Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
“Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Rossi is an experimentalist. At high probability, he derives facts and figures about his process from observation. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi interviewed on Radio24 [ITA]
About the numbers: Produced E-cats up to now ~ 170? E-cats for the 1MW plant as of today ~ 150? During school holidays, from 1957 to 1968, he worked with his father Luigi in his machine-shop, specialized in metal carpentry. He learns how to use all the major carpentry machines (welding machines, lathes, benders, shears, etc…). He learns to design and build many kind of machines and to organize the work in the factory. from: http://ingandrearossi.net/gli-inizi/ So is Rossi doing all the welding of those copper tubes and the steel chamber by himself? 2011/5/5 Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com: A bit of humor: Can we believe that e-cats come from North Pole Santa's factory and are made one by one with the tiny and efficient hands of his little elves ? 2011/5/5 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net From: Jed Rothwell I can't imagine he makes 14 a day working by himself! He must have a staff of people at his factory, or outsourced… If Rossi does not have a group, he is doing an inhuman amount of work. … (cough, cough) … and you can really believe any of Rossi’s BS ! LOL It’s all like this.
Re: [Vo]:22 Passi Mr. Kilowatt interview transcripts with Celani and Rossi
2011/5/5 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Celani: http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/04/nuova-intervista-di-mr-kilowatt.html A follow up letter from Celani, nice summary of Arata incredible work, (note that much of this is already available on http://lenr-canr.org): http://22passi.blogspot.com/2011/05/le-ricerche-di-arata-sulle-nanopolveri.html
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
*“NiO will be reduced by hydrogen.”* This reduction process produces the active nuclear sites where the Rossi process generates heat. These active nuclear sits in NiO are where oxygen has been removed by hydrogen erosion. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Plus water and high pressure. A bomb. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *“NiO will be reduced by hydrogen.”* This reduction process produces the active nuclear sites where the Rossi process generates heat. These active nuclear sits in NiO are where oxygen has been removed by hydrogen erosion. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Not if an oxygen getter is operating in the internal heater. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Plus water and high pressure. A bomb. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *“NiO will be reduced by hydrogen.”* This reduction process produces the active nuclear sites where the Rossi process generates heat. These active nuclear sits in NiO are where oxygen has been removed by hydrogen erosion. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
Dear Axil, I really don't want to contradict you- but how will this getter work? At a rather high temperature? Do you see something like that on the E-cat? peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Not if an oxygen getter is operating in the internal heater. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Plus water and high pressure. A bomb. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *“NiO will be reduced by hydrogen.”* This reduction process produces the active nuclear sites where the Rossi process generates heat. These active nuclear sits in NiO are where oxygen has been removed by hydrogen erosion. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
In my theory of catalytic action(aka Rossi secret), a hot filament in the internal heater drives a thermion emission of a rare earth oxide compound which has a low work function and a high attraction for oxygen. The electrons that this thermionic process provides ionize some or all of the hydrogen to a (H-) ion state. Electrostatic forces drive H- ions into the holes created in the NiO lattice through oxygen erosion that you mentioned and are the basis of the Casmir based fusion reaction of hydrogen which produce copper and heat. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:02 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Axil, I really don't want to contradict you- but how will this getter work? At a rather high temperature? Do you see something like that on the E-cat? peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Not if an oxygen getter is operating in the internal heater. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:47 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: Plus water and high pressure. A bomb. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: *“NiO will be reduced by hydrogen.”* This reduction process produces the active nuclear sites where the Rossi process generates heat. These active nuclear sits in NiO are where oxygen has been removed by hydrogen erosion. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:33 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.comwrote: I think the Rossi-Speak- English dictionary says: if you let the reaction out of control, no more cooling, *locally* in the core the temperature will rise even to 1600 C. Ths has not much to do with the normal working temperature- 380- 450 C. NiO will be reduced by hydrogen. Peter On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: “Where did you see this is 316L?” Rossi said that this type of stainless steel is used in the reaction vessel. It is helpful to memorize as well as possible all the tid-bits that Rossi provides because their correlation in their totality greatly restricts what materials and processes are operative in his reactor. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:27 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: 316L stainless steel, the material that the reaction vessel is composed of melts at 1400C. It does seem that most stainless steel melts around this temperature. Where did you see this is 316L? Maybe Rossi is quoting the maximum theoretical limit for the Ni catalyst, rather than an actual observation he has made. Copper melts at 1084 deg C. - Jed -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
RE: [Vo]:Rossi interviewed on Radio24 [ITA]
From Akira: Hasn't Rossi stated a few times over the past months that his reactors can reach temperatures able to melt nickel? 1,600 °C is most probably the internal temperature reached during a controlled meltdown, anyway. Yes, I agree. This should be old news insofar as the Vort Collective goes. I believe Rossi mentioned a few accidental meltdown/runaways earlier in the development cycle. It's probably documented in his journal, if anyone wants to go wading through some of the earlier passages. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
The M.O. List It could be helpful - to anyone approaching Ni-H from a the theoretical perspective, to have a list of all possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Your submission will be appreciated. Since many of these overlap, I will await completion of a more complete, or better worded list - to arrange them in some kind of hierarchy. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. 4) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 5) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity. 6) Mills' hydrino 7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. 8) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 9) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear nexus. 10) your entries are needed Jones attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
Add multibody H reaction; not H+H but H+H+H+H . . . Not sure how many times. - Jed
RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. Jones, this might get into what Robin and I were discussing regarding why the heat extraction doesn't draw down the gas temp to absolute zero - the antenna may be the h2 covalent bond where the large scale changes in Casimir force oppose antenna / h2 motion caused by local scale zitter. The fractional values taken on by h2 would represent the axis of deployment. Most people assume ground state doesn't represent ZPE but... Regards Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy The M.O. List It could be helpful - to anyone approaching Ni-H from a the theoretical perspective, to have a list of all possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Your submission will be appreciated. Since many of these overlap, I will await completion of a more complete, or better worded list - to arrange them in some kind of hierarchy. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. 4) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 5) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity. 6) Mills' hydrino 7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. 8) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 9) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear nexus. 10) your entries are needed Jones
Re: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
I think it is mostly number 1 with a little bit of 6 mixed in. Most of the energy is coming from fusion, but a few hydrinos may be produced. From: Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:03:48 AM Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy 7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. Jones, this might get into what Robin and I were discussing regarding why the heat extraction doesn’t draw down the gas temp to absolute zero – the “antenna” may be the h2 covalent bond where the large scale changes in Casimir force oppose antenna / h2 motion caused by local scale zitter. The fractional values taken on by h2 would represent the axis of deployment. Most people assume ground state doesn’t represent ZPE but… Regards Fran _ From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:42 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy The M.O. List It could be helpful - to anyone approaching Ni-H from a the theoretical perspective, to have a list of all possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Your submission will be appreciated. Since many of these overlap, I will await completion of a more complete, or better worded list - to arrange them in some kind of hierarchy. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H à D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. 4) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 5) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity. 6) Mills' hydrino 7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. 8) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 9) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear nexus. 10) your entries are needed Jones
[Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
The Modus Operandi List Anyone approaching Ni-H from a theoretical perspective may benefit from a list of possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Many of these processes can overlap or can be applied partially with others. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. 4) Multibody H reactions: H+H+H+H etc. This is new physics and could explain helium or other light elements if they are discovered 5) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 6) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity. 7) Mills' hydrino 8) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. This can overlap with 5,6 9) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 10) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear makeup reaction. Can be similar to 5,6 11) Dirac sea of negative energy ... in conjunction with 5,6,8 or 9. If UV radiation in the range of 6.8 eV is documented, this one will be important. 12) Shoulders' EVO. Not sure exactly how this could be applied to Rossi. 13) This floor is always missing 14) Quark Soup - a quark-level reorganization of IRH A work-in-progress attachment: winmail.dat
RE: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
You may want to add the Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H nucleus. --On Thursday, May 05, 2011 7:42 AM -0700 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The M.O. List It could be helpful - to anyone approaching Ni-H from a the theoretical perspective, to have a list of all possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Your submission will be appreciated. Since many of these overlap, I will await completion of a more complete, or better worded list - to arrange them in some kind of hierarchy. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. 4) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 5) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus have no residual radioactivity. 6) Mills' hydrino 7) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. 8) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 9) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear nexus. 10) your entries are needed Jones
RE: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
A few additions and improvements. The Modus Operandi List Anyone approaching Ni-H from a theoretical perspective may benefit from a list of possible gainful routes which are either non-nuclear, new-nuclear, supra-chemical, or a hybrid. Many of these processes can overlap or can be applied partially with others. All of the new physics reactions can be augmented (screened) by deflated electrons (Heffner) or lochons (Meulenberg). In addition, deflated electrons or lochons can be involved in supra-chemical reactions. 1) Nickel-to-copper new-nuclear with little or no radioactivity. This comes under 'new' because all known transmutations of nickel to copper at the kW level would leave deadly levels of radioactivity. 2) H+H -- D new-nuclear comes under 'new' because all known fusion of hydrogen to deuterium involve a positron, which is not seen. 3) WL ultra low momentum neutron. Clearly comes under 'new' but the lack of predicted radioactivity makes it seem unlikely for Rossi. There are several 'virtual neutron' hypotheses which are similar. 4) Multibody H reactions: H+H+H+H etc. This is new physics and could explain helium or other light elements if they are discovered. 5) Cavity QED only. Hydrogen enters Casimir cavity, gains energy from ZPE. No ash. 6) Cavity QED with nuclear makeup. Essentially these two involve asymmetric chemistry, the later leading to nuclear reaction which are stimulated by a prior energy deficit, and thus no residual radioactivity. 7) Mills' hydrino 8) Antenna for dark energy - hydrogen is changed (IRH), or contained, in such a way in nanopores that it acts like an antenna for dark energy. This can overlap with 5,6 9) Antenna for neutrinos - hydrogen is changed or contained in such a way that it acts like an antenna for neutrino interaction. 10) Ballotechnic. Inner orbital chemistry, with or without a nuclear makeup reaction. Can be similar to 5,6 11) Dirac sea of negative energy ... in conjunction with 5,6,8 or 9. If UV radiation in the range of 6.8 eV is documented, this one will be important. 12) Shoulders' EVO. Not sure exactly how this could be applied to Rossi. 13) This floor is always missing 14) Quark Soup - a quark-level reorganization of IRH 15) The Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H nucleus. 16) Some variation of the quantum gravity explanation in several papers on Rossi's blog A work-in-progress attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
From all experimental indications, I agree that this multi proton fusion is what makes the Rossi reactor and go. To put some conceptual meat on this bone, at least 60 some odd protons and maybe many more are packed into a small (sub nanometer?) hole in the lattice of nickel. These protons are comprised of two ups quarks and a down quark. There is no anti matter clustering (allowed?) inside the hydrogen nucleus. Some trigger event happens to this collection of protons that convert some substantial fraction of these many protons to neutrons comprised of one up quark and two down quarks. Some ultra low energy based factor in nature can transform up and down quarks into each other are beyond the pale of today’s physics. Even thinking that this mechanism of transmutation is even possible is a burning offence at CERN. Is it even too extreme for Vortex? On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Add multibody H reaction; not H+H but H+H+H+H . . . Not sure how many times. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
Good work-in-progress compilation Jones. Thanks for volunteering. It's astonishing to me to see the number of different theories being explored. Some obviously have at present garnered more respect than others. But who really knows at present what combination of the above (or perhaps none at all) will be the final winner. It could take decades... as you say a work-in-progress. The lords of Science have their work cut out. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
On 2011-05-03 18:46, Michele Comitini wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 Now available in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/video.php?id=23096 Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- NO Chemical Fakes eliminated
Is it too much to ask for ONE TEST in which EVERYTHING is done correctly: eg http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2011/ICCF16/pres/ET01Grabowski-RobustPerformanceValidation.pdf Their methodology is pretty much what I've been insisting (except that I didn't require a dummy electric-heater unit) on : in particular: If possible, ascertain contents of Black Box before and after test to limit quantity of stored energy available Knowledge of mass and volume of Black Box High power output device (i.e., kW), compared to inputs Long time measurements (days?) if at lower power Limited mass and volume available for fuel and The test should be conducted for a sufficient continuous period to strongly exclude the possibility of stored chemicals generating the observed energy output.
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Ridiculous voice over text, but great close-ups! Akira Shirakawa wrote: Now available in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/video.php?id=23096 This is the same video at two different sites. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- NO Chemical Fakes eliminated
Alan sez: Is it too much to ask for ONE TEST in which EVERYTHING is done correctly: Yes, Get over it. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- NO Chemical Fakes eliminated
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Alan sez: Is it too much to ask for ONE TEST in which EVERYTHING is done correctly: Yes, Get over it. My thoughts exactly! Alan: if you want to see a test in which EVERYTHING is done the way YOU want it, TRY DOING IT YOURSELF. Stop expecting other people to do things the way you want them to. Everyone has his or her own idea of what constitutes an ideal experiment, and no experiment can meet all goals. No single experiment short of the 1 MW reactor running for months will be totally convincing. You have to look at the totality of the evidence. Do it yourself, and you will see that these things are harder than they seem. Your own test will not be fully satisfactory. You might even find out that Levi et al. know more than you do, and their methods are better than yours in ways you did not anticipate. As I said in my book, flow calorimetry is wonderfully simple in principle, but in practice it is like trying to maintain an HO scale model railroad. That analogy is totally lost on the younger generation, I discovered. See footnote 27. After several months of it you will appreciate the beauty of Seebeck calorimetry. Unfortunately that cannot be done with Rossi's system. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- NO Chemical Fakes eliminated
At 10:57 AM 5/5/2011, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote: Is it too much to ask for ONE TEST in which EVERYTHING is done correctly: Yes, snark=ON Sorry, I thought vortex was a scientific list, not a religious one. snark=OFF
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
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RE: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
