Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others money. At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
, the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets? Greed? Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket? Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with? Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given everything for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind persons a bad name makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be chastized by the list owners or mods for my comments. However, that is the price I'm willing to pay to make my point. No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed, right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't. But, don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to make money. - Original Message - From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom
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I thik a critique of the app is good, because just because something is available deosn't mean it will work for us all. Take glucometers for the blind diabetics out there. Medicare will provide a talking glucometer free of charge. But if you miss your reading the first time it is announced, then you are SOL. YOu have to retest or have a sighted person read the memory function. Also, most the the free ones from Medicare are not blind friendly when it comes to setting them up. Same can be said for aps for smart phones and I devices. Just saying Keith - Original Message - From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote
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Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear
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Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero
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With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip
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I believe Navigon retails for about $59 most of the time. I agree though that you can get it on sale occasionally. I didn't hear any discussions about having free Demeau's and such when that application was released. How is this different? Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 4:16 AM, Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com wrote: Never count out the people who want something for free that costs others money. At 09:46 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
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Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store complain to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something while I'm there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks stealing money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. Again, if I want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers himself a cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't do. How it works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. Complaining about its price is quite another. - Original Message - From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59
RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
And all 3 of those sources are free. Look it up. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:58 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Having purchased the app already, I can confirm that this application pulls its points of interest from three sources and not just foursquare. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:41 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
All I will say is this: if it hasn't been done already, please post a review of the app if you have used it. The rest of this discussion has quickly gone to being meaningless. Didn't we have the same discussion for Fleksi, M-braille, and any other app that costs more than .99? Paul -Original Message- From: Kevin Barry Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:25 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father
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I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright
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For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze
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This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade
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Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought
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Ok, now people are just picking to be picking. I'll drop out of the conversation after this. I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now I have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost isn't worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that I'm not ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there. Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and that's what matters. There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost. Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130
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Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay
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So those maps are more detailed. Sure. They're also not required. And the maps you get *with* the program are still updated. An optional $19 is nowhere near the same as a mandatory $70. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm
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The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think
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Hi May, Just out of curiosity and i assure you i do not want to start or contribute to any kind of flame war here, but what apps are you having besides the Seeing eye gps one and how do they compare if at all? Just so i know in the event the Seeing eye app will come to Sweden and so i know if i should get it or not, i mean if there are apps out there that does the job just as good as the Seeing eye gps, then i see little point in purchasing it. /Krister 3 jul 2013 kl. 15:23 skrev May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com: Ok, now people are just picking to be picking. I'll drop out of the conversation after this. I'm not a huge fan of the Seeing Eye, but was glad to try out their app. do I believe there should be a yearly cost, nope, but again that's because for now I have apps that give me the same info that works for me so the yearly cost isn't worth it. GPS is secondary to me if I'm using it just to make sure that I'm not ending up in BFE when I'm trying to get to some street over there. Maybe in time if the app has made updates it will be worth it for me. If this app benefits those that like certain features of, hey, that's awesome and that's what matters. There's several things about the app that will need to be worked out, but that's the same with the trekker when it first came out, navigon and all the rest. In time maybe for me it will be worth the cost. Now I'm going to shut up and go play in traffic. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 9:13 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps
