Re: [Vo]:10 to 15 MW wind turbines under development
They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of Europe (Germany, Denmark) already look as if the land is used for nothing but wind turbines and high-voltage lines. If you've got enough landscape that'll probably not be much of a problem (yet). Over here it feels rather like you can't find a spot anywhere where you can turn round and not see at least a hundred of them. Considering they're contributing a mere 6% of the overall electricity (in Germany) in an unpredictable manner and utterly unrelated to demand, it is high time to find an alternative.
[Vo]:RFG ?
Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
Re: [Vo]:RFG ?
I think there is no RFG requirement specifically but that Resonance/energizing is probably sensitive to different types of EMR such as radio waves, microwaves, infrared, optical, ultraviolet, X-rays, and gamma-rays. Seems like DGT is using a combination of IR at a given operating temp and maybe oscillating current/voltage in the second heating/sustain phase. NASA appers to be looking at laser/optical as a form of excitement On Friday, January 27, 2012, mar...@krteknik.com wrote: Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
RE: [Vo]:RFG ?
Marten, One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones -Original Message- From: mar...@krteknik.com Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
Re: [Vo]:RFG ?
Yup On Friday, January 27, 2012, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Marten, One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones -Original Message- From: mar...@krteknik.com Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
RE: [Vo]:RFG ?
Marten, One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones Jones, for those of us who want to replicate Rossi, how does one go about building such a RF antenna? Any schematic or drawing. Any suggestions on frequency and power requirement as well as how to integrate it into the reactor design. You physicists tell us engineers how to build it and we will build it and try to replicate Rossi. Any suggestions and guidelines pointing us in the right direction will help a lot in coming up with a viable design. Jojo
[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:RFG ?
Hello Yup Did not think of that. Marten Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:RFG ? Datum: fre, jan 27, 2012 14:54 Marten, One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones -Original Message- From: mar...@krteknik.com Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
RE: [Vo]:RFG ?
One other point about RF stimulation, argon, near-UV light, and achieving continuity in the flow of excess energy from Ni-H reactors. If you have followed the foundation theory and work of Randell Mills with Ni-H then you are aware that argon is one of his catalysts - having orbitals with ionization potential that correspond to multiples of the Rydberg value (27.2 eV). This is the all important energy value - the key to Ni-H which connects theory to practical implementation. (in one view). UV light at the low end of the blacklight spectrum can have energy levels at harmonics of 3.4 eV and 6.8 eV - and thus are a whole fractional level of Rydberg energy (harmonic). That would indicate that these photons could be catalytic for stimulating a Thermal reaction with Ni-H at a higher harmonic. It is almost impossible to produce UV efficiently at the full value of 27.2 eV for a number of technical reasons. Argon can be stimulated with a few watts of noisy RF to emit 3.4 eV photons in massive amounts. A simple RF generator to accomplish this costs almost nothing, resembles a Tesla coil, and could be enclosed in the reactor itself or the control box, with RF fed through a coax. Pictures of the Rossi reactor show what appear to be coax connectors. No one has ever been able to account for all or the leads in the reactor some of which are hidden during demos. The first time the Rossi's RFG was shown in public, it actually had a piece of tape with a hand written label in English: Tesla Coil. Later he combine the RFG into the control box. Most importantly - we hear recently that Celani is actually using argon with hydrogen in his version of Ni-H. Why? Well Celani knows of Mills' work, of course, but Celani also has many associates at UB, who are associates of Rossi. Celani he has been involved in this technology for a decade before Rossi burst on the scene. Celani is also a very charming man, with many friends on both sides of the Atlantic. He did not suddenly dream-up out of the blue, so to speak, the wild idea of using argon/hydrogen mixed, like Mills uses. Connect the dots. Jones One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones
Re: [Vo]:Forum ?