The last part is a slime-job deluxe. Even in my estimation, being no Rossi fan-boy, it is disproportionate in emphasis, due to the time delay, and the possibility of Mafia involvement. I saw the long version, and it may have been shortened since then. If they really wanted to slime him so badly, they should have looked into the Thermoelectric fiasco in New Hampshire, recently cited - since it is more recent in time and in its similarity to the E-Cat - and especially in the way that poor craftsmanship can come back to haunt the lone inventor. I would like to hear his response to the LTI boondoggle, but no doubt their US attorneys have put a muzzle on that. There are two views of the blue box in the interview from both sides, which looks to be an updated version of the one from January - and in both views (front and back) only two modules seem to be used during the recent tests. Perhaps temperature control is not as important as previously thought. The further problem for believing the story of 170 mew reactors is that it is probable that the final design for the control system is not in place yet, AND he says he is still working on the catalyst, as well. Do you build lots of units when your final design is not in place and you could need to add a different catalyst? ... just one more reason to doubt that we may see the kind of demo from Rossi which will convince skeptics that there has been a major breakthrough in Ni-H. However, a convincing demo from a third party, not associated with Rossi is becoming more likely every day. Jones -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Ridiculous voice over text, but great close-ups! Akira Shirakawa wrote: Now available in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/video.php?id=23096 This is the same video at two different sites. - Jed
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Terry Blanton wrote: Could you check that link, NS? That's an e-mail virus at work. Better purge the computer. - Jed
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Jones Beene wrote: The further problem for believing the story of 170 mew reactors is that it is probable that the final design for the control system is not in place yet, AND he says he is still working on the catalyst, as well. Do you build lots of units when your final design is not in place and you could need to add a different catalyst? Sure, as long as you think any catalyst will work well with that cell configuration. He must think the 50 ml cell configuration is optimum for any catalyst. This is equivalent to FP building a test bank of 64 cells and ordering a bunch of Dewar cells. The cells were all the same; only the cathodes and methods of running them varied. Kitamura has been running several kinds of different nanoparticle catalysts with the same two calorimeter cells. The control system and the plumbing links between the cells may be very difficult to engineer. That's the part he has not done yet. He has been building cells and making different kinds of catalyst for years, so he knows the ins and outs of that side of the development. Having a bunch of cells per-tested individually, lined up and waiting for the final control unit and plumbing configuration would be a plus. On the other hand, if it turns out the 1 L cells are best after all, then he will have hundreds of useless mini-eCat cells lying around. Maybe he will be kind enough to sell them to scientists, with catalyst included. He could sell them for $10,000 each, easily. I have to say, when I envision a giant array of 350 mini-Rossi devices, maybe 7 x 7 x 7, with all those control cables, cooling water pipes, and hydrogen feed lines . . . it makes me ill. What a nightmare! 350 problems waiting to happen. 350 connectors for the water to leak, and 350 tanks and hydrogen pipes for the gas to leak out of. That is not to say that a multitude of small devices cannot be tamed. Some weeks ago, I proposed a single-unit design with a single top that fits on all cells. I would do something along these lines, rather than have many individual discrete cells and hoses strung out every which direction. - Jed
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“the final design for the control system is not in place yet,” This fact has crossed my mind. The control system for the 1 MeV mature Rossi reactor would be completely computerized and directed. A SCADA system would monitor the temperature of the water, reaction vessel, and catalyst on all 300 units. An integrated command and control (CC) system would coordinate the power output of the reactor by automatically adjusting the input electric power and/or the hydrogen pressure to each of the 300 units without detailed human intervention. Module failure or servicing needs would be detected automatically by the computer and the CC system would issue an alarm to the operator along with the generation of an associated trouble ticket. Such an automated control system would take a year or two to develop if everything goes just right. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: The last part is a slime-job deluxe. Even in my estimation, being no Rossi fan-boy, it is disproportionate in emphasis, due to the time delay, and the possibility of Mafia involvement. I saw the long version, and it may have been shortened since then. If they really wanted to slime him so badly, they should have looked into the Thermoelectric fiasco in New Hampshire, recently cited - since it is more recent in time and in its similarity to the E-Cat - and especially in the way that poor craftsmanship can come back to haunt the lone inventor. I would like to hear his response to the LTI boondoggle, but no doubt their US attorneys have put a muzzle on that. There are two views of the blue box in the interview from both sides, which looks to be an updated version of the one from January - and in both views (front and back) only two modules seem to be used during the recent tests. Perhaps temperature control is not as important as previously thought. The further problem for believing the story of 170 mew reactors is that it is probable that the final design for the control system is not in place yet, AND he says he is still working on the catalyst, as well. Do you build lots of units when your final design is not in place and you could need to add a different catalyst? ... just one more reason to doubt that we may see the kind of demo from Rossi which will convince skeptics that there has been a major breakthrough in Ni-H. However, a convincing demo from a third party, not associated with Rossi is becoming more likely every day. Jones -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Ridiculous voice over text, but great close-ups! Akira Shirakawa wrote: Now available in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/video.php?id=23096 This is the same video at two different sites. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
Ed Storms suggests: H-e-H -- D - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New tests- by Nyteknyk -- Mats Lewan responses
At 01:04 AM 5/2/2011, Peter Gluck wrote: see please: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece I've collected the following responses by Mats Lewan (Google-translate has a limit, so I've done them one at a time). Response to Martin O Oops, that was very unclear what I'm talking! I say this (3:05): The temperature is over 100 degrees centigrade ... so we Clearly Have steam. Here's the outlet hose, We Can see vapor coming out Mats Lewan, New Technology Tuesday, 15:16 - - - - Response to Per There will be a version dubbed into English by the end of the week, according to RAI. Mats Lewan, New Technology May 3, 2011 23:40 - - - - Response to Mr Lindberg Resistor 1 located under the steel disk that surrounds the copper tube. The effect 300W is stamped into the metal. Resistor 2 is located inside the E-CAT, anywhere. Certainly, a strong electric heater intuitive across E-CAT could boil the water. The only thing I can assume that contradicts what is the measurement of input current and voltage. Mats Lewan, New Technology May 3, 2011 23:47 - - - Reply to Balabu The water column that provides back pressure is at most 200 mm, resulting in an increase in the boiling temperature of 0.5 degrees Celsius (0.1 degrees per 0.37 percent increase in pressure). See comment in the report of the test 28 April (downloadable with the link above next to the article). I may of course add that cooking inside the energy catalyst both heard and felt clearly at all times, right through the thick insulation. Mats Lewan, New Technology May 3, 2011 14:34 - - - Response to Karl On [ ??!! I can't find the Question !!?? ] Rossi has confirmed this to me now. However, no details are clear. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 22:19 - - - Reply to Olle The tests were made on our initiatives. The first was planned, the second, we added because I wanted to check several things at once, including the steam flow and the calibration of temperature probe in boiling water. Rossi has what I understand in this situation no vested interest in convincing all through a perfect and flawless test design with one hundred percent calorimetry. The data that I have been able to measure is said to be the best we can get right now. Room for doubt is still, of course. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 22:25 - - - - Reply to J.A. As I understand it can steam around 100 degrees do not carry more than 5% water in the liquid phase. Someone feel free to confirm or deny the task. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 13:02 - - - - Reply to Jenkki The voltage was measured with my multimeter, but not continuously. The stream was measured continuously with ampere meter in the picture. It is true that I only measured at zero - I realized this the day after I wrote the report and realized that someone would point out the deficiency. Of course it is theoretically possible to lead a strörre current through the phase and divide it between neutral and earth, provided that the RCD is inoperative or that the earth is connected in the bridge to zero in the connector. However, I have discussed this with Rossi and Levi and concluded that it is unlikely for several reasons: 1st Levi measured during its 18-hour test input power with a meter that also controls the current through zero. 2nd We test on 14 January in the same room triggered the room when one of RCD värmeresistanserna broke and short conclusion to the ground. GFCI was therefore in operation at least at the earlier time. 3rd E-cat was tested on a variety of locations in a variety of facilities, and personally I consider it unlikely that Rossi would be on implementing a so easily seen through but still relatively difficult to implement trick in all these places. 4th In previous tests, it has been about average effects of 10 kW and the instantaneous effects of over 100 kW. It's getting a lot of cross-section of ordinary electrical cables. 5th If the wall switch is manipulated has to take in the order 10A of the Earth - in previous experiments around 40A. There should be a direct safety hazard on the premises. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 12:52 - - - - Response to B;ad (google: Leaf !) [ CHECKED CONTROL BOX ] One must, of course, measuring the box as it is the total power input we are looking for. I and all the others before me have inspected the box inside. It contains no batteries or other energy source, just a bit of electronics and the most air. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 12:55 -- - - Reply to CGN The voltage was measured with my multimeter. 236V. Not the waveform. However, I inspected the wall and believes that it is unlikely that it sat electronics affecting waveform. Computers, including my own, and telephones, was connected to the same power outlet, and two sockets used in the two tests. Mats Lewan, New Technology 2 May 2011 12:58 - - - -
