.that was supposed to be, I can't seem to use it too 
well. Voiceover turns off a lot, and then back on. Also the application 
seems to learn a lot. Then I don't think it's the application itself. I 
think it has to do more with voiceover. But that is just my opinion. I did 
update the Facebook application, hoping that would help. But it did not.


But the major problem I have noticed, that I really don't understand, is 
sometimes when I try to make a call. For instance, the other day I was 
calling the pharmacy. I had to place zero, to speak to someone. When I did 
this, the phone begin to beat. It would not stop. Nothing I did work.this 
happened about four times now. The only way to get the problem fixed, is to 
restart the phone.


Has anyone else had any of these problems I have mentioned? Is there 
anything I can do to work with these issues? Or do I just have to wait for a 
new update?
If that's the case, I sure hope they come up with a new update rather soon. 
Nobody wants to have these issues. I'm morning and I am glad I upgraded, but 
on the other hand I wish I would've waited. I wish I would've read more 
about the upgrade. But I rushed to do it, and I wish I hadn't done that now.


Any help, or gotten suggestions would be very much appreciated.


Thank you so very much!

Terri

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Re: Using "Hey, Seri"

[Charles Rivard]

I think the reason you should have the phone plugged in, is because this 
feature is a big battery drainer.


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Subject: Re: Using "Hey, Seri"


I thought I heard on a podcast that one has to have the phone plugged into 
use that feature.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:31 PM, "SSEric"  wrote:

I have only downloaded IOS8 onto my Touch 5 so far. Last night I tried 
using
Seri when the phone was sleeping.. I heard the tones like it heard me or 
it
had finished listening, but I never got a reply. I did not check the 
screen

to see if it showed a response, but it did not speak one

Has anyone tried this on a Touch or 4S. I am wondering if it is just the
older processor.

For those who do not know, you can just say "hey Seri" when the phone is
sleeping, as long as the power cord is attached.

Thanks for pointers.



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Re: The good things in iOS8

[Charles Rivard]

I agree that the good things should also be mentioned.  Has anyone messed 
with "maps" and seen any improvement?  I have, around my neighborhood.  It 
notified me of points of interest and intersections that I was approaching. 
Although it is not consistent, they're on the right track.


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Hi

I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but I 
wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8.


I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and I'm 
so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love having 
Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will make it much 
easier to type in louder environments


I'm not saying we shouldn't give them feedback about the bugs, or that we 
shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of sighted 
people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be wary about 
reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based on the 
voiceover bugs in this release.


Cheers.

Laura

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Re: The good things in iOS8

[Charles Rivard]

Have you dissipated?  (ornery grin).  I sometimes have a tough time with the 
new hardware, too, but it's sure handy and fun to have.


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how does a person use the predict feature?
I'm an old fart and have a  hard time learning these new gadgets! lol

-Original Message- 
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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:05 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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And the predict feature is great!


On 9/20/2014 6:00 PM, Laura wrote:

Hi

I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but 
I wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8.


I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and 
I'm so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love 
having Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will 
make it much easier to type in louder environments


I'm not saying we shouldn't give them feedback about the bugs, or that we 
shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of 
sighted people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be 
wary about reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based 
on the voiceover bugs in this release.


Cheers.

Laura



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built-in braille. Disoriented.

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The subject line says it all.  I'm having a hard time brailling with the 
built-in braille keyboard.  I would think it would be easy for someone who has 
been brailling since 1959, at the age of 5, but I haven't gotten the hang of 
this yet.  Any suggestions are welcome.

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Re: Using "Hey, Seri"

[Charles Rivard]

You have to speak louder than normal to get SIRI's attention, though.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Gail the U. S. Male" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: Using "Hey, Seri"


in IOS8 you don't have to push the home button anymore, if your phone is
plugged in. you just say "hey Siri" and Siri will answer you.
- Original Message - 
From: "Larry Lumpkin" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:47 PM
Subject: RE: Using "Hey, Seri"


I must have missed the first of this thread.  What in the world is "hey
siri"?


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of David Chittenden
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using "Hey, Seri"

According to Apple, yes. I have not yet tested it.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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On 21 Sep 2014, at 15:32, Robin  wrote:

Will this feature ("Hey Siri) work when the Apple iPhone is plugged into a

Mophie JuicePack? I'm just wondering if the Mophie JuicePack can simulate
the affect of being plugged into a charger.


At 06:04 PM 9/20/2014, you wrote:

I think the reason you should have the phone plugged in, is because this

feature is a big battery drainer.


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- Original Message - From: "Les Kriegler"

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: Using "Hey, Seri"


I thought I heard on a podcast that one has to have the phone plugged

into use that feature.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:31 PM, "SSEric"  wrote:

I have only downloaded IOS8 onto my Touch 5 so far. Last night I
tried using Seri when the phone was sleeping.. I heard the tones
like it heard me or it had finished listening, but I never got a
reply. I did not check the screen to see if it showed a response,
but it did not speak one

Has anyone tried this on a Touch or 4S. I am wondering if it is just
the older processor.

For those who do not know, you can just say "hey Seri" when the
phone is sleeping, as long as the power cord is attached.

Thanks for pointers.



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Re: IOS 8 Released

[Charles Rivard]

The comments about Microsoft are absolutely true.  As an XP Pro user, I know 
from experience.  And you suddenly could not use the very well laid out, 
functional, and blind friendly version of Skype, known as GW Connect, from 
GW Micro.  They made everyone aware that the program would not work on a 
Friday afternoon, and by Monday, it would not.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Robin" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released


That was then, and this is now.

Microsoft's WP8.1 works on MobilePhones such as WP8 MobilePhones,
which were released 2 Years ago, and are still scheduled to receive
more updates such as WP8.1 UpDate 1 and so forth. So I suggest you
Stop Trashing other Mobile PlatForms in an effort to stray the
conversation away from its primary purpose, which is Apple's iOS8
doesn't appear to support the MobileDevices it stated it would give
or take a couple of features such as Apple's iOS8 ApplePay.

Fragmentation IS rearing its head IN Apple's Garden. It's NOT
exclusive to Google's Android anymore. Is it? If I'm wrong, someone
(Apple FanBoys), please correct me. I'm NOT against Apple or any
other Mobile Platform. I'm for accessibility IN all Mobile Platforms
(Apple's iOS, Microsoft's Windows (WP), & Google's Android)

At 03:47 PM 9/20/2014, you wrote:
Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support older 
hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good luck 
getting the latest version "of Android working on a four year old Android 
phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new versions of Windows 
working on four year old computers.


The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that device 
power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, such as an 
iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three generations 
ago).


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales  
> wrote:

>
> But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 4s, 
> and

> who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
> So, we should not trust in apple?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf

> Of Joanne Chua
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
>
> Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s to 
> ios8.
> There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by iphone 5c 
> and

> below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
> And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and 
> which

> ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement from
> pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
> People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded to 
> the

> new ios.
> It is expected.
> Apple does say that ios8 can be install on 4s. But if there is no
> slaggishness, then, people won't keep upgrading their phone as the new 
> ios

> come out, will they.
> Apple do that for a reason, they don't just release a new ios out from 
> no

> where, just because they can.
>
> If you want to upgrade, that is your choice. But be prepare for te
> slaggishness. And, if you do upgrade for a 4s to ios8, and
knowing very well
> that there are problems, stop complaining about it either...
>
>> On 20/09/2014, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
>> I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. I've seen posts to this list
>> where people have said their 4S's are running sluggishly with IOS 8
>> and others who claim it's just fine. The bottom line though is that
>> the 4S is supported by IOS 8, so it should run just fine, and if it
>> doesn't then Apple needs to fix it.
>>
>>> On 09/19/2014 09:56 PM, Charles wrote:
>>> There have been a lot of reports that it might not work on the 4S.
>>>
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>>>
>>>- Original Message -
>>>*From:* Nishi 
>>>*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>>*Sent:* Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:45 AM
>>>*Subject:* Re: IOS 8 Released
>>>
>>>Hi,
>>>I have a 32gb Iphone 4s and i have updated to Ios 8.
>>>..
>>>
>>>I must say that i am not happy at all after the update! The phone 
>>> is

>>>very slow and apps tend to crash a lot!
>>>Voice over re starts on its own all the time. Am also having a
>>>problem marking mails and moving them to the trash!
>>>Over all, i am not happy with the update. I wish u all the best.
>>>Regards,
>>>Nishi.nt from my iPhone
>>>
>>>On 18-Sep-2014, at 7:02 pm, Anita >>

Re: Using "Hey, Seri"

[Charles Rivard]

That can happen with voice activated software.  Anyone have one of those 
Moshi clocks?  You've probably experienced the same thing.  That's why I 
don't have one in the house.


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- Original Message - 
From: "SSEric" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:47 PM
Subject: RE: Using "Hey, Seri"


Just now had the dumbest thing happen. Was listening to a book on the Touch
5 with IOS8 using a bluetooth speaker. BARD Mobile was open. All of a
sudden, I hear the Seri tones and then the male voice saying "Here is what I
found about..." and it mentioned a couple of words that had just been read
from the book.

It do get stranger and stranger...



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Using "Hey, Seri"

He said it was plugged in. I find it inconsistent. Sometimes it works
and other times it doesn't. When it works, he gives half his answer
then stops.

On 9/20/14, Les Kriegler  wrote:

I thought I heard on a podcast that one has to have the phone plugged into
use that feature.

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:31 PM, "SSEric"  wrote:

I have only downloaded IOS8 onto my Touch 5 so far. Last night I tried
using
Seri when the phone was sleeping.. I heard the tones like it heard me or
it
had finished listening, but I never got a reply. I did not check the
screen
to see if it showed a response, but it did not speak one

Has anyone tried this on a Touch or 4S. I am wondering if it is just the
older processor.

For those who do not know, you can just say "hey Seri" when the phone is
sleeping, as long as the power cord is attached.

Thanks for pointers.



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Re: built-in braille. Disoriented.

[Charles Rivard]

I heard the podcast, but was confused, because I was trying to work with it as 
I listened.  I'll give this a gander, though.  Thanks.

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  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:10 PM
  Subject: Re: built-in braille. Disoriented.


  Have you looked at the material on AppleVis for this? Here's a text guide, in 
which is a link to the podcast:
  
http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios/introduction-braille-screen-input-ios-8

  On Sep 20, 2014, at 10:04 PM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


The subject line says it all.  I'm having a hard time brailling with the 
built-in braille keyboard.  I would think it would be easy for someone who has 
been brailling since 1959, at the age of 5, but I haven't gotten the hang of 
this yet.  Any suggestions are welcome.

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Re: JAWS & ITunes

[Charles Rivard]

Use the JAWS cursor and left and right arrows to view the text.

