Attaching pictures to an email in iOS 9.1

[Wayne Merritt]

Greetings. I need to send an email and attach two pictures to it. I
have written the text of the message on my Bluetooth keyboard, but
couldn't find a way to attach the file/pictures to the message. I have
saved the message in my drafts. I would like to put both pictures in
the same message rather than sending separate messages. How would I do
this?

Thanks,
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Re: Attaching pictures to an email in iOS 9.1

[joseph hudson]

Hi Wayne, under the photos thing there is the share button. You will want to 
hit that button once you've selected one of the photos. Or both of them. They 
want to selectable photos hit the share button, didn't choose mail. The 
pictures will be attached. Then you can entered the text in the body of the 
message.
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> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:29 AM, Wayne Merritt  wrote:
> 
> Greetings. I need to send an email and attach two pictures to it. I
> have written the text of the message on my Bluetooth keyboard, but
> couldn't find a way to attach the file/pictures to the message. I have
> saved the message in my drafts. I would like to put both pictures in
> the same message rather than sending separate messages. How would I do
> this?
> 
> Thanks,
> Wayne Merritt
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Adding relationships: ios 9.1. New 6S.

[Jenifer Barr]

Hi all.
For some reason my contacts relationship to me didn't carry over to my new 
phone. Meaning, when I go into my contact, my mom isn't listed as mother, my 
brother as brother etc. I went into their contacts added the relationship, but 
it's still not showing up in my contact. What am I missing? 


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Re: Adding relationships: ios 9.1. New 6S.

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Jen, you add the relationships in your own contact record, not the contact 
of the people concerned.
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> On 18/11/2015, at 4:46 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
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> Hi all.
> For some reason my contacts relationship to me didn't carry over to my new 
> phone. Meaning, when I go into my contact, my mom isn't listed as mother, my 
> brother as brother etc. I went into their contacts added the relationship, 
> but it's still not showing up in my contact. What am I missing? 
> 
> 
> Jen Barr
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Re: Adding relationships: ios 9.1. New 6S.

[Jenifer Barr]

Thank you Jonathan. I appreciate it. I couldn't remember.  Barr
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 17, 2015, at 1:49 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:
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> Hi Jen, you add the relationships in your own contact record, not the contact 
> of the people concerned.
> Jonathan Mosen
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> 
>> On 18/11/2015, at 4:46 AM, Jenifer Barr  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all.
>> For some reason my contacts relationship to me didn't carry over to my new 
>> phone. Meaning, when I go into my contact, my mom isn't listed as mother, my 
>> brother as brother etc. I went into their contacts added the relationship, 
>> but it's still not showing up in my contact. What am I missing? 
>> 
>> 
>> Jen Barr
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: IOS 9.1 questions

[MattFromFlorida]

Have you taken everything out of the foreground and out of the app switcher and 
rebooted the phone?


Thanks,
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Subject: IOS 9.1 questions


Hello,

Perhaps my questions are related to my Iphone 6 and/or Ios 9.1.  I'm finding 
various minor issues that I'm curious about.

Some of my games no longer work.  De Steno Games won't even load, Audio Archery 
and Audio Run open but don't work.  I've also noticed that I can only adjust 
the volume when some sort of sound is coming out and not when the phone is 
silent.  Is there a setting for this.

No doubt I'll notice more things as time goes on.  In my humble opinion I don't 
think the 6 is an improvement. Since I can't see the screen I'm not crazy about 
the larger size and I really don't like where the power button is.  IF I have 
the phone in my palm and adjust the volume it's easy to also press the power 
button at the same time.  I don't expect any answers...just a little rant.  grin

Kim

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IOS 9.1 questions

[Kim Samco]

Hello,

Perhaps my questions are related to my Iphone 6 and/or Ios 9.1.  I'm finding 
various minor issues that I'm curious about.

Some of my games no longer work.  De Steno Games won't even load, Audio Archery 
and Audio Run open but don't work.  I've also noticed that I can only adjust 
the volume when some sort of sound is coming out and not when the phone is 
silent.  Is there a setting for this.

No doubt I'll notice more things as time goes on.  In my humble opinion I don't 
think the 6 is an improvement. Since I can't see the screen I'm not crazy about 
the larger size and I really don't like where the power button is.  IF I have 
the phone in my palm and adjust the volume it's easy to also press the power 
button at the same time.  I don't expect any answers...just a little rant.  grin

Kim

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Re: IOS 9.1 questions

[Kim Samco]

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:26 AM, MattFromFlorida <matt.from.flor...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Anything that is open and you can use it on the home page . but have you 
> closed everything out and rebooted since you had this problem?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> matt.from.flor...@gmail.com
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kim Samco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:17 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IOS 9.1 questions
> 
> 
> I regularly clean out the app switcher and reboot my phone.  What do you mean 
> by the foreground?
> 
> Kim
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:08 AM, MattFromFlorida <matt.from.flor...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Have you taken everything out of the foreground and out of the app switcher 
>> and rebooted the phone?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> matt.from.flor...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Kim Samco
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: IOS 9.1 questions
>> 
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> Perhaps my questions are related to my Iphone 6 and/or Ios 9.1.  I'm finding 
>> various minor issues that I'm curious about.
>> 
>> Some of my games no longer work.  De Steno Games won't even load, Audio 
>> Archery and Audio Run open but don't work.  I've also noticed that I can 
>> only adjust the volume when some sort of sound is coming out and not when 
>> the phone is silent.  Is there a setting for this.
>> 
>> No doubt I'll notice more things as time goes on.  In my humble opinion I 
>> don't think the 6 is an improvement. Since I can't see the screen I'm not 
>> crazy about the larger size and I really don't like where the power button 
>> is.  IF I have the phone in my palm and adjust the volume it's easy to also 
>> press the power button at the same time.  I don't expect any answers...just 
>> a little rant.  grin
>> 
>> Kim
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Re: IOS 9.1 questions

[Kim Samco]

I regularly clean out the app switcher and reboot my phone.  What do you mean 
by the foreground?

Kim



> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:08 AM, MattFromFlorida <matt.from.flor...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Have you taken everything out of the foreground and out of the app switcher 
> and rebooted the phone?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> matt.from.flor...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kim Samco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS 9.1 questions
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Perhaps my questions are related to my Iphone 6 and/or Ios 9.1.  I'm finding 
> various minor issues that I'm curious about.
> 
> Some of my games no longer work.  De Steno Games won't even load, Audio 
> Archery and Audio Run open but don't work.  I've also noticed that I can only 
> adjust the volume when some sort of sound is coming out and not when the 
> phone is silent.  Is there a setting for this.
> 
> No doubt I'll notice more things as time goes on.  In my humble opinion I 
> don't think the 6 is an improvement. Since I can't see the screen I'm not 
> crazy about the larger size and I really don't like where the power button 
> is.  IF I have the phone in my palm and adjust the volume it's easy to also 
> press the power button at the same time.  I don't expect any answers...just a 
> little rant.  grin
> 
> Kim
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RE: IOS 9.1 questions

[MattFromFlorida]

Anything that is open and you can use it on the home page . but have you closed 
everything out and rebooted since you had this problem?


Thanks,
matt.from.flor...@gmail.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kim Samco
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 9.1 questions


I regularly clean out the app switcher and reboot my phone.  What do you mean 
by the foreground?

Kim



> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:08 AM, MattFromFlorida <matt.from.flor...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Have you taken everything out of the foreground and out of the app switcher 
> and rebooted the phone?
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> matt.from.flor...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Kim Samco
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2015 12:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: IOS 9.1 questions
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Perhaps my questions are related to my Iphone 6 and/or Ios 9.1.  I'm finding 
> various minor issues that I'm curious about.
> 
> Some of my games no longer work.  De Steno Games won't even load, Audio 
> Archery and Audio Run open but don't work.  I've also noticed that I can only 
> adjust the volume when some sort of sound is coming out and not when the 
> phone is silent.  Is there a setting for this.
> 
> No doubt I'll notice more things as time goes on.  In my humble opinion I 
> don't think the 6 is an improvement. Since I can't see the screen I'm not 
> crazy about the larger size and I really don't like where the power button 
> is.  IF I have the phone in my palm and adjust the volume it's easy to also 
> press the power button at the same time.  I don't expect any answers...just a 
> little rant.  grin
> 
> Kim
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I do use an iPad, but I can't recall it happening before the update. At either 
case, where that, exactly? I can't see it in general...

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

>
>
> Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
> There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
> It is under the general settings I think.
> Richard
> L
> 
> > On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello,
> > On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
> > doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But 
> > it's too random for a pattern. 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
> > Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
> > 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >> 
> >> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
> >> mailing
> >> list.
> >> 
> >> SUMMARY:
> >> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
> >> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
> >> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
> >> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
> >> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
> >> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
> >> alerts, only.
> >> 
> >> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
> >> upon the level of the screen brightness.
> >> 
> >> SCENARIO:
> >> 1.
> >> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
> >> quickly unlock the device.
> >> 
> >> 2.
> >> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
> >> can
> >> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
> >> 
> >> 3.
> >> Now lock the screen.
> >> 
> >> 4.
> >> Receive a text message from someone.  
> >> 
> >> 5.
> >> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
> >> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
> >> 
> >> CONCLUSION:
> >> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
> >> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
> >> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
> >> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
> >> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
> >> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
> >> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
> >> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
> >> 
> >> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
> >> most frequently used apps.
> >> 
> >> Mark
> >> 
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Rajmund]

Hello,
On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But it's 
too random for a pattern. 

