subject:"The rotor"

Try going to VoiceOver settings under VoiceOver Recognition and turn it on 
there. then try the rotor and turn it off because you do not want it on unless 
absolutely necessary.  If that doesn't work, call Apple Accessibility.

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> On Sep 1, 2024, at 6:59 AM, Tony Sweeney  wrote:
> 
> So I added screen recognition to the rotor but it's not there when I do the 
> turn of fingers gesture although everything else that I selected is.
> 
> Tony
> 
>> On 01/09/2024 14:55, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:
>> Yes, but it is called Screen Recognition.
>> IN the rotor when you turn to it, you flick up or down to toggle it on or 
>> off.
>> 
>> 
>> Richard, USA
>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>> 
>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
>> Sweeney
>> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 6:53 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Voice recognition and the rotor
>> 
>> You are correct Richard screen recognition is what I meant to write.
>> 
>> So you can't add it to the rotor then?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Tony
>> 
>>> On 01/09/2024 14:46, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:
>>> There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.
>>> 
>>> Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
>>> If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not 
>>> reading correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Richard, USA
>>> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
>>> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
>>> -- as seen on a T-shirt with a power fist raised
>>> 
>>> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
>>> Sweeney
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor
>>> 
>>> Hi folk,
>>> 
>>> I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the 
>>> rotor but it doesn't appear to work for me.
>>> 
>>> I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in 
>>> there but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a 
>>> programme voice recognition is not showing although everything else I 
>>> selected does.
>>> 
>>> Can anyone throw any light on this pls?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Tony in Dublin Ireland
>>> 
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Re: Screen recognition and the rotor

2024-09-01 Thread Tony Sweeney

So I added screen recognition to the rotor but it's not there when I do 
the turn of fingers gesture although everything else that I selected is.


Tony

On 01/09/2024 14:55, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

Yes, but it is called Screen Recognition.
IN the rotor when you turn to it, you flick up or down to toggle it on or off.


Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice recognition and the rotor

You are correct Richard screen recognition is what I meant to write.

So you can't add it to the rotor then?

Thanks,

Tony

On 01/09/2024 14:46, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.

Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.



Richard, USA
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SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor

Hi folk,

I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
but it doesn't appear to work for me.

I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.

Can anyone throw any light on this pls?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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RE: Voice recognition and the rotor

Yes, but it is called Screen Recognition.
IN the rotor when you turn to it, you flick up or down to toggle it on or off.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 6:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice recognition and the rotor

You are correct Richard screen recognition is what I meant to write.

So you can't add it to the rotor then?

Thanks,

Tony

On 01/09/2024 14:46, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:
> There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.
>
> Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
> If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
> correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.
>
>
>
>   Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ...
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
> Sweeney
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor
>
> Hi folk,
>
> I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
> but it doesn't appear to work for me.
>
> I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
> but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
> recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.
>
> Can anyone throw any light on this pls?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tony in Dublin Ireland
>
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Screen Recognition, was, RE: Voice recognition and the rotor

Did you check under settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, VoiceOver Recognition?
If it is available, that is where you would find it.


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Barbara 
Stahl
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voice recognition and the rotor

Speaking of screen, recognition is it available on an iPhone 8 running iOS 16 I 
couldn't seem to find it when I looked for it a little while back

> On Sep 1, 2024, at 9:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.
> 
> Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
> If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
> correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
> Sweeney
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor
> 
> Hi folk,
> 
> I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
> but it doesn't appear to work for me.
> 
> I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
> but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
> recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.
> 
> Can anyone throw any light on this pls?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tony in Dublin Ireland
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Re: Voice recognition and the rotor

2024-09-01 Thread Tony Sweeney


You are correct Richard screen recognition is what I meant to write.

So you can't add it to the rotor then?

Thanks,

Tony

On 01/09/2024 14:46, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone wrote:

There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.

Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor

Hi folk,

I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
but it doesn't appear to work for me.

I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.

Can anyone throw any light on this pls?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Re: Voice recognition and the rotor

2024-09-01 Thread Barbara Stahl

Speaking of screen, recognition is it available on an iPhone 8 running iOS 16 I 
couldn't seem to find it when I looked for it a little while back

> On Sep 1, 2024, at 9:46 AM, 'Richard Turner' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.
> 
> Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
> If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
> correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA
> "INTROVERTS UNITE ... 
> SEPARATELY IN YOUR OWN HOMES"
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> 
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> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
> Sweeney
> Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor
> 
> Hi folk,
> 
> I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
> but it doesn't appear to work for me.
> 
> I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
> but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
> recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.
> 
> Can anyone throw any light on this pls?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Tony in Dublin Ireland
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RE: Voice recognition and the rotor

There is no Voice Recognition item on the rotor in iOS 17.6.1 or earlier.

Are you talking about Screen Recognition?
If so that is an on/off item that is only to be used if an app is not reading 
correctly with VoiceOver, and may or may not help.



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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Sunday, September 1, 2024 4:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice recognition and the rotor

Hi folk,

I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the rotor 
but it doesn't appear to work for me.

I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in there 
but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a programme voice 
recognition is not showing although everything else I selected does.

Can anyone throw any light on this pls?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Voice recognition and the rotor

2024-09-01 Thread Tony Sweeney


Hi folk,

I was under the impression that one could add Voice recognition to the 
rotor but it doesn't appear to work for me.


I go in to the rotor in settings, and add (select) voice recognition in 
there but when I do the action with my thumb and index finger in a 
programme voice recognition is not showing although everything else I 
selected does.


Can anyone throw any light on this pls?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Re: The rotor

2024-08-15 Thread Tony Sweeney

Yes indeed I did wonder that too Bert so I'll try look up how to change 
that if that is the case.


Thanks,

Tony

On 14/08/2024 21:49, Albert wrote:


Hello Tony,
Could your phone be in landscape mode?

  ALBERT

JAWS HOME USE EDITION. VERSION 2024.2406.121

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Windows 11 Home (x64) Version 23H2 (OS built 22631.3958)

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The rotor

Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.


The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical I'm
afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.


I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like three
digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.


Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?

Tony


On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:


Hi Tony,


When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across and 
four
down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where the
letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers view. I
do believe that cannot be changed.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jennie Facer
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08?AM, Tony Sweeney 

<mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it 
were but say
when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are,
they are in vertical form.

Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting 
in the rotor
setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.

Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dlmlao...@gmail.com>
wrote:


Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, 
it cannot be
changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be
altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're
using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a
number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of
Tony Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes 
now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like 
to have them as in
a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I
change this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a 
rotor setting that
says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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RE: The rotor

2024-08-14 Thread Albert




Hello Tony,
Could your phone be in landscape mode?

 ALBERT

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 11:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The rotor

Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.


The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical I'm 
afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.


I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like three 
digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.


Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?

Tony


On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:


Hi Tony,


When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across and 
four 
down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where the 
letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers view. I 
do believe that cannot be changed.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jennie Facer
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08?AM, Tony Sweeney 
 
<mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it 
were but say 
when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are, 
they are in vertical form.

Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting 
in the rotor 
setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.

Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dlmlao...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, 
it cannot be 
changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be 
altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're 
using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a 
number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
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 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Tony Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes 
now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like 
to have them as in 
a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I 
change this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a 
rotor setting that 
says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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RE: The rotor

2024-08-14 Thread Albert

Hello Tony,
Could your phone be in landscape  mode? ALBERT

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Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 11:43 AM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Re: The rotor

Hi Tony,

Yes, I know exactly what you mean, and that is the way I see my numbers in the 
Phone app as well. You may write:
accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com> Maybe they can help? 
I don't know if you have a number you can call where you live.
Thanks,

Jenn

Jennie Facer


On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:24?AM, Tony Sweeney  
wrote:


Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.


The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical 
I'm 
afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.


I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like 
three 
digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.


Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?

Tony


On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:


Hi Tony,


When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three 
across and four 
down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where the 
letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers view. I 
do believe that cannot be changed.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
Jennie Facer
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!


On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08?AM, Tony Sweeney 
 
<mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode 
as it were but say 
when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are, 
they are in vertical form.

Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical 
setting in the rotor 
setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.

Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com 
<mailto:dlmlao...@gmail.com> 
wrote:


Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want 
correctly, it cannot be 
changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be 
altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're 
using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a 
number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.