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Hi Bob, Fresh Maps give you quarterly map updates as opposed to yearly map updates. Since the Seeing Eye app uses maps on the server where it always accesses the latest maps this of course doesn't apply, but yes, in the end you also pay something with apps like Navigon if frequent map updates are something you want. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Navigon lists several in app purchases. Item 3 in that list indicates that for fresh XL maps for North America, the cost is $19.99. This presumably provides maps that have additional detail as compared to the regular maps that come with the product. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 7:03 AM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: I haven't had to pay any extra fee for my updated maps with Navigon and I've had it for years. But again I'm not saying that either app is perfect either, just that right now the Seeing Eye app isn't worth the money I put out for it since my other apps give me the same info. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 8:53 AM, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get
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Hi Krister, There are apps available which in combination do most of what the Seeing Eye app does, but if those were all as good and complete than why were so many of us looking forward to the Seeing Eye app? People have very different needs and expectations when it comes to navigation apps and devices. May already owns a Trekker Breeze and for anybody who does have one of those I can totally understand why the Seeing Eye app is not as attractive. Of course you have to carry 2 devices, but the advantage also is that you aren't using up your iPhone's battery. Oh, and none of the existing apps, not a single one, tells you automatically about intersections, e.g. if it is a 4-way, 3-way etc. I always found this a very useful feature when I had my Windows Smartphone with MobileSpeak and MobileGeo. It is interesting how often I heard somebody saying If only there was an app for the iPhone as good as MobileGeo. MobileGeo which required MobileSpeak to function, was $800 or $900 and MobileSpeak added another $300. I think we all forget what we used to pay for these devices, only a year ago a Trekker Breeze was still $900 and only now it's on sale for $500 (Humanware lists it regularly at $700) here in Canada and I think to a large extend that price drop is because of devices like the iPhone and apps like Seeing Eye which are a much more cost effective solution in the long run even if they are not for everybody. OK, this is it for me in this discussion as well. I will most definitely buy the Seeing Eye app because I am confident that it will work well and be improved down the road. Oh, incidently, if Sendero had chosen to sell it outright for $200 with no subscription cost there would have been just as much outrage about it. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, actually this isn't a Sendero thing, but an Apple thing. Over the last year, many apps have switched to this model where you get the app, which might be an ad version, or a disabled version. Then you do in-app purchased to unlock things. Dice World is an example. You just get one app, then if you want to add things to it, like get rid of ads, you either play and win many games, or you do an in-app purchase and get rid of them. Sendero's Seeing App is the same thing in that you get the free app, then depending on which subscription you want, you do an in-app purchase. Not misleading at all. So, let's stop harping about how evil Sendero supposedly is. -- Raul A. Gallegos Soft kitty, Warm kitty, Little ball of fur. Happy kitty, Sleepy kitty, Purr, purr, purr. - Sheldon Cooper Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 7/2/2013 10:40 PM, Mich wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you
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I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate the app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp. Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and realize you just want something for nothing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections had their specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and they have to actually pay for something themselves. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Original Message -- Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! hi all i think we all must realise that we are all diferent and have diferent needs and i think it is sometimes hard to price apps out. for me as a piano tuner i have always used sendero because there the best and to me what ever they charge i can understand why. it takes a lot of hard work to design an app for blind people especially the gps apps. when and if the gps app comes to the uk i will certainly purchase it for a blind person getting lost is horrid and to know where you are is everything to me. i aplaud mike may and his team for what they have done for us with regards to gps. when in business you have to make money to live and i think the seing eye is well well worth the money and at least we have the choice the more of us that buy the lless the app will be in the future. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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fred, i know we don't get along, but i have to say, i agree with you on this point. hey, does it really matter how much it is? no, it is there for the using, no one is forcing people to download, install, and purchase the app. - Original Message - From: Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I know this list is for discussion of apps, but is it also for arguing about apps? Whether one decides it is to expensive, or works well or not is immaterial, the important thing is that it is out there and available, isn't it? Fred Olver - Original Message - From: Kevin Barry krba...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 5:25 AM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I advise against using logic with irrational people. Kevin At 12:00 AM 7/3/2013, you wrote: So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive
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There are plenty of apps that let you download them, but to use them, you have to buy content or data. All news stand apps, for example. Wake up, people. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hello Sean, coming from a moderator I can say that your message wasn't attacking any one individually, but rather expressing a different view point. So, you are good there. For whoever else is reading this, keep this in mind when expressing your opinions on whether people are being robbed, blind people should get it all for free, or just don't like the price point of things. Thanks. -- Raul A. Gallegos Twitter and Facebook user ID: rau47 On 7/3/2013 5:52 AM, Sean Paul wrote: Really? Are you serious? Stealing money out of blind peoples pockets? Greed? Do you feel that the grocery store is stealing money out of your pocket? Your cell carrier? Any other business that you do business with? Where do blind people get off thinking that they should be given everything for free? This is the sort of atitude that gives blind persons a bad name makes all of us look bad. I'll probably be chastized by the list owners or mods for my comments. However, that is the price I'm willing to pay to make my point. No one owes you anything whether you're blind, sighted, left-handed, right-handed, etc. If you want it, you buy it, if you don't then don't. But, don't begrudge those of us who have nor the company for trying to make money. - Original Message - From: Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 21:46 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one