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

>
>
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries mailing
> list.
> 
> SUMMARY:
> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
> alerts, only.
> 
> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
> upon the level of the screen brightness.
> 
> SCENARIO:
> 1.
> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
> quickly unlock the device.
> 
> 2.
> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you can
> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
> 
> 3.
> Now lock the screen.
> 
> 4.
> Receive a text message from someone.  
> 
> 5.
> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
> 
> CONCLUSION:
> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
> 
> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
> most frequently used apps.
> 
> Mark
> 
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Richard Turner]

Under general, there is a setting called "lock/unlock" which if it is on, will 
lock the screen when you close the case, assuming you have a "smart cover" case.
If the lock/unlock setting is off, then closing the lid will do nothing.
HTH,
Richard


> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I do use an iPad, but I can't recall it happening before the update. At 
> either case, where that, exactly? I can't see it in general...
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:04 pm
> Subject: Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
>> There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
>> It is under the general settings I think.
>> Richard
>> L
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
>>> doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But 
>>> it's too random for a pattern. 
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
>>> Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>>>> mailing
>>>> list.
>>>> 
>>>> SUMMARY:
>>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
>>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
>>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>>>> alerts, only.
>>>> 
>>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>>> 
>>>> SCENARIO:
>>>> 1.
>>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>>> 
>>>> 2.
>>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
>>>> can
>>>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>>>> 
>>>> 3.
>>>> Now lock the screen.
>>>> 
>>>> 4.
>>>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>>>> 
>>>> 5.
>>>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>>>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>>>> 
>>>> CONCLUSION:
>>>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
>>>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>>>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
>>>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
>>>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
>>>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>>>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>>>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>>>> 
>>>> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
>>>> most frequently used apps.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
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>>>> owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself.
>>>> 
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>>>> you

Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[rajmund]

Hello,
Hmmm, I toggled it, but right now, it's not locking, either ways.

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 8 Nov 2015, at 6:23 p.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> As far as I know, which isn't very far, that feature is only for iPads, and I 
> thought only for certain cases. So, try turning that feature off and see if 
> it changes any of the behavior. If not, turn it back on.
> Sorry I can't be more clear. You might also call Apple.
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:47 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> hello,
>> I already have hello,I just have a general case, and I already have 
>> lock/unlock enabled. Should it be disabled?
>> 
>> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
>> 
>>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 3:41 p.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Under general, there is a setting called "lock/unlock" which if it is on, 
>>> will lock the screen when you close the case, assuming you have a "smart 
>>> cover" case.
>>> If the lock/unlock setting is off, then closing the lid will do nothing.
>>> HTH,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I do use an iPad, but I can't recall it happening before the update. At 
>>>> either case, where that, exactly? I can't see it in general...
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:04 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
>>>>> There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
>>>>> It is under the general settings I think.
>>>>> Richard
>>>>> L
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
>>>>>> doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But 
>>>>>> it's too random for a pattern. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>>> From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
>>>>>> Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SUMMARY:
>>>>>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>>>>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
>>>>>>> enabled,
>>>>>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>>>>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered 
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as 
>>>>>>> opposed
>>>>>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text 
>>>>>>> message
>>>>>>> alerts, only.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>>>>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> SCENARIO:
>>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order 
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain 
>>>>>>

Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Richard Turner]

As far as I know, which isn't very far, that feature is only for iPads, and I 
thought only for certain cases. So, try turning that feature off and see if it 
changes any of the behavior. If not, turn it back on.
Sorry I can't be more clear. You might also call Apple.
Later,
Richard


> On Nov 8, 2015, at 8:47 AM, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> I already have hello,I just have a general case, and I already have 
> lock/unlock enabled. Should it be disabled?
> 
> Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 
> 
>> On 8 Nov 2015, at 3:41 p.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Under general, there is a setting called "lock/unlock" which if it is on, 
>> will lock the screen when you close the case, assuming you have a "smart 
>> cover" case.
>> If the lock/unlock setting is off, then closing the lid will do nothing.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> I do use an iPad, but I can't recall it happening before the update. At 
>>> either case, where that, exactly? I can't see it in general...
>>> 
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:04 pm
>>> Subject: Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
>>>> There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
>>>> It is under the general settings I think.
>>>> Richard
>>>> L
>>>> 
>>>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
>>>>> doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But 
>>>>> it's too random for a pattern. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Original Message -
>>>>> From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
>>>>> Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>> list.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SUMMARY:
>>>>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>>>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
>>>>>> enabled,
>>>>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>>>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>>>>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as 
>>>>>> opposed
>>>>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>>>>>> alerts, only.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>>>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> SCENARIO:
>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>>>>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 3.
>>>>>> Now lock the screen.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 4.
>>>>>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 5.
>>>>>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>>>>>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> CONCLUSION:
>>>>>> Even when an alert is rec

Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[Richard Turner]

Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
It is under the general settings I think.
Richard
L

> On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
> doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But it's 
> too random for a pattern. 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
> Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries mailing
>> list.
>> 
>> SUMMARY:
>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>> alerts, only.
>> 
>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>> 
>> SCENARIO:
>> 1.
>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>> quickly unlock the device.
>> 
>> 2.
>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you can
>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Now lock the screen.
>> 
>> 4.
>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>> 
>> 5.
>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>> 
>> CONCLUSION:
>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>> 
>> My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
>> most frequently used apps.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
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Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[rajmund]

hello,
I already have hello,I just have a general case, and I already have lock/unlock 
enabled. Should it be disabled?

Sent from an iPad. Please excuse any spelling errors. 

> On 8 Nov 2015, at 3:41 p.m., Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Under general, there is a setting called "lock/unlock" which if it is on, 
> will lock the screen when you close the case, assuming you have a "smart 
> cover" case.
> If the lock/unlock setting is off, then closing the lid will do nothing.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 6:24 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I do use an iPad, but I can't recall it happening before the update. At 
>> either case, where that, exactly? I can't see it in general...
>> 
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Richard Turner  <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:04 pm
>> Subject: Re: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Are you using an iPad with a smart cover?
>>> There is a setting for iPads to unlock when you open the case.
>>> It is under the general settings I think.
>>> Richard
>>> L
>>> 
>>>> On Nov 8, 2015, at 2:40 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> On a similar note, I've found that if you lock the screen, sometimes, it 
>>>> doesn't stay locked. If I open the case, for example, it'll unlock. But 
>>>> it's too random for a pattern. 
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message -
>>>> From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Date: Sunday, November 8, 2015 2:34 am
>>>> Subject: A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries 
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SUMMARY:
>>>>> One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
>>>>> multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is 
>>>>> enabled,
>>>>> receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
>>>>> display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
>>>>> same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
>>>>> to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
>>>>> alerts, only.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
>>>>> upon the level of the screen brightness.
>>>>> 
>>>>> SCENARIO:
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
>>>>> quickly unlock the device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you 
>>>>> can
>>>>> see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 3.
>>>>> Now lock the screen.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 4.
>>>>> Receive a text message from someone.  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 5.
>>>>> If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
>>>>> giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.
>>>>> 
>>>>> CONCLUSION:
>>>>> Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off 
>>>>> until
>>>>> activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
>>>>> will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert 
>>>>> is
>>>>> dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so 
>>>>> alerts.
>>>>> However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
>>>>> screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
>>>>> collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
>>>>> reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.
>>>>&

A Definite Battery Drainer in iOS 9.1 of Which to Be Aware

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

I am cross-posting this to both the v iPhone and the Mac Visionaries mailing
list.

SUMMARY:
One glitch I've noticed in iOS 9.1, that I was finally able to verify on
multiple devices, this week, is that, sometimes, when VoiceOver is enabled,
receiving a text message alert will first wake up and then prevent the
display from going to sleep.  To be more precise, I have encountered this
same glitch when any app is set to display notification alerts, as opposed
to banners but have decided, for brevity's sake, to focus on text message
alerts, only.

This can cause a great deal of battery drain, in a short time, depending
upon the level of the screen brightness.

SCENARIO:
1.
Make certain you have your device set to use your fingerprint in order to
quickly unlock the device.

2.
Set the message notification to sounds and alerts; also make certain you can
see the messages in both your notification center and on the lock screen.

3.
Now lock the screen.

4.
Receive a text message from someone.  

5.
If the glitch happens, the screen will wake up, displaying a dialog box
giving you the option to either close the alert or reply to the message.

CONCLUSION:
Even when an alert is received, the display is supposed to remain off until
activated by the user.  However, on a very intermittent basis, the alert
will wake up the screen and it will not go back to sleep until the alert is
dismissed.  I estimate that this happens once out of every 20 or so alerts.
However, when it happens, the battery will just sit there and drain as the
screen remains active until the alert is dismissed.  This also has the
collateral affect of heating up the phone.  I have not attempted to
reproduce this issue on any device not running VoiceOver.

My solution to this is to switch the alert notifications to banners for my
most frequently used apps.