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Subject: JAWS & ITunes


Hi,

I have been unable to reset my Ipad mini. Is there a command that will allow
me to read character-by-character in JAWS? I am using JAWS 14. I need to get
the serial number to call Apple for assistance.

Thank you,

Lynda

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Re: Maps in Ios 8

[Charles Rivard]

When it works, it works well.  It's not 100 percent reliable, though, but I 
think it is a project in the works, so give it some time for improvement in 
future firmware updates.  It announces upcoming streets and the direction 
the street runs, and points of interest are also mentioned.  I haven't 
tested it while driving because, for some reason, they discriminate against 
blind people when it comes to issuing driving licenses.  Darn them, anyway!! 
It does work for pedestrians, though.


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Subject: Maps in Ios 8


Hi folks.
So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier versions? 
I never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with turn-by-turn 
instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in earlier versions, 
how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice instructions?

/Krister

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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

Are you getting any error messages?

When I tried it for the first time, it asked me for permission to use the 
camera.  Of course, I said "Yes.", and it has worked flawlessly since then.  
Fact is, I think it works faster than it did with firmware version 7.1.2.

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  Subject: Money Reader in IOS 8


  Hi all,

  Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn’t work since the 
upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.

  I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging to 
say the least.

  Any ideas would be appreciated.

  Thanks,
  Lois

  Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant
  http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us
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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

Money Reader is an app that you have to get from the app store.

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Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8


Hey guys,
Is money reader built in, or is it something i need to download.

On 9/21/2014 1:36 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

Are you getting any error messages?
When I tried it for the first time, it asked me for permission to use
the camera.  Of course, I said "Yes.", and it has worked flawlessly
since then.  Fact is, I think it works faster than it did with firmware
version 7.1.2.

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- Original Message -
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*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:55 AM
*Subject:* Money Reader in IOS 8

Hi all,
Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn’t work since
the upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.
I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very
discouraging to say the least.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
Thanks,
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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

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Make sure that the camera is turned on.

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  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8


  Yes, I did.  After that, it opens, then closes with no message.

  I have downloaded eyenote and will use that for now.  Maybe a future update 
will kick it back into action.

  Thanks,
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  From: Alex Hall 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:36 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

  Have you closed it by removing it from the App Switcher, with camera access 
still off, and then launched it?

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Lois Butterfield  
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Okay, I turned it off.  Now when I launch money reader, it opens and 
immediately closes without saying anything.

I do appreciate your attempts to help.

Thanks,
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From: Alex Hall 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

Try turning off camera access for the app. Next time it launches, it should 
ask for permission; let it. I can't think of anything else to try.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Lois Butterfield  
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  Thanks, but it is on.

  I can’t imagine what happened.

  Lois

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  From: Alex Hall 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:06 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

  It works here too. Try this: 
  1. Open Settings, then go to Privacy, then Camera.
  2. In the list of apps, find Money Reader and see if it is on or off.
  3. If it is off, double tap to turn it on. This will let the app access 
the camera; it sounds like it might not have that permission right now.
  On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Lois Butterfield 
 wrote:


Hi all,

Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn’t work since 
the upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.

I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging 
to say the least.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Lois

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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

It's not perception.  Mine is faster, too.

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  Subject: RE: Money Reader in IOS 8


  Hi Lois,

   

  I think Alex's suggestion to completely delete it nd to reinstall would be my 
recommendation. I would make sure you remove it from the app switcher first, 
then delete and reinstall and see if this fixes the problem. It is working for 
me as well and in fact I have the feeling it's faster/more responsive in iOS 8, 
but that might just be perception.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Alex Hall
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:37 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

   

  Have you closed it by removing it from the App Switcher, with camera access 
still off, and then launched it?

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:





Okay, I turned it off.  Now when I launch money reader, it opens and 
immediately closes without saying anything.

 

I do appreciate your attempts to help.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

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From: Alex Hall 

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:14 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

 

Try turning off camera access for the app. Next time it launches, it should 
ask for permission; let it. I can't think of anything else to try.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:





  Thanks, but it is on.

   

  I can't imagine what happened.

   

  Lois

   

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  From: Alex Hall 

  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:06 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

   

  It works here too. Try this: 

  1. Open Settings, then go to Privacy, then Camera.

  2. In the list of apps, find Money Reader and see if it is on or off.

  3. If it is off, double tap to turn it on. This will let the app access 
the camera; it sounds like it might not have that permission right now.

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Lois Butterfield 
 wrote:





Hi all,

 

Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn't work since 
the upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.

 

I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging 
to say the least.

 

Any ideas would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Lois

 

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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

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I would turn camera access on.

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  From: Alex Hall 
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  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8


  Have you closed it by removing it from the App Switcher, with camera access 
still off, and then launched it?

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


Okay, I turned it off.  Now when I launch money reader, it opens and 
immediately closes without saying anything.

I do appreciate your attempts to help.

Thanks,
Lois

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From: Alex Hall 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

Try turning off camera access for the app. Next time it launches, it should 
ask for permission; let it. I can't think of anything else to try.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


  Thanks, but it is on.

  I can't imagine what happened.

  Lois

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  From: Alex Hall 
  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:06 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

  It works here too. Try this: 
  1. Open Settings, then go to Privacy, then Camera.
  2. In the list of apps, find Money Reader and see if it is on or off.
  3. If it is off, double tap to turn it on. This will let the app access 
the camera; it sounds like it might not have that permission right now.
  On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Lois Butterfield 
 wrote:


Hi all,

Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn't work since 
the upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.

I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging 
to say the least.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Lois

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where the bugs are - Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

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People keep referring to bugs being on this or that phone.  They are not.  They 
are bugs in I O S 8, not in your phone.

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  Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?


  I'm guessing the build number is one higher to account for the changes to 
apps in landscape mode on the 6 Plus. As far as bugs are concerned though, I 
was wrong about the typing feedback issue being fixed. I'm sure most, if not 
all the bugs will be fixed in a future software update.


On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:


Is it the 6 Plus perhaps? I see 12A65 on the iPhone6 we have here, but I 
don't have a Plus to check.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:


  The build on my friends iPhone 6 plus is 12a366. It's not 12a365, like 
every other devices. So something has to be knew about it., I'm just not sure 
what.

  Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:

Built 12A365 is the same as the Goldmaster and the same as the public
release which everybody received.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

I haven't been able to compare the build on the 5s and 6 but the 6 is
12a365.


  On 9/20/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
  Hi Daniel,

  I know Apple sometimes releases an iOS update for a particular phone, 
  but I have not heard that this is the case with iOS 8. What would 
make 
  you say that the iOS 8 version on the 6 Plus is different from that 
  everybody else has?
  Also, the typing feedback thing just as the bluetooth problem and 
some 
  others seems to be more of a problem for some than for others. I have 
  a 5S and don't have the typing feedback issue.

  Regards,
  Sieghard

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  Behalf Of Daniel Miller
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:00 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

  Hello,

  The bug where VoiceOver doesn't respect your typing feedback setting 
  isn't present on the 6 Plus. I had a friend test it for me while i 
was 
  on Skype with him. Charles, the build of iOS 8 that's on the 6 Plus 
is 
  a slightly newer build than is on all previous phones.


    On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Charles Rivard  
wrote:

The bugs would be with the operating system, not the phone.

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To: "iphone group" 
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:50 AM
Subject: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?


When IOS7 came out i installed it on my then iPhone5. There were 
bugs

  which I did not notice with the iPhone5s when i got it. Wondering if 
  all these IOS8 bugs are happening on the iPhone6 or 6+ as well? I 
know 
  they are happening on the older phones. One would hope it wasnt 
  happening on the iphone for which the software was designed 
originally 
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Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

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Turn it on, and I would think the problem would be solved.

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  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:19 PM
  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8


  I had this problem on my i5. Was never prompted for camera access. Camera was 
off under settings, privacy, MoneyReader 

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  On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:


I did uninstall and reinstall.  I had camera off in settings for money 
reader.  When I initially opened it, I got the message about not using it for 
counterfeit and so forth.  I tapped on continue, and I was never asked about 
allowing camera access, it just closed again.  It only opens and closes 
immediately.

I think I’ll just use eyenote for now.  The thought of a total reset is too 
much think about today.  It might look better in the morning.

Thanks everyone for your good ideas.  I’ll let you know if I try a reset, 
and if that resolves the problems.

Lois

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From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Money Reader in IOS 8

Hi Lois,



You have a 5S, correct? If so and you find the phone is sluggish with iOS 8 
you might want to consider doing a full restore. I would do a backup, but first 
set up as a new phone and see how the responsiveness is. You could maybe add 
money reader and see if it works. If everything is working well you could 
restore from your backup. If once again the phone becomes sluggish then maybe 
something got corrupted and it’s time to set  up as a new phone again and then 
to start from scratch putting back apps, resync your media and so on.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:52 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8



I can try that again, though I already did without any different result.



My phone is also very sluggish with touch typing and moving around the 
screen.  I should say that VO is sluggish.



I’m not sure what is happening.



Thanks for ideas.



Lois



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From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:44 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Money Reader in IOS 8



Hi Lois,



I think Alex’s suggestion to completely delete it nd to reinstall would be 
my recommendation. I would make sure you remove it from the app switcher first, 
then delete and reinstall and see if this fixes the problem. It is working for 
me as well and in fact I have the feeling it’s faster/more responsive in iOS 8, 
but that might just be perception.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Alex Hall
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8



Have you closed it by removing it from the App Switcher, with camera access 
still off, and then launched it?

On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:



  Okay, I turned it off.  Now when I launch money reader, it opens and 
immediately closes without saying anything.



  I do appreciate your attempts to help.



  Thanks,

  Lois



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  From: Alex Hall 

  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 2:14 PM

  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

  Subject: Re: Money Reader in IOS 8



  Try turning off camera access for the app. Next time it launches, it 
should ask for permission; let it. I can't think of anything else to try.

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 2:08 PM, Lois Butterfield  
wrote:



Thanks, but it is on.



I can’t imagine what happened.



Lois



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From: Alex Hall 

Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:06 PM

To: vipho

Re: I just took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and here's my observations

[Charles Rivard]

You state:  "I just looked at both the 6 and 6 plus. From the short time I 
was able to examine it, here's what I noticed."



You looked at 2 phones, and, "it", is singular.  Do your observations apply 
to both the 6 and the 6 plus??

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From: "Joseph" 

To: "VI Phones" 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:45 PM
Subject: I just took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus and here's my 
observations



Hello List,
I just looked at both the 6 and 6 plus. From the short time I was able to 
examine it, here's what I noticed.


This phone was on Wi-Fi, not cell service. So I didn't test the phone app.