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Axil Axil wrote: The control system for the 1 MeV mature Rossi reactor would be completely computerized and directed. A SCADA system would monitor the temperature of the water, reaction vessel, and catalyst on all 300 units. . . . Such an automated control system would take a year or two to develop if everything goes just right. That's what I have been thinking. Something along those lines. I can't imagine doing that in 6 months. As I said, that rivals the Manhattan Project for speed. In the Manhattan Project they cut corners and built factories with things like cooling problems so big, they had to have firetrucks parked outside spraying the cooling towers. It was rush job. Maybe he intends to use old fashioned analog feed-back techniques, rather than computerized methods. He strikes me as an analog person in a digital world (what Mizuno calls himself). Sometimes the old way are the good ways. In the video, they said they have the 20 kW prototype sewn up and ready to go. So why on earth is Rossi doing this 1 MW extravaganza!?! This gigantic tour de force will be obsolete the week after it is complete. It's mind boggling to me. As I said, it reminds me of those gigantic multi-engined airplanes so popular in the 1920s and 30s, or the UNIVAC LARC supercomputer, with all those circuit cards and banks of tape drives. A magnificent achievement but a nightmare of complexity. It was asking too much of the technology of that time. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
Yes, but I wonder if Ed knows of a version that does not release a positron? Positron annihilation would have been seen by VB, and one of their meters was designed for that. On the #2 spot on the list, this reaction is listed without the electron mentioned, but with the preface saying that any of these reactions could be screened, i.e. by the Heffner deflated electron. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Ed Storms suggests: H-e-H -- D - Jed
Re: [Vo]:New tests- by Nyteknyk -- Mats Lewan responses
Note there are 23 comments in the English version of this article. The comments are in English, some from people who have been here: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3166552.ece - Jed
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- NO Chemical Fakes eliminated
Alan sez: Is it too much to ask for ONE TEST in which EVERYTHING is done correctly: Yes, snark=ON Sorry, I thought vortex was a scientific list, not a religious one. snark=OFF Hi Alan, Jed has already posted a few suggestions on the matter of getting what you think you deserve in life. You seem to have come to a conclusion that my previous pithy response, (which I freely admit was intentionally crafted at your expense), is religious in nature. How you arrived at such conclusion mystifies me, but no matter. FWIW, I occasionally develop software. It's been my experience that 1 percent of software development involves highly inspirational POC (Proof of concept) work. Invariably, inspirational POC work tends to be followed by 99 percent of not so inspirational tedious labor that focuses on how to make one's POC application (one's pride-and-joy) idiot proof. Never EVER underestimate the capacity of software users to find ways to wreak havoc with one's pride-and-joy, especially as they go about testing and analyzing its merits. I have a suspicion mechanical engineering inventors must endure similar trials and tribulations, including Rossi Co. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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The MeV reactor needs years of development. For example, the 2.5 kw module should be encapsulated in a tube that is replaceable on-the-fly to maximize reactor availability. With all those hundreds of modules, unless this is done, the reactor will be down for maintenance about 90% of the time. I would not use stainless steel; instead I would use a good thermal metal like zirconium in a long thin tube configuration. This tube should not be directly exposed to the water coolant. The tube should be built like a large vacuum tube with a multi-pronged socket at one end to allow the operator to remove and insert this modular without taking down the entire reactor. Electrical and hydrogen connections comprise this socket. This type of design takes time but such design must be done to make a valid and usable commercial product. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil wrote: The control system for the 1 MeV mature Rossi reactor would be completely computerized and directed. A SCADA system would monitor the temperature of the water, reaction vessel, and catalyst on all 300 units. . . . Such an automated control system would take a year or two to develop if everything goes just right. That's what I have been thinking. Something along those lines. I can't imagine doing that in 6 months. As I said, that rivals the Manhattan Project for speed. In the Manhattan Project they cut corners and built factories with things like cooling problems so big, they had to have firetrucks parked outside spraying the cooling towers. It was rush job. Maybe he intends to use old fashioned analog feed-back techniques, rather than computerized methods. He strikes me as an analog person in a digital world (what Mizuno calls himself). Sometimes the old way are the good ways. In the video, they said they have the 20 kW prototype sewn up and ready to go. So why on earth is Rossi doing this 1 MW extravaganza!?! This gigantic tour de force will be obsolete the week after it is complete. It's mind boggling to me. As I said, it reminds me of those gigantic multi-engined airplanes so popular in the 1920s and 30s, or the UNIVAC LARC supercomputer, with all those circuit cards and banks of tape drives. A magnificent achievement but a nightmare of complexity. It was asking too much of the technology of that time. - Jed
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I wrote: As I said, it reminds me of those gigantic multi-engined airplanes so popular in the 1920s and 30s . . . Here is the classic example of one that actually flew commercially, the Dornier DO X. Look at the pictures: http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/coming%20of%20age/flying%20boats/Dornier%20Do%20X.htm That was built in 1929, two years after Lindbergh flew the Atlantic. My point is, it had 12 motors. 6 tractors (facing front) and 6 pushers. That's way too complicated. Too many things to go wrong. 4 engines on one airplane was the practical limit for piston propellers. 350 Rossi gadgets can work together, but they have to be integrated in construction, not discrete. That is to say, fabricated together in one unit all at one time, like an IC. Modern technology allows for an astounding numbers of components in one product -- billions, in case of desktop computers -- but it only works with integrated manufacturing techniques. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
I got an update from Ed on this reaction, and I will work it into the list on the next update. Yes, but I wonder if Ed knows of a version that does not release a positron? Positron annihilation would have been seen by VB, and one of their meters was designed for that. On the #2 spot on the list, this reaction is listed without the electron mentioned, but with the preface saying that any of these reactions could be screened, i.e. by the Heffner deflated electron. -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell Ed Storms suggests: H-e-H -- D - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
There is a concept called “hot swaping” where a module is replaced without disabling the entire assemblage. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_swapping A super computer is configured where a computer board or a disk drive is replaced without disrupting its overall operation. This is how the Rossi reactor should be built where hot swapping of the small modules is possible. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:33 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I wrote: As I said, it reminds me of those gigantic multi-engined airplanes so popular in the 1920s and 30s . . . Here is the classic example of one that actually flew commercially, the Dornier DO X. Look at the pictures: http://www.century-of-flight.net/Aviation%20history/coming%20of%20age/flying%20boats/Dornier%20Do%20X.htm That was built in 1929, two years after Lindbergh flew the Atlantic. My point is, it had 12 motors. 6 tractors (facing front) and 6 pushers. That's way too complicated. Too many things to go wrong. 4 engines on one airplane was the practical limit for piston propellers. 350 Rossi gadgets can work together, but they have to be integrated in construction, not discrete. That is to say, fabricated together in one unit all at one time, like an IC. Modern technology allows for an astounding numbers of components in one product -- billions, in case of desktop computers -- but it only works with integrated manufacturing techniques. - Jed
[Vo]:what is the D2 canister next to the H2 canister?