Mark

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Question regarding adding a person to a text message conversation afterword with VoiceOver IOS 9.1

[Shai]

Hello all,
I am aware that a person can be added to a text message when initially
addressing it; however, I was wondering if there is a means by which
one can be added into a text message with VoiceOver while the
conversation is in progress? I attempted to Google this and it seems
that to perform this action one would go to the details button and
then tap on add contact; however, I can not find this option.
Thank you in advance for any responses

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Oriol Gómez]

The reason why your keyboard shortcuts show up is because they are
part of your iCloud.. :)

On 10/24/15, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He
> is the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and
> at a rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have
> tolerated her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her,
> probably never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice
> always.
>
>
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the
> memory!
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
>
> Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has
> improved.  You might like it now.
>
> Take care,
> Lois
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
>
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot
>
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds
> better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
>
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard
> shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup.
>
> All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were
>
> in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did
>
> not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with
> this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
>
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Everyone,
>>
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>>
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>>
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers,
>>
>> I
>> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
>> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver,
>> after
>> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).
>>
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking
>> the
>> phone.
>>
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
>> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
>> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
>> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8,
>> has
>> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>>
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice
>> somewhat
>> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
>> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of
>> texts,
>> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
>> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).
>>
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>>
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also,
>> the
>> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a
>> Bluetooth
>> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only
>> dictates
>> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then
>> the
>> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
>> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver,
>> begins
>> to dictate to itself.
>>
>> 5.
>> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me
>> as
>> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
>> turned of

RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

in retrospect, you are correct that is a voiceover and not an apple sound.


Ray T. Mahorney
WA4WGA


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 11:53
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

Hi Sieghard,

That’s interesting, I get no unlock sound when I unlock either with my 
fingerprint, or by entering my passcode. In fact, I believe the sound you’re 
hearing is the VoiceOver sound for when a screen changes, which in my use, 
doesn’t always play either, depending on how fast the phone unlocks.
Try turning VO off and unlocking it with touch ID, you’ll get no unlock sound 
at all.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
> there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and 
> it doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home 
> button.
> As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
> Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty darn 
> hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly unlock it 
> on the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it only wakes up 
> to the lock screen, then there is no sound.
> I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of 
> Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> 
> Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my fingerprint, 
> there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is silent.  Either 
> way, it doesn't bother me.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of 
> Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> 
> I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
> usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
> announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
> not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
>> <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes 
>>> the current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there 
>>> is now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
>>> unlocking the device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Christina C.]

I suspected that the keyboard shortcuts were saved in iCloud. However, I 
commented on this because in Mark’s original email he made the following 
statement and I had never experienced what he wrote. Maybe I misunderstood and 
we are talking about two different things. :)
>From Mark, :Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the 
>difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.:  

Christina
> On Oct 26, 2015, at 12:43 AM, Oriol Gómez  wrote:
> 
> The reason why your keyboard shortcuts show up is because they are
> part of your iCloud.. :)

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Daniel Miller]

Hi,

The lock sound is different than the unlock sound that used to be present in 
iOS 6 and earlier. Apple removed that sound starting with 7 when you unlock the 
device, and it hasn’t returned since. I honestly think the sound you guys are 
hearing is a VoiceOver sound.
Can someone provide me audio of what they hear so I can confirm?
> On Oct 24, 2015, at 7:16 AM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have an iPad, without a password, and I get the lock unlock sounds.
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Daniel Miller  <miller...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:52 pm
> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
> Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Sieghard,
>> 
>> That's interesting, I get no unlock sound when I unlock either with my 
>> fingerprint, or by entering my passcode. In fact, I believe the sound you're 
>> hearing is the VoiceOver sound for when a screen changes, which in my use, 
>> doesn't always play either, depending on how fast the phone unlocks.
>> Try turning VO off and unlocking it with touch ID, you'll get no unlock 
>> sound at all.
>> 
>>> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
>>> there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and 
>>> it doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home 
>>> button.
>>> As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
>>> Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty 
>>> darn hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly 
>>> unlock it on the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it 
>>> only wakes up to the lock screen, then there is no sound.
>>> I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Sieghard
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Lois Butterfield
>>> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
>>> Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
>>> 
>>> Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my 
>>> fingerprint, there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is 
>>> silent.  Either way, it doesn't bother me.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Lois
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
>>> Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
>>> 
>>> I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since 
>>> I usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
>>> announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
>>> not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
>>>> <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>>>> Richard
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
>>>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is 
>>>>> now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
>>>>> unlocking the device.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Mark
>>>>> 
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RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rose Combs]

I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He is 
the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and at a 
rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have tolerated 
her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her, probably 
never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice always.  


Rose Combs
roseco...@q.com
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
improved.  You might like it now.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
> I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).
>
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
> the
> phone.
>
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
> has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).
>
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only 
> dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then 
> the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, 
> begins
> to dictate to itself.
>
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were 
> plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen 
> such
> a thing before.
>
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
>
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air)

Voices Was Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Shawn Krasniuk]

Yeah. I also like Alex. Sometimes I'll use the Siri voices or Daniel, but I 
start leaning back towards Alex. I don't get what's so "Creepy" about him. Is 
it the fact that he takes breaths? I wish more voices would do that. I've said 
for years that I think it would be cool if Apple made a female version of Alex. 
Maybe they could make her sound better than how Alex sounds now. Who knows 
what'll happen in the future though. By the way, I know this ain't the Mac 
list, but I find myself going back to Alex on there too.

Shawn
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> On Oct 24, 2015, at 2:21 PM, Rose Combs <roseco...@q.com> wrote:
> 
> I tried newer voices on 9.0 and decided that I like Alex still the best.  He 
> is the only man in my life, reads me to sleep often, keeps me informed and at 
> a rate I can tolerate.  My old iPad Mini is stuck with Samantha, I have 
> tolerated her for years on a phone, on other devices, have never liked her, 
> probably never will, but if I have to use her I use the higher quality voice 
> always.  
> 
> 
> Rose Combs
> roseco...@q.com
> A picture may be worth a thousand words but it takes up three times the 
> memory!
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:42 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
> improved.  You might like it now.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
> better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
> shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
> All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
> in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
> not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
> this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>> 
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.
>> 
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
>> I
>> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
>> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
>> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).
>> 
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
>> the
>> phone.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
>> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
>> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
>> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
>> has
>> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
>> somewhat
>> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
>> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
>> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
>> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).
>> 
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.
>> 
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
>> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetoo

Re: better finger print identification in IOS 9.1

[Paul Hunt]

No. You only need one.

> On Oct 24, 2015, at 4:05 AM, 'Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone 
> <viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> does it need to have more than one fingerprint on file?
>  
>  
> Ray T. Mahorney
> WA4WGA
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Paul and Paula Jordan
> Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:27
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: better finger print identification in IOS 9.1
>  
> Hi, all.  I have been using the finger print to unlock my phone for several 
> months.  It’s been inconsistent to say the least.  In fact, I finally gave up 
> on it a couple of weeks ago totally and just went with a pass code.  However, 
> when I updated to IOS 9.1 I decided to give it a try again.  I set the first 
> finger with my thumb as I have done in the past, and, by Golly, it’s been 
> working quite nicely for the past two days.  Boy, I hope this keeps up.  
> Smiley.
> God bless!
> Paula and Boston
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RE: better finger print identification in IOS 9.1

['Ray T. Mahorney' via VIPhone]

does it need to have more than one fingerprint on file?

 

 

Ray T. Mahorney

WA4WGA

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Paul and Paula Jordan
Sent: Saturday, October 24, 2015 1:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: better finger print identification in IOS 9.1

 

Hi, all.  I have been using the finger print to unlock my phone for several 
months.  It’s been inconsistent to say the least.  In fact, I finally gave up 
on it a couple of weeks ago totally and just went with a pass code.  However, 
when I updated to IOS 9.1 I decided to give it a try again.  I set the first 
finger with my thumb as I have done in the past, and, by Golly, it’s been 
working quite nicely for the past two days.  Boy, I hope this keeps up.  Smiley.

God bless!

Paula and Boston

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Daniel Miller]

Hi Sieghard,

That’s interesting, I get no unlock sound when I unlock either with my 
fingerprint, or by entering my passcode. In fact, I believe the sound you’re 
hearing is the VoiceOver sound for when a screen changes, which in my use, 
doesn’t always play either, depending on how fast the phone unlocks.
Try turning VO off and unlocking it with touch ID, you’ll get no unlock sound 
at all.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
> there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and 
> it doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home 
> button.
> As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
> Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty darn 
> hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly unlock it 
> on the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it only wakes up 
> to the lock screen, then there is no sound.
> I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Lois Butterfield
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
> Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> 
> Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my fingerprint, 
> there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is silent.  Either 
> way, it doesn't bother me.
> 
> Take care,
> Lois
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mary Otten
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
> Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> 
> I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
> usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
> announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
> not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
>> <richardturne...@outlook.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is 
>>> now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
>>> unlocking the device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I have an iPad, without a password, and I get the lock unlock sounds.

- Original Message -
From: Daniel Miller  <miller...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 24, 2015 12:52 pm
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

>
>
> Hi Sieghard,
> 
> That's interesting, I get no unlock sound when I unlock either with my 
> fingerprint, or by entering my passcode. In fact, I believe the sound you're 
> hearing is the VoiceOver sound for when a screen changes, which in my use, 
> doesn't always play either, depending on how fast the phone unlocks.
> Try turning VO off and unlocking it with touch ID, you'll get no unlock sound 
> at all.
> 
> > On Oct 23, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
> > there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and 
> > it doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home 
> > button.
> > As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
> > Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty 
> > darn hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly 
> > unlock it on the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it 
> > only wakes up to the lock screen, then there is no sound.
> > I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.
> > 
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Sieghard
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> > Of Lois Butterfield
> > Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
> > Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> > 
> > Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my 
> > fingerprint, there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is 
> > silent.  Either way, it doesn't bother me.
> > 
> > Take care,
> > Lois
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mary Otten
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
> > Time Announcement in iOS 9.1
> > 
> > I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since 
> > I usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
> > announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
> > not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPad
> > 
> >> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
> >> <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> >> Richard
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hello All,
> >>> 
> >>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
> >>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is 
> >>> now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
> >>> unlocking the device.
> >>> 
> >>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> >>> 
> >>> Mark
> >>> 
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RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Rose Combs]

As with the Time bug, my sounds are intermittent, sometimes I hear them, 
sometimes I do not.  iPhone 6, and 9.1.  