1. VoiceOver worked extremely smoothly.

2. I didn't have any problems with the home button toggling VO on and off.

3. In notes and Safari, I didn't have any problems navigating using VO.

4. I connected my Apple Bluetooth keyboard and it worked well for the minute 
or so that I had it connected.


5. BTW, I love the 1 hand concept. It's really nifty and quite easy to use.

Now, after saying that, here's my personal conclusion.

I'll purchase a new 6 or 6 plus in the next month or so, without a doubt. 
While I suspect a few OS bumps along the way, it should be much better than 
my 4s.


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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

Be sure to bring your accent.  As far as I know, it's been there since A  C B 
Radio's Main Menu.

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  From: Jonathan Mosen 
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  Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:47 PM
  Subject: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8


  Hi everyone,
  on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll discuss 
some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as well as look at 
the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
  There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
iOS 8 and ask questions.
  If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
available after the event.
  You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference room by 
choosing this link.
  I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
discussion afterwards.
  Jonathan Mosen
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Re: Weather Bug In IOS8

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Is that a weather bug, or is it a Siri bug.

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Subject: Weather Bug In IOS8


There's a bug in the way Siri works with weather.  I have an iPhone 5.  From
the screen locked
window, I press the home button and say "weather for (city-name).  When I do
it I get silence or I get two beeps which come so quickly that I couldn't
possibly have made my request.

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phone size - Re: iPhone6 and 6+

[Charles Rivard]

It's not an iPad.  It's a phone.  Or, at least, they say it is.  Maybe it's 
an iPad with a phone built into it?  Heh heh heh.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone6 and 6+


I believe that The iPhone 6 XL, sorry, I mean the iPhone 6 Plus is the 
smallest iPad Apple has ever made. :)


On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Tess  wrote:

Considering this is coming out just 4 days before my birthday, and I have
the 4S, I am jumping to the 6+ with the 128 size.
Looking forward to it. My 4S has treated me well and it will be sad to see
it go, but time to move up.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Brent Harding
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 9:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPhone6 and 6+

I wonder if this 6+ is going to be a little too big to carry around in a
pocket? I thought I heard that it would have more ram and a faster processor

too, but maybe that rumor didn't pan out. I am thinking of going at least
for a 6 though. Being that the 4S is the only one I ever felt before and
used, a few things seem like an improvement, such as Apple Pay, the wifi
calling if Sprint ends up supporting it, etc.

- Original Message - 
From: "Joanne " 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: iPhone6 and 6+


with $100 extra, you get a bigger screen, bigger battery, and according to
some, you get crispier pictures and better displays. If you don't care for
those things, then, it makes not much different eventually.
Is $100 enough for someone that is totally blind to get an iphone6+ and have

a better battery life? I suppose, that depends on how better is better, and
how often and frequent you use and need to charge the phone.


Joanne Chua
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Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
Send from my iPad


On 10 Sep 2014, at 8:06, "Billy Maynard"  wrote:

hi everyone,

I looked on applevis and saw the blog but, I can't really tell the
substantive differences between 6 and 6+ accept a better camera.  Was thre



anything I missed or overlooked that anyone can think of  about the price
diference?

applepay sounds intresting but, it'd be nice if they could get more
retailers.  like shopping chains like wal-mart, krogers etc.   anyway
we'll see how that develops.

iWatch given the price I'm not sure it's nothing more htan a toy really.
Ithink the phone will do most of the work the watch is just something to
wear on your wrist.   we'll see how that develops too though.  they still
have a while to work onit.
Thanks for any comments about  the phones.  The price difference seems a
lot just for a camera difference is why I ask.

Sincerely,
Billy Maynard
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Re: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?

[Charles Rivard]

You don't delete the upgrade that is waiting for you.  You either use it or you 
don't.  It's your choice.  And no operating system will automatically download 
and install itself.  You must allow it.

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  Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM
  Subject: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?


  HI all,

  I am a new IPhone owner so this question may be simplistic to many of you.  I 
have already had one update to install on my IPhone 5s; it showed up in the 
notification area.  I read somewhere that if you do not do these installs, they 
will install automatically after a certain time period has passed.  Will this 
be the case with IOS8?  Will it show up as an update in my notifications?  If I 
do not want to upgrade to IOS8 quite yet, will I have the option to delete the 
upgrade?  Thanks.

  Regards,
  Sherry Wells

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Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

[Charles Rivard]

Negative!  Negative!  Negative!!  How about giving them time to fix bugs??  7.0 
was buggy when released, but is good with 7.1.2.  So your statement about them 
never fixing things is absolutely false.  It is a flat out lie, only serving 
the purpose of unnecessary Apple bashing.  Get your facts right before 
spreading them around.

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  From: mário navarro 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:26 PM
  Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8


  
  hi all.
  I 'm not surprised with the  bugs in the new ios8.
  I expected this.
  apple in recent times has been to ignore the beta testrs 
  and each time it will be worse ...
  We will never use iphone with responsibility on the part of the apple.
  apple will never take responsibility to solve old problems and new ...
  we wait months and years  and never will solve ...
  cheers.

  Em 16/09/2014 19:26, Grant Hardy escreveu:

Lynn, Cheryl, and list, 


A number of excellent resources are always available on release day to talk 
you through the new features and explain what bugs you should expect to 
encounter, many of which have already been mentioned. One other resource that I 
haven't seen mentioned yet is AppleVis.com. I'm not affiliated with them in any 
way, but I tend to find their information extremely well written. I understand 
that they will be releasing a number of free resources and guides tomorrow to 
outline the major new changes and bugs. I would definitely keep an eye on 
www.applevis.com as well as this list for more information.


Grant 


On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lynn Schneider  wrote:


  Wow, what a shame. I was so excited about iOS eight and even getting a 
new phone, but with what you are saying, it seems I shouldn't do either, at 
least for a while. Thanks so much for the heads up. At least now I won't be in 
such a hurry to update or get the new phone.

  Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

I'm assuming that my new phone will come with iOS8 installed. If so, I 
will hold my other phone and maybe my iPad back until I have worked with it on 
the new phone and I will advise a couple of people I help not to update 
immediately so that either things will improve or I will know how tohelp them 
first. But if I can use the new iOS on my new phone, then I will update my 
other devices even if there are some bugs.


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"This I call to mind,
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  On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rose Combs  wrote:

  I think since I still have a 4S for now and won't get out in the rush 
for
  the new next week that I may for the first time hold off on the 
upgrade.
  Usually I grab it he first day last year it was four days due to
  circumstances beyond my control but sounds like I need to upgrade my 
phone
  first and that probably won't happen for a few more weeks, I am 
eligible
  through Verizon, have been for over a month now but... 

  Then again, who knows, I may go for it anyway but at this moment I am 
of the
  opinion that I need the newer phone first.  Which one, I don't know, 
screen
  size is of no matter to me but camera stability is, since I have to 
use the
  phone to identify a lot now.  


  -Original Message-
  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf
  Of John Diakogeorgiou
  Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

  Are you willing to comment as to whether version 8 is not very usable
  with these bugs or not? I'm one of these who wants to install new
  things asap regardless of the consequences. However, if it is so buggy
  that it's hard to use then I won't. The problems which people
  complained about last year didn't bother me to much if that says
  anything.


On 9/13/14, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
A very positive article, what it unfortunately does not mention is 
that

  iOS

8 at this time (the Goldmaster or release version) has the most 
Voiceover
issues of any release and som

Re: regarding I phone four

[Charles Rivard]

As far as I know, 7.1.2 was the last update to 7.  There is no 7.4.  If you 
are using an iPhone 4, I would not update to iOS8.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 3:03 AM
Subject: regarding I phone four


Hello friends, I am using I phone four and IOS seven.four I want to
ask, If I upgrate my IOS then speed would be down?


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Re: About Manage Passwords option

[Charles Rivard]

Nobody on this list can do that.  Write the developer of what you're trying to 
use, instead.

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 1:46 PM
  Subject: About Manage Passwords option


  For a while, I have been using the manage passwords option in chrome, but 
became concerned at the thought someone could be phising through this option, 
simply because the interface looks so humble and unofficial. Please put a 
Google logo or some certificate this is a legit Google product. The password 
prompt looks suspiciously unasumming and unremarkable to trust. Thanks

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Re: Finding iOS eight

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If you use iTunes on your computer to sync your iPhone, see that "summary" 
is checked.  Tab until the "check for updates" is the one you hit the space 
bar on, and it will show that 8.0 is available.  Do you want it?  Hit the 
enter key on "yes" and follow the prompts and let it do it's thing.  This is 
the safest way to update.


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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:33 PM
Subject: Finding iOS eight




Sent from my iPhone hello all I am trying to update my 5C iPhone to I OS 8 
but when I go to the app store it does not show that availability as an 
update and also when I go into my settings I'm not seeing a software update 
any help would be appreciated thank you


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Re: Maps - Location Off

[Charles Rivard]

Only being a few address is normal for any GPS.  They range from being as far 
off as from 15 to 50 feet.  The average inaccuracy is about 15 to 30 feet.  So, 
what you're experiencing is perfectly normal.  The weather and surroundings can 
affect the accuracy.  You should never rely solely on any GPS for mobility, 
although it is a great tool as an addition to your own mobility skills.  On a 
regular basis, I use Navigon, or the Seeing Eye app, and am starting to use the 
Maps app that is built into the iPhone 5.

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  Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 10:01 AM
  Subject: Maps - Location Off


  Hi all,

  I’m a new IPhone user & have a 5s.  I’ve been playing around with maps an 
noticed my location is always slightly off where I really am.  At home maps has 
me in the address next door for instance.  This isn’t even consistent as once, 
maps had me several addresses down the street.  I have tried a couple of other 
locations too & maps is always slightly off.  Is this normal?  And if one were 
to use maps to get anywhere, would you end up a door or two down from where you 
really wanted to go?  At this point, I would not have any confidence in using 
maps.  Do others use it or does everyone just get one of the better gps apps?  
Thanks.

  Regards,
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Re: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?

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That's weird.  Thanks for the correction.  Now, I know.  I was going by the 
fact that I have always been asked if I want to update, because I exclusively 
do downloads and upgrades using iTunes on the PC, never using WiFi.

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  Subject: RE: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?


  Hi Charles,

   

  You are correct in saying you have to go ahead and install it, but it will in 
fact automatically download as long as your phone has enough space on it and it 
is connected to WiFi and plugged in. A lot of people do plug their phone in 
over night while it is connected to WiFi so if that is the case you will wake 
up with iOS 8 downloaded to your phone. You can of course not install it, but 
it will sit there taking up almost 2 Gb of space.

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

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  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:50 AM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?

   

  You don't delete the upgrade that is waiting for you.  You either use it or 
you don't.  It's your choice.  And no operating system will automatically 
download and install itself.  You must allow it.


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From: Sherry Wells 

To: viphone 

Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 6:47 PM

Subject: IOS 8 - Will It Automatically Install?