There is a forum for that already, http://www.ecatplanet.net/forum.php We just need more members... How do we encourage more people to join that forum? I joined that forum a long time ago but very few people post there. Bill, sorry for trying to move people away from your mailing list, but I just honestly think a forum format would make following discussions and responding easier. It would make topic classification more clearer. Moderation will also be easier. All in all, a significant advantage. Can I prevail on you once more to consider moving vortex-l into a forum format?
RE: [Vo]:RFG ?
From: Jojo Jaro * Any suggestions and guidelines pointing us in the right direction will help a lot in coming up with a viable design. Jojo, I see now that an important YouTube video reference, from the same guy who provided the blue light one, was glossed-over on vortex yesterday, and not discussed like it was elsewhere. It is this one, but there could be others that are helpful - as I have not had time to look at all of them from the same person: http://www.youtube.com/user/magnetvortex#p/u/4/bI7f6E2R_VA This video should not only answer your questions about what is going on with the blue light circuitry (which he cannibalized from a plasma globe) but could suggest how to cheaply built a larger unit-even to beef it up to perhaps 50 watts or so, which is supposedly what Rossi's RF coil is drawing. I doubt that the particular weird coil design being used (the unpronounceable name that starts with Kappa) is necessary, but hey - why not? It does not look like rocket science to wind it. If only Rossi could be trusted about the 50 watts ! Jones attachment: winmail.dat
[Vo]:Ang.: [Vo]:RFG ?
Tes, Im connecting, and it makes a nice picture, nickel, argone, dirty harmonics and some h2 and we have liftoff :) Pun intended Skickat från min HTC - Reply message - Från: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net Till: vortex-l@eskimo.com Rubrik: [Vo]:RFG ? Datum: fre, jan 27, 2012 15:34 One other point about RF stimulation, argon, near-UV light, and achieving continuity in the flow of excess energy from Ni-H reactors. If you have followed the foundation theory and work of Randell Mills with Ni-H then you are aware that argon is one of his catalysts - having orbitals with ionization potential that correspond to multiples of the Rydberg value (27.2 eV). This is the all important energy value - the key to Ni-H which connects theory to practical implementation. (in one view). UV light at the low end of the blacklight spectrum can have energy levels at harmonics of 3.4 eV and 6.8 eV - and thus are a whole fractional level of Rydberg energy (harmonic). That would indicate that these photons could be catalytic for stimulating a Thermal reaction with Ni-H at a higher harmonic. It is almost impossible to produce UV efficiently at the full value of 27.2 eV for a number of technical reasons. Argon can be stimulated with a few watts of noisy RF to emit 3.4 eV photons in massive amounts. A simple RF generator to accomplish this costs almost nothing, resembles a Tesla coil, and could be enclosed in the reactor itself or the control box, with RF fed through a coax. Pictures of the Rossi reactor show what appear to be coax connectors. No one has ever been able to account for all or the leads in the reactor some of which are hidden during demos. The first time the Rossi's RFG was shown in public, it actually had a piece of tape with a hand written label in English: Tesla Coil. Later he combine the RFG into the control box. Most importantly - we hear recently that Celani is actually using argon with hydrogen in his version of Ni-H. Why? Well Celani knows of Mills' work, of course, but Celani also has many associates at UB, who are associates of Rossi. Celani he has been involved in this technology for a decade before Rossi burst on the scene. Celani is also a very charming man, with many friends on both sides of the Atlantic. He did not suddenly dream-up out of the blue, so to speak, the wild idea of using argon/hydrogen mixed, like Mills uses. Connect the dots. Jones One of the reasons for posting the blue vortex video yesterday was to show how a single wire can provide adequate RF as a stimulus. The key feature of this is a spark gap which can be internal or external. Spark gaps are not very sensitive to heat. The blue light emission from the bulb is coherent enough to show that a single spark gap diode, combined with a coil (variation of Tesla coil) can provide RF which is capable of ionizing a noble gas. You do not need precision waves or lots of circuitry for this task - nor any kind of adjustment capability. What is needed only is a special kind of irradiation spectrum, which corresponds to a blackbody emission characteristic which you want to stimulate in that active material. In the case of Rossi, he likely need near UV not too different from the bulb. Thus the simplicity. Stimulation by RF to attain QM superradiance does not require high power. The light bulb shown was powered with a few watts. Get it? Jones
[Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
here is the map: http://g.co/maps/pmdbm less than 100Km from Rossi lab not considering error. How is the 1MW reactor doing? Shouldn't be under test? The customer is expecting a working 1MW plant in a few weeks. mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
1MW is quite an insignificant power compared to any perceptible earthquake... 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com here is the map: http://g.co/maps/pmdbm less than 100Km from Rossi lab not considering error. How is the 1MW reactor doing? Shouldn't be under test? The customer is expecting a working 1MW plant in a few weeks. mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
OMG! The quantum coupled coherence is propagating in the Force and threatens to shred the very fabric of space! If it reaches the large hadron collider . . . . . . overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out. T
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Terry sez: OMG! The quantum coupled coherence is propagating in the Force and threatens to shred the very fabric of space! If it reaches the large hadron collider . . . . . . overhead, without any fuss, the stars were going out. Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
RE: [Vo]:The color of vortex?
