Re: [Vo]: Re: Scam or no?
On 3/22/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can assume that the capacitance is unbalanced and the the charge carrier is positive - since only a positive charge is available from an auto alternator (negative is ground). Huh? Automobiles are not earthed. Could you expand on this a bit? Terry
[Vo]: UFO records released in France
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202 132.html I wonder if we'll get any useful advanced technology clues from the French UFO files? Dave
RE: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
Hi Thomas, Some of the footage was shot down the street at our U of M. I'm wondering why those vortexes bend down and tore up the pot holes. That is not hard to imagine when considering the huge volume of water that was moving over the ground. I have seen similar features on a smaller scale at Shelburne Falls, Massachusetts. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=bridge+of+flowers+shelburne+falls+ma ssachusettslayer=ie=UTF8t=kom=1z=18ll=42.602248,-72.73829spn=0.001714 ,0.003616 I have always wondered how these features were made. Just watching that NOVA program gave me a lot of ideas for building more water vortex generators. I was particularly impressed with the implosion of the tiny bubbles, which caused a water hammer effect. It amazes me that air bubbles can be both suddenly created and suddenly collapsed like that. Dave
RE: [Vo]: Scam or no?
SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]: Scam or no? Paul sez: So essentially all the wasted energy ends up in the air. It's amazing how much energy flow air can handle given sufficient air circulation. In tracker pulling competition a single 3K HP (2.2 MegaWatts) engine is no biggie. I was just looking at a tracker with five 3 KHP motors. That's 15 thousands HP, or 11 MegaWatts! Regards, Paul Lowrance Ya gotta just love those spell checkers. I never new trackers could pull so much wait. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]: UFO records released in France
Dave sez: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202132.html I wonder if we'll get any useful advanced technology clues from the French UFO files? Dave FWIW, probably not. It may spark a few comments here and there concerning the interesting fact that encounters of the extraordinary keep happening on our planet, but then... so what. Consider this recent news flash: Fife Symington the former Republican governor of Arizona has recently publicly admitted to the world that he pretty well convinced himself that the so-called Phoenix lights, the sensational news incident that tens and thousands witnessed over the Phoenix skies around ten years ago, were not from this world. He even admits to participating in an attempt to diffuse the situation at a news conference he conducted where he paraded out a man in an alien suit to help turn the incident into a joke. Check out cnn.com for more info on this subject. There's video as well. People will continue to believe what they want to believe about the subject. Everything from: Space Brothers have come to save us to The Spawn of Satan's Loins have come to serve us up will flourish unabated - especially in the book stores where there is a buck to be made. As long as these incidents continue to remain, for the most part, eye witnesses accounts, there are plenty of ways to rationalize away the phenomenon, one-incident-at-a-time. The vast majority on this planet would prefer to keep the status quo as-is. There's goes the neighborhood. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]: Excess heat from a Pd cylinder
On Thursday 22 March 2007 15:33, Jed Rothwell wrote: I believe I have heard of several cases in which a cylinder produced significant excess heat. Here is the latest. Unfortunately, Zhang et al. tell me they have not yet written a paper, but here is the Abstract: 9:36AM A31.9 Heat Produced During Electrolysis with a Tubular Pd Cathode, WU-SHOU ZHANG, JOHN DASH, QIONGSHU WANG, Low Energy Nuclear Laboratory, Portland State University, Portland, OR 97207-0751 An explosion occurred during electrolysis of heavy water with a tubular Pd cathode1 A Pd tube from the same batch was used as the cathode during electrolysis in a Seebeck envelope calorimeter which is capable of accurate heat measurements. Data was obtained first from a three cm length of the tube on one end, and then from a three cm length on the opposite end. There were no explosions, but both ends of the tube produced continuous excess thermal power (356 mW +/- 11 mW maximum). In addition there were 39 heat bursts (1.1 W maximum) from the first end during 201 hours of electrolysis and 58 heat bursts (1 W maximum) during 443 hours of electrolysis from the opposite end of the tube. The period of the heat bursts ranged from a few minutes to 3.3 hours. Data on the topography and microchemical composition of the tube surface before and after electrolysis will also be presented. - Jed Jed, it is like nobody saw or read this! Is'nt anybody going to answer this post? The guy is claiming a watt from three centimeters of wire for cryin our loud. If true this is really good news. Instead folks are seemingly more interested in some 'scam'. The word 'reproducibility' has cropped up here as well, and that makes it more interesting. If Gene were around, he surely would be interested. Standing Bear
Re: [Vo]: UFO records released in France