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 <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of 
Tony Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so 
here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I 
would like to have them as in 
a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I 
change this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I 
see a rotor setting that 
says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Re: The rotor

2024-08-13 Thread Jennie Facer

Hi Tony,

Yes, I know exactly what you mean, and that is the way I see my numbers in the 
Phone app as well. You may write:
accessibil...@apple.com <mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>
Maybe they can help? I don’t know if you have a number you can call where you 
live.
Thanks,

Jenn
Jennie Facer

> On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:24 AM, Tony Sweeney  wrote:
> 
> Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.
> 
> The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical I'm 
> afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.
> 
> I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like three 
> digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.
> 
> Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:
>> Hi Tony,
>> 
>> 
>> When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across and four 
>> down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where 
>> the letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers 
>> view. I do believe that cannot be changed.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Jenn
>> Jennie Facer
>> TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!
>> 
>>> On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Tony Sweeney  
>>> <mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.
>>> 
>>> Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it were but say 
>>> when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are, 
>>> they are in vertical form.
>>> 
>>> Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting in the rotor 
>>> setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.
>>> 
>>> Hope that explains better.
>>> 
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com <mailto:dlmlao...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be 
>>>> changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot 
>>>> be altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether 
>>>> you're using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., 
>>>> type a number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>>>>  <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of 
>>>> Tony Sweeney
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>>> Subject: The rotor
>>>> 
>>>> Hi folk
>>>> 
>>>> I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:
>>>> 
>>>> My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as in 
>>>> a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I 
>>>> change this pls?
>>>> 
>>>> I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that 
>>>> says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.
>>>> 
>>>> Any thoughts?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> 
>>>> Tony in Dublin Ireland
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Re: The rotor


I know you don't doubt me but I have my phone app open as I write.

I too think it's odd indeed now that a it had been brought to my 
attention, otherwise I would have continued to think that it was just 
Apple.


Perhaps things are different in this part of the world but our phones 
here though generally are as you write.


Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:36, dlmlao...@gmail.com wrote:


Well, that long vertical display is not and has never been what I have 
seen on the keypad. The digits on my keypad have always been as you 
would want them to be


You might want to call Apple Accessibility Support and have them view 
your phone. I don’t have the number from Ireland, but if you can’t 
find it, I’m sure we can get it for you. This is definitely odd!


*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf 
Of *Tony Sweeney

*Sent:* Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:24 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: The rotor

Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.

The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are 
vertical I'm afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.


I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like 
three digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.


Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:

Hi Tony,

When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three
across and four down. This is standard. When you are typing on an
onscreen keyboard where the letters are, the numbers appear on the
top row of the symbols/numbers view. I do believe that cannot be
changed.

Hope this helps,

Jenn

Jennie Facer

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!



On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Tony Sweeney
 <mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com> wrote:

Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it
were but say when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone
app where the digits are, they are in vertical form.

Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting
in the rotor setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.

Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it
cannot be changed. The display of the digits when you want
to type a number cannot be altered. But to be sure I've
understood correctly, tell us whether you're using an
iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e.,
type a number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tony Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
        To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to
have them as in a normal phone set up if you like, one
two, three at top etc so how can I change this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a
rotor setting that says vertical but I can'st see a way to
change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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RE: The rotor

2024-08-13 Thread dlmlaochi

Well, that long vertical display is not and has never been what I have seen on 
the keypad. The digits on my keypad have always been as you would want them to 
be 
 
You might want to call Apple Accessibility Support and have them view your 
phone. I don’t have the number from Ireland, but if you can’t find it, I’m sure 
we can get it for you. This is definitely odd!
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 6:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The rotor
 
Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like. 
The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical I'm 
afraid, 1 all the way down to hash. 
I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like three digits 
one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on. 
Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?
Tony
On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:
Hi Tony, 
 
 
When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across and four 
down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where the 
letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers view. I 
do believe that cannot be changed.
 
Hope this helps,
 
Jenn
Jennie Facer 
TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMEONE YOU ARE THE WORLD!



On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Tony Sweeney  <mailto:tonymswee...@gmail.com> 
 wrote:
 
Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it were but say when 
in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are, they are 
in vertical form.

Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting in the rotor 
setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.

Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com <mailto:dlmlao...@gmail.com>  wrote:


Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be changed. 
The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be altered. But 
to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're using an iPhone or 
an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a number on the keypad in 
the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>   
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as in a 
normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I change 
this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that says 
vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Re: The rotor


Your mail prompts me to explain better if you like.

The phone app in which the keypad is contained the numbers are vertical 
I'm afraid, 1 all the way down to hash.


I would like to have this as a normal phone keypad, something like three 
digits one towwo three at top and 4 5 6 beneath and so on.


Remember the old nokia set up or those house phones?

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:17, Jennie Facer wrote:

Hi Tony,


When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across 
and four down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen 
keyboard where the letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of 
the symbols/numbers view. I do believe that cannot be changed.


Hope this helps,

Jenn
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On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Tony Sweeney  wrote:

Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it were but 
say when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the 
digits are, they are in vertical form.


Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting in the 
rotor setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.


Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be 
changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number 
cannot be altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us 
whether you're using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want 
to do, i.e., type a number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.


-Original Message-
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Of Tony Sweeney

Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them 
as in a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc 
so how can I change this pls?


I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting 
that says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.


Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Re: The rotor

2024-08-13 Thread Jennie Facer

Hi Tony,


When in the phone app, there are four rows of numbers, three across and four 
down. This is standard. When you are typing on an onscreen keyboard where the 
letters are, the numbers appear on the top row of the symbols/numbers view. I 
do believe that cannot be changed.

Hope this helps,

Jenn
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> On Aug 13, 2024, at 4:08 AM, Tony Sweeney  wrote:
> 
> Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.
> 
> Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it were but say when 
> in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits are, they 
> are in vertical form.
> 
> Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting in the rotor 
> setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.
> 
> Hope that explains better.
> 
> Tony
> 
> On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be 
>> changed. The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be 
>> altered. But to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're 
>> using an iPhone or an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a 
>> number on the keypad in the Phone app, for instance.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
>> Sweeney
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The rotor
>> 
>> Hi folk
>> 
>> I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:
>> 
>> My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as in a 
>> normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I 
>> change this pls?
>> 
>> I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that 
>> says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.
>> 
>> Any thoughts?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Tony in Dublin Ireland
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Re: The rotor


Okay thanks, it's an iPhone 13 Mini.

Basically in contacts the numbers are in regular mode as it were but say 
when in a call setting or if I go in to the phone app where the digits 
are, they are in vertical form.


Someone told me that I need to change trthat vertical setting in the 
rotor setting but can't see a way of so doing |I'm afraid.


Hope that explains better.

Tony

On 13/08/2024 11:00, dlmlao...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be changed. 
The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be altered. But 
to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're using an iPhone or 
an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a number on the keypad in 
the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as in a 
normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I change 
this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that says 
vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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RE: The rotor

2024-08-13 Thread dlmlaochi

Hello, Tony. If I'm understand what you want correctly, it cannot be changed. 
The display of the digits when you want to type a number cannot be altered. But 
to be sure I've understood correctly, tell us whether you're using an iPhone or 
an iPad and exactly what you want to do, i.e., type a number on the keypad in 
the Phone app, for instance.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Tony 
Sweeney
Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2024 5:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The rotor

Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as in a 
normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how can I change 
this pls?

I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that says 
vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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The rotor


Hi folk

I'm new to asking a question on this list so here goes now:

My phone numbers are in vertical style and I would like to have them as 
in a normal phone set up if you like, one two, three at top etc so how 
can I change this pls?


I have checked the rotor in accessibility and I see a rotor setting that 
says vertical but I can'st see a way to change this.


Any thoughts?

Thanks,

Tony in Dublin Ireland

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Ever since it became possible to do so, I mapped the two finger swiped left and right gestures to turn the rotor left and right and it works beautifully for me and several of my clients. Re: Just a Q

2023-06-10 Thread Julian

Sent from my iPhoneOn Jun 9, 2023, at 4:22 PM, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:







Another way to think about it is that you just need to place two fingers on the screen with some space between them and have them move in opposite but parallel directions. You don’t need to actually rotate the screen. For example, you could
 place your pointer and ring fingers on the screen just a bit apart and then slide your pointer finger down while sliding your ring finger up. I’m not saying this particular example will work for everyone, and I don’t use it myself, but maybe knowing that you
 don’t actually need a circular rotating motion will help some people with this gesture.
 

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
On Behalf Of Paula Jordan
Sent: Friday, June 9, 2023 3:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark


 
Interesting to hear how different people work the roter. I find it easiest to hold my thumb and pointer finger a couple of inches apart more or less in the mi.le of the phone and then turn the phone holding my two fingers in place.
God bless!
Paula and the pups
 


From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com>
On Behalf Of Wendy Lin
Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2023 10:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark


 
We sure do. I normally do the router gesture by using my thumb and middle fingers. Been doing that for many years now.