Junes Novelty plasma balls form strings although Ar plasma is usually more purple than blue. I think it must be due to his excitation method.It would be nice if he some how got excess out of the W but wouldn't that at least require some H in the gas? Ar is supposed to be a Mills catalyst but I didn't see much when I experimented with a Ar/H2 tube fired with RF. Nothing like the Sr which was dramatic. As usual we don't have enough information to draw any conclusions. Ron --On Thursday, January 26, 2012 1:52 PM -0800 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Ron, Yes - Maybe the color is due to argon plasma - which is blue color - but still, it should not be stringy. The glow pattern seems to be coming from only the filament, and too linear to be normal plasma, no? And it is a very long filament. In another video he uses that same bulb, and the yellowish light is seen which is more typical. Presumably they are both filled with the same gas. If the color were indicative of the blackbody radiation of tungsten, the shift from yellow to blue represents about a 5000 degrees increase in temperature, nearly double. Here is a chart that displays the applicable temp - color variation in a dramatic way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:PlanckianLocus.png Since the intensity of light is less than expected with grid AC going through the bulb, but the spectrum is shifted to blue, it seems like it must be some kind of surface near field effect where the argon plasma stays very near the metal as if captured. OK. Eureka! just had a flash of insight. Here is a close-up of a typical tungsten filament, showing the very tight secondary helix that is hard to see without magnification. http://twinkle_toes_engineering.home.comcast.net/~twinkle_toes_engineering/t ungsten_filament.jpg Perhaps argon plasma stays within this helix and gets heated by induction and captured in a linear string? This is kinda like the 'stellarator' of project Sherwood, but that is giving away my age. -Original Message- From: Ron Wormus Jones It looks like he ionized the Argon gas in the bulb. Is he using RF modulated with audio frequency sq waves? Still it should get hot. Ron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzkvoTsixYfeature=related why is this light emission blue? The implications of a tungsten filament emitting at a higher frequency than expected is intriguing ...
Re: [Vo]:RFG ?
Maybe he is using the RF to excite an ultrasonic Piezo transducer attached to his core to vibrate the powder. Ron --On Friday, January 27, 2012 5:31 AM -0700 mar...@krteknik.com wrote: Hello guys I would like your opinion on the rfg subject. If Rossi is using a rfg to somehow stimulate the reaction, how has he applied it ? I cant see any wires going into the reactor core on any pictures, except for the heater that is wrapped around it. And .. if the coil is fitted in the center of the core, it must be able to withstand 500c, and should therefore be mounted in a metal tube, like copper, and the amount of rf going in the reactor must not me very high, due to the skin effect right ? An rossi aint using much watts for the electronics according to mats lewans report, if i remember it right. So how is he doing it ? Any ideas ? Im going to try it myself, but i have no good solution for it exept using a induction heater of sorts, but Rossi cant be using anything like it due to cost, and power drain, so it must be done by other means. p.s sorry for my english, im not a native english speaker . :) Marten
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYDI7zUqSc T
Re: [Vo]:Preparata's Intra-Cathode Current?
