Re: [Vo]:Fwd: CMNS: Ruby at VEGATEC - Nano-nickel LENR.

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Robin. Ruby used my tunes and added them into the video herself while 
editing it, going to great pains to get the levels and balance between song and 
voice right. 
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> On 22. Jun 2024, at 2.50, Robin  wrote:
> 
> In reply to  Jed Rothwell's message of Fri, 21 Jun 2024 15:59:56 -0400:
> Hi Esa,
> 
> I'm guessing that you were responsible for adding the music, so could you 
> provide a URL to the original?
> 
> 
> [snip]
>> Robin  wrote:
>> 
>> Since the music was presumably dubbed in later, I wonder if she has the
>>> original recording without music, and could
>>> perhaps make it available?
>>> 
>> 
>> Surely she has the original recording! Who would throw that away in the era
>> of terabyte disks? Ask her if she can provide it.
> Regards,
> 
> Robin van Spaandonk
> 
> Drive your electric car every second day and recharge it from solar panels on 
> your roof on the alternate days.
> The other days, drive your spouses car, and do the same with it.
> 

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Open access ChatGPT

[Esa Ruoho]

i've been loving this. btw, why not ask it about cold fusion, Jed?
there's a macOS topbar / toolbar icon app that lets you click on the icon
at the topbar, and start asking it questions. i've been asking it about
free energy and helping me convert a bash script to python. the answers are
pretty great.
https://github.com/vincelwt/chatgpt-mac/releases

fine i'll bite, i'll ask it about cold fusion.

Q: what is Cold Fusion, Low Energy Nuclear Reactions? who are the movers
and the shakers of this new breakthrough science?
A: Cold Fusion, also known as Low Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR), is a
controversial scientific field that seeks to explain the production of
nuclear fusion at relatively low temperatures and pressures. This would be
a significant breakthrough, as it would potentially allow for a clean and
abundant source of energy.

However, Cold Fusion is a highly disputed field, and many scientists are
skeptical of its claims and the evidence supporting them. As a result, the
scientific community has not widely accepted the idea of Cold Fusion, and
the field is not well-funded or supported.

There are a few notable researchers and organizations that are actively
pursuing the study of Cold Fusion, including Andrea Rossi and Leonardo
Corporation, who claim to have developed a working cold fusion device, and
the Martin Fleischmann Memorial Project, which is a group of scientists and
engineers who are investigating cold fusion and its potential applications.

Overall, the field of Cold Fusion is still in its early stages, and its
validity and potential applications are the subject of much debate and
controversy.



the thing is that you could keep asking it more specific questions and it'd
keep answering.


to 8. jouluk. 2022 klo 23.09 Jed Rothwell (jedrothw...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:

> ChatGPT is a remarkable, publicly available AI project. Open access
> ChatGPT is here:
>
> https://chat.openai.com/chat
>
>
> Here are sample queries I submitted:
>
> What happened in the battle of dan no ura (1185)?
>
> The Battle of Dan-no-ura was a naval battle fought on April 25, 1185 in
> the Shimonoseki Strait near the Japanese islands of Honshu and Kyushu. The
> battle was fought between the rival clans of the Taira and Minamoto, and it
> marked the end of the Genpei War, a civil war that had lasted for over a
> decade. The Taira clan, also known as the Heike, were defeated by the
> Minamoto, also known as the Genji, and the Genji's leader, Minamoto no
> Yoritomo, became the first shogun of Japan.
>
>
> [Here is an absurd answer]
>
> What happened in the battle of shikyou no eki in 1866?
>
> I'm sorry, but I am not aware of a battle called the "Battle of Shikyou no
> Eki" that took place in 1866. I am a large language model trained by
> OpenAI, and my knowledge is based on the text that I have been trained on,
> which ends in 2021. It's possible that the battle you are referring to took
> place after my training period and I am not able to provide information
> about it. Is there anything else I can help you with?
>
>
> How does a flow calorimeter work?
>
> A flow calorimeter is a device that is used to measure the heat capacity
> of a material. It works by flowing a known quantity of a material through a
> temperature-controlled chamber, and then measuring the heat that is
> transferred to or from the material as it passes through the chamber. This
> allows the heat capacity of the material to be calculated by measuring the
> temperature change and the flow rate of the material. Flow calorimetry is
> often used in research and industrial settings to study the thermal
> properties of materials and to optimize the design of heat exchangers and
> other thermal systems.
>
>
> Here is a quote generated by ChatGPT included in a column by Paul Krugman
> Does ChatGPT Mean Robots Are Coming For the Skilled Jobs?
>
> ["Gift version" not behind a paywall]
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/06/opinion/chatgpt-ai-skilled-jobs-automation.html?unlocked_article_code=YMDDhoycKt2nfsQ6jNoNn2TZm49hkbNvnIqYWnbkB1Cb5G_TZvfoC9dyv5w6oupjnNtMAFEIb4jyMy9DGltcuT1mJHQOerxY74amc26H-y6ty4pwZlYpLTWNDSpvJ7g8aP_s1x2iLRc1PjkhVdWPwColT8UW125MTi_r6O70eFU9LXJpYVzsKkyIgksggneDotOC2pfGEA-jeWaO0ANw0JqNLXQriqi94_KsjYPvOxAoUBZfpXFM6webEgWaAtHesLIpJVPykR-jap_LJqgD89KvvczQeoOsUHnvMbXpaaKC6pzeb2fQ4IC0-zBtx6tTAVGtroAxPcOQqKiX1VhrAGYc8j9dTopNDgEd&smid=share-url
>
>
> The paragraph:
>
> It is difficult to predict exactly how A.I. will impact the demand for
> knowledge workers, as it will likely vary, depending on the industry and
> specific job tasks. However, it is possible that in some cases, A.I. and
> automation may be able to perform certain knowledge-based tasks more
> efficiently than humans, potentially reducing the need for some knowledge
> workers. This could include tasks such as data analysis, research and
> report writing. However, it is also worth noting that A.I. and automation
> may also create new job opportunities for knowledge workers, parti

Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Esa Ruoho]

so hey i found the craddock engineering phonenumber but i'm not sure how to
proceed since i'm in finland.
craddock engineering was founded by anthony craddock, a boss of energetic
productions, that produced the energy from the vacuum dvd science series.
and since both energy from the vacuum and cheniere websites are down,
getting in touch with him would be really important to getting the pages
reinstated.
i just realized there are now 46 DVDs of Energy from the Vacuum science dvd
series, and i only have episodes 1 to 33, so i'd need to buy 34-46 to have
the full collection.
nobody on the energeticforum seems to have an inkling as to what has
happened.


ke 22. kesäk. 2022 klo 18.07 ROGER ANDERTON (r.j.ander...@btinternet.com)
kirjoitti:

> Jed
>
> There are open conspiracies -
>
>
> H.G. Wells was one of the most influential visionaries of the early
> twentieth century. His many books, both fiction and non-fiction, inspired
> multitudes of men and women who, like Wells, looked to a “World State” as
> the savior of humanity. Although he wrote often of an international order,
> Mr. Wells’ optimism for the future waned due to the destruction of World
> War II. Nevertheless, his desire for an “Open Conspiracy” – a movement of
> organizations and people seeking the establishment of a world collective –
> was forefront in his thinking.
> https://www.forcingchange.org/open-conspiracy/
>
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Jed Rothwell" 
> To: "Vortex" 
> Sent: Wednesday, 22 Jun, 22 At 14:48
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone
>
> ROGER ANDERTON  wrote:
>
>> This is getting too diverted. What you were saying sounded like a
>> conspiracy theory.
>>
> Perhaps it did sound like that, but it was not. Because --
>
> 1. A conspiracy is organized and surreptitious. The opposition to cold
> fusion was unorganized and very much in the open. Opponents published
> books, papers, newspaper editorials, editorials in Nature and so on. They
> were proud to lead the attack against cold fusion.
>
> 2. It is not a "theory;" it is a fact. You can read the books and
> editorials. A "conspiracy theory" means an assertion that a hidden group of
> people carried out an organized campaign of opposition. There is no proof,
> and you don't know who the people are. Although you might speculate about
> who they are. If I had said: "we don't know who opposed cold fusion, but I
> suspect it was the editors at Nature and the plasma fusion researchers"
> that would be a theory. I am not saying that. I am saying: "we know who
> opposed cold fusion, because the editor at Nature published signed
> editorials excoriating it, and the plasma fusion researchers at MIT called
> Boston newspaper reporters and demanded that Fleischmann and Pons be
> arrested for fraud." Those researchers never denied doing that. We have the
> news reports and quotes from them.
>
> There is a world of difference between an unsubstantiated conspiracy
> theory and attacks carried out in public by people who bragged about their
> role in destroying cold fusion. Calling that a "theory" is like saying
> "perhaps it was the Japanese navy that attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, but
> we will never know for sure."
>
>

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Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Esa Ruoho]

Anyway I've mailed Anthony Craddock about cheniere + energyfromthevacuum.
Eagerly waiting for a response.
He should be the go-to-guy for paying for those domains.


ke 15. kesäk. 2022 klo 1.11 Jed Rothwell (jedrothw...@gmail.com) kirjoitti:

> I wrote:
>
>
>> The day the website bill comes due, payment will be refused and the ISP
>> told the card holder is deceased. Of course the site will be taken offline.
>>
>
> My credit card number once changed, and I forgot to update the ISP
> account. On the day the payment came due, it did not go through. The ISP
> computer took LENR-CANR.org offline *that day*. Until I paid.
>
>
>
>> Ad revenues have nothing to do with it.
>>
>
> Ad revenues go to the website owner, not the ISP. Even if ads were paying
> thousands a day, if the fee to the ISP is not paid, they will take the
> website offline.
>
>

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Re: [Vo]:Bearden dead and cheniere.org gone

[Esa Ruoho]

Not only that but seems like http://energyfromthevacuum.com is also gone. I 
wonder whats up now. 

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> On 13. Jun 2022, at 15.30, David Jonsson  wrote:
> 
> 
> https://obits.al.com/us/obituaries/huntsville/name/thomas-bearden-obituary?id=32759244
> 
> Is there a web archive somewhere? Here is one saved in April 2022
> https://web.archive.org/web/20220428030850/http://www.cheniere.org/
> 
> I began faxing Bearden in the 1990s. It took more than two decades before I 
> got the meaning of his critique. I hope we can achieve what he aimed for in a 
> safe way.
> 
> David Jonsson
> 

Re: [Vo]:US Department of Energy (ARPA-E) LENR Workshop Oct 21-22

[Esa Ruoho]

is this really a "glass half empty" situation that after 3 decades they
actually have a little workshop and that that might result in something of
interest that would be positive and useful?


On Thu, 14 Oct 2021 at 02:50, Terry Blanton  wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2021 at 4:37 PM Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>
>> All news is good news.
>>
>
> Many a subject of investigative reporters have incorrectly believed this.
>


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Re: [Vo]:US Department of Energy (ARPA-E) LENR Workshop Oct 21-22

[Esa Ruoho]

All news is good news. It is great if it means more eyeballs that are 
interested in whats cooking. 

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> On 13. Oct 2021, at 23.16, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> 
> 
> But over three decades?!?

Re: [Vo]:Corona Virus

[Esa Ruoho]

d'you have a TL;DW synopsis for us, Ron?
it is 1 hour 34 minutes of two guys talkin. surely there's a tl;dw
available for it?


On Thu, 12 Mar 2020 at 17:54, Ron Wormus  wrote:

> This is pretty informative:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URhJx0NSw
>


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Re: [Vo]:are smartlists working? vortex-L test

[Esa Ruoho]

Maybe? Although.. how would we know?