 


On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:43 PM, Esther Levegnale <elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

Wow.  That's pretty good as well. I guess we all have our own ways of doing things. Take care. Esther


 

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


 

On Jun 6, 2023, at 9:27 PM, Barbara Stahl <stahlredstone.0...@gmail.com> wrote:








That is interesting.  I do the roder gesture like this:  I hold the phone vertically using my thumbs and middle and ring fingers of both hands and then I swipe my two index
 fingers across the screen together to the right or left.  It seems pretty easy to me.  


 



 

On Jun 6, 2023, at 6:46 PM, Esther Levegnale <elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:




Hi, everyone,


 


The trick to the rotor is to have your thumb and index finger spread quite a bit apart.  At least, this works for me, and hope it works for all of you as well.  As I said,
 my index finger and thumb are spread apart and I find that I can turn the rotor very easily.


 


Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


 

On May 31, 2023, at 10:36 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:







You are quite right, Traci.


 


I am not a huge fan of the rotor.  I find it rather cumbersome.    I am not a huge fan and yet I cannot come up with a better idea.  Sometimes, I wish I had an engineering mind.  (smile).


 


Mark


 


 


 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com<viphone@googlegroups.com> On
 Behalf Of Traci Duncan
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2023 8:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Just a Quick Hello To Everyone on the List from Moderator Mark




 


Hello, I replied to this on MacVisionaries, but what I’m talking about is for iOs. :)



 




Two little things I’ve thought would be useful:

A VoiceOver gesture, (say a 2-finger swipe right) in the messages window to send the composed message. Instead of locating the send button.

A VoiceOver gesture to spell the current word in focus. Often I’m on the web and want something spelled out. It takes many little steps to turn the rotor to word, flick to the one I want, then turn the rotor to character, flick letter by letter. A simple shortcut
 would be super useful.

Those are two little things off the top of my head. :)

Take care,
Traci










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Hi Mark,




I am Peggy from New Jersey. I have a question is it possible for you to check and see if I am subscribed twice to this list?? I have received the same message twice so just wondering if I have a double subscription??




 Take care of yourself.




Peggy Kane. 




 




Peggy Sent from my i phone☺️










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Hello Everyone,

Seems as though it's been quite a while since I posted to the list so just
wanted to check in with you and see how everyone is doing with their Apple
devices.

I am looking forward to the WWDC 2023 keynote presentation, next week.

You know?  The only software feature that I really want added to the OS is
the ability to permanently save and organize iMessage content into folders.


Are there any features, accessibility-related or not, that you would like to
see introduced next week?

I hope everyone is doing well and I look forward to reading your replies.

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

I have an iPhone 11 which I believe is quite similar to the SE 2020 and I can 
select Screen Recognition in Settings > Accessibility > Voiceover > Quick 
Settings

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 3:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Hi Holly,

According to Apple Accessibility or, at least the person I talked to, if I were 
to update to iOS16 that would solve the problem but, apparently not.  Maybe 
this only happens with certain model phones?  I would be curious to find out 
what they would say to someone running iOS16 on an SE2020 phone.  Well, I'll 
wait and see what happens.  Thanks for the input.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Mike:

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-05 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Fair enough, I can duplicate this, but what does it have to do with screen 
recognition?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 10:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Mary, you nailed it.
I should have given that example.
Well done.

Richard, USA.
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I believe. 
Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, or line, it 
doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or whatever. Then 
flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your rotor will have 
changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have your choice to trash 
the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says trash. So the rotor is 
switching just because I make a flick to the right without changing anything. 
I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to duplicate.
Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Hi Richard,

I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the rotor 
where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening to me 
unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like screen 
recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle this on or 
off. Can you give specific examples about this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.
The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.
Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.
This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.
To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

HTH,
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread bentleyj1952

Thank you sir, very much.

James B  

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 11:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Hi James,

Yes but you do it in Accessibility / Voiceover / Quick Settings, and not where 
the quick settings are opened accessed using the 2 finger quadruple tap.

So, open the quick settings as described above and while in quick settings 
swipe to the feature you want to move.  Let's use, Activities, as an example.

Swipe to Activities, and you'll hear selected Activities, now swipe one more 
time to, reorder Activities.  Here do a single finger swipe up to either move 
up or move down, and do asingle finger double tap.

It'll move in the direction you selected and you'll receive confirmation from 
Voiceover of it's action.  Any of these items can be moved in the same way from 
it's reorder... option.  Now close out and using the 2 finger quadruple tap 
gesture you can open the quick settings to see if the features are arranged the 
way you want them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 7:57 PM

Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Can I reorder these VO quick settings?  If so, how?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO settings, 
it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A double 
magic tap., so to speak.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
> <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> > wrote:
> 
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
> the Rotor
> 
> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down 
> to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
> there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
> rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
> 
> 
>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  <mailto:fe...@comcast.net> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
>Mike:
> 
>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
> running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
> 
>
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Cool, thanks for this tip.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 9:18 PM
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor

You can also do the double tap and hold on the move X app and slide down or 
up and if you go slowly, it will tell you which app you have moved it above 
or below.

You only have the height of the screen to move with good info, but you can 
end up moving it all the way to the top or bottom pretty easily.

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
t.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B.
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor

Hi James,

Yes but you do it in Accessibility / Voiceover / Quick Settings, and not 
where the quick settings are opened accessed using the 2 finger quadruple 
tap.

So, open the quick settings as described above and while in quick settings 
swipe to the feature you want to move.  Let's use, Activities, as an 
example.

Swipe to Activities, and you'll hear selected Activities, now swipe one more 
time to, reorder Activities.  Here do a single finger swipe up to either 
move up or move down, and do asingle finger double tap.

It'll move in the direction you selected and you'll receive confirmation 
from Voiceover of it's action.  Any of these items can be moved in the same 
way from it's reorder... option.  Now close out and using the 2 finger 
quadruple tap gesture you can open the quick settings to see if the features 
are arranged the way you want them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 

From: bentleyj1...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 7:57 PM

Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor

Can I reorder these VO quick settings?  If so, how?

James B

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO 
settings, it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A 
double magic tap., so to speak.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
> not the Rotor
>
> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way 
> down to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen 
> Recognition in there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset. 
> Think of this as the rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings 
> instead.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
>
>
>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Mike:
>
>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I 
> am running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
>
>
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

You can also do the double tap and hold on the move X app and slide down or up 
and if you go slowly, it will tell you which app you have moved it above or 
below.

You only have the height of the screen to move with good info, but you can end 
up moving it all the way to the top or bottom pretty easily.

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site:  <https://www.turner42.com> https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B.
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Hi James,

Yes but you do it in Accessibility / Voiceover / Quick Settings, and not where 
the quick settings are opened accessed using the 2 finger quadruple tap.

So, open the quick settings as described above and while in quick settings 
swipe to the feature you want to move.  Let's use, Activities, as an example.

Swipe to Activities, and you'll hear selected Activities, now swipe one more 
time to, reorder Activities.  Here do a single finger swipe up to either move 
up or move down, and do asingle finger double tap.

It'll move in the direction you selected and you'll receive confirmation from 
Voiceover of it's action.  Any of these items can be moved in the same way from 
it's reorder... option.  Now close out and using the 2 finger quadruple tap 
gesture you can open the quick settings to see if the features are arranged the 
way you want them.

Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 

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From: bentleyj1...@gmail.com <mailto:bentleyj1...@gmail.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 7:57 PM

Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Can I reorder these VO quick settings?  If so, how?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO settings, 
it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A double 
magic tap., so to speak.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
> <mailto:4carol...@windstream.net> > wrote:
> 
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
> Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
> the Rotor
> 
> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down 
> to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
> there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
> rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
> 
> 
>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  <mailto:fe...@comcast.net> > wrote:
>
>
> 
> 
>Mike:
> 
>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
> running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
> 
>
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Hi James,

Yes but you do it in Accessibility / Voiceover / Quick Settings, and not 
where the quick settings are opened accessed using the 2 finger quadruple 
tap.

So, open the quick settings as described above and while in quick settings 
swipe to the feature you want to move.  Let's use, Activities, as an 
example.

Swipe to Activities, and you'll hear selected Activities, now swipe one more 
time to, reorder Activities.  Here do a single finger swipe up to either 
move up or move down, and do asingle finger double tap.

It'll move in the direction you selected and you'll receive confirmation 
from Voiceover of it's action.  Any of these items can be moved in the same 
way from it's reorder... option.  Now close out and using the 2 finger 
quadruple tap gesture you can open the quick settings to see if the features 
are arranged the way you want them.




Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: bentleyj1...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 7:57 PM
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor


Can I reorder these VO quick settings?  If so, how?

James B

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
William James
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO 
settings, it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A 
double magic tap., so to speak.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of William James
> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
> not the Rotor
>
> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way 
> down to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen 
> Recognition in there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset. 
> Think of this as the rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings 
> instead.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
>
>
>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>Mike:
>
>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I 
> am running 16.02 on a SE 2020.
>
>
>
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread bentleyj1952

Can I reorder these VO quick settings?  If so, how?