It was a first thread about this deuterium canister; now I have asked Prof Piantelli why this appears in his patent. He answered: *The initial purpose of the bottle was to show that the reaction is NOT* *D+ D or D+H. Actually the introduction of D in a cell that was producing energy* *generated by the anomalous phenomenon, has interrupted the process, not increased* *heat release as by introduction of H. At this point, we started to use deuterium for* *turning off the cells. Later this was replaced by an other method and we use this * *new one today because it is less expensive. We tested it after the case of runaway* *reaction we had encountered.* This is the explanation. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
Hi, On 5-5-2011 19:45, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-05-03 18:46, Michele Comitini wrote: www.rainews24.rai.it/canale-tv.php?id=23074 Now available in English: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzL3RIlcwbY http://www.rainews24.rai.it/it/video.php?id=23096 Cheers, S.A. Thanks for the links, very interesting video. Now I understand why he doesn't want to start in Italy; there is still a lot of old sour. But, did I hear David from Defkalion say it right, that they are aiming at producing 300.000 units per year? Wow, they are really planning for taking over the energy-market. Kind regards, MoB
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On 5-5-2011 21:57, Man on Bridges wrote: But, did I hear David from Defkalion say it right, that they are aiming at producing 300.000 units per year? Oeps, that should read 300,000 (three hundred thousand)
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From MoB: But, did I hear David from Defkalion say it right, that they are aiming at producing 300.000 units per year? Oeps, that should read 300,000 (three hundred thousand) Not by certain European standards. ;-) Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
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Yes, Defkalion is reportedly fitting out a factory that will be capable of manufacturing 300,000 units per year. Not the first year, I assume. These are reportedly 20 kW units, according to the Greek financial press. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
-Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 12:09 PM In the video, they said they have the 20 kW prototype sewn up and ready to go. So why on earth is Rossi doing this 1 MW extravaganza!?! - Jed[Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.] ... [Hoyt A. Stearns Jr.] A 1 MW plant sounds like a good opportunity for the men-in-black to sabotage -- sprinkle radioactive debris around, blow it up then claim the E-Cat is just too dangerous for use. They could also use Hutchison effect guns on it -- see http://www.DrJudyWood.com :-) .
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Hi, On 5-5-2011 21:57, Man on Bridges wrote: Wow, they are really planning for taking over the energy-market. Based upon their name it looks like they are really purposely planning to create a new type of cataclysm of the current oil-based industry. With some help of Google I found this information about ancient Greek mythology: “Defkalion”? It has to do with Greek mythology. When people became very bad, Zeus decided to exterminate them with a cataclysm. Titan Prometheus advised his son Defkalion to build an arc in order to save himself. When the rain started Defkalion locked himself in the arc with his wife Pyrra. Everyone was killed and the arc, after nine days, landed on top of mount Parnassos. Defkalion offered sacrifices to Zeus who was very pleased. Zeus told Defkalion he would grant him one favour and duly, Defkalion asked for … people. Zeus obliged and ordered the two survivors to cover their face and start moving while taking stones from the ground and throwing them behind them. Where the stones thrown by Defkalion landed the earth gave men and where the stones of Pyrra landed the earth gave women. Thus, a new people were born, with no connection with the past. Later, Defkalion and Pyrra had their own children, Hellene, Amfiktion, Protogeneia, Melantho, Thia and Pandora. Hellene, their first born became the father of the Greeks. Kind regards, MoB
[Vo]:Misplaced priorities
Rant alert ... Our genius bureaucrats spare no expense for War, but cannot provide even minimal support, much less adequate funding for LENR, despite 20 years of mixed but generally positive results. As a result, the long overdue major breakthrough in alternative energy must come from the strangest of fringe characters, instead of our massively funded national labs ... but it turns out, on the mission to kill OBL, in addition to black helicopters costing $175 million each, one of the Navy Seals brought along a dog. No problem there, since these guys have true ESP, but here's the deal ... and you are not going to believe it. The dogs used for special missions come equipped with titanium fangs - replacing the normal Canine teeth at a cost of about $10k per animal. The canine-corps gets way more funding than LENR - but then again, anything is way more than nothing. Ouch ... one wonders if Titanium Pinchers was not the real reason that certain photos were not released. attachment: winmail.dat
Re: [Vo]:what is the D2 canister next to the H2 canister?
Hi, On 5-5-2011 21:48, Peter Gluck wrote: It was a first thread about this deuterium canister; now I have asked Prof Piantelli why this appears in his patent. He answered: *At this point, we started to use deuterium for**turning off the cells.* I already suspected this, as it was mentioned earlier by Rossi that Deuterium kills the process. I presume the same applies to Tritium, which is probably also exactly the reason why no Deuterium or Tritium are generated from the H2 by Rossi's device. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, On 5-5-2011 21:57, Man on Bridges wrote: Wow, they are really planning for taking over the energy-market. Based upon their name it looks like they are really purposely planning to create a new type of cataclysm of the current oil-based industry. In this analogy, that makes Rossi Zeus. MoB
Re: [Vo]:Misplaced priorities
Jones Beene wrote: The dogs used for special missions come equipped with titanium fangs - replacing the normal Canine teeth at a cost of about $10k per animal. That has urban myth written all over it! However, there are reports of police dogs getting titanium replacement teeth for $600. See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1316963/Metal-teeth-give-US-police-dog-a-new-bite.html As a human with many capped teeth, I sympathize with the poor critters. It wouldn't surprise me if Uncle Sam pays $10,000 for a veterinary procedure worth $600. That's one of the reasons our health care system costs 3 times more than any other first-world system and rates dead last in actual health care performance. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:what is the D2 canister next to the H2 canister?