 

HI all,

 

I am a new IPhone owner so this question may be simplistic to many of you.  
I have already had one update to install on my IPhone 5s; it showed up in the 
notification area.  I read somewhere that if you do not do these installs, they 
will install automatically after a certain time period has passed.  Will this 
be the case with IOS8?  Will it show up as an update in my notifications?  If I 
do not want to upgrade to IOS8 quite yet, will I have the option to delete the 
upgrade?  Thanks.

 

Regards,

Sherry Wells

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Re: talking goggles

[Charles Rivard]

What makes  you think that it. is no longer available?  Check 
in the App Store.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 2:26 PM, mário navarro  wrote:
> 
> hi.
> Someone can tell me if the app talking goggles is still functional or have 
> died?
> Somebody still uses.
> I can buy?
> thanks.
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Re: crossly

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I haven't even gotten started since downloading and installing.  The screen 
seems to be blank.  Note that I am using an iPhone 5 with iOS8.  Any 
suggestions are appreciated.

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  Subject: crossly


  Hi all,

  I just found out about this app yesterday and I really like it but for some 
questions I have.  Is there a tutorial for using voiceover with it?  How does 
pencilling work and how do I delete letters?  I’m being savagely beaten because 
I’m doing something wrong.  It should be easy but apparently not, for me 
anyway.  Any help would be appreciated.  

  Thanksin advance:

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transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

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When trying to do a full encrypted backup of my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I get a 
message saying that there are purchases on my iPhone that have not been 
transferred to my iTunes library.  I hit the space bar on "yes" when asked if I 
want to transfer these items before backing up, and get the tone that indicates 
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Re: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

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I'm using iTunes 11.4.  I'll check to see if this is the latest.  If it is not, 
I'll give you 1 guess what I'll do, and the first guess does not count.  (grin) 
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  Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library


  Hi Charles,

   

  Have you updated iTunes to the latest version? I used to get this, but not 
any more.

   

   

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Charles Rivard
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:35 PM
  To: visually impaired phone group
  Subject: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

   

  When trying to do a full encrypted backup of my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I get a 
message saying that there are purchases on my iPhone that have not been 
transferred to my iTunes library.  I hit the space bar on "yes" when asked if I 
want to transfer these items before backing up, and get the tone that indicates 
that the process has finished.  I try to back up again and get the same 
message.  Any thoughts?


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Re: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

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On the phone, go into setting, then about, and it should be there as you swipe 
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  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:30 PM
  Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library


  Hi Sieghard,

   

  I just updated itunes tonight. I'm pretty sure it was successful, but I want 
to confirm.

   

  When I go to Help About I get a screen that says About iTunes, but I can't 
get JAWS to read anything.

   

  Any pointers on confirming what version  of iTunes I'm actually running?

   

  Thanks in advance. Keith

   

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  Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

   

  Hi Charles,

   

  Have you updated iTunes to the latest version? I used to get this, but not 
any more.

   

   

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Charles Rivard
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:35 PM
  To: visually impaired phone group
  Subject: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

   

  When trying to do a full encrypted backup of my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I get a 
message saying that there are purchases on my iPhone that have not been 
transferred to my iTunes library.  I hit the space bar on "yes" when asked if I 
want to transfer these items before backing up, and get the tone that indicates 
that the process has finished.  I try to back up again and get the same 
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Re: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

[Charles Rivard]

Been there, done that, and keep getting the same message.

Also, my version of iTunes is the latest.  To make sure that it is OK, I 
removed it from the Pc and rebooted, downloaded it again, rebooted, then 
installed it successfully.  I still get the same message.


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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library


Could it be that you're being asked to backup apps that haven't been
transferred to your iTunes library yet? I get this message myself. This
isn't the same as actually transferring your apps, so you'll keep
getting this message until you go into the File pull down in iTunes and
transfer your apps.

On 09/22/2014 09:09 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

I'm using iTunes 11.4.  I'll check to see if this is the latest.  If it
is not, I'll give you 1 guess what I'll do, and the first guess does not
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*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 9:07 PM
*Subject:* RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

Hi Charles,

Have you updated iTunes to the latest version? I used to get this,
but not any more.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Charles Rivard
*Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 6:35 PM
*To:* visually impaired phone group
*Subject:* transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

When trying to do a full encrypted backup of my iPhone 5 using iOS8,
I get a message saying that there are purchases on my iPhone that
have not been transferred to my iTunes library.  I hit the space bar
on "yes" when asked if I want to transfer these items before backing
up, and get the tone that indicates that the process has finished.
I try to back up again and get the same message.  Any thoughts?


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Re: Updating Apps

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Yes, it is.

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  I have a 4s iPhone and am sticking to IOS7 for the moment.  Is it 
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Re: Hand Writing

[Charles Rivard]

You used the handwriting feature to search for apps??  And, also, I'm not 
sure what you mean by "It's crashing from the home screen."


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It is crashing for me on the home screen. I used to use it a lot for
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how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

[Charles Rivard]

When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I 
see that "home" is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app switcher, 
it shows that "home" is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts from some 
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cleaning house

[Charles Rivard]

I'd like to get rid of unnecessary folders and files on both my PC and iPhone 
by deleting previous libraries and updates.  I'm thinking of syncing, backing 
up once, and deleting everything previously done.  Using iTunes, what is the 
safest way to do this without losing necessary and wanted stuff on both 
computer and iPhone 5, iOS8, iTunes 11.4, using JAWS 15 on a Windows XP Pro 
computer?  Specific steps, in sequence, are what I'm looking for, either on or 
off list.  Thanks in advance.

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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

[Charles Rivard]

It never showed up in the app switcher of iOS7.1.2 or lower, and I thought it 
was something newly added.  It sure is draining my battery.

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  That is your home screen, if you were able to close it, which you are not, 
what would you have? Nothing. It is necessary for the home to run, it is just 
like your desktop of your computer.

  From: Charles Rivard 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:29 PM
  To: visually impaired phone group 
  Subject: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

  When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, 
I see that "home" is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app switcher, 
it shows that "home" is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts from some 
knowledgeable soul, or, the person in which it dwells??

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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

[Charles Rivard]

It showed that "home" had used 38 percent of the battery power.  Other apps 
used from 2 percent to 19 percent.  If it doesn't mean that "home" is using 
that percentage, what else would that figure represent?


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I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
think you can turn this off.

On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home 
screen,

even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
switcher.

Teresa

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On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:

When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
iOS8, I see that "home" is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
app switcher, it shows that "home" is running, but I cannot close it. 
Any

thoughts from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person  in which it
dwells??

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Re: Ios 8.0.1

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Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.

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  Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope that 
will coming soon.

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Re: email bug?

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See if this is another way to delete Emails:

After reading an Email, go back to the inbox with the escape key on a keyboard 
or using the back button.  Focus on the Email, then flick up once.  Double tap 
to delete.

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  Found a workaround, but can someone tell me how to email accessibility, 
please. Thought I remembered, but well, no! (smiles) 


  This is how I go around the email bug. I read the email by flicking up from 
the bottom with 2 fingers. When the email is finished I three-finger flick up 
from the bottom. Now you can delete and it will delete not reply. Must be the 
focus problem. Hope this helps someone. Will email accessibility with this bug, 
however.




  reggie and Allegra

  On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Kerri  wrote:


  Yes, I have encountered this bug.

  Kerri
  kootenaycr...@shaw.ca









  On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Regina Alvarado  
wrote:


Has anyone run into this? When going through mail on my 6 I tap delete. 
Immediately it says reply. I touch cancel on the left then go back to delete 
which when tapped now works. Does this need accessibility as a bug?



reggie and Allegra

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Re: Accessible Pedometer

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Can you give more info about this app?  What are the cost, if any, and the 
functions?  How well does it work with Voice-Over and iOS8?


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I treadmill

Sent from my iPhone


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Hello friends:

Do any of you know of any accessible pedometers for iPhones? I'm
looking to keep track of the number of steps I've walked, as well as
the distance I've walked. Anything else indicated by pedometers you
recommend are an extra bonus!

Thank you,
Ezzie

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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

[Charles Rivard]

It's because they aren't there.  They are in 8.0.

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How do you show the percentage is in the app switcher?  I've never seen them 
in  I OS 7.1.2


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:42 PM, "Charles Rivard"  wrote:

It showed that "home" had used 38 percent of the battery power.  Other 
apps used from 2 percent to 19 percent.  If it doesn't mean that "home" is 
using that percentage, what else would that figure represent?


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Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?


I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
think you can turn this off.


On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home 
screen,

even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
switcher.

Teresa

"We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard  
wrote:


When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
iOS8, I see that "home" is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
app switcher, it shows that "home" is running, but I cannot close it. 
Any

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dwells??

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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

[Charles Rivard]

When looking through the privacy settings, for each app listed, there is a 
choice between "never" and "always".  Yet, some are set to "only while using".  
This choice would be handy for a lot of apps, but the only two choices I see 
are "always" and "never".  Can someone let me know where the third option is?  
Thanks.

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  From: Sieghard Weitzel 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 8:30 PM
  Subject: RE: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?


  Hi Charles,

   

  Yes, Home was always there since iOS 7 was released. 40% is fairly high, I 
just checked mine and over the last 24 hours my home screen used up 11%. You 
might want to check things like screen brightness and system services under 
Privacy, Location Services. Make sure you turn things like cell search and 
automatic time zone off. For a fairly extensive list of battery tricks you 
should listen to the most recent Today in iOS podcast. Also handoff and 
recommended apps will drain battery.

   

   

  Regards,

  Sieghard

   

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Charles Rivard
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:41 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

   

  It never showed up in the app switcher of iOS7.1.2 or lower, and I thought it 
was something newly added.  It sure is draining my battery.


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- Original Message - 

From: MamaPeach 

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:56 PM

Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

 

That is your home screen, if you were able to close it, which you are not, 
what would you have? Nothing. It is necessary for the home to run, it is just 
like your desktop of your computer.

 

From: Charles Rivard 

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:29 PM

To: visually impaired phone group 

Subject: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

 

When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using 
iOS8, I see that "home" is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app 
switcher, it shows that "home" is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts 
from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person in which it dwells??


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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

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All this for one failure?  How dependable has Apple been in the past?  Have 
they fixed problems?  Maybe you can still go back to 7.1.2 using the 
instructions found in previous posts to the list, and then upgrade after 
some of the bugs have been exterminated.  Just a thought.