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I might write a 1 star review decrying the ability to test the app first for a nominal fee. I want something for something, and if effecting their average rating will get it, I'm happy to do so. It wouldn't be a misleading review either since I used the app just enough to know there is no monthly subscription. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:06 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it kind of sucks that people who don't buy a subscription can rate the app. Very misleading, since you haven't used the appp. Hopefully, people who read your review will take it with a cup of salt and realize you just want something for nothing. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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James, er, excuse me, Navigon offers the same level of access, and you base that on what? I have both, and therefore I am basing this on factual knowledge, Navigon which I used for years is not on the same level as Seeing Eye in terms of accessibility to O/M information, they are not even in the same league. Navigon's buttons are labelled sure, and I can use it to get me from A to B, but with no intersection data, no POI read aloud data, no intersections I pass by on the route data and no 4 Square integration. Seeing Eye uses 3 sources, two of which are free sources the third NavTeq is not and is a paid solution. I also fail to see why people believe Navigon is giving them map updates for free, Navigon App updates are free, but, that is the app alone and not the map data. This is an additional on top in app purchase. If you just download the free updates to Navigon all you are getting is the app itself updated and not the map data. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, as well as an Apple iOS, Macintosh and Android accessibility specialist. For all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 On 3 Jul 2013, at 13:41, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Funny. I figured she just didn't want to be ripped off. As has been said on here and elsewhere. Navigon is a one-time payment, and is pretty much exactly as accessible as the Seeing Eye app. They also don't charge you for updates. The Trecker, while more expensive, also doesn't charge you for map updates. And if we're being honest, the Seeing Eye app doesn't need to pay for its access to, let's say, foursquare information, which is where it pulls its points of interest from. So again, what are you paying for for $70/year? -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Barry Sent: July 3, 2013 6:17 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil
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You go, Mary! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:08 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe the real problem is that people who raise these objections had their specialized devices bought for them by rehab, and now times have changed, and they have to actually pay for something themselves. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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All decisions involving money require some thought. Not all of my sighted frinds drive BMW's. For that matter, not all of them have iPhones. At the risked of being flamed into a tiny bit of ash, the iPhone is quite expensive. In fact, all i devices are rather spendy. However, most people on this list have chosen to purchase them. No one has to have GPS in order to be mobile. People have been using white canes or guide dogs for years. Therefore either buy the app or don't! Blind people in general seem to be either under employed or unemployed. Certainly that's not true for all blind people, but it seems true for the majority. So, you make decisions as to how to spend your money. So decide whether or not you want this app or not! It's really rather simple! You can have an off day, but you can't have a day off! ---The Art of Fielding Sent from my Mac Book Pro richr...@gmail.com On Jul 3, 2013, at 7:56 AM, Sean Paul newsandtraf...@aol.com wrote: Again, if you want to buy it, buy it, if you don't, don't. But, don't bitch complain about its price. Pay it or don't. I don't go to the store complain to them about the prices which they charge. I either buy something while I'm there or I don't. , I don't run around complaining about folks stealing money from blind folks pockets. Or, that someone is being greedy. Again, if I want it I pay. , yes, this is coming from someone who considers himself a cheapskate. It's one thing to talk about what an app will or won't do. How it works or how it doesn't. Whether it is accessible or not. Complaining about its price is quite another. - Original Message - From: James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 08:50 Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Uh. The last update we pulled in for the Breeze in this house? That would be yesterday. And yes, it was free. Now, granted to buy any other map, there's an extra cost. So say you're going to England for a vacation and decide to drag your GPS along. Except you won't be dragging the Seeing Eye app along, as it doesn't even work over there. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: July 3, 2013 12:16 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now
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and I would claim this is still paying full price for the iPhone. It isn't by any means a discount because we're blind users. To be honest, I'm not sure how the statement about paying full price for an iPhone or not even has anything to do with this argument. On 07/03/2013 08:44 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -Original Message- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze
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Everyone has to decide for themselves whether an app is worth the price being asked for or not. I know some people feel they can get similar functionality from less expensive apps or apps with a different payment method and that's great! For others, this app has features they're willing to pay for. This is no different than any other set of apps in the App Store, note taking apps, calendar apps, PIM apps and so on. There's a lot of choices and a lot of prices and it's good that we have another option. What I don't understand though about this thread is why some people think others care about whether they're willing to pay for this or any other app. I'd like information on the app, reviews, podcasts, a trial period, comparisons with other apps and so on. I'll decide for myself if I think it's worth the money or not. I don't really care if someone else in a different situation thinks it's worth the price or not. On 07/03/2013 08:07 AM, Robert Fenton wrote: For me, the additional information describing intersections is incredibly important, not because I need technology not to get lost, but for safety. As part of my job, I frequently travel to unfamiliar cities and it is helpful to know how intersections look before crossing them quite often for the first time. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-03, at 6:57 AM, James Homuth ja...@the-jdh.com wrote: Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone
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I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app
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HI. is this app available outside the us? On 04/07/2013, at 4:20 AM, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone
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One correction, if you want to receive frequent map updates from Navigon, you need to pay a fee. However, if you are happy with quarterly updates, there is no extra fee. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 04/07/2013, at 0:53, Robert Fenton robert.fen...@samobile.net wrote: With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah mcdonald@gmail.com wrote: You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like
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I wasn't in any suggesting that in particular that this one would. However, others who are not as used to dealing with this group of folks but wanted to devolope an app would see this as a lack of appreciation, lack of understanding, etc. Yes, I'm sure they're more than aware of all of the complaining. The larger pioint I was making was the whole if you don't like the price, don't buy it. Again, I've already said that I wished there was a trial period, a monthly price, etc. However, at this point, there is not making statements such as robbing the blind, taking money out of blind folks pockets, greedy, etc are not productive for getting a monthly subscribtion price, trial period, etc. - Original Message - From: Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 14:20 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I don't think people complaining about it will have anything to do with whether it sticks around or not. I'm sure these people aren't new to putting out a product or dealing with blind consumers. How many people out of the total membership of this list have complained about the price? It's a pretty small but vocal minority. I think the marketplace will have more to do with whether this product is successful or not than anything else. On 07/03/2013 05:40 AM, Sean Paul wrote: , the more people bitch complain about its price the more likely the app is to go away. Which then wouldn't be right for those of us who have already paid the price for the app. If you don't like the price of the app, don't buy it. It to me is like a ford verses a BMW. Windows verses a Mac. Beer verses Champagne. Don't complain about the cost of the BMW, the Mac or Champagne if you don't want one, can't afford one, don't buy one. But, don't begrudge those who do want to buy one. Me personally, I'm pretty good at drinkin' beer. But, for those of you who want Champagne, I don't begrudge you. I would agree that it would be a great idea for them to have a trial period so that people can see what the app is like what it would do for them. Rather than having to buy the whole thing up front. I'd also agree that perhaps a monthly cost would be a good idea for those who can't or don't want to afford the whole cost up front. , yes as a matter of full disclosure, I have already purchased the app. Just one mans opinion, , yes, sometimes I do get paid for it. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 22:04 Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia
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I was loathe to weigh in on this conversation, but judging from all the posts I’ve read on this topic, I think your anger and frustrations are being misdirected. The fact is, the bad guy here is Apple, not Sendero. If Apple would allow for refunds and not force a person to buy or suffer, then it would be fine, since people could purchase an app, and, like in a great deal of cases us blind folks find ourselves in, the app isn’t accessible, or doesn’t work well for us, we could then obtain a refund, sort of like a seven day grace period. So, in essence, it isn’t Sendero who comes up with this policy, it’s Apple, and so you have to live with that, not force Sendero to go against a major company like Apple. If you want Apple to listen, write to them, not Sendero, and certainly not to this list. Victor Gouveia Vice-President Training Coordinator VIP Tech Phone: 1 (888) 737-1115 Fax: 1 (888) 737-1116 Work e-mail: vipt...@rogers.com Home E-mail: victor.gouv...@rogers.com Limiting Disabilities with Limitless Possibilities -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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That's not fair. I haven't read anywhere here that Mary Ann wanted something for nothing. Nor did anyone else in this thread, at least not that I know of. If there is ever a trial period for the Seeing Eye app, I will take advantage of it and then decide if the app fills my needs better than those I already have. Since there is currently no trial version, I will not purchase the app at this time. I will not pay $69 plus tax for an app if I can't try it first. That goes for any app, not just one made specifically for the blind. Nightbird On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection
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Hi Mary List; I had both the privilege and the honor of attending grade school with Naryanne. She worked for every grade she received. As far as people casting aspersions about her, it just goes to show how mid-informed people can be. Anthony Sent from my Verizon iPhone 5! On Jul 3, 2013, at 11:19 PM, Mary nightbir...@gmail.com wrote: That's not fair. I haven't read anywhere here that Mary Ann wanted something for nothing. Nor did anyone else in this thread, at least not that I know of. If there is ever a trial period for the Seeing Eye app, I will take advantage of it and then decide if the app fills my needs better than those I already have. Since there is currently no trial version, I will not purchase the app at this time. I will not pay $69 plus tax for an app if I can't try it first. That goes for any app, not just one made specifically for the blind. Nightbird On Jul 3, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Kevin Barry wrote: She expects everything for nothing. At 10:04 PM 7/2/2013, you wrote: Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and