Rose Combs
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
> Mark
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Kimber Gardner]

I never thought of asking Siri. Lol!

On 10/22/15, Anthony Vece <ajv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I just asked Siri and Siri tells me that's fine
>
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 6s!
>
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald <colinrmcdon...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>> mine has been like that since 8.0
>>
>> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
>>
>> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier
>> today
>> that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce
>> the
>> time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
>> convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After
>> pressing
>> the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
>> under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
>>
>> Arnold Schmidt
>> - Original Message ----- From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
>> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>>
>>
>>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the
>>> following bug as reported:
>>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the
>>> Power  button to wake my device.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>>>
>>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
>>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
>>> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
>>> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
>>> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
>>> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
>>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>>>
>>> Wayne
>>>
>>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>>>> bombarded.
>>>>
>>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any
>>>>> spelling
>>>>> errors.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still
>>>>>> remain. I
>>>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>>>> upgrade.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>>>>>
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Jan Kleinhans]

Hi

I found a work around for the lick sound, at least it works for me on a 4S:
I went to settings, sounds, and then to the lock screen sound.  It was 
turned on, so I turned it off and back on again, went out of settings, and 
sure enough, the sound was back as before.  It might just work for others?


Jan Kleinhans
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To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1



There is no lock or unlock sound on my 6S.  I didn't even notice until you 
mentioned it.


Thanks,
Lois


-Original Message- 
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Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of 
Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


Hello Mark, if any sound is gone at all from the unlock or lock sounds, 
it's the unlock sound the lock sound is still there on an iPhone 5S.

On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
also

the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I don't get the loss of sound effects, either.

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Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 5:25 am
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

>
>
> Hello Mark and all,
> This bug appears to be one of those bugs that don't appear on all iPhones. I 
> do not see either of the bugs you mention on my iPhone 6. I believe you are 
> having these issues, luckily
>  I am not getting them at this time.
> Max.
>  
> > On 23 Oct 2015, at 2:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello All,
> > 
> > In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> > current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> > the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> > device.
> > 
> > I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> > 
> > Mark
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I 
upgraded to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the 
IOS 9.1 beta since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not 
optimistic this will solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.


On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.

Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
follows:

1.
Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup of 
your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
backup is encrypted.

2.
Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
SIM card installed.

3.
Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.

4.
Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.

Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install the 
OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.

On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or at 
least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
inbox.

I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we are 
now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to be 
fixed.

I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are no 
battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, but 
I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real crappy 
version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available




a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the blind.

apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
had in recent times with the blind?
only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > 
Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only situation where voices may not 
switch automatically are when you have limited storage space available on your device or poor 
internet connectivity).
list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, 

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rick Alfaro]

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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RE: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Rose Combs]

Mine in 9.1 varies, sometimes it works and sometimes not.  


Rose Combs
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Colin McDonald
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

mine has been like that since 8.0

-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


>I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
>following bug as reported:
> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
> Power  button to wake my device.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Wayne Merritt
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>
> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>
> Wayne
>
> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>> bombarded.
>>
>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>
>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
>>> spelling
>>> errors.
>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
>>>> I
>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>>
>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>>
>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Keyboard shortcuts are backed up and synchronized across devices via iCloud.
If you have two iPhones or maybe an iPhone or iPad you can test this the way I 
just did: I opened keyboard > text replacement on both my new 6S and my old 5S. 
I then entered a new shortcut which alphabetically was at the top, for example, 
"afternoon" with the shortcut "afn" just like in grade 2 braille. I did this on 
my 6S and it took maybe 5 or 6 seconds at the most when it showed up on my 5S 
where before this shortcut was not present. Very slick and useful and one of 
these things which even now "just works". 

Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a 

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[John Diakogeorgiou]

I go with the nail Siri or Samantha but the defaults not enhanced 

John Diakogeorgiou

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Cris Ali <filasti...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
> voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
> Regards,
> 
> Cris
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Christina C.
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Everyone,
>> 
>> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
>> 
>> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
>> 
>> 1.
>> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
>> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
>> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
>> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the 
>> zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
>> (smile).  
>> 
>> 2.
>> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
>> waking the phone.
>> 
>> 3.
>> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
>> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
>> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
>> declining.
>> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
>> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
>> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
>> 
>> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
>> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
>> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
>> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
>> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
>> conspiracy theory).
>> (Smile).   
>> 
>> 4.
>> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
>> 
>> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
>> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
>> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
>> one only dictates
>> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
>> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
>> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
>> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
>> 
>> 5.
>> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
>> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
>> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
>> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
>> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
>> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
>> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
>> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
>> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
>> 
>> 6.
>> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
>> 
>> 7.
>> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
>> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installin

RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

So do I.


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Richard Turner
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 8:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
> also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
> unlocking the device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
> Mark
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RE: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hmm, good observation, Lois, I just tested this and can confirm that for me 
there is no unlock sound if I just wake up the phone to the home screen and it 
doesn't seem to matter whether I use the power button or press the home button.
As soon as I use the home button with one of the fingers I registered with 
Touch Id I get the unlock sound if it unlocks completely and it's pretty darn 
hard to press that home button in any way which doesn't instantly unlock it on 
the 6S. But if I use another finger or the finger nail so it only wakes up to 
the lock screen, then there is no sound.
I always do seem to get the lock sound, though.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:10 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my fingerprint, 
there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is silent.  Either 
way, it doesn't bother me.

Take care,
Lois

-Original Message-
From: Mary Otten
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be announced. 
Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just not a big 
deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner 
> <richardturne...@outlook.com>
> wrote:
>
>
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
>
>
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the 
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is 
>> now also the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or 
>> unlocking the device.
>>
>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>
>> Mark
>>
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RE: iOS 9.1 available

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christopher,

I completely understand your pessimism on this process, in fact, I shared it 
but, I can testify that it works.  

The odds of things kind of going hay-wire are greatly increased if you 
downgraded or switched to a public release on a device that was used in a beta, 
without using the method I posted.

Remember, the key here is to set the device up, complete with activation, as a 
new device.  Just so you know, since you intend to eventually restore your 
device from a backup, when setting up the phone as a new device, you can skip 
many of the setup steps such as entering WiFi passwords, setting up iCloud, 
etc.  All of these items will be restored upon restoration from the backup.  
The only thing you want to do is to receive an incoming call on the newly 
restored phone, with a headset attached, in order to verify that the problem 
has been resolved.  

Now, let me add one more ingredient to the troubleshooting soup, as it were 
(smile).  

While highly unlikely, it is possible that you downloaded a corrupted version 
of iOS 9.1.  I know Apple loves to claim that such things don't happen but, 
take it from me, they do, albeit rarely.  Therefore, as a last resort, should 
the steps I posted do not resolve your issue, then you will want to repeat the 
process only first have iTunes re-download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, 
before installing.  

Before I performed the steps previously posted, I chose to force iTunes to 
download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, before I began.  I like to always plan 
for the worse-case scenario (smile).

In order to force iTunes to download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, all you 
need do is to delete the current copy from your computer, before launching 
iTunes.

The location of the file differs between the Mac and Windows so you can Google 
the file location or, if you are using Windows, let me know and I'll look up 
the exact folder location for you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I upgraded 
to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the IOS 9.1 beta 
since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not optimistic this will 
solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.

On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Christopher,
>
> If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
> and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
> which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
> most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
> need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.
>
> Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
> follows:
>
> 1.
> Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup 
> of your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
> backup is encrypted.
>
> 2.
> Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
> your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
> SIM card installed.
>
> 3.
> Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
> the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.
>
> 4.
> Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.
>
> Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install 
> the OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>
> I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
> attached or I lose VoiceOver.
>
> On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
>> Hi Mario,
>>
>> Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should 
>> let them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big 
>> deal for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset 
>> was connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover 
>> gone silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from 
>> what I heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been 
>> fixed or at least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly 
>> remains on whichever email you were on when you 

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Ed Worrell]

Hey Mark,

If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix the 
“helium” like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven’t noticed any bugs with 
dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to brag 
though. I didn’t see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was running 
the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between the beta 
and the current release as well, and I don’t have that phone anymore so I can’t 
help you other wise.

Ed
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Yes, that's what I have  done, too. Disable pitch change, and enhanced 
Samantha, once again, can be used.

- Original Message -
From: Ed Worrell  <blindworr...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:13 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hey Mark,
> 
> If using the Samantha voice turn of the pitch change and this seems to fix 
> the "helium" like qualities of the Samantha voice. I haven't noticed any bugs 
> with dictation, but I am on a new iPhone 6S+. and It is wonderful. *Not to 
> brag though. I didn't see any other issues like battery drain whilst I was 
> running the beta on my old iPhone 6, but something could have changed between 
> the beta and the current release as well, and I don't have that phone anymore 
> so I can't help you other wise.
> 
> Ed
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> > short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> > structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> > are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> > actually rewritten to the disk..
> > 
> > Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> > you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> > you may have added remai

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Rick,

I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.

Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Rick Alfaro
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words. 
Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
M. Taylor
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I am 
a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still persist.  
However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on 
an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot imagine 
having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, whereas in 
the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to 
force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a great 
deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins to 
dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just turned 
off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area so I'll 
see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of three 6 
plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two 
phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time 
of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, 
before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) is 
in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For whatever 
reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going from iOS 
8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In short, 
updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file structures, 
just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you are doing a 
fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are actually 
rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When you 
use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts you may 
have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via iTunes, you 
will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning you will have 
to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the two 
methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior Apple iOS 
design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option became 
available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing problems 
resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it from now on, 
when possible.

Mark

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I did that.

- Original Message -
From: M. Taylor  <mk...@ucla.edu>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 8:19 pm
Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Hello Rick,
> 
> I just hope that everyone who has noticed the degradation of the US English 
> Enhanced Voice, (Samantha) will submit a feedback report to Apple.
> 
> Mark
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rick Alfaro
> Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 9:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> She does seem to have developed somewhat of a New York accent on many words.. 
> Talk now sounds like toowalk. (grin)
> 
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Rick Alfaro
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> M. Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 3:20 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I 
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still 
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after 
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the 
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly 
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major 
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that 
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has 
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat 
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot 
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts, 
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is 
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the 
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth or 
> wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the 
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a 
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins 
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as 
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just 
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh area 
> so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a total of 
> three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of 
> those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet 
> at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge after updating than 
> they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air) 
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For 
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going 
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In 
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file 
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you 
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are 
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When 
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts 
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via 
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist, meaning 
> you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
>

How is behaving the iPhone 4s with ios 9.1?

[Luís Melo]

Hi,
I own an iPhone 4s with 8.4. Can i upgrade to 9.1?
Best regards,
Melo

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better finger print identification in IOS 9.1

[Paul and Paula Jordan]

Hi, all.  I have been using the finger print to unlock my phone for several
months.  It's been inconsistent to say the least.  In fact, I finally gave
up on it a couple of weeks ago totally and just went with a pass code.
However, when I updated to IOS 9.1 I decided to give it a try again.  I set
the first finger with my thumb as I have done in the past, and, by Golly,
it's been working quite nicely for the past two days.  Boy, I hope this
keeps up.  Smiley.

God bless!

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RE: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Let's not forget to all send emails to accessibil...@apple.com to let them know 
that this is not working consistently. This happened before, I think when iOS 7 
or 8 first came out.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kimberly
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 5:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. But 
my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. It 
isn't perfect but it mostly works.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald <colinrmcdon...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier 
> today that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will 
> announce the time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, 
> it was so convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  
> After pressing the power or home button, the time does appear on the 
> locked screen, just under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it 
> read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the 
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were 
>> not mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone 
>> privately that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone 
>> confirm? This bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and 
>> would be taken back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this 
>> included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers 
>>> aren't bombarded.
>>> 
>>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, 
>>>> just because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to 
>>>> have 50% battery before it downloads?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
>>>> spelling errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still 
>>>>> remain. I stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with 
>>>>> the initial upgrade.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
>>>>> On Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>>> 
>>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>>> 
>>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: How is behaving the iPhone 4s with ios 9.1?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Yes you can. I don't have any issues with IOS 9.1 on my iPhone 4S that I 
don't also have on my ihone 5. I'm not experiencing any issues that are 
unique to the 4S.


On 10/23/2015 03:38 PM, Luís Melo wrote:

Hi,
I own an iPhone 4s with 8.4. Can i upgrade to 9.1?
Best regards,
Melo

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure when I'll get to this. Turns out I need to work this weekend.

BTW, I've never downgraded on this phone. When I installed IOS 9, I did 
a complete restore and then restored the last backup I had taken just 
before the upgrade. I moved up to the IOS 9.1 beta but then just moved 
up to the released version of IOS 9.1. Like I said, I never down graded.


I've also been having this problem since I initially upgraded to IOS 
9.0, and I've seen it consistently on both my own iPhone 4S and my 
employer's iPhone 5.


I will give what you suggest a try though, since I do find this bug so 
frustrating.


On 10/23/2015 02:09 PM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

I completely understand your pessimism on this process, in fact, I shared it 
but, I can testify that it works.

The odds of things kind of going hay-wire are greatly increased if you 
downgraded or switched to a public release on a device that was used in a beta, 
without using the method I posted.

Remember, the key here is to set the device up, complete with activation, as a 
new device.  Just so you know, since you intend to eventually restore your 
device from a backup, when setting up the phone as a new device, you can skip 
many of the setup steps such as entering WiFi passwords, setting up iCloud, 
etc.  All of these items will be restored upon restoration from the backup.  
The only thing you want to do is to receive an incoming call on the newly 
restored phone, with a headset attached, in order to verify that the problem 
has been resolved.

Now, let me add one more ingredient to the troubleshooting soup, as it were 
(smile).

While highly unlikely, it is possible that you downloaded a corrupted version 
of iOS 9.1.  I know Apple loves to claim that such things don't happen but, 
take it from me, they do, albeit rarely.  Therefore, as a last resort, should 
the steps I posted do not resolve your issue, then you will want to repeat the 
process only first have iTunes re-download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, 
before installing.

Before I performed the steps previously posted, I chose to force iTunes to 
download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, before I began.  I like to always plan 
for the worse-case scenario (smile).

In order to force iTunes to download a fresh copy of the .IPSW file, all you 
need do is to delete the current copy from your computer, before launching 
iTunes.

The location of the file differs between the Mac and Windows so you can Google 
the file location or, if you are using Windows, let me know and I'll look up 
the exact folder location for you.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I'll give this a try this weekend, but I did restore my phone when I upgraded 
to IOS 9. I'm also running IOS 9.1, and I participated in the IOS 9.1 beta 
since I didn't figure I had anything to lose. I'm not optimistic this will 
solve the problem, but I'll give it a try.

On 10/23/2015 02:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote:

Hello Christopher,

If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.

Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
follows:

1.
Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup of 
your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
backup is encrypted.

2.
Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
SIM card installed.

3.
Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.

4.
Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.

Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install the 
OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.

On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Lois Butterfield]

Try the compact Samantha.  I have always used that, and I think it has 
improved.  You might like it now.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Christina C.

Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds 
better but I can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I 
could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone.


I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard 
shortcuts show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. 
All I did was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were 
in tact. This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did 
not need to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with 
this strange thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.


Christina

On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, 
I

am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking 
the

phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
declining.

Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, 
has

been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
somewhat

pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only 
dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then 
the

feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, 
begins

to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were 
plugged

into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen 
such

a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
(over-the-air)

is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when 
going

from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if 
you

are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference. 
When

you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between 
the

two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.

I'll be honest, 

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Christina C.]

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, indep

RE: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Cris Ali]

I am fine with samantha's default voice.  I can't deal with the high quality 
voice.  It is terrible.  Just use the default Samantha voice.
Regards,

Cris

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christina C.
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2015 6:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male Siri 
and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better but I 
can’t listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo frustrated. I have 
never had this problem before where I could not find a comfortable voice. Alex 
is way to scratchy for me. :( I’m stuck and wish I could get some of the voices 
from voice Dream reader on my phone.

I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did was 
enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. This was 
on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need to 
re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.

Christina
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple 
> engineers, I am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom 
> VoiceOver bug still persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, 
> enabling VoiceOver, after zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom. 
>  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when 
> waking the phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been 
> greatly degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with 
> every major release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily 
> declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is 
> that Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in 
> iOS 8, has been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice 
> somewhat pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  
> I cannot imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long 
> stretches of texts, whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have 
> even been at issue.  Is Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a 
> conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, 
> the feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a 
> Bluetooth or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if 
> one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, 
> then the feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop 
> ensues causing a great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, 
> hearing VoiceOver, begins to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to 
> me as though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  
> I just turned off a lot of items that were active in the background 
> app refresh area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you 
> that I updated a total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 
> 9.0.2.  Now, even though both of those two phones that were already 
> running 9.x, were plugged into an outlet at the time of the update, 
> via OTA, both had less charge after updating than they did, before the 
> update began.  I've never seen such a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA 
> (over-the-air) is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via 
> a USB cable.  For whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of 
> more problems when going from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  
> In short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and 
> file structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is 
> as if you are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data 
> clusters are actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify

Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[Rajmund]

Hello,

I'm with you; Siri voices have too many quirks, Alex is creeping me out, I'm 
with you. But, try disabling pitch change? That's the Medicine my Samantha has 
gotten, and she works since. 