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From: "Brian Fischler" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:49 PM
Subject: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver


I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for the 
second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while tapping the 
screen at the same time a push notification comes through. VoiceOVer just 
dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to turn VO on 
Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I hearing nothing but 
clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button and the home button to 
restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I hear the photo being taken 
sound. Really impressive job with IOS8 Apple. I'm sorry but this IOS 8 
release with all of its bugs is total crap and a really piss poor job by 
Apple for the blind community. If you haven't upgraded yet don't until 8.1 
and that is if Apple can be bothered to actually make some VO changes in 
that one as it is obvious there engineers are more focused on other areas 
and VoiceOver is at the bottom of the food chain. Time to start at least 
listening to what Droid is doing, never thought I would say that having been 
on the iPhone since the 3GS and completely shifting all my products to 
Apple, but this release and the 35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think 
maybe Apple isn't the answer.


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Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Charles Rivard]

If you know that you're going to get a newer phone soon, I would wait.

Due to the current issues with Bluetooth keyboards and braille displays, I 
would wait for bug fixes in, hopefully, the next release or two.


Based on responsible reports of problems and ways to get around them on 
lists such as this one, and podcasts, make your own judgment.  Note:  The 
key phrase in this is "responsible posts".


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- Original Message - 
From: "Wayne Merritt" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:24 AM
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver


So out of curiosity, what are people's opinions about running iOS 8 on
an iPhone 5? I have the 5 and haven't updated yet, trying to wait
until I get the new iPhone 6 hopefully soon.

Wayne

On 9/24/14, John Diakogeorgiou  wrote:

It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't handle
the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't have
supported it.

On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode  wrote:

First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed VO
is
on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the case
that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap to toggle
the voice on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut, try a
triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in similar
situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and then back
on as well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver bugs
is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility. IMHO,
one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to making their
main stream products accessible is that we get treated the same as the
rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if we lower the bar
with our expectations then we're no better off then when we use those so
called blind ghetto products that so many people are quick to thumb
their noses at. Let's give Apple credit where credit is due, but let's
just not roll over like blind Uncle Tom's being happy with whatever
accessibility Apple thinks we'll be content with.

On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the iPhone.
iOS
is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out. Unlike
blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a year to be
fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months. Let's see what
happens.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as for
the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out while
tapping
the screen at the same time a push notification comes through.
VoiceOVer
just dies and if I press the home button and tell Siri to tell Siri to
turn VO on Siri tells me VO is already on. Ok, really then why am I
hearing nothing but clicks. Then I go to press the power on/off button
and the home button to restart the phone and now that doesn't work as I
hear the photo being taken sound. Really impressive job with IOS8
Apple.
I'm sorry but this IOS 8 release with all of its bugs is total crap and
a
really piss poor job by Apple for the blind community. If you haven't
upgraded yet don't until 8.1 and that is if Apple can be bothered to
actually make some VO changes in that one as it is obvious there
engineers are more focused on other areas and VoiceOver is at the
bottom
of the food chain. Time to start at least listening to what Droid is
doin

g, never thought I would say that having been on the iPhone since the 3GS
and completely shifting all my products to Apple, but this release and
the
35 or so VO bugs is making me start to think maybe Apple isn't the
answer.


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I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and you 
probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for the 
purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of 
the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
and upgrade.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rose Combs" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, 
then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. 
I am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I 
need to upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something 
frivolous is a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is 
something I do not need to do.


I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have back 
for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, plus 
I work, would not be here when it would be delivered.



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Re: Bending iphones?

[Charles Rivard]

You don't want to be an alarmist, but that's exactly what your message makes 
you out to be.  No details given, and forwarding an apparent news blurb.

If this is true, though, to all those who have iPhones and do not see the need 
for a case, now, do you see a potential need??  Better be safe than sorry.  
After all, thin aluminum is not rigid.  A good sturdy case, on the other hand, 
is.  A dollar in prevention is worth not having to replace an expensive phone.

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  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:17 AM
  Subject: Bending iphones?


 Hi,

   

  I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't specify 
6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around 
in their front shirt pockets.

   

  That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.

   

  Keith


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Re: Knfb reader and whole pages?

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Maybe you have to raise the phone higher to give the camera a wider view?

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:23 AM
Subject: Knfb reader and whole pages?


Hi all. I'm getting good scans with Knfb reader... but I can never get the 
whole page to show up. My field of view report always says the top or bottom 
edges are vissible... what should it say? Any advice?



Jenifer Barr
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Re: Bending iphones?

[Charles Rivard]

Ever seen a rubber keyboard?They do exist, so, maybe, this 
could be a thing of the future.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:
> 
> Oh, that would be hilarious! I guess I'd better not laugh to hard because 
> someday it may happen: something in settings that says "choose shape for 
> iPhone"!
> 
> -- 
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> 
> I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
> I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
> thrown in the trash!
> Then God gave me a new heart and life:
> His joy for my despairing tears!
> And now, every day:
> "This I call to mind,
> and therefore I have hope:
> The steadfast love of the Lord
> never ceases;
> his mercies never come to an end;
> they are new every morning;
> great is your faithfulness."
> (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 12:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Teresa, yes, I sure hope Apple makes on I can just roll up and shove into 
>> my pocket. Unfortunately this will probably be the iPhone 59 or something 
>> like that.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Teresa Cochran
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:33 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Bending iphones?
>>  
>> I rememer once using aluminum canes that bowed almost as soon as I touched 
>> them. It's an aluminum characteristic. Maybe someday the iPhone will 
>> actually be flexible in an intentional sense. Until that point, let's be 
>> careful. :)
>>  
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
>> with the brain is often called imagination."--Oliver Sacks
>> 
>> On Sep 24, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Steve  wrote:
>> 
>> Because of the aluminum frame in the iPhone 6, it will bend.  There are lots 
>> of videos on the net and some complaints on social networks like Twitter 
>> about it bending.  It is most vulnerable near the buttons.
>>  
>> Steve
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:48 AM
>> Subject: RE: Bending iphones?
>>  
>> I guess we’ll hear more about it if there is a real issue. My first response 
>> here is that just from being in a shirt pocket the iPhone won’t bend. Give 
>> it a hard enough impact and it will probably bend. I am actually speaking 
>> from my own experience since I bent my 5S this summer. I had it in the back 
>> pocket of a pair of shorts when I took my dog for a walk to the river. I 
>> stepped on a rock which rolled out from under my foot and I was on a fairly 
>> steep downhill slope so I just sort of fell down on my behind on about 
>> fist-size rocks. Since the iPhone was in my back pocket I sat on it and at 
>> first it seemed OK, once I got home I noticed a gap between the touch screen 
>> and the top edge of the stainless steel frame big enough to stick a dime 
>> through. The phone was working fine and a few weeks later when I was in 
>> Vancouver I took it to an Apple Store and since I had bought Apple Care 
>> which covers 2 accidental damages, I was able to have it replaced with a new 
>> phone for a $79 fee, I guess you can call it a deductible since I see Apple 
>> Care as an insurance.
>> My nephew whose parents (my brother and his wife) have a cattle ranch got 
>> knocked against a fence post by an unfriendly cow and he bent his iPhone 5. 
>> It’s a minor bent and his phone has been working like that for over a year.
>> I think one would have to know the “rest of the story” as Paul Harvey used 
>> to say to see why the iPhone 6 Plus in question got bent. For all I know 
>> somebody is just trying to give Apple a bad name (again) with such a story, 
>> but I guess we’ll find out if this is a real issue or a manufactured one.
>>  
>>  
>> Regards,
>> Sieghard
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:17 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Bending iphones?
>>  
>>Hi,
>>  
>> I don’t want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
>> Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn’t 
>> specify 6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying 
>> them around in their front shirt pockets.
>>  
>> That’s all I know. Hope it’s nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.
>>  
>> Keith
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Re: 8.1?

[Charles Rivard]

8.1 is not available.  The one that was accidentally released today was 
pulled shortly after due to incompletion.


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From: "Olivia Norman" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:45 PM
Subject: 8.1?


Where is 8.1?
Just went to settings and was told my software is up to date. My phone 
didn't see any new software.

Thoughts?
Olivia


Sent from my iPhone

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Re: One way Apple could better test its products

[Charles Rivard]

One day??  That would be nowhere near long enough.  How well were you able 
to use the iPhone after 1 day?


I think that a good source of information on testing would be the people who 
take calls on the phone number that especially for those who are 
handicapped.  I'm thinking that they would have a better feel for our 
difficulties in using the devices than any of the other tech reps.


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Subject: One way Apple could better test its products


Perhaps Apple employees should have to spend a day with blindfolds on using 
VoiceOver. I don't mean that sarcastically, but I do remember when Microsoft 
touted Internet Explorer as being able to be operated totally with keyboard 
shortcuts without touching the mouse. I know, it's not the same thing, but I 
think people who want to develop products for people with differing 
abilities should, perhaps, have to walk a while in their shoes. Obviously, 
there are other disabilities as well, so it would mean a lot of pairs of 
shoes, but I bet it would work better for everyone as a result.


Neal

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Re: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two

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Check the archives of the list.  Instructions were given not all that long ago.

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  Subject: How can I downgrade back to seven point 1 point two


  I would really like to downgrade back.
  I'm tired of these bugs.
  Is there any way to do that and how would I go about doing so?
  Thanks
  Jerry Mader

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Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

[Charles Rivard]

Probably on one side or the other of a door.

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  Subject: Re: I say that you should go for it - Re: KNFB Reader, First 
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  where can I find knob?

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  On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:21 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


Everyone else thinks you would be frivolous to upgrade.  The key is, and 
you probably already know it, is that everyone else do not use the phone for 
the purposes that you do.  The KNFB reader will possibly be a major function of 
the phone, and you need the better phone to use what you have bought to it's 
fullest potential.  If I were you, and if I have the money, I would go ahead 
and upgrade.

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Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


I managed to scan an envelope and get enough info to know it was junk mail, 
then Voiceover began to flip on and off and I could not scan anything else. I 
am on a 4S with 32 GB memory and the app switcher was empty.  I know I need to 
upgrade the phone, want to do so but transportation for something frivolous is 
a problem and everyone seems to think upgrading my phone is something I do not 
need to do.

I would need help activating a shipped phone and getting the two I have 
back for trade-in would be difficult thus I have not ordered one to be sent, 
plus I work, would not be here when it would be delivered.


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Re: Bending iphones?

[Charles Rivard]

I've never been in an auto accident, but that won't stop me from wearing a seat 
belt.  Same goes for a motor cycle helmet when 4-wheeling or dirt biking 
through the desert near the Colorado river.  Same for getting my iPhone into a 
case.  Common sense tells me that protection may be needed, and if I don't get 
it, I might wish that I had done so later.  But, then would be too late.  I'm 
not forcing anyone to do what I think is best, but common sense tells me what 
to do.

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  Subject: Re: Bending iphones?


  To each his/her own! I don't try to tell people who want cases that they are 
sissies for not having one or that they are being over-protective, because I 
don't think that; I think they believe they are making what is a wise decision 
for them. Those of us who choose to go caseless, especially those who have gone 
caseless since the 3gs, know the risks and responsibilities and have made what 
we feel is the best decision for us. To discuss the pros and cons is healthy 
and good, but let's not push people to do what we do in this area no matter how 
strongly we feel about it for ourselves.