The error remains in the 2002 edition.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:37 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Ah, I got double-whammied:
1) It was Beaudette that said 100,000 watts per cm^3 (that string is
outside of the quotation marks meant to designated Preparata's words.
2) Lynn said gram rather than cm^3 so his correction on comma vs
period didn't register with me.
Thanks for clearing that up.
Perhaps Beaudette corrected that in his 2002 edition. I was reading from
the 2000 edition.
In any event, the high *reproducibility* of Preparata's work has not yet
been equaled has it?
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:21 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
([1E9 * ounce_troy] * [{12.02 * gramm} / {(centi*meter)^3}]^-1) * ([100 *
{kilo watt}] / [{centi*meter}^3]) ? watt
= 2.5876415E14 W
over 200 terawatts.
Unfortunately, I think Preparata meant 100 not 100,000. The comma is a
decimal point. I do not understand why he added 3 digits of precision to a
rough approximation. Anyway, that comes to 0.2 TW, which is about 1/100 of
world energy production. Fleischmann once estimated that Pd can supply
about 1/3 of total energy. I confirmed it is in that ballpark, ~30% to ~50%.
Here is my estimation.
I assume that power density and temperature with palladium can be
increased to the limits of the material. That is to say up to the highest
temperatures in which thin-film palladium can survive. Or nanoparticles in
aerogel, or what-have-you. The limiting factor is how thinly you can spread
the palladium and have it remain on the substrate and in contact with the
medium, which will probably be D2 gas.
About half of palladium nowadays is used in catalytic converters. Hot gas
from internal combustion engines flows over the palladium surface and is
catalyzed. I assume this technology is pushed to the limit. They use the
smallest amount palladium they can, spreading it as thinly as they can with
maximum exposure to the moving gas. A palladium based cold fusion cell
would have palladium spread roughly as thin as this, producing temperatures
roughly as high as this. If they could make in any thinner, they would.
This technology has been around for a while and it is probably mature.
Nearly all of the energy from an automobile is wasted as hot gas. In
other words, the hot gas that passes over the palladium surface is roughly
equal to the total amount of energy produced by gasoline in the
transportation sector. To put it another way, if the heat was being
produced by the palladium inside the catalytic converter, instead of coming
from the engine to the converter, you would get nearly as much energy as
you get from gasoline now.
To simplify a great deal, assuming that cold fusion can achieve the same
temperatures as palladium experiences in a catalytic converter, half of our
palladium could produce roughly as much energy as the entire automotive
transportation sector does now: 27 out of 99 quads. All of our palladium
could therefore produce roughly 50 out of 99 quads.
Actually the number is higher for various reasons:
* The palladium is not used up as quickly in a cold fusion device as it
is in a catalytic converter.
* The palladium is more easily and completely recovered from a used cold
fusion cell, assuming it is not transmuted.
* Palladium production will be increased as demand increases.
This is a crude estimate but I believe it does show that there is not
enough palladium to produce all the energy we need. If it turns out
palladium is the only suitable metal, we would have large centralized
generators producing most of our energy, supplying it as electricity for
use in electric cars and so on. We would not actually put the palladium in
automobiles, and probably not in houses either.