- Original Message -
From: Christina C.  <blindmaclo...@gmail.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 11:37 pm
Subject: Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

>
>
> Oh man, I just upgraded to iOS 9.1 yesterday from iOS 8. I absolutely cannot 
> deal with this Samantha. I want to jump out of my chair. I tried the male 
> Siri and he sounds absolutely awful. If I slow him way down, it sounds better 
> but I can't listen to news articles and such that slowly. I am soo 
> frustrated. I have never had this problem before where I could not find a 
> comfortable voice. Alex is way to scratchy for me. :( I'm stuck and wish I 
> could get some of the voices from voice Dream reader on my phone..
> 
> I also want to comment on something strange. I have had my keyboard shortcuts 
> show up on a brand new iPhone that was not started from a backup. All I did 
> was enter my apple ID and password and my keyboard shortcuts were in tact. 
> This was on iOS 7. I remember very clearly being shocked that I did not need 
> to re-create my keyboard shortcuts. I have not experimented with this strange 
> thing on iOS 8 or 9 though.
> 
> Christina
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 1:20 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> > 
> > For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> > 
> > 1.
> > However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> > am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> > persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> > zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> > (smile).  
> > 
> > 2.
> > I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> > phone.
> > 
> > 3.
> > Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> > degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> > release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> > Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> > Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> > been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> > 
> > In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> > pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> > imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> > whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> > Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> > (Smile).   
> > 
> > 4.
> > Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> > 
> > For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> > feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> > or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> > 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> > feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> > great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> > to dictate to itself.
> > 
> > 5.
> > I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> > though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> > turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> > area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> > total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> > though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> > into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> > after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> > a thing before.
> > 
> > 6.
> > As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> > 
> > 7.
> > Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> > is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> > whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> > from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> > 
> > What is the difference between the OTA method

RE: iOS 9.1 available

[M. Taylor]

Hello Christopher,  

If you have confirmed that you have, indeed, updated your device to iOS 9.1, 
and you are still continuing to experience the VoiceOver incoming call bug, 
which occurs when the included Apple wired headset is attached, then you will 
most likely need to perform a fresh install of the OS.  To do this, you will 
need access to a computer running the latest version of iTunes.

Assuming you have such a computer, then perform the general broad steps as 
follows:  

1.
Sync your device to iTunes on your computer.  During this process, a backup of 
your device will be made.  I also suggest that you make certain that your 
backup is encrypted. 

2.
Restore your phone, via iTunes.  At the appropriate prompt, select to setup 
your phone as a new device.  Please make certain that the phone has an active 
SIM card installed.

3.
Once the phone has been setup as a new device, receive an incoming call, with 
the attached headset to make certain that the problem has been resolved.  

4.
Finally, restore the backup, which was made in step 1, back to your phone.  

Remember, restoring from a backup, even an encrypted one, does not install the 
OS but merely the settings and the apps/app data.

Good Luck,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.

On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
> Hi Mario,
>
> Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should 
> let them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big 
> deal for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
> connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
> silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
> heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or 
> at least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
> whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
> inbox.
>
> I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
> keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
> better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
> improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we 
> are now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
> publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to 
> be fixed.
>
> I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
> think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are 
> no battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, 
> but I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real 
> crappy version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.
>
>
> Regards,
> Sieghard
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Mário Navarro
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>
>
>
>
> a shame.
>
> I do not want to believe it.
> I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the 
> blind.
>
> apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
> had in recent times with the blind?
> only 5 bugs have been fixed.
> and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
> a shame
>
> These were the bugs fixed.
>
>
> Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
> list of 5 items
> • In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
> grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
> • Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
> when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
> appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
> text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare 
> websites).
> • VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
> • Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
> VoiceOver > Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only 
> situation where voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited 
> storage space available on your device or poor internet connectivity).
> list end
>
>
> Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:
>> 

Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Lois Butterfield]

There is no lock or unlock sound on my 6S.  I didn't even notice until you 
mentioned it.


Thanks,
Lois


-Original Message- 
From: joseph hudson

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:26 PM
To: 'Carol Pearson' via VIPhone
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


Hello Mark, if any sound is gone at all from the unlock or lock sounds, it's 
the unlock sound the lock sound is still there on an iPhone 5S.

On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
also

the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

Mark

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Lois Butterfield]

Yes, it seems to depend on how you unlock and lock.  If I use my 
fingerprint, there is sound.  If I use the power button to unlock, it is 
silent.  Either way, it doesn't bother me.


Take care,
Lois

-Original Message- 
From: Mary Otten

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 11:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic 
Time Announcement in iOS 9.1


I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.

Mary


Sent from my iPad

On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
wrote:



i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard



On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:

Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
also

the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

Mark

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Jan Kleinhans]

Hi

I can indeed confirm this, using a 4S with ios 9.1.  That sound feedback 
often helped me if, for some reason, speech was not coming from the phone. 
I hope this will be fixed, even if it is a small thing.


Jan Kleinhans
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Subject: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time 
Announcement in iOS 9.1




Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now 
also

the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

Mark

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,

I found out the reason, it didn't like IMessage plus downloading the update. 
Once I left it, it instantly updated. When I came up, I saw the light of the 
screen, so knew it was updating,  but  it worried me for a sec. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:30 pm
Subject: RE: iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> Yes, I believe if you are not plugged in you have to be above 50% for the 
> update to start.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> rajmund
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Hello,
> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because 
> I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery before 
> it downloads?
> 
> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
> errors.
> 
> > On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> > stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
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> > Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > Attention everyone:
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> > iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release) 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
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RE: iOS 9.1 available

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, I believe if you are not plugged in you have to be above 50% for the 
update to start.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
rajmund
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because I 
can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery before it 
downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.

> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
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> Attention everyone:
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> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release) 
> 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,
First, IOS9.2 is the first thing I've really played with. So, I'm not sure what 
8 was like. But just after almost 2 months,  we already had 3 bug fixes, so 
hopefully, they'll fix the rest of it, too. 

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:29 pm
Subject: RE: iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> Hi Mario,
> 
> Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should 
> let them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big 
> deal for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
> connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
> silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
> heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or 
> at least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
> whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
> inbox.
> 
> I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
> keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
> better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
> improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we 
> are now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
> publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to 
> be fixed.
> 
> I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
> think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are 
> no battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, 
> but I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real 
> crappy version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mário Navarro
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
> 
> 
> a shame.
> 
> I do not want to believe it.
> I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the 
> blind.
> 
> apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
> had in recent times with the blind?
> only 5 bugs have been fixed.
> and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
> a shame
> 
> These were the bugs fixed.
> 
> 
> Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
> list of 5 items
> • In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
> grouped conversation rather than saying "multiple messages".
> • Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
> when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
> appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
> text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare 
> websites).
> • VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
> • Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
> VoiceOver > Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only 
> situation where voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited 
> storage space available on your device or poor internet connectivity).
> list end
> 
> 
> as 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:
> > Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> > stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> > Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> >
> > Attention everyone:
> >
> > iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
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RE: iOS 9.1 available

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or at 
least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
inbox.

I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we are 
now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to be 
fixed.

I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are no 
battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, but 
I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real crappy 
version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available




a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the blind.

apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
had in recent times with the blind?
only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver 
> Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only situation where 
voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited storage space 
available on your device or poor internet connectivity).
list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:
> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>
> Attention everyone:
>
> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[M. Taylor]

Hello Everyone,

Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.

For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  

1.
However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
(smile).  

2.
I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
phone.

3.
Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.

In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
(Smile).   

4.
Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  

For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
to dictate to itself.

5.
I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
a thing before.

6.
As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.

7.
Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.

What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
actually rewritten to the disk..

Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  

I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
Apple iOS design engineer.  

I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
from now on, when possible.

Mark

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Re: Mark on iOS 9.1, So Far

[rajmund]

Hello,
They can force me to Alex, I ain't using him!!! :) As for Samantha, try 
disabling pitch change, and use her? Tha works for me

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.

> On 22 Oct 2015, at 8:20 p.m., M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Well, last night, I finally installed iOS 9.1 on my 6 Plus.
> 
> For me, there are no proverbial show-stoppers.  
> 
> 1.
> However, given that I have been in an ongoing dialog with Apple engineers, I
> am a little disappointed that the camera app zoom VoiceOver bug still
> persist.  However, on a positive note, at least, enabling VoiceOver, after
> zooming in on an image, no longer cancels the zoom.  Baby steps, eh?
> (smile).  
> 
> 2.
> I am surprised at how much I miss having the time announced when waking the
> phone.
> 
> 3.
> Perhaps it's just me but I swear the quality of Samantha has been greatly
> degraded in this version.  I just don't understand why, with every major
> release since iOS 6.x, the quality of Samantha has been steadily declining.
> Of course, this is just my opinion.  What I do find interesting is that
> Samantha's pronunciation of words that were absolutely correct in iOS 8, has
> been changed and are now incorrect in iOS 9.1.
> 
> In iOS 8.x, I found the high quality version of the Samantha voice somewhat
> pleasant, in iOS 9.x, I find it unsettling, to say the least.  I cannot
> imagine having the current Samantha voice reading long stretches of texts,
> whereas in the previous iOS, this would not have even been at issue.  Is
> Apple trying to force everyone to Alex?  (Yes, a conspiracy theory).
> (Smile).   
> 
> 4.
> Also, the SMS Reply To dictation feedback problem is very, very annoying.  
> 
> For those who disagree, let me say that I respect your opinion.  Also, the
> feedback is not much of a problem if one dictates using either a Bluetooth
> or wired headset.  I suppose it is not much of an issue if one only dictates
> 1 or 2 words.  However, if one attempts to dictate a full sentence, then the
> feedback becomes problematic as a kind of feedback loop ensues causing a
> great deal of random text to be inserted as Siri, hearing VoiceOver, begins
> to dictate to itself.
> 
> 5.
> I know this comes up every time a new OS is released but it seems to me as
> though my battery drains faster since updating from 8.x to 9.1.  I just
> turned off a lot of items that were active in the background app refresh
> area so I'll see how it goes.  However, I can tell you that I updated a
> total of three 6 plus phones, yesterday, two from iOS 9.0.2.  Now, even
> though both of those two phones that were already running 9.x, were plugged
> into an outlet at the time of the update, via OTA, both had less charge
> after updating than they did, before the update began.  I've never seen such
> a thing before.
> 
> 6.
> As always, I have sent my findings to Apple.
> 
> 7.
> Finally, and I want to be clear on this:  Updating the OS OTA (over-the-air)
> is in no way the same as installing it from iTunes via a USB cable.  For
> whatever reason, there does seem to be a pattern of more problems when going
> from iOS 8.x to 9.x via OTA.
> 
> What is the difference between the OTA method and the iTunes method?  In
> short, updating OTA does not rewrite the file allocation table and file
> structures, just for starters.  When you update via iTunes, it is as if you
> are doing a fresh install as all of the file tables and data clusters are
> actually rewritten to the disk..
> 
> Want proof of this?  No problem, here's how to verify the difference.  When
> you use the OTA method, you will notice that any custom keyboard shortcuts
> you may have added remain, after the update.  However, when you update via
> iTunes, you will discover that only default keyboard shortcuts exist,
> meaning you will have to rewrite your custom keyboard shortcuts.  
> 
> I wish I could lay claim to having learned about the difference between the
> two methods, independently but I was told of the difference by a senior
> Apple iOS design engineer.  
> 
> I'll be honest, I have not used the iTunes method since the OTA option
> became available but now that I have had several of my recent syncing
> problems resolved after having used the iTunes method, I'll probably use it
> from now on, when possible.
> 
> Mark
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The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Arnold Schmidt]