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> On 16 Aug 2019, at 9.32, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> 
> test
> 
> (( ( (  (   ((O))   )  ) ) )))
> William J. BeatySCIENCE HOBBYIST website
> billb at amasci com http://amasci.com
> EE/programmer/sci-exhibits   amateur science, hobby projects, sci fair
> Seattle, WA  206-762-3818unusual phenomena, tesla coils, weird sci
> 

[Vo]:25th Cold Fusion Now! podcast episode - Ruby Carat interviews Sergei Tcvetkov

[Esa Ruoho]

Does anyone listen to this Cold Fusion Now! podcast series? Asking for a
friend.

https://patreon.com/coldfusionnow
http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/

from the patreon page:

Sergei Tcvetkov is a physicist and nuclear engineer now retired from the
 Research and Design Institute of Power Engineering (SF NIKIET). He has
 experimented extensively with LENR-based reactors using a titanium
 cathode with deuterium, measuring nuclear products and excess heat of
 several hundred watts thermal power.

Download here:
http://www.coldfusionnow.com/podcast/Ruby-Carat-Sergei-Tcvetkov-Cold-Fusion-Now-025.mp3


Listen at ColdFusionNow http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/

Or subscribe in iTunes
.

Thanks for supporting!



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Re: [Vo]:How to make money with cold fusion

[Esa Ruoho]

You could always sell/rent a cold fusion-based diesel-aggregator
replacement to a bunch of electronic music hippies. or other types of
festivals, too. I'm sure they'd be only too happy to power their festivals
with non-polluting electricity production methods.



On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 18:02, Robert McKay  wrote:

> On 2019-07-02 02:28, Jed Rothwell wrote:
> > So, how do you make this money? Not by trying to sell energy! That is
> > a highly regulated industry. It is a difficult and complex business.
>
> Mine cryptocurrency.. if someone can figure out how to generate
> electricity, mining machines can consume as much of it as can be
> produced.. not $1000/mo but $millions per month, actually the only limit
> would be obtaining enough mining hardware.
>
> If you generate electricity in-house and burn it on crypto, you're also
> avoiding paying any VAT on the electricity, which might be beneficial..
>
> Rob
>
>

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Re: [Vo]:Possible LENR-based consumer product

[Esa Ruoho]

Alan, why do you humor these people?
It's bad enough that the MFMP people post it on their facebook, but for it
to hit vortex-list, too?
And their excuse over at MFMP Facebook is "Yeah we're known for this".


On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 at 06:58, AlanG  wrote:

> Just announced by Quantum Heat:
>
> https://goo.gl/DbWyn1
>


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Re: [Vo]:Robert Godes podcast

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Jed, did you also listen to the previous podcast episode, which was
released 4 days ago, where Ruby Carat was interviewing Dr. Edmund Storms?
"2019/01/13 e019 Edmund Storms, Nuclear chemist with Kiva Labs and former
Los Alamos National Laboratory rocket scientist. There, his work involved
basic research in the field of high temperature chemistry as applied to
materials used in nuclear power and propulsion reactors, including studies
of cold fusion since 1989. Experimental work included finding tritium
generated from Fleischmann-Pons cells and discovering many properties of
the reaction, such as high-loading is not necessary to generate or sustain
a reaction. Dr. Storms is the author of The Science of Low Energy Nuclear
Reaction, a survey of the experiments and theories of the field through
2007, and, The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear Reaction, A Comprehensive
Compilation of Evidence and Explanations about Cold Fusion, describing some
of the main models of LENR, as well as a new idea based on hydrogen-filled
nano-spaces as the nuclear active environment."

same URL, as always.

On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 22:02, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> See:
>
> https://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/
>
> I was disappointed in this presentation. I think it is misguided. Godes'
> business strategy makes no sense. He makes absurd assertions such as: he
> must produce a finished product, and he has to reach a manufacturing level
> where fewer than 1% of the production line output fails and must be
> scrapped. This is like the Wright brothers claiming they cannot sell
> airplanes until they perfect a retractable landing gear. He says he is
> having trouble getting funded. Assuming the reactors work as claimed, if he
> would put five of them in the right hands, the skies would open up and
> billions of dollars would fall into his lap. This would happen even if the
> excess heat is only 10%. It would happen even if 99% of the reactors fail.
> For some types of transistors in the 1950s the failure rate was above 90%.
> That did not slow down the development of transistors. It just meant they
> were expensive for a while. (Some of them cost ~$16 where a vacuum tube for
> the same purpose cost $0.25, but there was a niche market for them despite
> this.)
>
> The present practicality of this device, and the engineering details that
> must be ironed out before it can be mass produced, are completely
> irrelevant.
>
> I do not understand the physics discussed in this podcast. I have not
> looked closely at the calorimetry, so I cannot judge whether the claims
> have merit.
>
>

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Re: [Vo]:David French died

[Esa Ruoho]

oh no!

Ruby of Cold Fusion Now! interviewed David French and it was released on
the 3th of April 2018.

2018/04/03 e008 David French, retired Patent Attorney and the Principal and
CEO of Second Counsel Services, provides LENR scientists with guidance on
intellectual property and patents. A graduate of McMaster University in
Engineering Physics and of the University of Toronto Law School, David
French spent 35 years at private law firms and also working with the
Canadian government on law reform and international patent issues.

*David J. French, Patent Lawyer*
https://coldfusionnow.org/podcast/Ruby-Carat-David-French-Cold-Fusion-Now-008.mp3


http://coldfusionnow.org/podcast/coldfusionnowpodcast.xml

On Tue, 4 Dec 2018 at 22:09, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I regret to announce that David French died on December 2, 2018. It was
> sudden and not expected. He was a jolly good fellow, and I shall miss him.
>
> He was an expert on patents, and cold fusion patents in particular. See:
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/FrenchDpatentsand.pdf
>
> http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/BiberianJPjcondensedy.pdf#page=103
>
> - Jed
>
>

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Re: [Vo]:ICCF21 Usb-sticks?

[Esa Ruoho]

Well Jones, Ruby of ColdFusionNow apparently had usbsticks made to be given 
away during the ICCF21 conference with the 12 episodes of the Cold Fusion Now! 
Podcast Series with interviews of various people and also some documentaries 
that she has produced over the years so just thought to ask if anyone has seen 
/ been given one while at the conference :)

Slightly interested in what they look like cos we worked together on this 
project :)

Yours, Esa


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> On 6 Jun 2018, at 17.06, JonesBeene  wrote:
> 
> Fabulous cover art
> https://www.lackluster.org/releases
>  
> … illuminating the oeuvre of the World’s only composer of cold-fusion music…
>  
> but … do not see USB-sticks offered. Isn’t it a bit premature?
>  
> BTW – since you are quite adept at English puns, here is another one for your 
> collection: “eye-lustrious”
>  
> 😉
>  
>  
> From: Esa Ruoho
>  
> Did someone get the Cold Fusion Now / ICCF21 USB-sticks? What do you think of 
> how they look and what's in them?
> 
>  

[Vo]:ICCF21 Usb-sticks?