  -- 
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  I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
  thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  "This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
  they are new every morning;
  great is your faithfulness."
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  On Sep 24, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Charles Rivard  wrote:


You don't want to be an alarmist, but that's exactly what your message 
makes you out to be.  No details given, and forwarding an apparent news blurb.

If this is true, though, to all those who have iPhones and do not see the 
need for a case, now, do you see a potential need??  Better be safe than sorry. 
 After all, thin aluminum is not rigid.  A good sturdy case, on the other hand, 
is.  A dollar in prevention is worth not having to replace an expensive phone.

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  Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 10:17 AM
  Subject: Bending iphones?


 Hi,

  I don't want to be alarmist, but last night a reputable local newscast in 
Minneapolis reported that some customers with new iPhone 6 (they didn't specify 
6 or 6+ or both) have found the new iPhone bending after carrying them around 
in their front shirt pockets.

  That's all I know. Hope it's nothing. Keep your ears to the ground.

  Keith


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Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Charles Rivard]

I think that Apple does care about accessibility.  Otherwise, Voice-Over 
would not exist.  I feel that they should have waited until a lot of the 
bugs were fixed before releasing this firmware update.  It could be that, 
like a lot of corporations, they set and announce a deadline, and then, 
regardless of the quality, the long awaited product is released, and fixed 
later.  I feel that this is not a good business practice.  Then again, 
corporate logic is certainly an oxymoron.


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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver



  Frankly, I don't think the problems with iOS 8 would tempt me to consider 
Android.  As far as Talk Back has come, it's still along way off and Android 
has plenty of other problems that go beyond accessibility.  Good luck if you 
go that route.  You are in for a lot of fun ...


   The reality is iOS 8 has plenty of bugs.  Should it have been released 
to the public? No.  Should more consideration have been taken for 
accessibility? Without a doubt.  People have to answer to this in Apple and 
accessibility needs to hear about it.  We all paid good money for our 
iDevices and Apple has set a pretty big expectation and standard for 
accessibility that this release has tarnished.  If they are looking for the 
"gold standard", this was not a step in that direction for sure.


  However, with that said, as I said on Triple Click Home, anyone who feels 
Apple doesn't care or is abandoning accessibility is sadly mistaken and 
talking out of their posteriors.  That is the farthest mindset inside the 
company, regardless of iOS 8.  I have witnessed a serious commitment to 
accessibility and an effort to make the company inside aware of 
accessibility issues in all areas.


I have my own theories as to what is going on, but those are things I 
am not going to talk about without knowing nor do I like to engage in 
speculation of that kind.  That only leads to more rumors and assumptions. 
I'm sure, though, they hear us loud and clear after this mishap.




Take Care

John D. Panarese
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On Sep 25, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people 
want to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm 
sorry, but why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than 
our sighted counterparts when buying a product and operating system that 
has been marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs 
but the dial pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the 
scrolling issues, these are all major issues that should have never made 
it to a full release. Can I live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. 
Will I still buy Apple, most likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in 
a fully Apple ecosystem, iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has 
never even picked up a Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm 
starting to at least listen to the other side, something I thought I would 
never do.

On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:


My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing
problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce
who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which 
doesn't
have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce 
who's

calling. So go figure! LOL

Ann

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Pelletier" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver


Sharonda,

Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, 
its

making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is
really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of
their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is
complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there 
for

a while

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver


Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete
crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete
crap. That's just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from 

Re: Will my iPhone 6+ eventually replace my iPad?

[Charles Rivard]

I know people on another list who carry both an iPhone and an iPad around.  I 
ask, "Why?"  While I haven't seen an iPhone 6 plus, I would think that is would 
be handier to carry 1 device instead of 2.  I have known of people who not only 
carry an iPhone and an iPad, but they also carry a Bluetooth keyboard because 
they don't like typing on either of the touch screens.  Doesn't this kill the 
portability aspect??

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  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:49 PM
  Subject: Will my iPhone 6+ eventually replace my iPad?


  I am seriously wondering about this. I enjoy using all my Mac devices: my 
macbook Air, my iMac, my two old mac minis - one unable to go further than Lion 
and one a ppc machine that would have been stuck forever in Leopard if I had 
not turned it into a Linux box (you see I hate to get rid of anything until it 
actually comes to a grinding hault! I like my iPad, but now I am wondering 
whether iPads will eventually fade from my life! My iPhone 6+ has as much 
storage space as my iPad, perhaps the sound isn't quite as good as that of the 
iPad but it is plenty lound enough, the little adjustable Anchor multi-angle 
stand that holds my iPad in various positions of landscape and portrait when I 
don't need the keyboard stand fits the iPhone 6+, probably even more safely 
because it isn't so tall and really has no possibility of  tipping over in 
portrait when moved. For a sighted person, I can see that the iPad may still 
have its advantages but for me, I'm not so sure! My iPad is both celular and 
wifi and I'll either keep using it or find it a good home, but I wonder whether 
eventually I will find myself taking the iPhone 6+ out where I used to take my 
iPad. I suppose the iPad could always be ready to jump in as a hotspot when 
needed rather than using the iPhone 6+ so that I don't have to worry about my 
battery going down on the phone. I guess only time will answer this question. 
Perhaps this is a question sighted people are also asking but I would think the 
even larger screen would be more motivating for a sighted person for keeping 
both types of devices than for a blind person. Any thoughts? I know many people 
on this list don't like the size of the larger iPhone 6+, but to me it seems to 
be the perfect compromise between the larger iPad mini and iPad and the smaller 
iPhones of the 4 and 5 series.


  -- 
  Cheryl


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  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  "This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
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  great is your faithfulness."
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Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Charles Rivard]

If you don't have cell service, what number are people calling to contact 
you?


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From: "SoonerAnnie" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:00 PM
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver



My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing
problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce
who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't
have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's
calling. So go figure! LOL

Ann

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Pelletier" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver


Sharonda,

Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, its
making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is
really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of
their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is
complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there for
a while

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete
crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete
crap. That's just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for
example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.


On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
have supported it.


On 9/24/14, Øyvind Lode  wrote:
First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on me.
But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
to toggle the voice on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in
similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and
then back on as well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then
when we use those so called blind ghetto products that so many
people are quick to thumb their noses at. Let's give Apple credit
where credit is due, but let's just not roll over like blind Uncle
Tom's being happy with whatever accessibility Apple thinks we'll be
content with.


On 09/24/2014 12:18 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
When VO goes quiet like that, take your fingers away from the
iPhone. iOS is performing memory management. Give a chance for iOS / VO
to catch up.
Something similar occurred with iOS 7 when it first came out.
Unlike blindness specific poducts which can take six months to a
year to be fixed, Apple's history is to take one-three months.
Let's see what happens.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Sep 2014, at 14:49, Brian Fischler  wrote:

I'm sorry but VoiceOver on my 5S has now complete crap on IOS 8 as
for the second time today VoiceOver has completely crapped out
while tapping the screen at the same time a push notification
comes through. VoiceOVer just dies and if I press the home button
and tell Siri to tell Siri to tur

Re: Mophie JuicePack & Apple iPhone

[Charles Rivard]

Your best source of information on your questions would be, of course, 
Mophie.


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Subject: Mophie JuicePack & Apple iPhone


Will Mophie offer a JuicePack for either the Apple iPhone 6+ and/or
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Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

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Yes.  Please do.  These simple one line messages are extremely annoying. 
They give no pertinent information.  This is especially annoying after Raul 
sent a message dealing with the list guidelines just the other day.


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Subject: Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)


Hi Cheryl, glad to hear you like your 6+, but tell us why.

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.


On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:58 AM, Cheryl Homiak  wrote:

I like my 6+!

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On Sep 25, 2014, at 11:55 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:

It seems like, from what I have read on the web, that most people
think the 6 Plus is too big and the 6 is just right. Many of those
comments were from blind people that checked out both phones or who
just looked at the 6 and thought it was just right. After reading all
that and knowing I had gotten the 6 myself for that reason, I am glad
I ordered the 6 and didn't pay the extra $100 for a larger phone with
more space than I needed. Then again, there are those blind people
that got the 6 Plus and are happy with their purchase. Guess I will
find out in about a week or so when I get the new phone.

Wayne


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When I went to look at the iPhone 6 I remarked of the salesman that I 
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actually prefer a smaller phone, over a bigger phone. Because I listen 
to
everything on the screen I don't need to see it, so a smaller phone 
would be

more convenient. He looked at me like I was nuts.

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Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]

[Charles Rivard]

As a customer, which would you prefer:

1.  A product delivered on time, regardless of the quality.

2.  A product delayed due to problems in the programming.

3.  Number 2, with an explanation of why there is a delay.

I, personally, would prefer option 3.

If I had a business, I would give customers option 3.  My reputation would 
be that I produce reliable, good quality software.  Loyal customers would 
spread my reputation, bringing in more customers based on that reputation.


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Subject: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


Obviously customer satisfaction suffers when a program is released with
a lot of bugs, but customer satisfaction also suffers when a program is
promised on a certain date and then isn't released. Look at the
criticism we saw on this list when KNFB Reader pushed out it's release
by a few weeks?

Apple also has a lot riding on their September releases. It's a big
event with a lot of hype and press coverage. It also coincides with new
iPhones, which generates new revenue for Apple. This revenue would be
postponed if they had to push out the release of IOS 8, which is what's
needed on the new iPhones. Imagine the criticism you'd hear lofted
Apple's way if they postponed there big annual announcement?

When a company releases a new update to a product, they have to weigh a
lot of different factors, and ultimately a business decision is made
based on all of the available facts.

On 09/24/2014 11:41 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:

This is not a complaint, just an observation.

I know lots of companies that tie the release of their next version to a
particular time of year, and if it's not ready, well it just may go out
anyway. I'm guessing that there are a lot of mid level workers at apple
who likely knew this was not ready for prime time but the choice may
have been made for them by the higher ups. Those mid-level workers may
be just as frustrated as we are. After all, many of them use iOS 8 also.
I just hope the managers who set the time for this release didn't let so
many bugs in the house that it will be a very long process to kill them 
all.


Neal

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Ron Pelletier
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Neal,

I think that Apple is trying so hard to satisfy the people who are
impatient that they are cranking out the updates too fast and don't have
time to properly check them.  Having seen what has happened last year
and this year also, I still think that they feel that timing to put out
the new product is more important than coming out with the right thing
from the get go.  They set themselves a deadline and go crazy trying to
stick to it and the result is what we get.