- Jed
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
MIchele, Scusa, ma va la ! ; P Giovanni On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYDI7zUqSc T
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Daniel I agree, of course. Even if there is nothing to joke about earthquakes. I was not serious: a bit of relax doing some scifi speculation can be healthy. After all, without a definitive theory in place, we cannot foresee any possible *side effect* of a new type of energy source. Do we? mic Il giorno 27/gen/2012 17:06, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com ha scritto: 1MW is quite an insignificant power compared to any perceptible earthquake... 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com here is the map: http://g.co/maps/pmdbm less than 100Km from Rossi lab not considering error. How is the 1MW reactor doing? Shouldn't be under test? The customer is expecting a working 1MW plant in a few weeks. mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Good grief Giovanni! ;-) Thank God, Terry is on the list! ;-) mic 2012/1/27 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com: MIchele, Scusa, ma va la ! ; P Giovanni On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYDI7zUqSc T
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
The earth is not really shaking, Rossi has altered the fabric of spacetime with his device and it just appears that way from an outside observer... On Friday, January 27, 2012, Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com wrote: MIchele, Scusa, ma va la ! ; P Giovanni On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:11 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 11:26 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: Atheist, ACC, is probably chuckling over that one, wherever he is. Thank You To God For Making Me An Atheist! T
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
Well, I cannot imagine how to correlate earthquakes with cold fusion... That's a problem. 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Daniel I agree, of course. Even if there is nothing to joke about earthquakes. I was not serious: a bit of relax doing some scifi speculation can be healthy. After all, without a definitive theory in place, we cannot foresee any possible *side effect* of a new type of energy source. Do we? mic Il giorno 27/gen/2012 17:06, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com ha scritto: 1MW is quite an insignificant power compared to any perceptible earthquake... 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com here is the map: http://g.co/maps/pmdbm less than 100Km from Rossi lab not considering error. How is the 1MW reactor doing? Shouldn't be under test? The customer is expecting a working 1MW plant in a few weeks. mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
COMPLOT !!! A..(joke mode) the FUD is starting to spread, in order to block LENR. the science is not even validated by the media, and industrially independently prooved (but soon will), that the agente of FUD are starting to spread the FUD... some talk about polution by heat (because nobody see another)... some talk abou chain reaction, explosions... some tak about war caused by Nickel hunt... some talk about change in isotopic ration of H, or even shortage of H... and now, like AGW, the earthquake... AHHH it is the punition of God, or Mother Gaïa punishing us for not restricting our consumption... you can expect now ... the electromagnetic waves ahhh we will all have cancer neutrinos... ahh we cannot see them even with a geiger... ahh ... we will all die... (end of joke mode) maybe is it not a joke... maybe is the process on the way... maybe it is the emerging behavior of a society that have learn to be afraid of everything, and lobbies that gain cash on those fear they teach us. emerging behavior of a gang of rats in a barn full of chickens. I have said since the beginning of defkalion success, that incumbent will use th fears to block that new disruptive technology, and keep today's hierarchy of wealth. be careful, fear is today a political and thus economic tool. 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
You can start here: www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/JonesSEgeofusiona.pdf mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Well, I cannot imagine how to correlate earthquakes with cold fusion... That's a problem. 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Daniel I agree, of course. Even if there is nothing to joke about earthquakes. I was not serious: a bit of relax doing some scifi speculation can be healthy. After all, without a definitive theory in place, we cannot foresee any possible *side effect* of a new type of energy source. Do we? mic Il giorno 27/gen/2012 17:06, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com ha scritto: 1MW is quite an insignificant power compared to any perceptible earthquake... 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com here is the map: http://g.co/maps/pmdbm less than 100Km from Rossi lab not considering error. How is the 1MW reactor doing? Shouldn't be under test? The customer is expecting a working 1MW plant in a few weeks. mic 2012/1/27 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: Coincidence with what? 2012/1/27 Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com Just a simple coincidence? look where the epicenter of those (for now) little earthquakes that are shacking the regions below the Alps in the last days. I know that is highly speculative... or maybe not? someone here is able to connect the dot? :-) mic -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com -- Daniel Rocha - RJ danieldi...@gmail.com