[Esa Ruoho]

Did someone get the Cold Fusion Now / ICCF21 USB-sticks? What do you think
of how they look and what's in them?


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[Vo]:Alan Smith and William Collis interviewed on new Cold Fusion Now! -podcast episodes.

[Esa Ruoho]

You might find this of interest.
Alan Smith of Looking for Heat and William Collis have been interviewed on
the Cold Fusion Now! -podcast.

http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/
You can subscribe to the feed on iTunes via
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cold-fusion-now/id1330114781

There's a
lot of conversation on the Alan Smith episode here:
https://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/thread/5546-cold-fusion-now-new-podcast-with-alan-smith-interview-by-ruby-carat

Here's some descriptions:

2018/03/06  e005 Alan Smith is Director of LookingForHeat.com, an online
shop dedicated to supplying open science research with laboratory needs.
Alan has spent a career in various fields related to materials research and
engineering, with a focus on polymers and is the author of books on craft
subjects. He is also a moderator on LENR-forum.
more details at
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-now-podcast-with-alan-smith/

2018/03/14 e006 William Collis is Chief Executive of the International
Society of Condensed Matter Nuclear Science, the largest association
serving cold fusion/LENR researchers globally through conferences, a
journal, and scientific paper archive. He has a degree in Biochemistry from
the University of Oxford and is an expert in atomic weights whose interest
in LENR is not entirely theoretical.
more details at
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-now-podcast-with-iscmns-chief-exec-william-collis/


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supporting this very worthy historical project, sign up and support at
https://www.patreon.com/coldfusionnow


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Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion is waning

[Esa Ruoho]

I was able to see the graph, Jed.

On 9 February 2018 at 00:48, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Did the graph show up? Can people here see it?
>
>
> This discussion group software is a little out of date. A little, as in .
> . . 20 years?
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion is waning

[Esa Ruoho]

Now I see why nobody ever responds to my emails. They're busy deleting them
with voice commands!


On 8 February 2018 at 23:00, Frank Acland  wrote:

> sorry, please ignore my previous message, just a mistake.
>
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:55 PM, Frank Acland  wrote:
> > delete
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
> >> Jed it'd be really interesting to have you interviewed for the Cold
> Fusion
> >> Now! podcast series.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8 February 2018 at 22:38, Jed Rothwell 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Jed, Don't despair ;-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I am not the despairing type.
> >>>
> >>> I strongly believe in facing facts, even distressing ones. Especially
> >>> distressing one.
> >>>
> >>> - Jed
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > Publisher, E-Cat World
>
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>
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>
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Re: [Vo]:Interest in cold fusion is waning

[Esa Ruoho]

Jed it'd be really interesting to have you interviewed for the Cold Fusion
Now! podcast series.


On 8 February 2018 at 22:38, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Alain Sepeda  wrote:
>
> Jed, Don't despair ;-)
>>
>
> I am not the despairing type.
>
> I strongly believe in facing facts, even distressing ones. *Especially*
> distressing one.
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

[Esa Ruoho]

Speaking of Mills - have you guys seen this Cold Fusion Now -produced
documentary "Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems Melvin Miles The
Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium" - the link is at
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4

Also, maybe you'd find this Edmund Storms documentary (also by Cold Fusion
Now! / Ruby Carat) interesting, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BPtwzsgiw

p.s. the next podcast episodes will be about Jean Paul Biberian and Alan
Smith. How do I know this? I edit them together:)


On 25 January 2018 at 21:20,  wrote:

> In reply to  Dave Roberson's message of Thu, 25 Jan 2018 13:17:02 -0500:
> Hi,
> [snip]
> >I realize that mass and energy are two different forms of existence, but
> should we expect the remainder of the universe to know this has happened
> other than by the interactions between the two objects before and after the
> event and other particles.
> >
> >Dave
>
> If I understand Mills correctly, then he says that it precisely the
> conversion
> of mass into energy that causes the expansion of the universe.
> IOW, yes the rest of the universe does know.
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Robin van Spaandonk
>
> local asymmetry = temporary success
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Podcast of interest

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Jones and thanks for posting about this.

There are three episodes of the Cold Fusion Now! Podcast available at
http://coldfusionnow.org/cfnpodcast/  (and on iTunes
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/cold-fusion-now/id1330114781 )

*e001 Dr. David J. Nagel of George Washington University in Washington, DC*
will be talking about The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, an area
of condensed matter nuclear science that has major scientific challenges
ahead and yet holds a very real promise of a practical new ultra-clean
energy technology.
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-now-podcast-with-david-j-nagel/

*e002 Dr. Michael McKubre, former Director of Energy Research at SRI
International*, previously Stanford Research Institute – where there
continues an almost-thirty-years program of experimental research in
LENR/cold fusion. He semi-retired to New Zealand in March 2016 and is
currently consulting with international research groups.
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-now-podcast-with-dr-michael-mckubre/

*e003 Dr. Andrew Meulenberg is an experimental physicist and LENR
theoretician*. He earned a PhD from Vanderbilt University in low-energy
Nuclear Physics and spent 37 years in the aerospace industry as an
independent consultant. He was also a Principle Scientist at Draper
Laboratories (previously MIT Instrumentation Lab).
http://coldfusionnow.org/cold-fusion-now-podcast-with-andrew-meulenberg/


There's a fourth, fifth and sixth one, once *some guy* in Finland finishes
editing them.