Some small percentage of deuterium contamination does not stop the Rossi process. The same is probably true for tritium. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, On 5-5-2011 21:48, Peter Gluck wrote: It was a first thread about this deuterium canister; now I have asked Prof Piantelli why this appears in his patent. He answered: *At this point, we started to use deuterium for** turning off the cells.* I already suspected this, as it was mentioned earlier by Rossi that Deuterium kills the process. I presume the same applies to Tritium, which is probably also exactly the reason why no Deuterium or Tritium are generated from the H2 by Rossi's device. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Misplaced priorities
The business model in the defense and energy field is making money. Unless a substantial profit can be turned, defense contractors and their government controllers blindly pursue the buck. Priorities are set by the Secretary of energy: Chu. Even POTUS follows his lead. If some cold fusion expert like Jed where the Secretary of energy, I think things would change in defense and energy. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Jones Beene wrote: The dogs used for special missions come equipped with titanium fangs - replacing the normal Canine teeth at a cost of about $10k per animal. That has urban myth written all over it! However, there are reports of police dogs getting titanium replacement teeth for $600. See: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1316963/Metal-teeth-give-US-police-dog-a-new-bite.html As a human with many capped teeth, I sympathize with the poor critters. It wouldn't surprise me if Uncle Sam pays $10,000 for a veterinary procedure worth $600. That's one of the reasons our health care system costs 3 times more than any other first-world system and rates dead last in actual health care performance. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
Axil Axil wrote: There is a concept called “hot swaping” where a module is replaced without disabling the entire assemblage. . . . This is how the Rossi reactor should be built where hot swapping of the small modules is possible. I do not think hot swapping is practical when the cells are physically this hot. It would be like hot-swapping a burning stove in a restaurant. Rossi is building a 300-cell reactor with 350 cells. 50 are in reserve, or backup. In other words, instead of hot-swapping, a malfunctioning cell will be turned off, and one of the 50 reserve cells turned on. I believe that's the plan. It is similar to hot swapping but after you do it 50 times you have to stop. Eventually, you stop and do maintenance on all 350 cells, replacing the catalyst. I have no idea how he intends to replace the catalyst. With the mini-Rossi cells, I assume you turn one upside-down, shake it, and drain the catalyst out the hydrogen hook up. I don't think you want to turn upside down a 7 x 7 x 7 array of those things. Someone quoted the projected size, and I think it is roughly cubical, hence 7 x 7 x 7. But for all I know it could be 20 x 3 long x 6 layers high, or who-knows what. I mentioned earlier that I assume Rossi may have settled on the 50 ml cell, and he can always change out the nickel catalyst if he comes up with a better formula. I meant, he would take 300 finished cells off the testbed and shelves, dump out the catalyst, and pour in new catalyst. Repeat 300 times. Maybe it is harder than that, if the stuff has to adhere to the inside walls as someone suggested. Axil Axil suggests as zirconium tube for the cells. This is, of course, what is used in a fission reactor. I guess they are gas tight, unless you let the core melt down as they have done at Fukushima. Zr melts at 1852°C. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
Hi, On 5-5-2011 23:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: Axil Axil wrote: There is a concept called “hot swaping” where a module is replaced without disabling the entire assemblage. . . . This is how the Rossi reactor should be built where hot swapping of the small modules is possible. I do not think hot swapping is practical when the cells are physically this hot. It would be like hot-swapping a burning stove in a restaurant. Usually when you perform hot-swapping there is a so-called redundant or backup slot to replace an important unit, while keeping the whole system operational without any noticeable service-interruption. This is at least how telecom operators keep their transmission lines and exchanges running while they do maintenance at the same time on the faulty unit. In this case before removing a faulty unit you would naturally have to cool it down first. B.t.w. I like the modular concept very much, it's like working with Lego Building Blocks. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
Jed, hot swapping can be done. I am certain that utilities will not buy a Lenr reactor or any other type of reactor for that matter that must be totally replaced in just 6 month. If the 2.5 kw unit can only run for 6 months, then having 50 replacement sockets won’t matter, since after 6 months all 300 modules must ALL be replaced. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil wrote: There is a concept called “hot swaping” where a module is replaced without disabling the entire assemblage. . . . This is how the Rossi reactor should be built where hot swapping of the small modules is possible. I do not think hot swapping is practical when the cells are physically this hot. It would be like hot-swapping a burning stove in a restaurant. Rossi is building a 300-cell reactor with 350 cells. 50 are in reserve, or backup. In other words, instead of hot-swapping, a malfunctioning cell will be turned off, and one of the 50 reserve cells turned on. I believe that's the plan. It is similar to hot swapping but after you do it 50 times you have to stop. Eventually, you stop and do maintenance on all 350 cells, replacing the catalyst. I have no idea how he intends to replace the catalyst. With the mini-Rossi cells, I assume you turn one upside-down, shake it, and drain the catalyst out the hydrogen hook up. I don't think you want to turn upside down a 7 x 7 x 7 array of those things. Someone quoted the projected size, and I think it is roughly cubical, hence 7 x 7 x 7. But for all I know it could be 20 x 3 long x 6 layers high, or who-knows what. I mentioned earlier that I assume Rossi may have settled on the 50 ml cell, and he can always change out the nickel catalyst if he comes up with a better formula. I meant, he would take 300 finished cells off the testbed and shelves, dump out the catalyst, and pour in new catalyst. Repeat 300 times. Maybe it is harder than that, if the stuff has to adhere to the inside walls as someone suggested. Axil Axil suggests as zirconium tube for the cells. This is, of course, what is used in a fission reactor. I guess they are gas tight, unless you let the core melt down as they have done at Fukushima. Zr melts at 1852°C. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:Rossi interviewed on Radio24 [ITA]
Hi, On 5-5-2011 0:37, Jed Rothwell wrote: I can't imagine he makes 14 a day working by himself! He must have a staff of people at his factory, or outsourced. I seem to recall that Rossi mentioned he had a retired elderly engineer working for him building these reactors. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
System modularity is a very old and accepted way to configure a system. Power reactors must be highly reliable and modularity is how you do it. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 5:50 PM, Man on Bridges manonbrid...@aim.com wrote: Hi, On 5-5-2011 23:20, Jed Rothwell wrote: Axil Axil wrote: There is a concept called “hot swaping” where a module is replaced without disabling the entire assemblage. . . . This is how the Rossi reactor should be built where hot swapping of the small modules is possible. I do not think hot swapping is practical when the cells are physically this hot. It would be like hot-swapping a burning stove in a restaurant. Usually when you perform hot-swapping there is a so-called redundant or backup slot to replace an important unit, while keeping the whole system operational without any noticeable service-interruption. This is at least how telecom operators keep their transmission lines and exchanges running while they do maintenance at the same time on the faulty unit. In this case before removing a faulty unit you would naturally have to cool it down first. B.t.w. I like the modular concept very much, it's like working with Lego Building Blocks. Kind regards, MoB
Re: [Vo]:Rossi interviewed on Radio24 [ITA]
Man on Bridges wrote: I seem to recall that Rossi mentioned he had a retired elderly engineer working for him building these reactors. Not the reactors, the nickel catalyst powder. I sure hope he has another source by now! Inventors and discoverers are hostage to their suppliers and co-workers. Rossi's nightmare experiences with thermoelectric chips illustrates this. He cannot do everything himself. He has to depend on other people's skills, and these other people sometimes do not know how to reproduce their own work. Thus, Rossi worked for years on thermoelectric chips and then saw all the work go for nothing because it turned out others cannot do what he hoped they could do -- and he does not have the skills to do it all himself, any more than Edison could have mastered glass-blowing enough to invent the light bulb. Edison was forced to depend on Bohm, and Bohm often failed. Jones Beene imagines Rossi wasted years and dollars doing this for some nefarious reason. Outside of hot fusion, I have never met a scientist or inventor who works just to earn the grant money. They do RD in order to accomplish a result -- to make a product. Especially for an inventor, the grant money is a pittance compared to the profit if they succeed. They often fail, but it is never because they want to rip off the grant agency. It is because nature does not cooperate, and they do not know enough to succeed. It is never their intention to fail. Rossi has failed many times, of course. Any real inventor or scientist who does work of consequence will have failed far more often than he succeeded. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