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I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more
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Do you expect them to lose money on this app? They have to pay a fee in order to use the maps that this app utilizes. The problem is that there are not millions of people who are going to buy this app, only a few thousand, and the cost of using those maps must be spread out through the purchasers. I bought a human rare ware Trekker 7 years ago that did little more than this app. It cost me fifteen hundred dollars. If you do the math, after subscribing to this app and paying the taxes, it works out to less than twenty two cents a day. That is a small price to pay for something that is customized for a specific portion of the population. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it
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I'm not sure I'm going to buy it, and I would like to see a way to demo it before purchasing it, but depending on what it does, $70 a year, or less if you go with a three year plan, doesn't seem unreasonable to me. I haven't seen their business plan, but I doubt anyone is going to get rich from this product at this price. On 07/02/2013 08:46 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey wrote: I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word”. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from
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Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street direction. Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. It sounds
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you are in are already entered, so only the address number and street need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most
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And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty percent in the one mile walk. The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. Entering an address is made easy because
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I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me. 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you anoint my head with oil, my cup overflows. 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. Psalm 19:8-11 -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Dean
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And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow
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So, after you pay the tax on your Trekker breeze, you will pay the equivalent of 12 years of subscription if you used the three year subscription plan. Personally, I hope technology will advance exponentially in that amount of time, making both devices obsolete. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk through the valley
Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Let me make sure I understand what is being discussed here. I could spend $500, and buy a trekker breeze, a device where the maps are only updated infrequently, and where there is only one map source, or I could buy approximately 12 years of service on an iOS app, that uses multiple map sources, and which will most likely have frequent updates. On Jul 2, 2013, at 10:40 PM, Mich mi...@eastlink.ca wrote: I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with subscribe Dan's Tips or subscribe Hotspot Devotional in the subjectline. of your truth and live according to your word. Verse of the Week Proverbs 18:10 The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs into it and is safe. (ESV) Prayer: O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord. (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, 480-547 AD) Psalm 23:1-6 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still waters; 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for his name's sake. 4 Even though I walk
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Hi Mich, There is nothing misleading since if you didn't know about the subscription this simply means you didn't read the full app description and information. Right after where it says the app is free, the release date and customer ratings it says the following: Top In-App Purchases 1. Three Year Subscription$129.99 2. One Year Subscription$69.99 OK, so I was remembering the old price for the Breeze, but even at $500 I cam buy 4 3-year subscription renewals (4 times $130 = $520) which means 12 years of up-to-date coverage. When did you last get a map update for your Trekker? Was it free? OK, I know this is actively defending the Seeing Eye app which I am sure has its shortcomings. But I really dislike it if people bash a product which took an enormous amount of dedication and resources to develop simply because it's not given to them for virtually nothing. How about all that HUmanware greed, I mean how dare they charge the original adopters of the Breeze $800 or $900 and now they are :giving it away for little more than half that. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mich Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:40 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I would like to join in on this by saying that I didn't download the app but since the app it's self is free it is verry miss leading to download a free appand then find out that o wate it isn't free after all since you need to by a subscription to use it!!! jmo. I will stick with my trekker. and to the person who asked how mutch the breeze is it is 499 at this time it is on sail. from Mich. - Original Message - From: Chuck Dean chuckd...@icloud.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:29 PM Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! And how much did you pay for that breeze? Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 8:27 PM, Mary Anne Lynskey marlyn...@gmail.com wrote: You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson dthomps...@mchsi.com wrote: Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep paying for rights to use the app? To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips
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You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I already have. Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. May and Prince Noah www.canadianlynx.ca On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 divided by $130 = 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing Eye app uses. Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. Mary Anne On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: Hi Mary Anne, Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not like Sendero forced you to do so. You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing Eye app. This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you don't want it. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to speak my mind. Mary Anne Lynskey On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year subscription. Chuck (mobile) Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. On Jul 2