James B  

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of William 
James
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 5:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO settings, 
it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A double 
magic tap., so to speak.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:42 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> William James
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> the Rotor
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> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down 
> to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
> there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
> rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.
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> 
>Mike:
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>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Chris Chaffin

Mike,

I can definitely say that Apple Accessibility was not correct.  I am running 
ios 15, and after turning on screen recognition and then going to quick 
settings found in Voiceover settings, screen recognition is a choice that you 
can have in your quick settings list.
Now, as you mentioned, I do not know if having an iPhone SE makes a difference 
or not.

Chris


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> Hi Holly,
>  
> According to Apple Accessibility or, at least the person I talked to, if I 
> were to update to iOS16 that would solve the problem but, apparently not.  
> Maybe this only happens with certain model phones?  I would be curious to 
> find out what they would say to someone running iOS16 on an SE2020 phone.  
> Well, I'll wait and see what happens.  Thanks for the input.
>  
>  
> Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

A 2 finger quadruple tap brings it up so you can adjust whatever settings you 
have in there.




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Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 

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the Rotor

If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down to 
the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max


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Mike:
 
Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I 
am running 16.02 on a SE 2020.



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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread William James

If you swipe one more time to the right of Quick Settings in the VO settings, 
it will tell you.  I’ll tell you though. 

You activate Quick Settings by tapping four times with two fingers.  A double 
magic tap., so to speak.


Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

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> Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 
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> the Rotor
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> If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down 
> to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
> there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
> rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone Pro Max
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>On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:
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> 
>Mike:
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>Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Holly

Mike:

I solved the problem.  I remembered that I had screen recognition turned off in 
voice over recognition in the voice over settings.  Once I turned it on again, 
it appeared in the voice over quick settings.

  Check voice over recognition  and see if screen recognition is turned off or 
on.

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Carolyn

Then, how do you use Quick Settings? 

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the Rotor

If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down to 
the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in 
there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the 
rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.

Sent from my iPhone Pro Max

On Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:

Mike:

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I 
am running 16.02 on a SE 2020.

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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Hi Holly,

According to Apple Accessibility or, at least the person I talked to, if I 
were to update to iOS16 that would solve the problem but, apparently not. 
Maybe this only happens with certain model phones?  I would be curious to 
find out what they would say to someone running iOS16 on an SE2020 phone. 
Well, I'll wait and see what happens.  Thanks for the input.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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Mike:

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread William James

If you go to settings > Accessibility > VoiceOver > and go all the way down to the end, you will see quick settings.  You will find Screen Recognition in there.  Only a few things are selected at the outset.  Think of this as the rotor, but you are adding choices to Quick Settings instead.Sent from my iPhone Pro MaxOn Oct 4, 2022, at 6:04 PM, Holly  wrote:



Mike:
 
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread chrisjudge1967

Hi. Go to settings, accessibility, voice over. Near the bottom is an option for 
quick settings. You have to go in there and select the things you wish to 
appear in voice over quick settings. The process is similar to adding and 
removing things from the router, you can select, deselect and reorder things.

 

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Mike:

 

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
running 16.02 on a SE 2020.

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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Holly

Mike:

Screen recognition is not in my Voice Over quick settings either, and I am 
running 16.02 on a SE 2020.

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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Hi Richard,

I listened to the podcast this morning but, he doesn't answer the question I 
was asking.  I've since talked to Apple Accessibility and I posted their 
answer earlier.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 2:13 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor


Well, I wish I knew.
Thomas Donnville does a podcast about it on AppleVis.com.
I do not remember having to add it to quick settings.
How to Configure and Use VoiceOver Quick Settings on iOS
scribd.com












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  On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Mike B.  wrote:


  
  Hi Richard,

  I took Screen Recognition off the rotor but, how do I add it to Quick 
Settings?  It's not in Quick Settings to turn on.


  Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 5:37 PM
  Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor


  After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition 
accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it 
in Quick Settings.

  The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

  Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

  This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it 
may be useful.

  To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting 
you want to enable and do a one finger double tap.



  HTH,

  Richard, USA.

  “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe



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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Mike, I went ahead and double checked Thomas Donnville's podcast. It was done on September 16, 2021.So unless he had a time machine, he was using iOS 15 and Screen Recognition was in his Quick settings choices.He did not say anything about adding things to the quick settings, at least not in the first 4 minutes or so. the whole thing is about 10 minutes long; so you may want to give it a listen.That or try Apple again and see if you get someone who actually knows what the hell they are talking about.Richard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Oct 4, 2022, at 2:14 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:Well, I wish I knew.Thomas Donnville does a podcast about it on AppleVis.com.I do not remember having to add it to quick settings.How to Configure and Use VoiceOver Quick Settings on iOSscribd.com



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Hi Richard,
 
I took Screen Recognition off the rotor but, how do I add 
it to Quick Settings?  It's not in Quick Settings to turn on.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 5:37 PM
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick 
Settings, not the Rotor


After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen 
recognition accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and 
put it in Quick Settings.
The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned 
on.
Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change 
what is focused, accidentally turning on various settings will 
happen.
This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will 
lessen the problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places 
where it may be useful.
To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  
Find the setting you want to enable and do a one finger double 
tap.
 
HTH,
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in the Universe
 
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Well, I wish I knew.Thomas Donnville does a podcast about it on AppleVis.com.I do not remember having to add it to quick settings.How to Configure and Use VoiceOver Quick Settings on iOSscribd.comRichard, USA.“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John RuskinMy web site: https://www.turner42.comOn Oct 4, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Mike B.  wrote:






Hi Richard,
 
I took Screen Recognition off the rotor but, how do I add 
it to Quick Settings?  It's not in Quick Settings to turn on.
 
 
Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers! 

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 5:37 PM
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick 
Settings, not the Rotor


After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen 
recognition accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and 
put it in Quick Settings.
The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned 
on.
Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change 
what is focused, accidentally turning on various settings will 
happen.
This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will 
lessen the problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places 
where it may be useful.
To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  
Find the setting you want to enable and do a one finger double 
tap.
 
HTH,
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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Okay, I called Apple accessibility and they said that the Screen Recognition 
feature isn't showing in Voiceover / Quick Settings because I'm not running 
iOS16...

They didn't explain why or why not but, all they said was that it wouldn't 
as well as other features like Screen Recognition won't show in Voiceover / 
Quick Settings to ve selected or unselected until an individual has updated 
to iOS16..., it was an update feature that came along with iOS16.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

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From: Mike B.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2022 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, 
not the Rotor


Hi Richard,

I took Screen Recognition off the rotor but, how do I add it to Quick 
Settings?  It's not in Quick Settings to turn on.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 5:37 PM
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor


After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition 
accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it 
in Quick Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it 
may be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.



HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with 
t.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe



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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Hi Richard,

I took Screen Recognition off the rotor but, how do I add it to Quick 
Settings?  It's not in Quick Settings to turn on.


Take care.  Mike.  Sent from my iBarstool.  Go Dodgers!

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2022 5:37 PM
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor


After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition 
accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it 
in Quick Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it 
may be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.



HTH,

Richard, USA.

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t.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe



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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Barbara Stahl

My phone has done that when reading emails for what seems like forever.  I 
don't know if i've ever had it behave any differently with email.  

> On Oct 4, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I 
> believe. Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, 
> or line, it doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or 
> whatever. Then flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your 
> rotor will have changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have 
> your choice to trash the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says 
> trash. So the rotor is switching just because I make a flick to the right 
> without changing anything. I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to 
> duplicate.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> Hi Richard,
>>  
>> I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the 
>> rotor where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever 
>> happening to me unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular 
>> rotor item like screen recognition at which point of course a flick up or 
>> down will toggle this on or off. Can you give specific examples about this?
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
>> the Rotor
>>  
>> After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition 
>> accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it 
>> in Quick Settings.
>> The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.
>> Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
>> accidentally turning on various settings will happen.
>> This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
>> problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it 
>> may be useful.
>> To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
>> want to enable and do a one finger double tap.
>>  
>> HTH,
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.” 
>>  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>>  
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

If I am  in the open message, and turn the rotor to words and flick down, it 
reads word by word until I do another gesture.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 10:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

 

Hi I tried marry’s example and when I turne the roader to words and flicked 
down with one finger it brought me right to trash it didn’t read the message at 
all. So this is a bug? From Mich.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: October 4, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

 

Mary, you nailed it.

I should have given that example.

Well done.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

 

I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I believe. 
Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, or line, it 
doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or whatever. Then 
flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your rotor will have 
changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have your choice to trash 
the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says trash. So the rotor is 
switching just because I make a flick to the right without changing anything. 
I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to duplicate.