Axil Axil wrote: System modularity is a very old and accepted way to configure a system. Power reactors must be highly reliable and modularity is how you do it. On the other hand, you do not remove and replace one fire tube or one fission reactor rod at a time, without turning off the whole machine! You do not swap out the landing gear or a turbine blade in a airplane in flight, although as someone remarked, that is more-or-less what they try to do in nuclear power plants, because it is so expensive to turn them off. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
It depends on the kind of reactor you consider. In a CANDU heavy water reactor, the nuclear fuel can be replaced on-the-fly. This is a big advantage that the CANDU’s have over the light water nuclear reactor designs which in my opinion are very poor. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil wrote: System modularity is a very old and accepted way to configure a system. Power reactors must be highly reliable and modularity is how you do it. On the other hand, you do not remove and replace one fire tube or one fission reactor rod at a time, without turning off the whole machine! You do not swap out the landing gear or a turbine blade in a airplane in flight, although as someone remarked, that is more-or-less what they try to do in nuclear power plants, because it is so expensive to turn them off. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
You will find that the internal heater will be the single point of failure that can cause a 2.5 kw module to fail and not fuel fatigue. High pressure hot hydrogen will reek havoc with the high temperature heater element and erode the element metal quickly. The heater is the weak spot in the Rossi design. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 6:09 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Axil Axil wrote: System modularity is a very old and accepted way to configure a system. Power reactors must be highly reliable and modularity is how you do it. On the other hand, you do not remove and replace one fire tube or one fission reactor rod at a time, without turning off the whole machine! You do not swap out the landing gear or a turbine blade in a airplane in flight, although as someone remarked, that is more-or-less what they try to do in nuclear power plants, because it is so expensive to turn them off. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Positron annihilation would have been seen by VB, and one of their meters was designed for that. Ah, but was it averaging or reading in real time? Remember The Event in the January test? The anecdotal 1.22 MeV photon may be opening a dimensional gateway for all we know which kickstarts a continuous reaction. I think we are nowhere near the box on this one. And, the cat + the cat's ghost have escaped with the ECat. I think 16 is getting close; but, 17 is closer. T
Re: [Vo]:Misplaced priorities
The purpose of the German Shepard was to track ObL in the event that he escaped to a rathole like Sodamninsane. It was also trained to detect IEDs. T
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- Ongoing analysis
I'm restructuring my paper a bit, and completing my write-up of the April test. Looking at : http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3166578.ece/BINARY/original/Test_1_april+058_600px.jpg I'm being too generous in my volume calculations for all the mini-eCat tests. a) That board is very thick -- and made of two boards stuck together. Plenty of room in there to hide a large layer of NiCad batteries. b) Or room to make some kind of connection to the three naked eCats. They could contain batteries, OR could be hydrogen and oxygen pressurized containers. Hmmm ... one Hydrogen and Two oxygen ... does that ratio sound familiar? For batteries, the securing bolts (two!) provide a conducting path down into the board (insulating), where there's plenty of room for wires. For H/O2 -- the securing bolts are large enough to drill a hole down the center, run tubes through the board and up into the test eCAT. - - - - - Also, the April CoP ratio 8.5, 7.3 is LOWER than the theoretical limit for a heat pump, and should therefore be tested against. And just to remind you of my motivation in all this : a) I can say I BELIEVE the eCat is real. OR b) I can conclude from the published results and media reports that the eCAT is PROBABLY real. (preponderance of evidence) OR c) I can PROVE from the published results that the eCAT is real (beyond all reasonable doubt, and even big categories of unreasonable doubt).
Re: [Vo]:FAKE or REAL -- April test -- Ongoing analysis
At 04:01 PM 5/5/2011, Alan J Fletcher wrote:es. Hmmm ... one Hydrogen and Two oxygen ... does that ratio sound familiar? TWO Hydrogen and ONE Oxygen
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
I had a dream the other night about quantum weapons. These would be weapons which utilize the observer to collapse wave equations at will. Now, use your imagination on this one. Ever see Wizards? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0076929/ It had a remarkable ending when the good wizard, brother to the bad wizard, explained the trick that their mother had taught to only the good wizard. Anyone remember the trick? T
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 15:32:13 -0400: Hi, [snip] With all those hundreds of modules, unless this is done, the reactor will be down for maintenance about 90% of the time. It should be possible to just shut down just the individual reactor that needs to be maintained, and swap it out. That way the entire setup doesn't need to be shut down. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:RaiNews24 (ITA)
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 17:54:35 -0400: Hi, [snip] If the 2.5 kw unit can only run for 6 months, then having 50 replacement sockets wont matter, since after 6 months all 300 modules must ALL be replaced. That depends on how long it takes to swap a module. If the computer simply switches in a new one, and switches out the old one to let it cool off, while alerting staff, then the old one can be replaced as soon as it is cool. I wouldn't expect all modules to die at precisely the same time after six months, due to natural variability in the output. Besides you could stagger the process by supplying some with less Nickel than others, so that they deliberately fail sooner. Then you start the replacement process after say 1 month, replacing a couple each day. The replacements all have a full load, so they tend to last another 6 months, maintaining the staggering. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 08:44:02 -0700: Hi, [snip] 13) This floor is always missing ..or just the exit as the elevator goes past? ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 09:55:57 -0700: Hi, [snip] 15) The Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H nucleus. I have never given this much credence, because anti-matter has positive mass, so his nuclei would weigh too much. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]: refueling process and reserve units...
I don't understand the concern about refueling... The process is really simple. You only startup 25 units per day... So it takes 12 days to get the entire 300 units up and running. When it comes time to do the 6 months refueling, you only refuel 25 per day and the reserve units are more than enough to handle the job. In two weeks, you're all done with the refueling and you're good to go for another 6 months... And even if you did start them all up in one day, but only do 25 refuelings/day, so what if you're 2 weeks over 6 months to complete the refueling... I think there's more than enough un-reacted Ni to last that extra 2 weeks while your busy refueling. -Mark
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Jed Rothwell's message of Thu, 05 May 2011 14:51:34 -0400: Hi, [snip] Ed Storms suggests: H-e-H -- D - Jed The problem with this one is that the energy is all taken by the neutrino (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction#The_pep_reaction). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 18:28:59 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:11 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Positron annihilation would have been seen by VB, and one of their meters was designed for that. Ah, but was it averaging or reading in real time? Remember The Event in the January test? The anecdotal 1.22 MeV photon may be opening a dimensional gateway for all we know which kickstarts a continuous reaction. Electron annihilation doesn't produce a 1.22 MeV photon. It produces two 511 keV photons (180 deg. apart). Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 13:21:00 -0400: Hi, [snip] Some trigger event happens to this collection of protons that convert some substantial fraction of these many protons to neutrons comprised of one up quark and two down quarks. Some ultra low energy based factor in nature can transform up and down quarks into each other are beyond the pale of todays physics. Even thinking that this mechanism of transmutation is even possible is a burning offence at CERN. Is it even too extreme for Vortex? ..but apparently not for NASA. What you describing is W-L en masse. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:25:10 video re Andea Rossi with stirring background music and English translation, with details about two previous major inventions that failed wastefully, and public demos from Jan 15 to Apr 2
25:10 video re Andea Rossi with stirring background music and English translation, with details about two previous major inventions that failed wastefully, and public demos from Jan 15 to Apr 25: Rich Murray 2011.05.05 http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/05/05/the-magic-of-mr-rossi-in-english/ 25:10 video with stirring background music and English translation, with details about two previous major inventions that failed and wasted huge investments in past decades, with views of public demonstrations from Jan 15 to April 25.
Re: [Vo]: refueling process and reserve units...