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today 
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the 
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so 
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing 
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just 
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.


Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
following bug as reported:
VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
Power  button to wake my device.




-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
bombarded.

On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
battery before it downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
spelling

errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
I

stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
upgrade.


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Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Christopher Chaltain]

I still have the phone issue where I can't answer a call with my headset 
attached or I lose VoiceOver.


On 10/22/2015 12:29 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Mario,

Applevis stated that they have not yet completed testing and people should let 
them know if other bugs have been fixed. One bug which I think was a big deal 
for those who were effected was the phone issue where when a headset was 
connected your iPhone could become totally unresponsive with Voiceover gone 
silent after hanging up a phone call. As far as I can tell and from what I 
heard from others that has been fixed. Also, the focus bug has been fixed or at 
least it is fixed in apps like mail where focus now correctly remains on 
whichever email you were on when you open a message and go back out to the 
inbox.

I can't speak for any Bluetooth issues since I very rarely use a Bluetooth 
keyboard, but for the most part I think iOS 9.1 is now every bit as good or 
better than the latest release of iOS 8 was and there is definitely a huge 
improvement in how much time it took to fix some of the bugs. After all, we are 
now just a bit more than a month past the date when iOS 9 was released 
publically, with iOS 8 it took a lot longer for some of the major issues to be 
fixed.

I have no problem criticizing Apple if they drop the ball on something, but I 
think so far iOS 9.1 seems to run very stabil, it's responsive and there are no 
battery drain issues. Apple needs to be reminded about bugs which persist, but 
I don't think it's justified to totally bash them for putting out a real crappy 
version of iOS since especially 9.1 is far from crappy.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mário Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available




a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward the blind.

apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you have 
had in recent times with the blind?
only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in a 
grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by VoiceOver 
when audio ducking is enabled • Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour 
appeared to indicate that it was not possible to enter text into some webpage 
text fields (such as the Search fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver > 
Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only situation where voices may not 
switch automatically are when you have limited storage space available on your device or poor 
internet connectivity).
list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,
For me, I'm keep thinking it didn't take the press on the button, because 
speech doesn't say the time.

- Original Message -
From: Kimberly  <kimbersinbox1...@gmail.com>
To: "viphone@googlegroups.com"  <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Date: Friday, October 23, 2015 1:43 am
Subject: Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s  iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. 
> But my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. 
> It isn't perfect but it mostly works.
> 
> Sent from Kimber's iPhone
> 
> > On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald <colinrmcdon...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > 
> > mine has been like that since 8.0
> > 
> > -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> > To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> > that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> > time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> > convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> > the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> > under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> > 
> > Arnold Schmidt
> > - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
> > To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> > Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> > 
> > 
> >> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
> >> following bug as reported:
> >> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
> >> Power  button to wake my device.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
> >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> >> 
> >> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
> >> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
> >> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
> >> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
> >> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
> >> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
> >> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
> >> 
> >> Wayne
> >> 
> >>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> >>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
> >>> bombarded.
> >>> 
> >>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
> >>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
> >>>> battery before it downloads?
> >>>> 
> >>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
> >>>> errors.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
> >>>>> I
> >>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
> >>>>> upgrade.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -Original Message-
> >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> >>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
> >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> >>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Attention everyone:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
> >>>>> 
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Kimberly]

And I thought I was the only one. I really miss that time announcement too. But 
my work around is to leave focus on the clock app when I lock the phone. It 
isn't perfect but it mostly works.

Sent from Kimber's iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald <colinrmcdon...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
>> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
>> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
>> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
>> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>>> bombarded.
>>> 
>>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
>>>> errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
>>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>>> upgrade.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>>> 
>>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>>> 
>>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Colin McDonald]

mine has been like that since 8.0

-Original Message- 
From: Arnold Schmidt

Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.

Arnold Schmidt
- Original Message - 
From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>

To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available


I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the 
following bug as reported:
VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
Power  button to wake my device.




-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
bombarded.

On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
battery before it downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any 
spelling

errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
I

stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
upgrade.


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 available

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Russ Kiehne]

I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
bug as reported:
VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
Power  button to wake my device.




-Original Message- 
From: Wayne Merritt

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
bombarded.

On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
battery before it downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. 
I

stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
upgrade.


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iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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Re: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available

[Anthony Vece]

I just asked Siri and Siri tells me that's fine

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 6s!

On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Colin McDonald <colinrmcdon...@shaw.ca> wrote:

> mine has been like that since 8.0
> 
> -Original Message- From: Arnold Schmidt
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 6:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: The Time Announcement Bug, wa,s iOS 9.1 available
> 
> I hoped it was just my phone, but had another person tell me earlier today
> that the bug is present in her phone, too.  Sometimes, it will announce the
> time as usual, , more often, not.  In certain situations, it was so
> convenient to press the power button to find out the time.  After pressing
> the power or home button, the time does appear on the locked screen, just
> under the status bar, but I have to touch it to have it read.
> 
> Arnold Schmidt
> - Original Message - From: "Russ Kiehne" <russ94...@gmail.com>
> To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2015 9:49 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> 
>> I updated my 5th generation ipod touch to ios 9.1 and now have the following 
>> bug as reported:
>> VoiceOver doesn't always automatically announce the time when I press the 
>> Power  button to wake my device.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message- From: Wayne Merritt
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
>> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
>> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
>> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
>> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
>> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
>> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
>> 
>> Wayne
>> 
>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>>> bombarded.
>>> 
>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
>>>> errors.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
>>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>>> upgrade.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>>> 
>>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>>> 
>>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Mary Otten]

I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be announced. 
Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just not a big 
deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

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> wrote:
> 
> 
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>> device.
>> 
>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>> 
>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Andrew Lamanche]

I don't have the unlock and lock sounds on 6S.  Is there a setting I may be 
missing?

Andrew
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:23, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
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> 
> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
> Richard
> 
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
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>> device.
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>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
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Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
device.

I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.

Mark

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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Richard Turner]

i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
Richard


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
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> device.
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> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Agent086b]

Hello Mark and all,
This bug appears to be one of those bugs that don’t appear on all iPhones. I do 
not see either of the bugs you mention on my iPhone 6. I believe you are having 
these issues, luckily
 I am not getting them at this time.
Max.
 
> On 23 Oct 2015, at 2:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
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> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Daniel Miller]

Everyone has the lock sound, the unlock sound has been gone since iOS 7. Make 
sure lock sounds is turned on under sounds in settings.

> On Oct 23, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Andrew Lamanche <ioani...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't have the unlock and lock sounds on 6S.  Is there a setting I may be 
> missing?
> 
> Andrew
>> On 23 Oct 2015, at 04:23, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[Richard Turner]

I wear a braille watch, (also known as a tactile watch since there really isn't 
any braille involved), so I don't miss the time being spoken either.
Richard 


> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Mary Otten <motte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I also get sounds. And once just recently, I got the time announced. Since I 
> usually unlock with my touch ID, there is no time for the time to be 
> announced. Nope unintended. For me, this is just not a big deal. Minor just 
> not a big deal. Nothing compared to the damn dictation problem. Smile.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> i still get sounds when I lock and unlock my 5s running iOS 9.1.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:17 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
>>> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
>>> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
>>> device.
>>> 
>>> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
>>> 
>>> Mark
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Re: Another Small Bug that May Be Related to the Loss of Automatic Time Announcement in iOS 9.1

[joseph hudson]

Hello Mark, if any sound is gone at all from the unlock or lock sounds, it's 
the unlock sound the lock sound is still there on an iPhone 5S.
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 10:17 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> In addition to the fact that waking the phone up no longer causes the
> current time to be automatically announced, by VoiceOver, there is now also
> the loss of sound effect feedback when either locking or unlocking the
> device.
> 
> I strongly suspect that the two issues are directly related.
> 
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RE: iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I am surprised Applevis did not mention the phone bug where Voiceover would 
lock up for some user when a headset was connected. From what I can tell this 
had been fixed completely.