Mary

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Richard,

 

I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the rotor 
where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening to me 
unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like screen 
recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle this on or 
off. Can you give specific examples about this?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

 

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

 

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread michv

Hi I tried marry’s example and when I turne the roader to words and flicked 
down with one finger it brought me right to trash it didn’t read the message at 
all. So this is a bug? From Mich.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: October 4, 2022 1:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

Mary, you nailed it.

I should have given that example.

Well done.

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I believe. 
Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, or line, it 
doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or whatever. Then 
flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your rotor will have 
changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have your choice to trash 
the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says trash. So the rotor is 
switching just because I make a flick to the right without changing anything. 
I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to duplicate.

Mary

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

Hi Richard,

I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the rotor 
where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening to me 
unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like screen 
recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle this on or 
off. Can you give specific examples about this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

Mary, you nailed it.

I should have given that example.

Well done.

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2022 9:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not 
the Rotor

 

I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I believe. 
Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, or line, it 
doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or whatever. Then 
flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your rotor will have 
changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have your choice to trash 
the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says trash. So the rotor is 
switching just because I make a flick to the right without changing anything. 
I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to duplicate.

Mary

 

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel mailto:siegh...@live.ca> > wrote:

 

Hi Richard,

 

I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the rotor 
where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening to me 
unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like screen 
recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle this on or 
off. Can you give specific examples about this?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

 

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

 

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Re: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread Mary Otten

I am not richard, but here is an example of what he is talking about I believe. 
Open a Mail message. Set your rotor to read by word, or character, or line, it 
doesn’t really matter. Flick down to read a couple of words or whatever. Then 
flick once to the right. The next time you flick down, your rotor will have 
changed and you will be sent to the bottom where you have your choice to trash 
the message or whatever. In my case, every time it says trash. So the rotor is 
switching just because I make a flick to the right without changing anything. 
I’m sure there are others, but this one is easy to duplicate.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2022, at 10:52 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Richard,
>  
> I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the 
> rotor where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening 
> to me unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like 
> screen recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle 
> this on or off. Can you give specific examples about this?
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
> Rotor
>  
> After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition 
> accidentally getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it 
> in Quick Settings.
> The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.
> Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
> accidentally turning on various settings will happen.
> This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
> problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it 
> may be useful.
> To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
> want to enable and do a one finger double tap.
>  
> HTH,
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
>  
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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-04 Thread chrisjudge1967

I keep all my voice over settings under voice over quick settings now. I have 
taken all that stuff out of the router.

 

Chris Judge

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: October 3, 2022 9:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

 

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.

The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.

Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.

This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.

To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

 

HTH,

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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RE: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the Rotor

2022-10-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Hi Richard,

I am curious about your statement abut Apple having to fix a bug with the rotor 
where things randomly get turned on. I don't recall this ever happening to me 
unless of course I accidently had focus on a particular rotor item like screen 
recognition at which point of course a flick up or down will toggle this on or 
off. Can you give specific examples about this?

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2022 5:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommendation: put Screen Recognition in VO Quick Settings, not the 
Rotor

After my experience with the BARDMobile app and screen recognition accidentally 
getting turned on, I have taken it out of the rotor and put it in Quick 
Settings.
The advantage is that it cannot be accidentally turned on.
Until Apple fixes the Rotor so it doesn’t randomly change what is focused, 
accidentally turning on various settings will happen.
This one can reak havvoc, so moving it to Quick Settings will lessen the 
problems it can cause while leaving it available for those places where it may 
be useful.
To open Quick Settings, do a two finger quadruple tap.  Find the setting you 
want to enable and do a one finger double tap.

HTH,
Richard, USA.
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Re: how to remove a way the activity and some others from the rotor?

2022-06-06 Thread Jennie Facer

Hi Anthony,

Can you tell us what you mean by switch control? I think that is a issue in the 
touch settings under accessibility.

I can tell you how to delete things from your rotor.

1. Go to settings, accessibility, VoiceOver, rotor
2. Swipe right through these items. If they say selected, then they are in your 
rotor. If they just announce the item without saying selected, then they are 
not in there. Do deselect them, just double tap on them. There are also reorder 
buttons next to them. You can move them up or down depending on how you want 
the presented. You have to drag them around to accomplish this. Hope this helps,

Jenn

Jenn and Kumi

> On Jun 6, 2022, at 6:07 AM, anthonyborg...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi
>  
> Can someone explain to me how to remove some items from the rotor? Like for 
> example activity.
> I also would like to know if the switch control should be on or off?
> I have an iphone se.
> Thanks in advance
>  
> Anthony
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how to remove a way the activity and some others from the rotor?

2022-06-06 Thread anthonyborg001

Hi 

 

Can someone explain to me how to remove some items from the rotor? Like for
example activity. 

I also would like to know if the switch control should be on or off? 

I have an iphone se. 

Thanks in advance 

 

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How to use Quick Settings in iOS 15 to simplify the Rotor

2021-10-12 Thread Richard Turner

Thomas Domville did a very nice podcast on Applevis.com about the Quick 
Settings feature now in iOS 15.
I recommend taking the time to listen to it.
https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/how-configure-and-use-voiceover-quick-settings-ios

HTH,





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RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-03 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

If your region is set to Australia then that is the first thing you should fix.
This is easily done in Settings > General > Language and Region.
First make sure your Language is set to English and then further down that your 
Region is set to United States.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Sunday, May 2, 2021 6:13 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: FW: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 11:59 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

HI Sieghard,
I know about taking focus away from the rotor, and that I did.  The phone won’t 
let me delete any voices.  The phone some way some how, has my region as 
Australia instead of US America.  This is a total mess! LOL!   I know I 
wouldn’t have made such a mistake to download a voice from Australia though.  I 
went through the voice options, and I seen Siri 1, Siri 2, Siri 3, Siri 4, and 
I double tapped on Siri 4, and it downloaded, and that is when my nightmare 
began.  So it looks like I only have two choices and those are either throw the 
phone out the window, or do what Apple recommended for me to do, and that is to 
do a network reset!  LOL!  Thank you so much for all your help though.  It is 
greatly appreciated.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Janet, if you still have the Australian voice in the rotor then you have 
downloaded it and you first hav eto go to Voiceover Settings > Speech and 
delete it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.

Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross 
mailto:janet.harv...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get m

Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-02 Thread Mike B

Hi Janet,

Yes the voices can be removed, read the notes below to learn how.

 Note: If you only use the Siri voice for Siri the voices are not 
downloaded, they work from the Internet.
But, if you want to listen to or use the voices for voice over, the voices 
have to be downloaded to the device.
I did not know this until I downloaded all of them to listen to, from with 
in voice-over settings.

 Original Message
From: Loy
IOS 14.5 has 4 Siri voices with no description of what kind of voice they 
are. So I downloaded all 4 to test them. Now I would like to delete the ones
I don't like, but I can't find a way to do this. Anyone know how?
Loy


From: Dominique Farrell
When this happened to me after I downloaded two Irish Siri Voices to listen 
to, and then I wanted to delete one of them, and only have the one Voice for
VoiceOver & Siri, Apple advised me to go to “LANGUAGE & REGION” in “SETTINGS 
& GENERAL” and then change the region from your region to another one, and
then go back into “VOICEOVER VOICES” and you can then delete the individual 
voices.  After deleting the voices, go back into “LANGUAGE & REGION” again,
and select your chosen region to be saved.  Steps below:
To delete unwanted Siri voices do the following:


list of 7 items
1. Go to “SETTINGS and double tap on it.

2. Swipe to “GENERAL” and double tap.

3. Go to “LANGUAGE & REGION” and double tap.

4. Change your default region to another one and double tap on change to 
whatever one you’ve chosen.

5.  Go to “VOICEOVER & Voices” and double tap on the voice that’s selected.

6.  Swipe to the voices you wish to delete and swipe up with one finger to 
delete and double tap.

7. Go back into “LANGUAGE & REGION” again and select your default region 
from the list of regions and double tap on it.
list end


This will delete all Siri voices that you don’t want.

Dominique


From: Mike B
Hi Dominique,

Well I thank you very much, this worked like a charm.  It's relatively 
simple as well.  For others that would like to remove the new Siri voices, 
and maybe
others, but I'm not sure, try the following:

Note: I use US English, so make sure you choose a region whose language or 
dialect you'll understand!
1. Go to Settings / General / Language and Region and do a single finger 
double tap to open.

2. Swipe to, Region, and do a single finger double tap to open.

3. Find your region and do a single finger double tap to select.  You'll get 
a confirmation dialogue asking if you're sure you want to change, so single
finger tap the, Change to..., region option.  You might or might not get a 
message stating that your iPhone will restart and it only takes a second or
2.