I guess they have evaluated that their reputation can stand the problems
and they seem to be right. No matter how many bugs there are, people
seem to forgive Apple for putting out a product before it is ready.
When people camp out on the sidewalk for two days to be the first to get
the new product, I guess you don't have to worry about several dozen bugs.

Ron & Danvers

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Neal Ewers
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 2:28 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: iOS 8.0.1 is out

Hi, I applaud Apple's quick update release. What is bothersome is that
they put out an update not knowing about the issue that caused them to
pull it. I bring this up only to ask a question. For those who are on
the beta team, do you get to see these updates first, or is the testing
of these done in house. This also raises the question of updates
released that may, in fact, break things that already work. I guess we
will have to wait and see, but I am curious about who tests the updates
they release.

Neal

*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Alex Hall
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 24, 2014 1:21 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

FYI, Apple has just pulled the update. You can no longer get it; I
imagine it will be re-released soon with a fix for the problems on the
iPhone6.

On Sep 24, 2014, at 2:14 PM, Trea Abma mailto:trea.a...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I updated and didn't have this problems. I called voicemail and was able
to delete messages without the dial tone bug, so maybe this is solved.

*From:*Rich Ring 

*Sent:*Wednesday, September 24, 2014 8:00 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Cc:*Rich Ring 

Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

[Charles Rivard]

I'm more interested in the 6 plus than the 6 based on the battery life, but 
the size might be a problem.  I won't know until I see one and try to put it 
into my pocket.  I think that, even a better idea, will be to see the size 
of a case and try to put that into my pocket, because I flat out refuse to 
get an iPhone without a case.  I believe in protecting my expensive 
electronic equipment.


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Subject: Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)


It seems like, from what I have read on the web, that most people
think the 6 Plus is too big and the 6 is just right. Many of those
comments were from blind people that checked out both phones or who
just looked at the 6 and thought it was just right. After reading all
that and knowing I had gotten the 6 myself for that reason, I am glad
I ordered the 6 and didn't pay the extra $100 for a larger phone with
more space than I needed. Then again, there are those blind people
that got the 6 Plus and are happy with their purchase. Guess I will
find out in about a week or so when I get the new phone.

Wayne

On 9/25/14, Chuck Dean  wrote:
When I went to look at the iPhone 6 I remarked of the salesman that I 
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actually prefer a smaller phone, over a bigger phone. Because I listen to
everything on the screen I don't need to see it, so a smaller phone would 
be

more convenient. He looked at me like I was nuts.

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Re: The U2 subject, again

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Check the archives, as this has been covered extremely extensively.

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I am sorry but I find this so very strange.  Yesterday I wanted a friend
to hear an album I had  downloaded from Itunes about 3 weeks ago.
I had purchased a couple songs too last month from there.  Well, not
only were those songs on my ipad and the album I bought, but also some
U2 songs.  Whether it was a whole album I don't know but i sure as heck
didn't buy them. Where they came from I just don't know.
I hope they will be taken off my ipad, and what is also strange about
this is I haven't updated.
So what gives here? I suppose I should call Apple, but I hate dealing
with people on the phone, grin.
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Re: IOS8, The Posatives

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Just today, by accident, I discovered that you can very quickly raise the 
volume of the phone by holding down the up volume button rather than having to 
tap it numerous times.  This, as far as I know, wasn't available in 7.1.2 when 
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  Just a quick message really, there has been a lot of talk about IOS8 and the 
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  I just wanted to post a message to the list to see if anyone comes back with 
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are a positive?

  Has anyone found any difference with the battery usage for example?

   

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phone size - Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)

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Sounds like they're more like panels than bricks.  I'm not commenting on 
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Subject: Re: Why I'm returning my iPhone 6 (well, maybe)


  That is really my feeling too. I bought the 6 and it is a bit bigger than 
the 5S. The 6 Plus is just simply far too big for my liking.  I don't 
understand exactly why the grand is now moving towards bigger phones.  How 
do you carry the things?  Even if they are lighter, they still are bricks.



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Re: Family Sharing

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This seems confusing to me.  If the cost was deducted from her card, and if you 
buy something and it will get charged to yours, I see no benefit.

I was thinking that if I buy, or already have, an app, the other person can get 
it at no charge.

And if what I buy is a Christmas present for her, I sure don't want her to know 
about it when I buy.

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  Hi all

  The new Family Sharing service introduced in iOS 8 is just fantastic. I have 
set up Family Sharing for myself (organizer) and added my manager (Hannah Day) 
to the family. Well Apple don't need to know we are not related smile. We put 
it to the test yesterday when Hannah purchased a song in the iTunes Store. Not 
only did it come out of her own credit instead of my credit card on file with 
Apple (required to set up Family Sharing); we also received an email receipt 
with proof of purchase.

  Try it for yourself by going to Settings > iCloud and look for Family 
Sharing. you can only do this on an iOS 8 device or a Mac/PC running the latest 
iTunes.


  Sent from my Macbook Pro 



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Re: Not seeing messages I sent to the list

[Charles Rivard]

That did not answer the question, though.  The question dealt with 
receiving, not sending.


I do not receive messages I send to lists, either.  Maybe you and I have the 
same problem.  My Email account is a G mail account, provided through my 
Internet Service provider.  There is a setting in a G mail account that can 
be changed to allow you to receive messages sent to an Email list.  However, 
seeing as the account was provided to me by my ISP, I don't know the user 
name and or password.  Unfortunately, as a security measure, one of those 
darned capshas must be dealt with.  I use Internet Explorer, not Firefox, 
for political reasons, so cannot get past it.  So, I just live with not 
getting my sent message back into my inbox.


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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:32 AM
Subject: Not seeing messages I sent to the list


This message is on the viphone message board so you appear to be able to 
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Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

[Charles Rivard]

What a lot of people are objecting to is not your complaints about iOS8.  I, 
for one, don't know any Apple employees or employers.  But your blanket 
statement that iOS8 being total crap is both offensive and absolutely 
untrue.


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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver



I am the one who posted this topic, and I find it funny how many people want 
to defend Apple as if I have offended a relative of theirs. I'm sorry, but 
why do people expect the blind to have lesser expectations than our sighted 
counterparts when buying a product and operating system that has been 
marketed as fully accessible? I get there are going to be bugs but the dial 
pad bug, VO constantly crashing on a 5S, yes 5S, the scrolling issues, these 
are all major issues that should have never made it to a full release. Can I 
live with them, yes, but should I have to, no. Will I still buy Apple, most 
likely yes, as I have invested so heavily in a fully Apple ecosystem, 
iPhone, iMac, and Mac Air, but as someone who has never even picked up a 
Droid, or used Jaws as my vision went in 2009, I'm starting to at least 
listen to the other side, something I thought I would never do.

On Sep 25, 2014, at 1:00 PM, SoonerAnnie  wrote:


My 4S is doing better than my 5S. Fortunately I'm not having any crashing
problems for the most part, but the caller ID on my 5S doesn't announce
who's calling anymore! Major disappointment! However, my 4S, which doesn't
have cell service but began ringing after this update, does announce who's
calling. So go figure! LOL

Ann

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Pelletier" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 11:47 PM
Subject: RE: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with
VoiceOver


Sharonda,

Maybe Apple is not complete crap but, in view of what they pulled today, 
its

making people wonder if the extra money they pay for an Apple product is
really worth it.  They seem to have completely abused the confidence of
their customers by letting down their quality control which, in fact, is
complete crap.  As far as I am concerned, the subjet line can stay there 
for

a while

Ron & Danvers


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sharonda Greenlaw
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2014 9:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: why I don't like iOS 8: was Re: IOS is complete crap with 
VoiceOver


Personally, I believe the subject  should be changed. iOS is not complete
crap. It may not have all of the bugs worked out, but it is not complete
crap. That's just one person's opin ion.

Sharonda
Sent from my mobile device; please excuse all mistakes


On Sep 24, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
wrote:

I don't think it's exclusive to people running IOS 8 on the 4S. Brian for
example, who started this thread, said he's running IOS 8 on his 5s.


On 09/24/2014 09:09 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
It seems to me that the people who are having crashing problems with
IOS 8 are those with 4s's. It's very possible that the 4s can't
handle the requirements of IOS with other apps and Apple shouldn't
have supported it.


On 9/24/14, Ųyvind Lode  wrote:
First of all I must say that I don't regret upgrading my 4s to iOS 8.
However, VoiceOver crashes all the time on my 4s.
I have not found a pattern to all the crashes.
The good thing is that VO at least restarts when it decide to die on 
me.

But it crashes at least 10-15 times a day and I know when it crashed
VO is on, screen curtain on etc is announced.
I have done a reset - reset to factory settings but still the same.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: 24. september 2014 13:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS is complete crap with VoiceOver

Doing as David suggests is probably best, but it might also be the
case that your voice was turned off. Try a three finger double tap
to toggle the voice on and off.

Also, if you have the home button set as your VoiceOver short cut,
try a triple tap of the home button. Recycling VoiceOver helps me in
similar situations. Maybe you can use Siri to turn VoiceOver off and
then back on as well.

I've seen a couple of posts now to where IOS 8 with it's VoiceOver
bugs is compared to blindness specific products or older smart phone
technologies, like Windows Mobile running Mobile Accessibility.
IMHO, one of the great things about Apple and their commitment to
making their main stream products accessible is that we get treated
the same as the rest of their main stream customers. I fear that if
we lower the bar with our expectations then we're no better off then
when we use those so called b

Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]

[Charles Rivard]

The customer should be their focus, because that's their source of income. 
As a customer, I'd rather wait until the product is made right.  I can wait 
for a few months to get a new iPhone.  It'll come out when it works 
properly.  There's no harm in using what is stable and usable for a while 
longer.  I still think that I, as a business, would be better off by getting 
a reputation of producing quality, even though it may take a bit longer, 
rather than producing fast and shoddy.  If they have to make something by 
their deadline, and that something is very buggy, then maybe they should 
move their deadline back next year, get it right, and then put it on the 
market so that it works fairly well the first time it is sold.  I'll take 
quality over speed every single time.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher J Chaltain" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


That may be what you prefer, but Apple and other large companies have to
worry about multiple things.

KNFB announced that they would be delaying the release of their iPhone
app a few weeks, and they gave a reason. They were criticized for doing
this and questions were raised as to the viability of a company that
couldn't meet their announced delivery dates. You may have been OK with
Apple postponing the release of IOS 8 and the availability of the new
iPhone 6's but others would have been unhappy, competitors would have
made hay with Apple's inability to meet their dates and people would
have questioned what's going on at Apple.

Sure, customers are unhappy when they get a buggy product, but they're
also unhappy when they have to wait for a product or don't get it when
it was promised to them. How many people have been holding off on
upgrading their iPhone waiting for the iPhone 6's to be released. Would
these people have been happy if they had to keep waiting and using their
old smart phones?