On 21 January 2018 at 03:49, JonesBeene  wrote:

>
>
>
>
> http://www.coldfusionnow.org/podcast/Ruby-Carat-Andrew-
> Meulenberg-Cold-Fusion-Now-003.mp3
>
>
>
> Ruby interviews Andrew  Meulenberg.
>
>
>
> I like the deep electron theory and its variations far more than any
> other, whether it comes from Holmlid, Mills, Meulenberg, or someone else -
>  and AM seems to hint at a successful project which is in the works –
> perhaps based in India. Let’s hope it is real.
>
>
>



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Re: [Vo]:Ross E-Cat QX demo Nove 24

[Esa Ruoho]

Yeah whoever thought it was a good idea to let Andrea Rossi speak without a
microphone in a room full of hum (I've tried processing it, it's hopeless
and I don't have the time or inclination to go deeper into it) should be
sent a microphone a day for the rest of their life.


On 26 November 2017 at 17:44, Brian Ahern  wrote:

> I think Jones was too kind. It was not a demo. It was three hours of
> dithering.  Mats should be embarrassed by the sound control if nothing else.
>
>
> I wondered what Rossi's trick would be this time. It was acting like a
> person who has no clue what he is trying to accomplish.
>
>
> I guess this makes me a 'pathoskeptic'.
>
> I think A.R. owes all of us three hours for the amateur hours he presented
> to us.  The Swedish Academy has little to be proud of here.
>
> --
> *From:* Adrian Ashfield 
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 25, 2017 1:18 PM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Ross E-Cat QX demo Nove 24
>
> I don't agree.  The measurements of energy out & in were good enough to
> demonstrate the basic characteristics of the QX.  That was the purpose of
> the demo.  I t would be impossible to to do a replicable experiment without
> giving the IP away.
>
> The pathosskeptics make much of the crude power pack with 60 W of cooling
> But I don't believe that power could be magically transferred to heat the
> water.  What could Rossi possibly get from such a scam?  It's not to get
> money from the general public but possibly to interest venture capitalists:
> they would do their own due diligence, such as measuring the voltage across
> the reactor.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: JonesBeene 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Sat, Nov 25, 2017 10:16 am
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Ross E-Cat QX demo Nove 24
>
>
> Video of demonstration:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkj-7whwpUk
> 
>
> Funny that few comments are coming out on this - other than from Mats, who
> would benefit if this demo meant anything positive.
> In fact, it is not a demo in any real sense … it is disappointing theatre
> to all but the Rossi-flock.  In no way does this salvage Rossi’s
> credibility with scientists, nor that of Levi and the Swedes, who still
> look like dupes who should, but will not, retract their egregious errors at
> Lugano.
> There is no useful information being supplied which can lead to
> verification or replication. Voltage appears to have been estimated from
> resistance… with pulsed power, that is a no-no and thus the input could
> have been hundreds of times greater than suggested. Why not measure input
> power at the plug and include the cooling power since it is required?
> Given Rossi’s three decade long record of fraud and deceit as a backdrop –
> either independent replication or a commercial product will be the only
> thing that can help.
> So far, this is little more than a crude repeat of the past 6 years except
> now there is even less relevant information to use in replication than with
> the past failures. Few will waste their time.
>
>
>



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[Vo]:New documentary from ColdFusionNow.org called "Hydroton - a Model of Cold Fusion"

[Esa Ruoho]

That's right, Ruby Carat of ColdFusionNow(.)Org fame has created a brand
new documentary, this time about Dr. Edmund Storms's Hydroton - a model for
Cold Fusion.

Here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BPtwzsgiw

HYDROTON A Model of Cold Fusion describes the nano-gap and hydroton theory
with Dr. Edmund Storms, a nuclear chemist and cold fusion researcher now
retired from Los Alamos National Laboratory .

It picks up where Storms' 2014 book The Explanation of Low Energy Nuclear
Reaction: An Examination of the Relationship between Observation and
Explanation left off.

He proposes a unique chain of hydrogen and electrons that would assemble in
the nano-cracks  and nano-spaces of materials, fusing through a slow
resonance process where smaller bits of mass are converted to quanta of
energy through coherent photon emission.

If true, it would describe an extension of the 100-year-old conventional
nuclear theory.

Several of the Nano-gap Hydroton Hypotheses are now being tested for
confirmation.

Dr. Edmund Storms website http://www.lenrexplained.com

HYDROTON animation by Jasen Chambers  http://jasenlux.com/
Title animation by Augustus Clark and Mike Harris  http://augustusclark.com/
Music by Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster   https://lackluster.bandcamp.com/
ICCF-18 video by Eli Elliott  http://www.elienation.com
Filmed, edited and narrated by Ruby Carat
https://twitter.com/ColdFusionNow
Our work supports Cold Fusion Now! and Eugene Mallove's Infinite Energy
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http://www.coldfusionnow.org/
http://infinite-energy.com/


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Re: [Vo]:[off topic]Rpi

[Esa Ruoho]

What for? Using FullPageOS on our company rPi to display dashboard data

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> On 27 Aug 2017, at 5.07, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If anyone's interested in running ChibiOS on RPi, see
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> 
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Re: [Vo]:MFMP activities

[Esa Ruoho]

If Kevin's so unhappy with what they're doing, how about Kevin you go and
support them some more, okay? Sell that car, re-mortgage that house twice
and throw money at them. Otherwise, sell all your belongings and move to
live with them and guide (financially and direction-wise) their process so
they get where you want them to go.
Or find an investor. Right?


On 14 July 2017 at 03:43, Kevin O'Malley  wrote:

> I updated their blog entry for them.
>
> http://www.quantumheat.org/#comment-8874
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Jerry Decker

[Esa Ruoho]

It's been such a shame to have lost John Bedini, Jerry Decker and so many
others lately, including Joseph Newman and Paul Pantone.

KeelyNET should be archived, as it had a LOT of information that was,
sometimes, pretty well researched and at least pointed to finding more
information about certain free energy claims.

Yours, Esa
MERLib

On 30 June 2017 at 17:06, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Several forums are reporting the death of Jerry Decker.
>
> He was among the first widely read bloggers/advocates/reporters of various
> "overunity" schemes including cold fusion. He was also a debunker of the
> more obvious frauds.
>
> His own forum Keelynet has not been updated with an obit, as of today
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:I am fighting for the right to think differently

[Esa Ruoho]

I think Jed is pretty on-the-nose with his comment. If Peter Gluck from
Romania, is fighting for the right to think differently, then he probably
knows who he is fighting against, and how they have shown themselves to him
- who they are, what do they say, and how do they resist his right to think
differently.