4. Now go to, Accessibility / Voiceover / Speech, and delete the voices you 
want removed.

5. Now repeat steps 1 thru 3, but selecting your original region.



Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: janet gross
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2021 6:14 PM
Subject: FW: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.




From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Richard,
I’ve been trying to delete the voices I don’t want, but the phone will not 
even let me do that!  According to Apple, we can’t delete any voice that is 
region specific to ones region that we have already downloaded!  I don’t 
believe that!  Apple says the only choice I have is to do a network reset, 
and that’s not very encouraging!  LOL!  I see in the language and region 
option, Australia is set as my default, and no matter how I try to change 
back to my US American as my default, again, the phone won’t let me do that. 
Having said all this, chances are I will probably have to do the network 
reset.  You know Richard, my phone xr10 was working fine, until this ….. 
update iOS 14.5.  The native weather app is no good now either, and I used 
to use that weather app everyday to check the weather, but I think it is 
giving me the weather conditions for Australia, as well as the time.  For an 
example the weather app is telling me today is Sunday April 29-2021 at 12:34 
AM, and the weather is 6 degrees.  I’m in the US and the temperature is in 
the 60’s time is 9:59 PM!  Thank you so much for all your help as it is 
appreciated.

Janet
LOL!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

If you do not want those rotor languages, flick up to delete and double tap.
You do not need other languages/voices unless you want them.
The only one you need is under speech, voice.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner

FW: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-02 Thread janet gross

From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Richard,
I’ve been trying to delete the voices I don’t want, but the phone will not even 
let me do that!  According to Apple, we can’t delete any voice that is  region 
specific to ones region that we have already downloaded!  I don’t believe that! 
 Apple says the only choice I have is to do a network reset, and that’s not 
very encouraging!  LOL!  I see in the language and region option, Australia is 
set as my default, and no matter how I try to change back to my US American as 
my default, again, the phone won’t let me do that.  Having said all this, 
chances are I will probably have to do the network reset.  You know Richard, my 
phone xr10 was working fine, until this ….. update iOS 14.5.  The native 
weather app is no good now either, and I used to use that weather app everyday 
to check the weather, but I think it is giving me the weather conditions for 
Australia, as well as the time.  For an example the weather app is telling me 
today is Sunday April 29-2021 at 12:34 AM, and the weather is 6 degrees.  I’m 
in the US and the temperature is in the 60’s time is 9:59 PM!  Thank you so 
much for all your help as it is appreciated.

Janet
LOL!

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 10:40 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

If you do not want those rotor languages, flick up to delete and double tap.
You do not need other languages/voices unless you want them.
The only one you need is under speech, voice.

Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com

On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:07 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Richard,
Ok under rotor languages, it says English Australia Karen button actions 
available  button, under that it says English US Samantha button actions 
available, under that it says add new languages.  I double tap on US Samantha, 
and it says selected.  I already turned off the language detection option a 
couple of days ago.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.

Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com

On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor lan

FW: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-02 Thread janet gross

From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 11:59 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

From: janet gross
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

HI Sieghard,
I know about taking focus away from the rotor, and that I did.  The phone won’t 
let me delete any voices.  The phone some way some how, has my region as 
Australia instead of US America.  This is a total mess! LOL!   I know I 
wouldn’t have made such a mistake to download a voice from Australia though.  I 
went through the voice options, and I seen Siri 1, Siri 2, Siri 3, Siri 4, and 
I double tapped on Siri 4, and it downloaded, and that is when my nightmare 
began.  So it looks like I only have two choices and those are either throw the 
phone out the window, or do what Apple recommended for me to do, and that is to 
do a network reset!  LOL!  Thank you so much for all your help though.  It is 
greatly appreciated.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2021 10:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Janet, if you still have the Australian voice in the rotor then you have 
downloaded it and you first hav eto go to Voiceover Settings > Speech and 
delete it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.

Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don&#x

RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Janet, if you still have the Australian voice in the rotor then you have 
downloaded it and you first hav eto go to Voiceover Settings > Speech and 
delete it.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 5:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.

Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com

On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-05-01 Thread Sieghard Weitzel

Just move focus away from the Language rotor. You can't remove the language 
rotor, as soon as you have more than one language installed it's there so the 
only way would be to delete all other languages except for Samantha if that 
what you want to use.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 4:38 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

Hi Everyone, 
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.  

Janet   

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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread Richard Turner

If you do not want those rotor languages, flick up to delete and double tap.
You do not need other languages/voices unless you want them.
The only one you need is under speech, voice.



Richard
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On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:07 PM, janet gross  wrote:


Richard,
Ok under rotor languages, it says English Australia Karen button actions 
available  button, under that it says English US Samantha button actions 
available, under that it says add new languages.  I double tap on US Samantha, 
and it says selected.  I already turned off the language detection option a 
couple of days ago.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
ro

RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread janet gross

Richard,
Ok under rotor languages, it says English Australia Karen button actions 
available  button, under that it says English US Samantha button actions 
available, under that it says add new languages.  I double tap on US Samantha, 
and it says selected.  I already turned off the language detection option a 
couple of days ago.

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 8:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.



Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com




On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread Johnna Simmons

Hi there,

I have a question.  I have lots of music in my iTunes library.  Is thereThanks.
Johnna

Johnna Simmons

> On Apr 30, 2021, at 8:02 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
>  You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than 
> one language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default 
> language.
> So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not 
> see Language in the rotor.
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
>>> On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
>>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
>> appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
>> phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in 
>> which I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid 
>> of her, and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was 
>> saying, so now, I did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question 
>> is how can I remove the language from my rotor as this keeps changing 
>> voices? In my rotor when I flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I 
>> flick up again voiceover reads something else I don't understand, I flick up 
>> again, voiceover reads English.  I went in to the rotors settings, and I see 
>> language is selected and it shows dim.  I double tap to deselect language, 
>> but it still shows selected-dim.  I flick up, voiceover reads move down, I 
>> flic up again voiceover reads move up, I flick up again voiceover reads 
>> activate default.  The language is still in my rotor.  I restart my phone, 
>> but then another language comes up when the phone comes on.  Does anyone 
>> know of any other way to deselect an item from the rotor, if so, I would 
>> greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know how language snuck 
>> in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't have to make 
>> another call back to Apple.
>> 
>> Janet
>> 
>> Peace Be With You.
>> 
> 
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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread Richard Turner

One thing to remember, Apple uses the word language, to also refer to voices.
It sounds like you have at least two other voices set.
Also, unless you turn it off under VoiceOver speech settings, when using the 
default voice if another language is encountered on the web or even in an 
email, VoiceOver will automatically switch voices.

Open VoiceOver, speech, and go down to rotor languages and see what you have 
there.
In that same area of the settings, speech, before the rotor languages is an 
item called, DetectLanguages that you want to say Off.




Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 5:32 PM, janet gross  wrote:


Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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RE: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread janet gross

Hi Richard,
I only have the one language as my default. I’ve never added language to the 
rotor either.  Although, in the rotor a female’s  voice says English default, I 
swipe up again, then a male’s voice says Australia, I swipe up again then  
another female’s voice says US English.  I think I made some kind of headway 
when I went in to the language and region settings though, because at least it 
now says in the rotor US English default instead of saying Australia default.  
Although, I went back in to the language and region settings, and the default 
was set to Australian.   I selected English US as default, and I got a message 
saying if I select US English, this setting will restart my phone, I still 
selected the US English, but the phone didn’t restart, and I didn’t get any 
message to confirm this setting such as saving the setting, so I just closed it 
out.  I went back and sure enough, US English is not set as my default though.  
Although now in the rotor I do hear the US language, but the two other 
languages are still there, and rather I’m  reading the news, or just swiping 
the voices will suddenly change!  I only know one language and that is US 
English, that is wy I wouldn’t have added language to the rotor.  Apple says 
they haven’t heard anyone else talking about this issue that I’m having!  Can 
you imagine!  LOL!  This isn’t good!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2021 7:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:
Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Re: Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread Richard Turner

You cannot remove language from the rotor, it appears if you have more than one 
language selected, that is, a rotor language as well as the default language.
So, if you only have the default voice, my understanding is, you should not see 
Language in the rotor.



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 30, 2021, at 4:38 PM, janet gross  wrote:

Hi Everyone,
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.

Janet

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Removing Selected Items From The Rotor Help Please.