Dave sez: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/22/AR2007032202132.html I wonder if we'll get any useful advanced technology clues from the French UFO files? Dave FWIW, probably not. It may spark a few comments here and there concerning the interesting fact that encounters of the extraordinary keep happening on our planet, but then... so what. One can expect that whatever is released to the public will be pretty well sanitized for your reading pleasure. Consider this recent news flash: Fife Symington the former Republican governor of Arizona has recently publicly admitted to the world that he pretty well convinced himself that the so-called Phoenix lights, the sensational news incident that tens and thousands witnessed over the Phoenix skies around ten years ago, were not from this world. He even admits to participating in an attempt to diffuse the situation at a news conference he conducted where he paraded out a man in an alien suit to help turn the incident into a joke. Check out cnn.com for more info on this subject. There's video as well. People will continue to believe what they want to believe about the subject. Everything from: Space Brothers have come to save us to The Spawn of Satan's loins have come to serve us up will continue to flourish unabated - especially in the book stores where there is a buck to be made. As long as these incidents continue to remain, for the most part, eye witnesses accounts, there are plenty of ways to rationalize away the phenomenon, one-incident-at-a-time. The vast majority on this planet would prefer to keep the status quo as -is. There's goes the neighborhood. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]: Scam or no?
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]: Scam or no? Paul sez: So essentially all the wasted energy ends up in the air. It's amazing how much energy flow air can handle given sufficient air circulation. In tracker pulling competition a single 3K HP (2.2 MegaWatts) engine is no biggie. I was just looking at a tracker with five 3 KHP motors. That's 15 thousands HP, or 11 MegaWatts! Regards, Paul Lowrance Ya gotta just love those spell checkers. I never new trackers could pull so much wait. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson You're a riot. Give me a break. I spent an entire 10 hours yesterday replying to emails. My eyes felt like they were generating 10 megawatts of nuclear fission. Paul Lowrance
[Vo]: Re: Scam or no?
I didn't say earth ground. The steel in the auto is the chasis ground, no? Terry may be setting me up for one of Michel's 'proper English wording' lessons Methinks that most of the World thinks that the USA speaks English, but that hasn't been precisely accurate for quite some time ... Terry Blanton wrote: On 3/22/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We can assume that the capacitance is unbalanced and the the charge carrier is positive - since only a positive charge is available from an auto alternator (negative is ground). Huh? Automobiles are not earthed. Could you expand on this a bit? Terry
Re: [Vo]: Excess heat from a Pd cylinder
Standing Bear wrote: Jed, it is like nobody saw or read this! Is'nt anybody going to answer this post? The guy is claiming a watt from three centimeters of wire for cryin our loud. Well, it is not unexpected. This is cold fusion, after all -- that's what it does. Fleischmann and Pons used to get upwards of 100 watts from a few centimeters of wire. Zhang and Dash have been very cooperative in the past so I expect they will send me a paper as soon as they write it. I will upload it and post a message here. That's what I do. I just now uploaded a new set of PowerPoint slides that describe a new paper: Hubler, G.K., Anomalous Effects in Hydrogen-Charged Palladium - A review (PowerPoint slides). Surf. Coatings Technol., 2007. http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/HublerGKanomalousea.pdf - Jed
[Vo]: UFO records released in France
On 3/23/07, Steven Vincent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave sez: People will continue to believe what they want to believe about the subject. Everything from: Space Brothers have come to save us to The Spawn of Satan's Loins have come to serve us up will flourish unabated I think it's more of Restaurant at the End of the Universe -- come watch the hairless apes destroy their world. Grab as much of their DNA while you can! Terry waving goodbye to the dolphins
Re: [Vo]: Re: Scam or no?
On 3/23/07, Jones Beene [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry may be setting me up for one of Michel's 'proper English wording' lessons No, I just don't understand why you say the charge carrier is positive. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
David Thomson wrote: Hi Thomas, Some of the footage was shot down the street at our U of M. I'm Just watching that NOVA program gave me a lot of ideas for building more water vortex generators. I was particularly impressed with the implosion of the tiny bubbles, which caused a water hammer effect. It amazes me that air bubbles can be both suddenly created and suddenly collapsed like that. I've considered going to that lab and talking to the professors. They clearly have the ability to generate powerful vortexes in water. Do you have some ideas for experiments that you'd like to try? --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
[Vo]: Re: Scam or no?