On the other hand, if this is just a psychological trick that Peter Gluck
is playing, to get some more clicks to his blog, i.e. "They're suppressing
meee Click here to see how!", then there is no
actual person, persons or group of people who he has to fight against.

The whole concept of "fighting for the right to think differently" is kind
of wonky in my honest opinion. In the privacy of your own home (in this
case, mind), you are free to think whatever you want to. There really is
nobody stopping you, there's no mind-police out there trying to zap you out
of thinking like this or that.

So hence Jed's "You brave soul." commentary comes into full focus as
pointing out that Peter, by wanting to think differently, does not actually
have any enemies out there that he is fighting against.

So it's just another blogger trying to survive by posting posts with
hyperbole in the subjectline.



On 12 September 2016 at 14:14, Lennart Thornros 
wrote:

> Jed
> You asked;
>
> Who are you fighting? Who prevents you from thinking differently?
>
> Somtimes a question becomes A great answer. This reveals an enormous naive
> mindset. It also explains your inability to see that the truth has many
> appearances sometimes in conflict but true.
> Thanks for explaining yourself.
> Kennett Thornros
> On Sep 11, 2016 19:48, "Jed Rothwell"  wrote:
>
>> Peter Gluck wrote:
>>
>> I am fighting for the right to think differently.
>>
>>
>> You brave soul! How admirable.
>>
>> Who are you fighting? Who prevents you from thinking differently?
>>
>> - Jed
>>
>>


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Re: [Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Esa Ruoho]

Looking forward to it too!


On 9 July 2016 at 18:00, Ruby  wrote:

> THANK YOU Esa for giving those few seconds of sweet music.  I can't wait
> to work with you more on the next movie.
>
> Love Love LOVE,
> Ruby
>
>
> On 7/9/16 3:16 AM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
>
> Hi guys!
>
> Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my
> tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something.
> Here's some information:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
>
> http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/
>
>
> *Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems* documents the work of Dr. Melvin
> Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat
> generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as
> a nuclear product.
>
> *Anomalous Effects* takes Cold Fusion Now! video to a new evolution with
> the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster,
> an electronic musician based in Etelä-Suomi, Finland. I hope you found the
> sounds elevating as I did.
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[Vo]:New on YouTube: Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems - Melvin Miles - The Correlation of Excess Heat and Helium: (ColdFusionNow)

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi guys!

Any thoughts on this documentary? Ruby from ColdFusionNow used two of my
tunes in it, briefly, and it is apparently a nice documentary or something.
Here's some information:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM82RW7_II4
http://coldfusionnow.org/anomalous-effects-in-deuterated-systems-melvin-miles-the-correlation-of-excess-heat-and-helium/


*Anomalous Effects in Dueterated Systems* documents the work of Dr. Melvin
Miles, a US Navy electrochemist who first correlated the excess heat
generated from palladium-deuterium systems with the production of helium as
a nuclear product.

In three sets of experiments performed at the Navy’s China Lake research
lab, samples of gasses coming off the active cells were captured and
analyzed by experts in helium measurement.

The University of Texas Austin, the US Department of Interior, and Brian
Oliver of Rockwell International, who was the top helium measurement expert
in the country at the time, all measured helium in quantities that matched
closest to the excess heat generated by the cell if the reaction were D + D
fusion going to Helium-4.

But unlike hot fusion, there was no gamma photon, only the generation of
heat with a thermal energy close to 24MeV.

Dr. Miles began these experiments as a response to Dr. Julian Schwinger‘s
proposal that the reaction was D + H going to Helium-3. Post-doc Benjamin
Bush worked with Miles from the University of Texas Austin, and later came
to China Lake, to test the hypothesis.

In *Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems Melvin Miles The Correlation of
Excess Heat and Helium*, Dr. Miles provides a lesson in the experimental
procedure used to measure the elusive nuclear product. Watch on Youtube
here:
https://youtu.be/KM82RW7_II4

The video is taken from an interview with Dr. Miles conducted in August
2015 amid the idyllic southern Oregon, US wilderness in the town of Wolf
Creek. Patent lawyer David French joined me at the cabin where Miles was
vacationing with his dog Lady.

Two-and-a-half hours of video was reduced to 25 minutes, an eternity for
Youtube, but the story of these experiments could be told in no less time.
Visuals utilize graphics found in Miles’ papers, as well as the papers from
scientists around the world who have also reported finding helium.

A complete transcript of the movie is at Anomalous-Effects-Audio-Transcript
<http://coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Anomalous-Effects-Audio-Transcript.pdf>

Read *Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems, Final Report* authored in
1995, when the China Lake cold fusion program ended:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesManomalousea.pdf

A Summary of Miles’ work by Jed Rothwell is here
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RothwellJintroducti.pdf

Dr. Miles thinks the paper *Correlation Of Excess Enthalpy And Helium-4
Production: A Review. in Tenth International Conference on Cold Fusion*is a
good overview, too:
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesMcorrelatioa.pdf

A list of papers on the work of Melvin Miles and other Navy researchers is
here at the lenr archive http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=952

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the addition of title music by the excellent Esa Ruoho a.k.a. Lackluster,
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Re: [Vo]:Huge news - Apple creates Apple Energy - an energy subsidiary

[Esa Ruoho]

A.ashfield, looks like you haven't been paying attention to what else Apple
have cooking, re: patents.

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2015/03/apple-granted-their-first-fuel-cell-patent.html
"Apple granted their first fuel cell patent"

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2013/04/a-fascinating-liquidmetal-patent-from-apple-surfaces-in-europe.html
"Liquid metal fuel cell"

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2015/12/a-new-charging-device-patent-from-apple-shows-ongoing-focus-on-a-future-fuel-cell-system.html
"A New Charging Device Patent from Apple shows Ongoing Focus on a Future
Fuel Cell System"

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2011/12/the-race-is-on-for-next-generation-fuel-cell-powered-devices.html
"The Race is on for Next Generation Fuel Cell Powered Devices"


also, their campus has BloomEnergy fuel cells installed, etc.