Another bug which has been fixed and which has not been mentioned yet on 
Applevis is about focus staying where it should. For example, open an email a 
ways down in your Inbox, then use the back button or scrub gesture and now 
Voiceover will keep focus on that email instead of putting focus back to the 
top of the Inbox.

Regards,
Sieghard


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me

Seems as though at least in my case the audio ducking bug has been fixed 
running iOS 9.1  Young thing I do notice, is that and it has been reported by 
Apple Vis voiceover does not always announce the time when you unlock/ lock 
your device

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Re: iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me

[Rajmund]

Hello,
I've noticed the latter. But, there's a bug. Let's say, you change the rotor in 
somewhere like iMessage. When you go back  to the email, instead of going back 
to actions unlike before, it stays on something like words. Or is this how its 
supposed to be?

- Original Message -
From: Sieghard Weitzel  <siegh...@live.ca>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2015 4:13 pm
Subject: RE: iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me

>
>
> I am surprised Applevis did not mention the phone bug where Voiceover would 
> lock up for some user when a headset was connected. From what I can tell this 
> had been fixed completely.
> 
> Another bug which has been fixed and which has not been mentioned yet on 
> Applevis is about focus staying where it should. For example, open an email a 
> ways down in your Inbox, then use the back button or scrub gesture and now 
> Voiceover will keep focus on that email instead of putting focus back to the 
> top of the Inbox.
> 
> Regards,
> Sieghard
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Marissa Solaun
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 11:50 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me
> 
> Seems as though at least in my case the audio ducking bug has been fixed 
> running iOS 9.1  Young thing I do notice, is that and it has been reported by 
> Apple Vis voiceover does not always announce the time when you unlock/ lock 
> your device
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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iOS 9.1 available

[Marissa Solaun]

Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release) 

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[rajmund]

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because I 
can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery before it 
downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.

> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Attention everyone:
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> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release) 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[chris]

No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't 
bombarded.


On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:

Hello,
I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because I 
can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery before it 
downloads?

Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
errors.


On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Penny Reeder]

Does anyone know if this update solves the problems associated with
VoiceOver that were present in 9.01 and 9.02? I have held off
upgrading until I know that these issues have been dealt with, but I
would like to upgrade to take advantage of the benefits that are also
associated with IOS9.X.

Thanks.
Penny

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RE: iOS 9.1 available

[Michael Malver]

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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Attention everyone:

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iOS 9.1

[Marissa Solaun]

Link from apple vis on voiceover bugs fixed in iOS 9.1

http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-news/apple-releases-ios-91-new-features-enhancements-and-some-bug-fixes-blind-and-low

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Davy Cuppens]

My sources knew this that no structural and heavy bugs were solved until 
9.1. Maybe there is hope after 9.2?

Regards
Davy

-Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
From: rajmund

Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

Hello,
Yep, it is there, indeed. I'll install it, I have nothing to lose. At least 
not after 9.02.


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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Mário Navarro]

a shame.

I do not want to believe it.
I thought that Apple had changed their irresponsible attitudes toward 
the blind.


apple how you're going to justify this lack of irresponsibility that you 
have had in recent times with the blind?

only 5 bugs have been fixed.
and the other 20 in the most serious categories?
a shame

These were the bugs fixed.


Accessibility Bugs Fixed in iOS 9.1
list of 5 items
• In the Mail app, VoiceOver now states the actual number of messages in 
a grouped conversation rather than saying “multiple messages”.
• Audio now returns to the correct level after being interrupted by 
VoiceOver when audio ducking is enabled
• Fixed the problem where VoiceOver behaviour appeared to indicate that 
it was not possible to enter text into some webpage text fields (such as 
the Search

fields on the AppleVis and BookShare websites).
• VoiceOver sound effects no longer randomly disappear.
• Switching VoiceOver voices in Settings > General > Accessibility > 
VoiceOver > Speech > Default Dialect now behaves as expected (the only 
situation where
voices may not switch automatically are when you have limited storage 
space available on your device or poor internet connectivity).

list end


Às 18:49 de 21/10/2015, Michael Malver escreveu:

Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.


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Attention everyone:

iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)

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Re: iOS 9.1

[Penny Reeder]

Thanks for sharing.
Penny

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[rajmund]

Hello,
Yep, it is there, indeed. I'll install it, I have nothing to lose. At least not 
after 9.02.

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iOS 9.1 audio routing bug fixed... At least for me

[Marissa Solaun]

Seems as though at least in my case the audio ducking bug has been fixed 
running iOS 9.1  Young thing I do notice, is that and it has been reported by 
Apple Vis voiceover does not always announce the time when you unlock/ lock 
your device

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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Amy Johnson]

what are the fixes in this update?

On 10/21/15, rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> Thanks, just had to leave it. The losing focus in email is fixed. I shall
> send, and see about that...
>
> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
> errors.
>
>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 7:58 p.m., chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>
>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>> bombarded.
>>
>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>> battery before it downloads?
>>>
>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
>>> errors.
>>>
>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain.
>>>> I stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>> upgrade.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Wayne Merritt]

I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.

Wayne

On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
> bombarded.
>
> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>> battery before it downloads?
>>
>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
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>>
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>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Rajmund]

Hello,
Well, I just found one of the already existing bugs not to be fixed, which, is 
when enhanced voices crackle. Guess time to  go further

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:47 pm
Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available

>
>
> My sources knew this that no structural and heavy bugs were solved until 
> 9.1. Maybe there is hope after 9.2?
> Regards
> Davy
> 
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
> From: rajmund
> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:21 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
> Hello,
> Yep, it is there, indeed. I'll install it, I have nothing to lose. At least 
> not after 9.02.
> 
> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[rajmund]

Hello,
Thanks, just had to leave it. The losing focus in email is fixed. I shall send, 
and see about that...

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> On 21 Oct 2015, at 7:58 p.m., chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't 
> bombarded.
> 
>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just because 
>> I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50% battery 
>> before it downloads?
>> 
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>> errors.
>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I 
>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial upgrade.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
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>>> Of Marissa Solaun
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
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>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>> 
>>> Attention everyone:
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>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>> 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Anthony Vece]

Oh, come on now.
Nothing is perfect.
Nor will it ever be perfect.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone 6s!

> On Oct 21, 2015, at 3:42 PM, Rajmund <brajmund2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Well, I just found one of the already existing bugs not to be fixed, which, 
> is when enhanced voices crackle. Guess time to  go further
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Davy Cuppens  <davycupp...@gmail.com>
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 7:47 pm
> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
> 
>> 
>> 
>> My sources knew this that no structural and heavy bugs were solved until 
>> 9.1. Maybe there is hope after 9.2?
>> Regards
>> Davy
>> 
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht- 
>> From: rajmund
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 8:21 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 9.1 available
>> 
>> Hello,
>> Yep, it is there, indeed. I'll install it, I have nothing to lose. At least 
>> not after 9.02.
>> 
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>> errors.
>> 
>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:33 p.m., Marissa Solaun <solaunmarissa2...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[rajmund]

Hello,
I'm kinda behind here, thanks to lists sending out a war worth of messages, so 
someone may have answered. But, the focus issue, at least in the email, is 
fixed.

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> On 21 Oct 2015, at 8:21 p.m., Wayne Merritt <wcmerr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I won't be updating until tonight. I am interested to know if the
> focus issues with VoiceOver have been fixed. Even though they were not
> mentioned in the fixes on AppleVis, I had heard from someone privately
> that the focus issues would be fixed for 9.1. Can anyone confirm? This
> bug was when you lost focus on an item in an app and would be taken
> back to the top of the screen. Apps where I experienced this included:
> Settings, TweetList 4, Tweetings 2, Downcast, Contacts, and others.
> 
> Wayne
> 
>> On 10/21/15, chris <challswor...@icloud.com> wrote:
>> No that's for installing. Try again later when the Apple servers aren't
>> bombarded.
>> 
>>> On 21/10/2015 19:44, rajmund wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I'm not sure, but I was disappointed with 9.02, so am updating, just
>>> because I can. Although, it's not downloading. Do you have to have 50%
>>> battery before it downloads?
>>> 
>>> Sent from  an iPad using braille screen input. Please excuse any spelling
>>> errors.
>>> 
>>>> On 21 Oct 2015, at 6:49 p.m., Michael Malver <mmal...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Please let us know what bugs are fixed, and what, if any, still remain. I
>>>> stayed at IOS8, because I wasn't willing to put up with the initial
>>>> upgrade.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Marissa Solaun
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 12:33 PM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: iOS 9.1 available
>>>> 
>>>> Attention everyone:
>>>> 
>>>> iOS 9.1 is available for download (not beta but public release)
>>>> 
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Re: iOS 9.1 available

[Marissa Solaun]

Apple vis link

http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-news/apple-releases-ios-91-new-features-enhancements-and-some-bug-fixes-blind-and-low

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bluetooth headset reliability with ios 9.1

[don bishop]

I had problems getting a bluetooth headset to work properly with ios9.02. The 
problem doesn't appear to beany better with ios9.2.  
Bluetooth worked fine previously. 
I'm using a bluetooth neckloop for the hearing impaired and my wife is using a 
regular bluetooth headset. 
With both units bluetooth performance seems unreliable. It works fine with vo 
and reading booas etc., but on phone calls, the voice often routes through the 
earpiece. I've tried changing the voice routing in accessibility from automatic 
to bluetooth, but doesn't seem to help. Anyone else experiencing this, and is 
there a workaround?  

Thanks, 
Don   

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