Terry may be setting me up for one of Michel's 'proper English wording' lessons No, I just don't understand why you say the charge carrier is positive. Here is the quote from the initial posting on how the inventor describes his cell - and admittedly it does not sound like conventional EE-jargon, so perhaps we can deconstruct what he is trying to say: Zigouras - The voltage applied to the cell never falls below +1 volt. As one side of the cell is connected to +13.8 volts, that means that the other side of the cell never goes above +12.8 volts. In other words, the square wave switches between zero volts and +12.8 volts 40,000 times per second. END of Zigouras quote. I was trying to tailor my comments on a working hypothesis (giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was getting 200 HP from only water) to this set of 'facts'. It is of course clear that massive positive charge imbalance in a water fog or mist would be difficult to achieve in an engine which is also chassis-grounded (unless the engine itself floats above ground - not likely). It is common knowledge among the water-fuel (JC) set that older ICE's often work better than new ones for this - and in the past, as you know, I have been vocal in saying that this could indicate that some of the energy is coming from crankcase oil which is leaking through the rings. One of the reasons I stop posting to those JC forums is hate-mail from true-believers asking - how can you know that they didn't have a new ring-job? They never claimed they did have new rings - only why would anyone assume they did not. Go figure. OTOH this factor (old engine working better than new one) could also mean that in an 10 year oldster, one with thickly oxidized (and electrically insulating) surfaces being formed over time on the manifold, piston crowns and cylinder head etc - that this helps to retain capacitance. We are only talking 14 v. here - and water mist can have a few acres per liter - of surface area - which translates into lots of capacitance. This would be especially true if there is some kind of positive charge sequestration, say in the center of a hexagonal arrangement of 6 water molecules - or even in a tetragonal grouping. Both are found in water in addition to the massive icosahedrons of Prof. Chaplin. which could easily sequester a charge. ... just thinking out loud(and hoping that it is not a scam). Jones
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
heres a not that expensive one to build (im yet to build it tho) http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/centripete/ also i just finished scanning a picture from a book on grander+schauberger, this is the hyperbolic cone for creating a vortex. http://www.scene.org/~esa/tratti2.jpg thank you so much for dropping the waterhammer-effect hint, i definitely have to hunt this down. even a brief mention on waterhammer/cavitation would be music to my ears. again, thanks muchly, id never have heard of this had it not been for your post on vortex-list. i believe others on viktorschaubergergroup-list also benefited from this. On 23/03/07, David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watching that NOVA program gave me a lot of ideas for building more water vortex generators. I was particularly impressed with the implosion of the tiny bubbles, which caused a water hammer effect. It amazes me that air bubbles can be both suddenly created and suddenly collapsed like that. Dave
RE: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
Hi Thomas, I've considered going to that lab and talking to the professors. They clearly have the ability to generate powerful vortexes in water. Do you have some ideas for experiments that you'd like to try? It seems that a water version of the Windhex might be useful. I was thinking of building a water version for pulverizing old circuit boards to reclaim the precious metals. Dave
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
On 23/03/07, thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the footage was shot down the street at our U of M. I'm Just watching that NOVA program gave me a lot of ideas for building more water vortex generators. I was particularly impressed with the implosion of the tiny bubbles, which caused a water hammer effect. It amazes me that air bubbles can be both suddenly created and suddenly collapsed like that. I've considered going to that lab and talking to the professors. They clearly have the ability to generate powerful vortexes in water. Do you have some ideas for experiments that you'd like to try? it would be amazing to find out what kind of results you get when applying a sonic frequency to the water during the process of creating a vortex. ...if there is a way of measuring what happens to the sonic frequency the water is conducting, when the water is forced into a vortex. also if they could find a way of going through the Prof. Pöpel Report and replicating those experiments using their technology to verify whether a vortical movement of water results in negative friction. (Pöpel, Franz Rapport över preliminära undersökningar av spiralrör med olika form Institute of Ecological Technology, Sweden, 1986. (Originally published as Berich über die Voruntersuchnungen mit Wendelrohren mit verschniedener Wandform International Report, Institut für Gesundheitstechnik, Institute of Technology in Stuttgart, 1952. Published in English in The Energy Evolution Viktor Schauberger Callum Coats (ed.) p. 222-247, Gateway Books, Bath, 2000) Basically anything that would enhance the understanding of Water-hammer-effect and cavitation, in regards to frequency and resonance, and harmonics. i.e., is there a way of creating a hearable tone, which's harmonics are reflected/echoed inside a cavity, creating Amplitude Additive Synthesis, to get to the ultrasonic frequencies, some of which can cause disassociation/atomization of water. (Keely/Schauberger/Dale Pond)
Re: [Vo]: Scam or no?