*“I don't understand the concern about refueling... The process is really simple”* In your vision of the large Rossi reactor, do you break out an acetylene torch and de- solder the copper fittings that surround the stainless steel reaction vessel? Do you drain all the water out of the reactors steam loop? Do you compromise the steam circuit to remove a 2.5 kw unit? When you get the reactor back together, do you rerun boiler certification pressure tests? How long will all this take to accomplish? From the pictures we see, I think that this is all required as a result of the way the current Rossi 2.5 kw unit is being manufactured. On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:10 PM, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net wrote: I don't understand the concern about refueling... The process is really simple. You only startup 25 units per day... So it takes 12 days to get the entire 300 units up and running. When it comes time to do the 6 months refueling, you only refuel 25 per day and the reserve units are more than enough to handle the job. In two weeks, you're all done with the refueling and you're good to go for another 6 months... And even if you did start them all up in one day, but only do 25 refuelings/day, so what if you're 2 weeks over 6 months to complete the refueling... I think there's more than enough un-reacted Ni to last that extra 2 weeks while your busy refueling. -Mark
Re: [Vo]: refueling process and reserve units...
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 23:39:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] In your vision of the large Rossi reactor, do you break out an acetylene torch and de- solder the copper fittings that surround the stainless steel reaction vessel? Do you drain all the water out of the reactors steam loop? Do you compromise the steam circuit to remove a 2.5 kw unit? When you get the reactor back together, do you rerun boiler certification pressure tests? How long will all this take to accomplish? [snip] You can arrange computer controlled valves in the plumbing to shuttle input water/output steam however you like. After the computer takes the device out of the active circuit, it can cool off naturally. Then someone has to physically replace it, which can either be easy or difficult, depending on the specific mechanical features built into the array design. Though I don't know of any off hand, I imagine that there are garden hose type connections available for this sort of thing. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 04:09:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. [snip] He also didn't say how long it was at that temperature, it may have only been a split second. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:What is the D2 Canister next to the H2 Canister
It had to be long enough to measure and record it; a number of seconds at a minimum. It is hard to say what part of the reactor is the first point of failure. We cannot assume that the nickel catalyst (NiO?) would fail first. The reactor would not last long at that temperature because the reactor vessel walls would begin to melt at 1400C. As the walls of the reactor vessel weakened, boosted by the heat, the hydrogen under very high pressure would escape at some point and explode. Also, the internal heater would fail at such high temperatures. On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:05 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 04:09:15 -0400: Hi, [snip] The very fact that the Rossi process can ever got to 1600C indicated that the active nuclear areas in the catalyst survived to at least that temperature level. This indicates that the melting point of the catalyst was a few hundred degree C above that 1600C temperature. NiO melts at 2000C. [snip] He also didn't say how long it was at that temperature, it may have only been a split second. ;) Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]: refueling process and reserve units...
All sorts of wonderful things can be designed into the Rossi type system. Judging from the pictures we have seen of the prototype modules for the 1 MeV demo model, I am only saying that these innovative designs would not be there in the first commercial product release on or about October. You won’t see a computer controlled system for some year going forward. It will take some years for a quality Rossi type reactor product to be properly designed and emerge commercially. A performance, availability, and reliability track record must be produced by real world use. This takes time. As a user, I would let someone else debug this system. I would wait five years before I would even consider going with this type of reactor to give the design some time to perfect and solidify. Never buy version 1.0 of anything. Regards, Axil On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 12:02 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 23:39:11 -0400: Hi, [snip] In your vision of the large Rossi reactor, do you break out an acetylene torch and de- solder the copper fittings that surround the stainless steel reaction vessel? Do you drain all the water out of the reactors steam loop? Do you compromise the steam circuit to remove a 2.5 kw unit? When you get the reactor back together, do you rerun boiler certification pressure tests? How long will all this take to accomplish? [snip] You can arrange computer controlled valves in the plumbing to shuttle input water/output steam however you like. After the computer takes the device out of the active circuit, it can cool off naturally. Then someone has to physically replace it, which can either be easy or difficult, depending on the specific mechanical features built into the array design. Though I don't know of any off hand, I imagine that there are garden hose type connections available for this sort of thing. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
[Vo]:Confined Protonium close proximity to free and valence ellectrons
Confined Proton close proximity to free electrons in the lattice-but they can establish orbitals as the electrons are sucked into the space between the protons. Should we call it a new state of matter---Protonium??? These neutrons are moving very minimally not like the neutrons from other nuclear reactions, fusion or fission. There is another case where like charges are clustered together: The Sphere on a Van de Graaf Generator accumulates electrons on the outside surface. Usually people argue that they are spreading out as much as possible to get away from each other, but that simply is not true. Yes they are retreating as far as possible from the charges on the opposite outer surface of the sphere; however, they crowd next to each other on the very surface whereas one should expect them to distribute themselves on the inside of the sphere as well as the outside of the sphere; instead, they would all rather crowd together on the surface! I realize that particles are modeled as having spin but there is some thought that this is not physically real. This however would be caused by a literal spin causing the like charges to magnetically attract each other. (Draw a bunch of clockwise circling arrows adjacent sides are moving in opposite directions causing them to attract each other, just as parallel wires are attracted to each other if an electrical current travels through them in opposite directions. In other words, we might want to model shells of spinning protons being driven outward by magnetic repulsion (since all rotating protons in the shell have like-magnetic poles (S-S) or (N-N) on opposite sides of the sphere, causing it to forcefully expand into the lattice where the relatively stationary protons can assimilate electrons in the confinement of the lattice.. Perhaps Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 13:21:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Mass-to-Energy From: janap...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com From all experimental indications, I agree that this multi proton fusion is what makes the Rossi reactor and go. To put some conceptual meat on this bone, at least 60 some odd protons and maybe many more are packed into a small (sub nanometer?) hole in the lattice of nickel. These protons are comprised of two ups quarks and a down quark. There is no anti matter clustering (allowed?) inside the hydrogen nucleus. Some trigger event happens to this collection of protons that convert some substantial fraction of these many protons to neutrons comprised of one up quark and two down quarks. Some ultra low energy based factor in nature can transform up and down quarks into each other are beyond the pale of today’s physics. Even thinking that this mechanism of transmutation is even possible is a burning offence at CERN. Is it even too extreme for Vortex? On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Add multibody H reaction; not H+H but H+H+H+H . . . Not sure how many times. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:The Modus Operandi List for Radiation Free Energy Gain
Robin, I agree that if anti-matter has positive mass there can't be any in an H nucleus. But I'm not sure anti-matters mass is proven to be positive experimentally. If Mill's 5th force experiment is correct then gravitational mass doesn't equal inertial mass and all bets are off. If you search Anti-Hydrogen CERN is planning an experiment to test its action in a gravitational field. In any case Brightsen's model is interesting for all of the other correct predictions it makes and may also offer a mechanism for the transmutation of Ni to Cu without the expected radioactivity. If you are interested. His nephew, Robert Davic, sent me all of his published papers as pdf''s I would be happy to share them with you, as I don't have the background to really dig into them critically. Ron --On Friday, May 06, 2011 1:08 PM +1000 mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 5 May 2011 09:55:57 -0700: Hi, [snip] 15) The Brightsen model of antimatter clusters within the H nucleus. I have never given this much credence, because anti-matter has positive mass, so his nuclei would weigh too much. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]: refueling process and reserve units...
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Fri, 6 May 2011 00:41:20 -0400: Hi, [snip] All sorts of wonderful things can be designed into the Rossi type system. Judging from the pictures we have seen of the prototype modules for the 1 MeV demo model, I am only saying that these innovative designs would not be there in the first commercial product release on or about October. You wont see a computer controlled system for some year going forward. That's quite possible, but even manual valves would allow single units to be easily isolated, and that's the main point. It will take some years for a quality Rossi type reactor product to be properly designed and emerge commercially. Probably. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