Re: [Vo]:Small Earthquakes in Northern Italy
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: Good grief Giovanni! ;-) Thank God, Terry is on the list! ;-) Ackshully, I am not an atheist. I took this test: http://www.beliefnet.com/Entertainment/Quizzes/BeliefOMatic.aspx and it says that I am a neo-pagan. Humph! I thought I was a gnostic (not agnostic). Here is a much shorter path to enlightenment: http://brucemhood.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/picture-1.png (Found on the bumper of a car: Militant Agnostic - I don't know and NEITHER DO YOU!!) TGIF T
Re: [Vo]:10 to 15 MW wind turbines under development
Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de mailto:yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of Europe (Germany, Denmark) already look as if the land is used for nothing but wind turbines and high-voltage lines. I agree they are ugly. That is a serious problem. The only reason I don't mind seeing them is because I figure they are temporary. In 100 years, they will be gone, along with high-voltage lines for conventional power generation. They are better than nuclear plants. Ask the Japanese. . . . it is high time to find an alternative. Amen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:10 to 15 MW wind turbines under development
I find wind turbines beautiful not ugly, why are they ugly? Giovanni On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of Europe (Germany, Denmark) already look as if the land is used for nothing but wind turbines and high-voltage lines. I agree they are ugly. That is a serious problem. The only reason I don't mind seeing them is because I figure they are temporary. In 100 years, they will be gone, along with high-voltage lines for conventional power generation. They are better than nuclear plants. Ask the Japanese. . . . it is high time to find an alternative. Amen. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:10 to 15 MW wind turbines under development
I am sure they could be improved in appearance a lot, but there hasn't been much effort toward beauty. Ancient windmills were much nicer. mic 2012/1/27 Giovanni Santostasi gsantost...@gmail.com: I find wind turbines beautiful not ugly, why are they ugly? Giovanni On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Yamali Yamali yamaliyam...@yahoo.de wrote: They're also dominating the landscape ever more. Certain parts of Europe (Germany, Denmark) already look as if the land is used for nothing but wind turbines and high-voltage lines. I agree they are ugly. That is a serious problem. The only reason I don't mind seeing them is because I figure they are temporary. In 100 years, they will be gone, along with high-voltage lines for conventional power generation. They are better than nuclear plants. Ask the Japanese. . . . it is high time to find an alternative. Amen. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective
There is an unrecognized potential nuclear nightmare. We just experienced the strongest solar storm since 2003. Fortunately, it only struck our geomagnetic field a glancing blow. Has it hit directly, it could have brought down power grids for very long periods of time. A nuclear plant without grid power for a month is a meltdown candidate as the standby diesel generators depend upon the grid. NASA and NOAA predict we are in for a dangerous few years of solar storms with the potential to collapse power grids worldwide for years. To see what that can cause, see: 400 Chernobyls? at my non-profit website www.aesopinstitute.org Decentralized, cost-competitive energy must now become an urgent matter. Mark From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson [svj.orionwo...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:16 PM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective Considering the pro/con ramifications of building 15 MW wind turbines I also noticed that there was some badmouthing of nuclear plants. I'm certainly all for getting rid of nuclear plants as soon as feasibly possible. However, before cleaner cheaper energy becomes ubiquitous it stands to reason that nuclear plans should still be considered a reasonably effective way of generating heat electricity. In the aftermath of the tragic Fukushima disaster many citizens of the planet have become terrified of the evils of nuclear energy and, of course, they have reason. There is, however, real irony in a little understood fact that nuclear plants (under normal operating conditions) emit less radiation into the atmosphere than equivalent coal fire plants. Probably a lot less. What the Fukushima disaster appears to have taught us in huge spades is the fact that locating nuclear plants where both earthquakes and tsunamis will occur on a regular basis is a really, really, REALLY bad idea. The lesson learned: DON'T do it! I want my sushi cold, not hot! OTOH, take another country, like France. They seem to have a pretty good handle on managing their nuclear plants. France's government wisely settled on standardizing the design of their nuclear plants. Standardization helped make it easier to comprehend what each plant's overall strengths and weaknesses are. It helps them know how best to maintain ALL of their nuclear plants. I'd imagine most of the French countryside is not prone to the ravages of fault lines either. Nor are tsunamis an issue - except perhaps for locations close to the Atlantic coast. The lesson learned: No fault lines nearby? No tsunamis nearby? Ok then, let's consider building a nuke plant here... but only after we talk a little more about it over a glass of wine. In the end, I hope my pro-nuclear stance is quickly rendered nothing more than an academic argument. I certainly hope so. However, in the absence of absolute certainty I feel it would be wise of me to continue hedging my bets. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
Re: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
In reply to OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson's message of Thu, 26 Jan 2012 12:51:43 -0600: Hi, [snip] Sounds to me as if UB is still interested. However, they are still waiting for Rossi to fork over some research money. I wonder if Ross will decide if it's still worth doing. I get the impression that Rossi probably doesn't have 500,000 to spare for academia - right now. [snip] I think they are willing to do a calorimetric test (which is relatively quick and cheap), probably for free, but would require payment for a more in depth experimental study into the actual mechanism involved. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: What the Fukushima disaster appears to have taught us in huge spades is the fact that locating nuclear plants where both earthquakes and tsunamis will occur on a regular basis is a really, really, REALLY bad idea. The lesson learned: DON'T do it! I want my sushi cold, not hot! That would be the whole of Japan, since they use seawater to cool the reactors. They do not have enough large rivers with year-round flows to locate them inland. In Japan at present there are 54 reactors. All but 3 are closed down. The other 51 are either damaged or destroyed by the earthquake, or under inspection. See: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-27/japan-has-3-reactors-with-6-4-of-total-capacity-online-table-.html They are finding many problems. In one day, nuclear power went from being the cheapest and most reliable source of energy in Japan to being unimaginably expensive. Expensive enough to effectively bankrupt TEPCO, one of the largest power companies on earth. During the crisis, there were secret plans to evacuate millions more people, if things had gotten any worse. Clearly, the financial and technical risks are too high. This is not a viable source of energy. I did not feel that way before the crisis. I do now, and the whole of Japan does as well. The news shows high level discussions in government in industry that have been underway since July. The issue is no longer whether they will phase out nuclear power, but how they are going to do it, and how soon. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
mix...@bigpond.com wrote: I think they are willing to do a calorimetric test (which is relatively quick and cheap), probably for free . . . No point to doing that now. They should just fly to Athens and test the Defkalion bare reactor. This whole business is winding down. Once the first independent results from Defkalion are published, we will be at the end of the beginning, and Winston Churchill put it. Defkalion was delayed for various good reasons. I think they are sincere, they will proceed soon, and the results will show beyond any doubt that the effect is real. Of course it will not convince the skeptics or the mass media, but it will increase interest in the field and funding by a huge factor. If we have funding we don't need the mass media. Judging by the number of readers and visits to LENR-CANR.org, interest in the field is at all-time highs. I expect it will increase by a factor of 10 soon, and then by a factor of thousands. I will be swamped with readers, and I will have difficulty paying the ISP. That is the kind of problem I would love to have. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective
I live in the Sonoran desert and nearby is one of the largest nuclear plants, 3.8 GW ( Palo Verde ). It is cooled solely by treated effluent water mostly from Phoenix, using evaporative cooling towers. I'd think Tokyo produces ample waste water. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Verde_Nuclear_Generating_Station -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 3:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Putting the nuclear debate into perspective OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote: What the Fukushima disaster appears to have taught us in huge spades is the fact that locating nuclear plants where both earthquakes and tsunamis will occur on a regular basis is a really, really, REALLY bad idea. The lesson learned: DON'T do it! I want my sushi cold, not hot! That would be the whole of Japan, since they use seawater to cool the reactors. They do not have enough large rivers with year-round flows to locate them inland. In Japan at present there are 54 reactors. All but 3 are closed down. The other 51 are either damaged or destroyed by the earthquake, or under