Paul, You deserve a break today. Somebody needs a nap. Think I'll take a little lunch snooze myself as well. Sweet dreams. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: SUBJECT: RE: [Vo]: Scam or no? Paul sez: So essentially all the wasted energy ends up in the air. It's amazing how much energy flow air can handle given sufficient air circulation. In tracker pulling competition a single 3K HP (2.2 MegaWatts) engine is no biggie. I was just looking at a tracker with five 3 KHP motors. That's 15 thousands HP, or 11 MegaWatts! Regards, Paul Lowrance Ya gotta just love those spell checkers. I never new trackers could pull so much wait. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson You're a riot. Give me a break. I spent an entire 10 hours yesterday replying to emails. My eyes felt like they were generating 10 megawatts of nuclear fission. Paul Lowrance --- Steven Vincent Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orionworks.com
RE: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
Hi Esa, heres a not that expensive one to build (im yet to build it tho) http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/centripete/ also i just finished scanning a picture from a book on grander+schauberger, this is the hyperbolic cone for creating a vortex. http://www.scene.org/~esa/tratti2.jpg I already have a gravity feed vortex generator. It's good to see others working with this, too. I spent two straight years observing water vortices on a daily basis with this type of setup. I would be glad to discuss my observations with interested persons. What is the link to the Schauberger list? thank you so much for dropping the waterhammer-effect hint, i definitely have to hunt this down. even a brief mention on waterhammer/cavitation would be music to my ears. again, thanks muchly, id never have heard of this had it not been for your post on vortex-list. i believe others on viktorschaubergergroup-list also benefited from this. Yes, I too was surprised about the water hammer effect being linked to the water vortex in the NOVA demonstration. There is probably only about 60 seconds of water vortex video in the show, but it was the most enlightening video I have seen so far. It also helps to understand how the Windhex is working. The Windhex is nothing more than a vortex generator using a less dense fluid. Imagine how much more powerful a dense water hammer effect would be for processing materials. If the water hammer vortex can eat through stone with no problem, it will likely also pulverize steel and other hard metals if designed right. Instead of using the gravity feed vortex, I'm thinking of getting a high pressure water pump and building a closed loop water circulation system, just as in the NOVA show. However, instead of running water passed a smooth stone, I'll build an orifice with a spiral twist in it to help the vortex along. The high pressure going through the twisted orifice will give the vortex both a high linear velocity and high angular momentum, which are needed to make a strong vortex. After seeing the imploding bubbles and getting a feel for the water hammer effect, and also having a good understanding about how Tesla's turbine motor works, I can now envision the enormous forces that would be acting upon the surface of any material caught in the vortex. There would be a ripping apart and jackhammer effect occurring simultaneously at the molecular scale. Other than ripping things apart, who knows what other uses a high-pressure vortex might have? Dave
Re: [Vo]: Excess heat from a Pd cylinder
I wrote: . . . in a Seebeck envelope calorimeter which is capable of accurate heat measurements. . . . There were no explosions, but both ends of the tube produced continuous excess thermal power (356 mW +/- 11 mW maximum). . . . The explosions are described here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZhangXontheexplo.pdf The Seebeck calorimeter was made by Heinz Poppendiek, of Thermonetics Corp. It is the blue box shown in the photo here: http://lenr-canr.org/Experiments.htm#HighSchoolStudents (8 photos down) I think Ed Storms might quibble with error estimate of +/- 11 mW, but it is very precise, and you can use it to measure 356 mW or 1.1 W with confidence. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
The Chemistry World magazine article that DonW posted here has a surprising statement: Bob Park, at the University of Maryland . . . concedes that 'there are some curious reports - not cold fusion, but people may be seeing some unexpected low-energy nuclear reactions'. Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. Now you mention it, I recall him saying there might be something, I don't know what it is or something like that once previously, can't find the exact quote. Michel - Original Message - From: Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference The Chemistry World magazine article that DonW posted here has a surprising statement: Bob Park, at the University of Maryland . . . concedes that 'there are some curious reports - not cold fusion, but people may be seeing some unexpected low-energy nuclear reactions'. Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