Don't forget that Apple also depends on the iPHone 6 for revenue. People
are holding off on buying new iPhones waiting for the iPhone 6's to come
out. How many iPhone 6's did Apple sell last weekend? Postponing the
availability of the iPhone 6 would hit Apple right in the pocket book.

Apple is also at the center of a whole ecosystem. Cell phone providers,
accessory manufacturers, resellers and others all have agreements with
Apple and are dependent on Apple meeting their commitments. If Apple was
constantly missing their commitments then their partners would start to
lose faith and confidence in Apple.

Apple also has other options besides just slipping their dates or
releasing products with too many bugs. They could drop some features and
put more resources into testing or fixing bugs. Apple is a very wealthy
company. They could probably throw more resources at IOS without
removing functionality from IOS.

When I went through CMMI training, I was asked, quality, schedule or
cost, pick one. I never met an executive that didn't say they're all
important, but I've also never seen a large company choose anything
other than schedule. I've seen companies throw money at products to keep
them on schedule, and I've seen companies ship products with too many
bugs just to keep them on schedule. I've also seen the pendulum swing
the other way, and once a company is beat up too much in the market
place over quality then you'll see a focus from them on quality the next
time around or two. They focus on quality by reducing the feature set a
bit, focusing on testing and bug fixing and letting their customers know
quality if priority #1. They still meet their dates though.

You may not believe it, but Apple has some pretty smart people making
decisions on whether to release a product on time or not with the given
set of bugs. I can assure you that they've considered your three
options, and there's a reason they stick to their committed schedule

On 9/25/2014 6:01 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

As a customer, which would you prefer:

1.  A product delivered on time, regardless of the quality.

2.  A product delayed due to problems in the programming.

3.  Number 2, with an explanation of why there is a delay.

I, personally, would prefer option 3.

If I had a business, I would give customers option 3.  My reputation would 
be that I produce reliable, good quality software.  Loyal customers would 
spread my reputation, bringing in more customers based on that reputation.


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- Original Message - From: "Christopher Chaltain" 


To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: Release schedules [was "Re:

Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]

[Charles Rivard]

Does it hurt to discuss issues and voice our opinions?  If you don't like 
it, all you have to do is to hit the delete key on the subject line being 
used, and your problem will be solved.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Cristóbal" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:00 PM
Subject: RE: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


Good God, let it go folks. We're already on to version 8.0.2

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]

Everyone have a choice. If you, as a customer, are not happy with what they,
Apple, are offering, you, as a customer can always get to the Samsung/Google
wagon. They, as Apple, didn't put a gun on your head and force you to get
the newest and latest. They, might put the software on your phone, but you,
as a customer can ignore it.


On 26/09/2014, Charles Rivard  wrote:

The customer should be their focus, because that's their source of income.
As a customer, I'd rather wait until the product is made right.  I can
wait

for a few months to get a new iPhone.  It'll come out when it works
properly.  There's no harm in using what is stable and usable for a
while longer.  I still think that I, as a business, would be better
off by getting

a reputation of producing quality, even though it may take a bit
longer, rather than producing fast and shoddy.  If they have to make
something by their deadline, and that something is very buggy, then
maybe they should move their deadline back next year, get it right,
and then put it on the market so that it works fairly well the first
time it is sold.  I'll take quality over speed every single time.

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finished,

you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher J Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


That may be what you prefer, but Apple and other large companies have
to worry about multiple things.

KNFB announced that they would be delaying the release of their iPhone
app a few weeks, and they gave a reason. They were criticized for
doing this and questions were raised as to the viability of a company
that couldn't meet their announced delivery dates. You may have been
OK with Apple postponing the release of IOS 8 and the availability of
the new iPhone 6's but others would have been unhappy, competitors
would have made hay with Apple's inability to meet their dates and
people would have questioned what's going on at Apple.

Sure, customers are unhappy when they get a buggy product, but they're
also unhappy when they have to wait for a product or don't get it when
it was promised to them. How many people have been holding off on
upgrading their iPhone waiting for the iPhone 6's to be released.
Would these people have been happy if they had to keep waiting and
using their old smart phones?

Don't forget that Apple also depends on the iPHone 6 for revenue.
People are holding off on buying new iPhones waiting for the iPhone
6's to come out. How many iPhone 6's did Apple sell last weekend?
Postponing the availability of the iPhone 6 would hit Apple right in the

pocket book.


Apple is also at the center of a whole ecosystem. Cell phone
providers, accessory manufacturers, resellers and others all have
agreements with Apple and are dependent on Apple meeting their
commitments. If Apple was constantly missing their commitments then
their partners would start to lose faith and confidence in Apple.

Apple also has other options besides just slipping their dates or
releasing products with too many bugs. They could drop some features
and put more resources into testing or fixing bugs. Apple is a very
wealthy company. They could probably throw more resources at IOS
without removing functionality from IOS.

When I went through CMMI training, I was asked, quality, schedule or
cost, pick one. I never met an executive that didn't say they're all
important, but I've also never seen a large company choose anything
other than schedule. I've seen companies throw money at products to
keep them on schedule, and I've seen companies ship products with too
many bugs just to keep them on schedule. I've also seen the pendulum
swing the other way, and once a company is beat up too much in the
market place over quality then you'll see a focus from them on quality
the next time around or two. They focus on quality by reducing the
feature set a bit, focusing on testing and bug 

Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]

[Charles Rivard]

If the phone was given to you as an employee of a business, and they decide 
to upgrade, your phone will be upgraded.  Also, most companies, if they are 
smart, won't immediately jump to the latest and greatest.  The system must 
be working before businesses go to it.


Also, and this is a personal opinion, I would not jump to a Samsung phone 
based on one mistake by Apple, because, based on previous experience, they 
have corrected the problems in their operating systems.


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- Original Message - 
From: "Joanne Chua" 

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:56 PM
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


Everyone have a choice. If you, as a customer, are not happy with what
they, Apple, are offering, you, as a customer can always get to the
Samsung/Google wagon. They, as Apple, didn't put a gun on your head
and force you to get the newest and latest. They, might put the
software on your phone, but you, as a customer can ignore it.


On 26/09/2014, Charles Rivard  wrote:

The customer should be their focus, because that's their source of income.
As a customer, I'd rather wait until the product is made right.  I can 
wait


for a few months to get a new iPhone.  It'll come out when it works
properly.  There's no harm in using what is stable and usable for a while
longer.  I still think that I, as a business, would be better off by 
getting


a reputation of producing quality, even though it may take a bit longer,
rather than producing fast and shoddy.  If they have to make something by
their deadline, and that something is very buggy, then maybe they should
move their deadline back next year, get it right, and then put it on the
market so that it works fairly well the first time it is sold.  I'll take
quality over speed every single time.

---
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finished,


you! really! are! finished!
- Original Message -
From: "Christopher J Chaltain" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was "Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out"]


That may be what you prefer, but Apple and other large companies have to
worry about multiple things.

KNFB announced that they would be delaying the release of their iPhone
app a few weeks, and they gave a reason. They were criticized for doing
this and questions were raised as to the viability of a company that
couldn't meet their announced delivery dates. You may have been OK with
Apple postponing the release of IOS 8 and the availability of the new
iPhone 6's but others would have been unhappy, competitors would have
made hay with Apple's inability to meet their dates and people would
have questioned what's going on at Apple.

Sure, customers are unhappy when they get a buggy product, but they're
also unhappy when they have to wait for a product or don't get it when
it was promised to them. How many people have been holding off on
upgrading their iPhone waiting for the iPhone 6's to be released. Would
these people have been happy if they had to keep waiting and using their
old smart phones?

Don't forget that Apple also depends on the iPHone 6 for revenue. People
are holding off on buying new iPhones waiting for the iPhone 6's to come
out. How many iPhone 6's did Apple sell last weekend? Postponing the
availability of the iPhone 6 would hit Apple right in the pocket book.

Apple is also at the center of a whole ecosystem. Cell phone providers,
accessory manufacturers, resellers and others all have agreements with
Apple and are dependent on Apple meeting their commitments. If Apple was
constantly missing their commitments then their partners would start to
lose faith and confidence in Apple.

Apple also has other options besides just slipping their dates or
releasing products with too many bugs. They could drop some features and
put more resources into testing or fixing bugs. Apple is a very wealthy
company. They could probably throw more resources at IOS without
removing functionality from IOS.

When I went through CMMI training, I was asked, quality, schedule or
cost, pick one. I never met an executive that didn't say they're all
important, but I've also never seen a large company choose anything
other than schedule. I've seen companies throw money at products to keep
them on schedule, and I've seen companies ship products with too many
bugs just to keep them on schedule. I've also seen the pendulum swing
the other way, and once a company is beat up too much in the market
place over quality then you'll see a focus from them on quality the next
time around or two. They focus on quality by reducing the feature set a
bit, focusing on testing and bug fixing and letting their customers

Re: KNFB reader and the mofi juice pack

[Charles Rivard]

Getting back on topic of the subject line, someone asked if the app would work 
with this case.  I'm wondering why it would not.  After all, the case does not 
affect apps any more than any other battery would, right?

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Kerri 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:05 AM
  Subject: Re: KNFB reader and the mofi juice pack


  my issue is that I can't get the whole page to scan but then I'm not good at 
it yet.


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word may level stress. But a loving word may heal and bless.






  On Sep 25, 2014, at 7:25 PM, Julian  wrote:


Hi Larry, 


I'm using it on an iPhone 5s in a Mophie juice pack and it works just fine. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 25, 2014, at 6:25 PM, "Larry Lumpkin"  wrote:


  Any problems using the reader on the phone in a mofi juice pack?  Thanks.


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Re: turning Off The IPhone With SIRI

[Charles Rivard]

Why would you even want that feature when all you have to do is to press and 
hold the power button, and then double tap once?  Siri does not d everything, 
nor should it.  It will not, as far as I know, close any apps.

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  - Original Message - 
  From: Hicks Steven (CORNWALL IT SERVICES) 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 2:33 AM
  Subject: turning Off The IPhone With SIRI


  Has anyone found a way to ask SIRI to turn off the phone?

  With IOS 7 or 8?

   


  


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Re: iOS 8.0.2

[Charles Rivard]

As for whether any bug has been fixed, if you don't experience it, no 
worries.  If you did, and now don't, no worries.  If you did, and still do, 
no.


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Subject: iOS 8.0.2


I just upgraded my iPhone 4S to iOS 8.0.2 and while I do notice that 
voiceover is a lot more responsive and does not crash as much . the 
accessibility issue of voiceover not speaking the Caller id still present 
and Siri and voice over do not work well on my device. Guessing that since 
there mention of accessibility fixes on the Apple vis website then that 
means that fixes will come in later versions of iOS eight?


Does anyone know, if the issue of the tone being emitted when you press the 
key or getting stuck has been fixed?


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