Apple could easily adopt LENR once it's feasible and mass-manufacturable
(and something you can implement into their mobile devices).



On 9 June 2016 at 22:57, a.ashfield  wrote:

> Huge news?
> Give me a break.
> Solar is the most expensive way of generating power
> Apple products are usually the most expensive.
> I believe LENR will surface shortly
>
>
> On 6/9/2016 3:03 PM, Esa Ruoho wrote:
>
> http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/apple-energy-company/
> "Apple has just become an energy company, looks to sell excess electricity
> into the grid and maybe more"
>
> Apple has quietly created an energy subsidiary, ‘Apple Energy’ LLC,
> registered in Delaware but run from its Cupertino headquarters. The company
> was seemingly formed to allow it to sell excess electricity generated by
> its solar farms in Cupertino and Nevada, with plans to sell electricity
> across the whole of the US.
>
> [Apple Energy LLC] is a Delaware limited liability company and is a 100%
> wholly owned subsidiary of Apple Inc. [Contact is] Apple Energy LLC, One
> Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014
>
> Given Apple’s expertise and huge commitment to using renewable energy to
> power its operations, it is no surprise that it wants to ensure that its
> solar farms generate sufficient power to meet its needs. Because the sun
> only shines during the day obviously, Apple needs to shift its generation
> and its usage. Data centers need to go 24/7. Apple Stores are open in the
> evening. Apple has alternatives for this at its campus (see Fuel Cell
> generation below) but if it wants to operate 100% renewable, it has to
> “trade” overcapacity during the middle of the day for “net-metered” energy
> during the evening or cloudy days.
>
> Apple’s Cupertino Campus 2 Photovoltaics are rated at 14 megawatts alone.
>
> But a set of Federal Energy Regulatory Commission filings suggests that
> Apple could have bigger ambitions in the power field …
>
> Currently, when private companies sell their excess power, they can only
> do so to energy companies – and they often (varies by state) have to sell
> at wholesale rates. What Apple seemingly could to do, however, is sell
> directly to end-users at market rates. In other words, get paid retail
> prices for its excess power.
>
> Currently companies like Green Mountain Power can sell green renewable
> energy to homeowners all over the US. It wouldn’t be a stretch to see Apple
> do this as a product in the future.
>
> Apple has told the FERC that it meets the legal criteria for selling
> electricity at market rates because it is not a major player in the energy
> business and thus has no power to influence electricity prices. It has
> requested permission begin within 60 days of its filing on 6th June.
>
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[Vo]:Huge news - Apple creates Apple Energy - an energy subsidiary

[Esa Ruoho]

http://9to5mac.com/2016/06/09/apple-energy-company/
"Apple has just become an energy company, looks to sell excess electricity
into the grid and maybe more"

Apple has quietly created an energy subsidiary, ‘Apple Energy’ LLC,
registered in Delaware but run from its Cupertino headquarters. The company
was seemingly formed to allow it to sell excess electricity generated by
its solar farms in Cupertino and Nevada, with plans to sell electricity
across the whole of the US.

[Apple Energy LLC] is a Delaware limited liability company and is a 100%
wholly owned subsidiary of Apple Inc. [Contact is] Apple Energy LLC, One
Infinite Loop, Cupertino, CA 95014

Given Apple’s expertise and huge commitment to using renewable energy to
power its operations, it is no surprise that it wants to ensure that its
solar farms generate sufficient power to meet its needs. Because the sun
only shines during the day obviously, Apple needs to shift its generation
and its usage. Data centers need to go 24/7. Apple Stores are open in the
evening. Apple has alternatives for this at its campus (see Fuel Cell
generation below) but if it wants to operate 100% renewable, it has to
“trade” overcapacity during the middle of the day for “net-metered” energy
during the evening or cloudy days.

Apple’s Cupertino Campus 2 Photovoltaics are rated at 14 megawatts alone.

But a set of Federal Energy Regulatory Commission filings suggests that
Apple could have bigger ambitions in the power field …

Currently, when private companies sell their excess power, they can only do
so to energy companies – and they often (varies by state) have to sell at
wholesale rates. What Apple seemingly could to do, however, is sell
directly to end-users at market rates. In other words, get paid retail
prices for its excess power.

Currently companies like Green Mountain Power can sell green renewable
energy to homeowners all over the US. It wouldn’t be a stretch to see Apple
do this as a product in the future.

Apple has told the FERC that it meets the legal criteria for selling
electricity at market rates because it is not a major player in the energy
business and thus has no power to influence electricity prices. It has
requested permission begin within 60 days of its filing on 6th June.




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Re: [Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Esa Ruoho]

Hmm Jones, sounds interesting. How would you use an audio monitor to look
for correlations with the lumen output?
I'm afraid I don't have RF meter, Oscilloscope or Radiation Monitor or Lux
/ Lumen Meter.


On 16 February 2016 at 20:45, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* Esa Ruoho
>
>
>
> Ø  Ok, so, anyone have any ideas on how to test this "emits light using
> free energy" flashlight designed by ADGEX ELFE?
>
> Yes. There are many relevant tests which can and should happen without
> opening the device. Some sound superficial but they provide data points of
> interest as a whole. Do not over-stress it initially and give it benefit of
> doubt. There will always be time to do destructive testing later. Much
> later.
>
>
>
> I will list the testing that come to mind which do not require opening the
> device. A lumen meter is essential.
>
>
>
> 1)  With a lumen meter, obtain light emission data over short on-off
> time cycles in lumens, using recommended cycles (do not deplete the device
> at the start and let it recharge overnight)
>
> 2)  Compare the rate of lumen drop-off, minute by minute and day by
> day for several weeks. Data log everything
>
> 3)  Attach thermocouples and compare the case temperature vs lumen
> output. This can be done at the same time as above.
>
> 4)  Use an RF meter, oscilloscope, audio monitor and radiation
> monitor to look for correlations with lumen output.
>
> 5)  If anomalies turn up, try to correlate to astrological of local
> events such as sunspots or earthquakes
>
> 6)  Test the light output near wireless routers and other sources of
> wave energy
>
> 7)  Let the device recharge overnight near various sources of wave
> energy to look for changes in light output the following day - based on
> proximity to power sources during recharge
>
> 8)  Do all of these tests in a city vs in a rural area and compare
> results
>
>
>
> This should require a couple of months to do correctly – after which or
> sooner, you may decide there is no anomaly at all – but if there is, you
> will probably know the parameters which affect it.
>
>
>
>
>
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[Vo]:How to test an ADGEX ELFE Flashlight.