HI Jed, The Chemistry World magazine article that DonW posted here has a surprising statement: Bob Park, at the University of Maryland . . . concedes that 'there are some curious reports - not cold fusion, but people may be seeing some unexpected low-energy nuclear reactions'. Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. - Jed As you had previously eluded, it would appear that those like Park find it convenient to trick themselves into believing that LENR is NOT CF. Their little corner of the universe remain safe. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
I suggest Park has simply reiterated his belief that the Jones claims are real but not what Pons and Fleischmann discovered. This has been the attitude of the skeptics from the very beginning. In short, I see no change. I wrote to both Park and Garwin, describing by book and asking if they would like to review a preprint. I have received no reply. If a change in attitude were real, I would expect they would want to know what has been discovered in 18 years. A change in attitude is taking place at other levels and I suggest no credit be given to the traditional skeptics. Ed Ed Jed Rothwell wrote: The Chemistry World magazine article that DonW posted here has a surprising statement: Bob Park, at the University of Maryland . . . concedes that 'there are some curious reports - not cold fusion, but people may be seeing some unexpected low-energy nuclear reactions'. Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: As you had previously eluded, it would appear that those like Park find it convenient to trick themselves into believing that LENR is NOT CF. I once read a hilarious Japanese magazine article about Iwamura's research. It included a comparison table and several paragraphs explaining the differences between his claims and cold fusion. The author was bent over backwards trying to make a distinction between the two, and came up with several imaginary differences. The table said had rows such as: EFFECT REPLICATED? Iwamura: Yes Cold fusion: No CLAIMED TO PRODUCES ENERGY?Iwamura: No Cold fusion: Yes The author was apparently unaware of the fact that Iwamura's early papers report energy production. The CF effect in his present system is far too small to produce measurable energy, but I am sure it does produce energy. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
Edmund Storms wrote: I suggest Park has simply reiterated his belief that the Jones claims are real but not what Pons and Fleischmann discovered. Ah, yes. The Jones ploy. I should have seen it coming. In the past Park has excoriated Jones, so he must have someone else in mind as the replacement discoverer. Maybe he will claim that Szpak or Miley discovered cold fusion. Still, as I said, by Park's standards this is an extraordinary admission, and perhaps we should take it as a sign of progress, albeit progress at a glacial pace. - Jed
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
Jed, I have watched and listened to every word the man has publicly (and to a certain extent privately) uttered on the subject for the last five years. There is a clear progression. Off the top of my head, he was reported to have said on a Canadian radio show something about not buying it till it was on the shelves..which is not a very scientific statement, but it's also not saying it's pathological science. A year or two later he was quoted in a paper saying something like, I wouldn't go out and invest in it yet. Look at the metadata. It's all there. s At 04:33 PM 3/23/2007 -0400, you wrote: The Chemistry World magazine article that DonW posted here has a surprising statement: Bob Park, at the University of Maryland . . . concedes that 'there are some curious reports - not cold fusion, but people may be seeing some unexpected low-energy nuclear reactions'. Coming from him, that is an astounding admission. I do not recall ever seeing Park betray even a hint of a positive attitude toward CF. - Jed
[Vo]: What's New Bob?
http://www.bobpark.org/ Friday, March 23, 2007 1. MARCH MADNESS: COLD FUSION PEAKS AROUND THE VERNAL EQUINOX. On this day 18 years ago, the University of Utah announced the discovery of cold fusion without giving any technical details http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN89/wn032489.html(WN 24 Mar 89) . The peak came three weeks later when Stanley Pons received a standing ovation at the annual ACS Meeting in Dallas, but by June it was over. The Utah research was exposed as a pitiful embarrassment. For years the faithful sulked at their own annual meetings held at swank resorts around the world. There they could congratulate each other on their progress. Each year another experiment would be hailed as proof, but never survived replication. A few years ago, however, the bolder of the faithful began to reemerge from the dark, giving papers at professional society meetings. They now prefer to call their field Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),and they held a session at the APS March Meeting in Denver. Next week they will hold a session at the ACS Meeting in Chicago. Once again, there is a new experiment that is being hailed as proof-at-last. Who knows, maybe this will be the one.