inspection. See: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-27/japan-has-3-reactors-with-6-4-of- total-capacity-online-table-.html They are finding many problems. In one day, nuclear power went from being the cheapest and most reliable source of energy in Japan to being unimaginably expensive. Expensive enough to effectively bankrupt TEPCO, one of the largest power companies on earth. During the crisis, there were secret plans to evacuate millions more people, if things had gotten any worse. Clearly, the financial and technical risks are too high. This is not a viable source of energy. I did not feel that way before the crisis. I do now, and the whole of Japan does as well. The news shows high level discussions in government in industry that have been underway since July. The issue is no longer whether they will phase out nuclear power, but how they are going to do it, and how soon. - Jed
Re: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I will have difficulty paying the ISP. That is the kind of problem I would love to have. Well, Jed, you could accept some simple ads on your web site. I'm sure your numbers would justify payments enough that it would be self-funding. We *are* a capitalist society still, for now. T
Re: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
I agree. You can allow some not too intrusive targeted advertising, to cover expenses. You can also make premium accounts ad-free for supporters and professionals. mic 2012/1/28 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: I will have difficulty paying the ISP. That is the kind of problem I would love to have. Well, Jed, you could accept some simple ads on your web site. I'm sure your numbers would justify payments enough that it would be self-funding. We *are* a capitalist society still, for now. T
[Vo]:eCat Certification
Joseph Fine January 27th, 2012 at 5:01 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=44#comment-175941 In which country do you think Certifications of the Home E-Cat will be achieved first? That is, in Europe (e.g. Sweden, France, Germany etc.), in the USA, in Russia, China et cetera. AR: 2- USA, Sweden (lenr.qumbu.com -- analyzing the Rossi/Focardi eCat -- Hi, google!)
Re: [Vo]:eCat Certification
On 2012-01-28 00:31, Alan J Fletcher wrote: Joseph Fine January 27th, 2012 at 5:01 PM http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510cpage=44#comment-175941 In which country do you think Certifications of the Home E-Cat will be achieved first? That is, in Europe (e.g. Sweden, France, Germany etc.), in the USA, in Russia, China et cetera. Speaking of Rossi, here's a new video from ecat.com: http://youtu.be/ap5s1gTL54M Cheers, S.A.
Re: [Vo]:eCat Certification
At 03:41 PM 1/27/2012, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Speaking of Rossi, here's a new video from ecat.com: http://youtu.be/ap5s1gTL54M I thinks that's just a clip from his long interview. (I didn't watch it all, so I may be wrong).
Re: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
Michele Comitini michele.comit...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. You can allow some not too intrusive targeted advertising, to cover expenses. In the event of a huge increase in traffic, I hope a university or some other large institution takes over the web site. As I said, that's the kind of problem I would love to have. I am still trying to implement changes to the website suggested by Akira Shirakawa and others. I have been delayed by extraneous stuff. I have put the database into MySQL so it is only a matter of interfacing it to HTML via PHP. That's harder than you might think, even if you know what the heck I am talking about. The server returns all 3,800 records in 0.0030 s (I think it said) but the programs to display it take forever. - Jed
RE: [Vo]:PESN: Rossi's Relationship With University of Bologna Continues
From Jed, ... This whole business is winding down. Once the first independent results from Defkalion are published, ... . Defkalion was delayed for various good reasons. I think they are sincere, they will proceed soon, and the results will show beyond any doubt that the effect is real. Delays do not concern me. Par for the course. KA-KA happens to all forms of business and government plans. The bigger the project, the more likely it will experience KA-KA at some critical juncture. KA-KA throws the best laid plans into disarray. Where I work we are in the middle of upgrading our Electronic Documentation storage retrieval system to a new version of Content Manager. We're migrating over to a centralized zOS mainframe platform. This has been an on-going project that we began actively planning years ago. Our Content Manager system serves millions of customers. Today we were going to flip the switch over to the new version of Content Manager, but glitches cropped up unexpectedly at the last moment. We quickly determined that delaying the transition was probably a prudent move. We will probably try again in a couple of weeks after the latest issues have been resolved to everyone's satisfaction. This was the second time we have had to delay our implementation schedule. Better safe than sorry. Are you aware of who might be interested in performing independent tests with DGT's hyperons? I was wondering who might be stepping up to bat. Regards, Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