2021-04-30 Thread janet gross

Hi Everyone, 
Ok, now I could have sworn I removed language from my Rotor, but now, it 
appears language is back on the rotor.  I spent quite a bit of time on the 
phone with Apple, and I explained my issue I was having with my phone in which 
I downloaded Siri 4 after updating to iOS 14.5, and I couldn't get rid of her, 
and I couldn't seem to understand quite a bit of what she was saying, so now, I 
did get my voiceover default Samantha back.  My question is how can I remove 
the language from my rotor as this keeps changing voices? In my rotor when I 
flick up, voiceover reads Australia   default, I flick up again voiceover reads 
something else I don't understand, I flick up again, voiceover reads English.  
I went in to the rotors settings, and I see language is selected and it shows 
dim.  I double tap to deselect language, but it still shows selected-dim.  I 
flick up, voiceover reads move down, I flic up again voiceover reads move up, I 
flick up again voiceover reads activate default.  The language is still in my 
rotor.  I restart my phone, but then another language comes up when the phone 
comes on.  Does anyone know of any other way to deselect an item from the 
rotor, if so, I would greatly appreciate if you would share!  I don't even know 
how language snuck in to my rotor, as I never put it there.  I'm hoping I don't 
have to make another call back to Apple.  

Janet   

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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-07 Thread Alison May

I am talking about the blind down menu which has various options.

Sent from my iPhone by Alison may
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> On 7 Apr 2021, at 5:27 am, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> Hi what menu are you talking about?  Janet
> 
>> On 06/04/2021 21:58, CJ & AA MAY wrote:
>> Once I too found that voice-over wasn't telling me the screen messages but 
>> then discovered that I'd accidentally unticked accessibility in the menu.
>> Alison
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
>> Bell
>> Sent: 05 April 2021 17:36
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
>> landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I 
>> have the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet
>> 
>>> On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:
>>> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
>>> touch. From Mich.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Joshua Hendrickson
>>> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>> 
>>> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
>>> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
>>> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
>>> 
>>> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded
>>>> me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not
>>>> show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use
>>>> the standard text entry.
>>>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it
>>>> says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>>>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says
>>>> Direct Touch area.  Things just work.
>>>> 
>>>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct
>>>> Touch in iOS 1.4.4?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
>>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>>>> Of Brad Snyder
>>>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>>> 
>>>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>>>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last
>>>> item in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>>>> - Brad -
>>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
>>>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>>>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>>>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>>>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says
>>>> “direct touch area.”
>>>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you
>>>> flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
>>>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My web site,
>>>> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
>>>> ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61
>>>> a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6375323425
>>>> 18223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIi
>>>> LCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P4
>>>> 7IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>

Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-06 Thread Janet Bell

Hi Esther, glad I could help its just a shame it doesn't work for me Janet

On 06/04/2021 21:14, Esther wrote:
hi, Janet and everyone, thank you all for your comments and
suggestions. Janet, your suggestion worked.

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Janet Bell wrote:

Hi Esther I take it from reading posts below this that when you get
to direct touch in the rota if it is on you double tapp to turn it
off and vice versa. hope that helps a bit Janet

On 05/04/2021 13:48, Robert Doc Wright wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?

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*From:* Esther <mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
*Subject:* adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to
the rotor. Everything else I want is in there, but for some
reason it does not stay there. I don't know what I am doing
wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or anything. I
would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-06 Thread Janet Bell


Hi what menu are you talking about?  Janet

On 06/04/2021 21:58, CJ & AA MAY wrote:

Once I too found that voice-over wasn't telling me the screen messages but then 
discovered that I'd accidentally unticked accessibility in the menu.
Alison
  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: 05 April 2021 17:36
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I have 
the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet

On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:

In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
touch. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.

On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:

What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded
me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not
show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use
the standard text entry.
But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it
says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says
Direct Touch area.  Things just work.

Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct
Touch in iOS 1.4.4?



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last
item in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says
“direct touch area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you
flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site,
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61
a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6375323425
18223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIi
LCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P4
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf
Of Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!



On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
- Original Message -
From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not
stay there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there
was a save button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks 
a bunch.
Esther
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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-06 Thread CJ & AA MAY

Once I too found that voice-over wasn't telling me the screen messages but then 
discovered that I'd accidentally unticked accessibility in the menu.
Alison
 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: 05 April 2021 17:36
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I have 
the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet

On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:
> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
> touch. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just 
> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good 
> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
>
> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded 
>> me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not 
>> show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use 
>> the standard text entry.
>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it 
>> says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says 
>> Direct Touch area.  Things just work.
>>
>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct 
>> Touch in iOS 1.4.4?
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last 
>> item in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>> - Brad -
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner 
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says 
>> “direct touch area.”
>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you 
>> flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site,
>> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=h
>> ttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61
>> a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6375323425
>> 18223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIi
>> LCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P4
>> 7IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
>> Of Esther
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright 
>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
>> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
>> Ev

Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-06 Thread Esther

hi, Janet and everyone, thank you all for your comments and suggestions. Janet, 
your suggestion worked. 

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> On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Esther I take it from reading posts below this that when you get to direct 
> touch in the rota if it is on you double tapp to turn it off and vice versa.  
> hope that helps a bit Janet
> 
> On 05/04/2021 13:48, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
>> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
>> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
>> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay 
>> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save 
>> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. 
>> Esther
>> 
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

thanks for the tip. It was a big help. Take care.

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> On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:19 PM, Janet Bell  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Esther I take it from reading posts below this that when you get to direct 
> touch in the rota if it is on you double tapp to turn it off and vice versa.  
> hope that helps a bit Janet
> 
> On 05/04/2021 13:48, Robert Doc Wright wrote:
>> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
>> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
>> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay 
>> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save 
>> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. 
>> Esther
>> 
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

RS games is also self voicing. Esther I RS Games is also self voicing. Esther

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> On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jannett blind drive is self voicing though so you don't need vo to run it 
> only to start the game and then toggle vo off and the game should just run 
> fine. Btw I am running a I phone 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
> Bell
> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:36 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
> 
> Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
> landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I 
> have the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet
> 
>> On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:
>> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
>> touch. From Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Joshua Hendrickson
>> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
>> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
>> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
>> 
>>> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
>>> was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
>>> rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
>>> entry.
>>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
>>> Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
>>> area.  Things just work.
>>> 
>>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
>>> iOS 1.4.4?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
>>> Snyder
>>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>> 
>>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
>>> the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>>> - Brad -
>>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
>>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
>>> touch area.”
>>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
>>> up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> My web site,
>>> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>>> Esther
>>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>> 
>>> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>>> 
>>> Sent From Esther'

Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

I get the same thing in RS Games. Esther

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> On Apr 5, 2021, at 12:33 PM, Mich Verrier  wrote:
> 
> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
> touch. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
> 
> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
> 
>> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
>> was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
>> rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
>> entry.
>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
>> Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
>> area.  Things just work.
>> 
>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
>> iOS 1.4.4?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>> 
>> 
>> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
>> Snyder
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
>> the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>> - Brad -
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
>> touch area.”
>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
>> up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Richard
>> 
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>> 
>> 
>> My web site,
>> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>> Esther
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>> 
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
>> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>> 
>> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
>> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay
>> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save
>> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch.
>> Esther
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>> --
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>> list.
>>

RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Carolyn

I can't see how Direct Touch would be good for someone totally blind, but 
possibly people with partial sight might prefer it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just type in 
text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good for a blind 
person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.

On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded 
> me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not 
> show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the 
> standard text entry.
> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it 
> says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct 
> Touch area.  Things just work.
>
> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch 
> in iOS 1.4.4?
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Brad Snyder
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item 
> in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
> - Brad -
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner 
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says 
> “direct touch area.”
> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you 
> flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site,
> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=ht
> tp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a0
> 8d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6375323425182
> 23178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB
> TiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3
> jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Esther
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright 
> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not 
> stay there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there 
> was a save button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. 
> Thanks a bunch.
> Esther
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

Do you have the accessibility shortcut set to triple tap the home button or 
side switch to turn VoiceOver on or off?
If so, start the game, and turn off VoiceOver.

If not, tell Siri to turn off VoiceOver, then tell Siri Goodbye so it gets off 
the screen and you are in your game.


Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 9:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I have 
the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet

On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:
> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
> touch. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just 
> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good 
> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
>
> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded 
>> me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not 
>> show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use 
>> the standard text entry.
>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it 
>> says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says 
>> Direct Touch area.  Things just work.
>>
>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct 
>> Touch in iOS 1.4.4?
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site, 
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> urner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C30278379e916446156cc08d8f850d8aa
>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532373411772552%7CUn
>> known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
>> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=b50w%2FA8fZ21sMnNALMa2sucO%2B4cedw
>> vzYRkSUAmgoj8%3D&reserved=0<https://na01.safelinks.protection.out
>> look.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C
>> 30278379e916446156cc08d8f850d8aa%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7
>> C1%7C0%7C637532373411772552%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
>> DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=b5
>> 0w%2FA8fZ21sMnNALMa2sucO%2B4cedwvzYRkSUAmgoj8%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
>> Of Brad Snyder
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last 
>> item in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>> - Brad -
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner 
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says 
>> “direct touch area.”
>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you 
>> flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical 
>> object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site,
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.t
>> urner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C30278379e916446156cc08d8f850d8aa
>> %7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532373411772552%7CUn
>> known%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
>> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=b50w%2FA8fZ21sMnNALMa2sucO%2B4cedw
>> vzYRkSUAmgoj8%3D&reserved=0<https:/

RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Mich Verrier

Hi Jannett blind drive is self voicing though so you don't need vo to run it 
only to start the game and then toggle vo off and the game should just run 
fine. Btw I am running a I phone 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: April 5, 2021 12:36 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I 
have the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet

On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:
> In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
> touch. From Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
> Hendrickson
> Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
> type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
> for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.
>
> On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
>> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
>> was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
>> rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
>> entry.
>> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
>> Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
>> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
>> area.  Things just work.
>>
>> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
>> iOS 1.4.4?
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
>> Snyder
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
>> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
>> the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
>> - Brad -
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
>> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
>> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
>> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
>> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
>> touch area.”
>> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
>> up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>>
>> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
>> realize that you are in a hurry.
>>
>>
>> My web site,
>> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
>> Esther
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>>
>> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
>> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
>> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>>
>> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
>> Everything else I want is in

Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Janet Bell

Hi Mich I get that but then no sound whatsoever.  my phone has gone into 
landscape at this point and it doesn't say blind drive either so maybe I 
have the name wrong but I don't think so.  Janet


On 05/04/2021 17:32, Mich Verrier wrote:

In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
touch. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.

On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:

What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
entry.
But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
area.  Things just work.

Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
iOS 1.4.4?



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
touch area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
up to turn it on and you should be good to go.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site,
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!



On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
- Original Message -
From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay
there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save
button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch.
Esther
Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Mich Verrier

In the blind drive game you will get a prompt to turne the roder to derrect 
touch. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: April 5, 2021 12:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.

On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
> was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
> rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
> entry.
> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
> Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
> area.  Things just work.
>
> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
> iOS 1.4.4?
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
> Snyder
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
> the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
> - Brad -
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
> touch area.”
> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
> up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site,
> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Esther
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay
> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save
> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch.
> Esther
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

I don’t use much of the blindfold games, the one I use doesn’t involve any text 
entry.
Is this game self-voicing?  If so, Unload VoiceOver.

If not, then Direct Touch should show up in the rotor and you can turn the 
rotor to it and flick up and then turn the rotor away from that so you don’t 
toggle it back off and you are supposed to be able to continue with the game.
If not, you absolutely need to contact both the developer and Apple 
Accessibility.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Janet 
Bell
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 9:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor


Hi Richard sometimes when you are playing blindfold games or other games you're 
screen keeps saying direct touch and you can't go anywhere else so do you know 
how to stop that from happening?  Janet
On 05/04/2021 16:59, Richard Turner wrote:
What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it was 
there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the rotor 
unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text entry.
But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says 
Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch 
area.  Things just work.

Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in iOS 
1.4.4?



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce4d0efc08934f90726108d8f8501149%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532370055223908%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=BAIeup61EMB7L2kxyuUOccaeOJW0hEJwx1VZeLfv290%3D&reserved=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Brad 
Snyder
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in the 
rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct touch 
area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick up 
to turn it on and you should be good to go.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, 
www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cce4d0efc08934f90726108d8f8501149%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532370055233872%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Bmahoqnr46yQ52H%2B7sjsQPaTWyQgttqpFVnkiG1yzOo%3D&reserved=0>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!




On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright 
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
- Original Message -
From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay there. 
I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or 
anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Janet Bell

Hi Richard sometimes when you are playing blindfold games or other games
you're screen keeps saying direct touch and you can't go anywhere else
so do you know how to stop that from happening? Janet

On 05/04/2021 16:59, Richard Turner wrote:

What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded
me it was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not
show up in the rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the
standard text entry.

But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it
says Direct Touch Area and keep typing.

I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct
Touch area. Things just work.

Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch
in iOS 1.4.4?

Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

My web site, www.turner42.com <http://www.turner42.com>

*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com *On Behalf
Of *Brad Snyder

*Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.

On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item
in the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.

- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.

It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.

If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.

You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says
“direct touch area.”

If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you
flick up to turn it on and you should be good to go.

Richard

Ralph's Observation: It is a mistake to allow any mechanical
object<>to realize that you are in a hurry.

My web site, www.turner42.com
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no, I was not in and edit field. Esther an edit field. Esther

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?

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*Sent:*Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM

*Subject:*adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added
to the rotor. Everything else I want is in there, but for some
reason it does not stay there. I don't know what I am doing
wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or anything. I
would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Janet Bell

Hi Esther I take it from reading posts below this that when you get to 
direct touch in the rota if it is on you double tapp to turn it off and 
vice versa.  hope that helps a bit Janet


On 05/04/2021 13:48, Robert Doc Wright wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?

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*Sent:* Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
*Subject:* adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to
    the rotor. Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason
it does not stay there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I
didn't think there was a save button or anything. I would
appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Joshua Hendrickson

Maybe I've never seen anything about direct touch since I usually just
type in text edit boxes.  Direct touch seems like it wouldn't be good
for a blind person to use and wouldn't be of much help to us.

On 4/5/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it
> was there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the
> rotor unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text
> entry.
> But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says
> Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
> I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch
> area.  Things just work.
>
> Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in
> iOS 1.4.4?
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad
> Snyder
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
> On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in
> the rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
> - Brad -
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
> 
> I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
> It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
> If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
> You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct
> touch area.”
> If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick
> up to turn it on and you should be good to go.
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to
> realize that you are in a hurry.
>
>
> My web site,
> www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Esther
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
>
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 7+!
>
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright
> mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther<mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
>
> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor.
> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay
> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save
> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch.
> Esther
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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

What I find interesting about that rotor item, now that you reminded me it was 
there, it was selected on my rotor items, but it does not show up in the rotor 
unless you are using an app that does not use the standard text entry.
But in iOS 14.4.x apple fixed it so you just ignore VoiceOver when it says 
Direct Touch Area and keep typing.
I have never found a need to turn the rotor when VoiceOver Says Direct Touch 
area.  Things just work.

Do you have an example where you have turned the rotor to Direct Touch in iOS 
1.4.4?



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Brad 
Snyder
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 8:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in the 
rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.
- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct touch 
area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick up 
to turn it on and you should be good to go.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


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www.turner42.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C9edf7a6fce454735d61a08d8f849a81b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637532342518223178%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QjD%2BD6MmWNpdVqq6BWEP8P47IGT3jLNUd%2BjmqQX5DSo%3D&reserved=0>



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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright 
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay there. 
I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or 
anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Brad Snyder

Direct touch can indeed be added or removed from the rotor.
On my iPhone 12 pro, running iOS 14.4.2, direct touch is the last item in the 
rotor category. I am able to toggle it on or off as desired.

- Brad -

On Apr 5, 2021, at 10:20, Richard Turner  wrote:


I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct touch 
area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick up 
to turn it on and you should be good to go.
 
 
 
Richard
 
Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.
 
 
My web site, www.turner42.com
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor
 
no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther
 
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On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright  wrote:


Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
 
hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay there. 
I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or 
anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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RE: adding direct touch to the rotor

I do not believe it is something you add or remove from the rotor.
It is an Apple thing to “help” with accessiblility.
If you are on iOS 14.4 it should not be a problem.
You should be able to just go ahead and type even though it says “direct touch 
area.”
If it won’t let you type, turn the rotor and it will be there and you flick up 
to turn it on and you should be good to go.



Richard

Ralph's Observation:  It is a mistake to allow any mechanical object<>to 
realize that you are in a hurry.


My web site, www.turner42.com<http://www.turner42.com>



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 7:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

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On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright 
mailto:yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay there. 
I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or 
anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

no, I was not in and edit field. Esther  an edit  field. Esther

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> On Apr 5, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Robert Doc Wright  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
> Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor
> 
> hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
> Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay 
> there. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save 
> button or anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. 
> Esther
> 
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Re: adding direct touch to the rotor

2021-04-05 Thread Robert Doc Wright

Are you in an edit field wen you are looking for it?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Esther 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 5, 2021 6:23 AM
  Subject: adding direct touch to the rotor

  hi, everyone, I am having trouble keeping direct touch added to the rotor. 
Everything else I want is in there, but for some reason it does not stay there. 
I don't know what I am doing wrong. I didn't think there was a save button or 
anything. I would appreciate your enlightening me. Thanks a bunch. Esther

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