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
Steven Krivit wrote: I have watched and listened to every word the man has publicly (and to a certain extent privately) uttered on the subject for the last five years. You have been paying close attention to Robert Park?!? Please stop wasting your time on inanities. This is like watching turds dry in the sun. There is a clear progression. Perhaps senility? Or the effect of that tree that almost knocked him off? Seriously, Park is not a good litmus test. He is too insensitive, and binary (on/off only). He will not admit CF is real until the Leading Experts have already come around. - Jed
[Vo]: Fw: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday March 23, 2007
-Forwarded Message-from Akira Kawasaki From: What's New [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mar 23, 2007 1:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BOBPARKS-WHATSNEW] What's New Friday March 23, 2007 WHAT'S NEW Robert L. Park Friday, 23 Mar 07 Washington, DC 1. MARCH MADNESS: COLD FUSION PEAKS AROUND THE VERNAL EQUINOX. On this day 18 years ago, the University of Utah announced the discovery of cold fusion without giving any technical details http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN89/wn032489.html . The peak came three weeks later when Stanley Pons received a standing ovation at the annual ACS Meeting in Dallas, but by June it was over. The Utah research was exposed as a pitiful embarrassment. For years the faithful sulked at their own annual meetings held at swank resorts around the world. There they could congratulate each other on their progress. Each year another experiment would be hailed as proof, but never survived replication. A few years ago, however, the bolder of the faithful began to reemerge from the dark, giving papers at professional society meetings. They now prefer to call their field Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR),and they held a session at the APS March Meeting in Denver. Next week they will hold a session at the ACS Meeting in Chicago. Once again, there is a new experiment that is being hailed as proof-at-last. Who knows, maybe this will be the one. 2. BUBBLE TROUBLE: CONGRESS LOOKS INTO THE OTHER COLD FUSION. Last month we predicted that Rusi Taleyarkhan's troubles aren't over http://bobpark.physics.umd.edu/WN07/wn021607.html . You will recall that while he was at ORNL Taleyarkhan claimed in a paper published by Science that he had generated deuterium fusion in sonoluminescence. His claims were disputed by two experienced physicists, Putterman and Suslick, who repeated the work and got no indication of fusion. After Taleyarkhan joined Purdue as a Nuclear Engineering professor, another paper was published that seemed to independently verify his ORNL results. Who were the authors? Taleyarkhan's students. What were they being trained to do? They apparently had little to do with the research. When a Purdue misconduct investigation seemed headed for the wrong answer it was terminated. A second Purdue investigation cleared Taleyarkhan of misconduct. Now Rep. Brad Miller (D-NC), chair of the Science Committee's Investigations Subcommittee has requested a copy of the University's internal investigation reports. 3. WIKIPEDIA: HAS A BEAUTIFUL IDEA FALLEN VICTIM TO HUMAN NATURE? Science owes its success and credibility to openness. Findings, including details of how they were obtained, are exposed to the scrutiny of the entire scientific community. It sounds like a prescription for chaos, but it's a mechanism for self-correction. The alternative is dogma. Could openness be extended to all knowledge? With Wikipedia, it seemed to work for a time, but for those who profit from a misinformed public, including purveyors of pseudoscience, the target is too tempting to leave alone. 4. LAST WEEK: WE APOLOGIZE FOR BEING A FEW DAYS LATE WITH WN. Why do technical problems always come up on Spring Break? THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND. Opinions are the author's and not necessarily shared by the University of Maryland, but they should be. --- Archives of What's New can be found at http://www.bobpark.org What's New is moving to a different listserver and our subscription process has changed. To change your subscription status please visit this link: http://listserv.umd.edu/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=bobparks-whatsnewA=1
Re: [Vo]: Cold fusion back on the menu (ACS) 2007 conference
On 3/23/07, Jed Rothwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps senility? Or the effect of that tree that almost knocked him off? For which I advocate a new national holiday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbor_Day After all, it *does* sequester CO2. Terry
Re: [Vo]: Water vortex footage
On 23/03/07, David Thomson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Esa, heres a not that expensive one to build (im yet to build it tho) *http://www.scene.org/~esa/merlib/centripete/http://www.scene.org/%7Eesa/merlib/centripete/ * also i just finished scanning a picture from a book on grander+schauberger, this is the hyperbolic cone for creating a vortex. *http://www.scene.org/~esa/tratti2.jpghttp://www.scene.org/%7Eesa/tratti2.jpg * I already have a gravity feed vortex generator. It's good to see others working with this, too. I spent two straight years observing water vortices on a daily basis with this type of setup. I would be glad to discuss my observations with interested persons. What is the link to the Schauberger list? The ViktorSchaubergerGroup is at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/viktorschaubergergroup thank you so much for dropping the waterhammer-effect hint, i definitely have to hunt this down. even a brief mention on waterhammer/cavitation would be music to my ears. again, thanks muchly, id never have heard of this had it not been for your post on vortex-list. i believe others on viktorschaubergergroup-list also benefited from this. Yes, I too was surprised about the water hammer effect being linked to the water vortex in the NOVA demonstration. There is probably only about 60 seconds of water vortex video in the show, but it was the most enlightening video I have seen so far. It also helps to understand how the Windhex is working. The Windhex is nothing more than a vortex generator using a less dense fluid. Imagine how much more powerful a dense water hammer effect would be for processing materials. If the water hammer vortex can eat through stone with no problem, it will likely also pulverize steel and other hard metals if designed right. surely it could also be used for uniting substances - for instance with the idea behind Viktor Schauberger's Repulsator (to combine various minerals, salts etc whilst strongly whirling them to produce mountain-spring quality water). Yes there's a flashier way to disintegrate material, however, this would knock out all of these ridiculous spring water-plastic bottles etc. IET-Community have done some tests with their replication of a Repulsator, and there is also a list of minerals etc that have been used in these type processes, i believe in Energy Evolution. Instead of using the gravity feed vortex, I'm thinking of getting a high pressure water pump and building a closed loop water circulation system, just as in the NOVA show. However, instead of running water passed a smooth stone, I'll build an orifice with a spiral twist in it to help the vortex along. The high pressure going through the twisted orifice will give the vortex both a high linear velocity and high angular momentum, which are needed to make a strong vortex. Will you be using Hyperbolic Geometry (Walter Schauberger), or Golden-mean-ratio -related geometry (as viktor would've) to calculate+create the spiral twist? here are is at least one page related to twisty-pipes: http://www.pks.or.at/drinkingwater.html Btw, if you are looking for creating a strong vortex, maybe you would be interested in the micro-hydroturbine that Viktor designed, which is off/and/on being opensource-recreated (but physically by no-one) on http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:Jet-Turbine seems like an intriguing project, to be able to utilize any stream for the creation of electricity. surely this could be created, and made into portable devices. all thats really missing is the math/geometry involved, the idea however has been laid out in the patent ( http://rexresearch.com/schaub/schaub.htm#117749 ).. and then there was the Schladming Group connection in Austria who were building it (mentions in PKS2002 seminar, and Living Energies by Callum Coats). .. however, this is still not .. built. at least not officially. After seeing the imploding bubbles and getting a feel for the water hammer effect, and also having a good understanding about how Tesla's turbine motor works, I can now envision the enormous forces that would be acting upon the surface of any material caught in the vortex. There would be a ripping apart and jackhammer effect occurring simultaneously at the molecular scale. Other than ripping things apart, who knows what other uses a high-pressure vortex might have? well, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonofusion comes to mind. all this material on waterhammer/cavitation/acoustic cavitation/creating harmonics out of a base note (sung/instrumental) to create this inside a cavity (keely) is an area that is slowly becoming apparent as a world of possibilities - so i cant wait to see the nova documentary. there is precious little information about this. oh and by the way, regarding waterhammer/cavitation, i really recommend hunting down the 2 hour documentary from dale pond (the basics of sympathetic vibratory physics (SVP)) where he tries to dissect a keely motor for us (which definitely used
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David Thomson wrote: Hi Thomas, I've considered going to that lab and talking to the professors. They clearly have the ability to generate powerful vortexes in water. Do you have some ideas for experiments that you'd like to try? It seems that a water version of the Windhex might be useful. I was thinking of building a water version for pulverizing old circuit boards to reclaim the precious metals. Dave Brilliant idea, IMHO --- http://USFamily.Net/dialup.html - $8.25/mo! -- http://www.usfamily.net/dsl.html - $19.99/mo! ---