[Esa Ruoho]

Ok, so, anyone have any ideas on how to test this "emits light using free
energy" flashlight designed by ADGEX ELFE?

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[Vo]:at your mercy: please explain what BackEMF/Lenz Law is - and what would happen if a motor/generator could be built that is not subject to them?

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi, I'm putting this out here, hoping for some sort of layman's explanation
of these two things.

1- What is Back EMF / Lenz Law?
2- What would happen if a Motor-generator could be built that was immune to
BackEMF/Lenz Law/ (sometimes referred to as Back Torque)?



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Re: [Vo]:BLP demo video

[Esa Ruoho]

On 4 February 2016 at 22:16, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Where does BLP find investors this gullible and patient? At least Rossi
> claims to have a year of performance data under his belt. If he does, he
> will have no competition from “the brilliant one.”
>
>
>
Hey Jones,   if Steorn have managed to get 22million euros over the course
of 14-15 years.. then there are some serious long-term investors who are
very, very, very patient.

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Re: [Vo]:Blacklight Power/ Brilliant Light...Demo today

[Esa Ruoho]

d'you know where it is going to be held?


On 28 January 2016 at 19:20, Ron Kita  wrote:

> Hmmm:
> http://brilliantlightpower.com/invitational-public-demonstration/
>
> Ron Kita, Chiralex
> Doylestown, PA  50 miles to Mills
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Re: [Vo]:Orbo- Battery _Steorn and Lockheed- Bushman Battery Patent

[esa ruoho]

So there's some reason Teslaalset ignores that Steorn have claimed that it 
works within a Faraday cage?

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> On 26 Jan 2016, at 16:18, Teslaalset  wrote:
> 
> The most likely radio wave source would be a WiFi router. 
> In Europe, Wifi routers are restricted to 100 mW RF output. 
> The energy harvesting Steorn demonstrated with their USB hub is 0.4 Watt. 
> That would suggest they fake their demo's with a dedicated focused RF source.
> But since they roll out test devices that are claimed to work I would not 
> rely on RF harvesting alone. Maybe a combination.
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

[Esa Ruoho]

judging from how "well" iPhones perform over here in Finland, about
-15celsius is when stuff starts breaking down and refuses to hold a charge.


On 26 January 2016 at 06:36, Che  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 11:27 PM, Eric Walker 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Robin,
>>
>> I understand you to be suggesting that ions in the air might restore the
>> state of the Orbo by removing electrons from one plate through
>> de-ionization. An ion comes along and picks up an electron, becoming
>> electrically neutral and restoring the original potential by a small amount.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:43 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> Many of these do not recombine immediately, because dry air is a poor
>>> conductor.
>>
>>
>> On this theory, would you expect the Orbo to work less effectively in a
>> humid environment?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
> What are the likely minimum and maximum operating temperatures..?
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

[Esa Ruoho]

Harry, they've stated that it will work inside a Faraday cage, so it's not
an energy-harvester using RF as power-source, like the ADGEX ELFE and the
forthcoming ADGEX Tachyon products will be.

So we'll see.

That leaked investor-video contained this nugget:

"Shaun showed the internal components of a PowerCube, described how the
energy generating Orbo power pack works, and even demonstrated the process
of manufacturing a simple device of this kind.

The Orbo battery (or power pack) is made up of three components: two
dissimilar metals and a layer of chemical gel that sits between them. The
two metals can be sheets, or "basically any physical format". Shaun
compares the resulting combination of components to a galvanic cell.
However, in a galvanic cell, the chemical agent would be chemically eroding
the other components; but in the Orbo battery, the chemical layer is
completely inert and has no chemical interactions with the magnets.

The process of producing an Orbo battery involves taking these three
layers, two dissimilar metals separated by a chemical (the formula of which
is "not that simple"), heating them up to just beyond the melting point of
the chemical, and then very slowly cooling them, which allows the chemical
gel to retain an electric field that is impressed up it. The result is that
a permanent electric field is "frozen" into the gel material, with positive
and negative poles. This polarized electric field then interacts with the
two dissimilar metals to generate an electric current, in a way that is
analogous to how the magnetic fields in the "classic" perpetual motion
machine Orbo interacted with one another to generate force. The electric
field frozen into the gel material works in a way that parallels the frozen
magnetic fields of permanent magnets. The term for a device with this sort
of permanently frozen electric field is "electret", a portmanteau of
"electric" and "magnet".

Shaun states that when polarized the right way, "what you end up with is
something that is positive and negative." "It doesn't matter what you do to
me, I will always polarize." The Orbo battery is thus an electric field
version of the original magnetic Orbo. "So it is consistent, similar, and
in many ways an incredibly simple piece of technology."

According to Shaun, Steorn's first battery prototypes were built
approximately 2 years ago, and are still outputting power 24/7. Shaun says,
"we know theoretically these materials will hold an electric field for
circa 800 years." (
http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/10/new_video_reveals_internals_of_orbo_powe.html
)


On 25 January 2016 at 22:26, H Veeder  wrote:

> This new Orbo product is reputed to employ "electrets" - a material that
> retains a dialectric charge for hundreds years - which is the electric
> equivalent of a permanent magnet. A lot of research is being done on
> electrets for use in energy harvesting, so this time Steorn may be
> marketing a product that is consistent with established physics.
>
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_harvesting#Electrostatic_.28capacitive.29
> Another solution consists in using electrets, that are electrically
> charged dielectrics able to keep the polarization on the capacitor for
> years.[51] It's possible to adapt structures from classical electrostatic
> induction generators, which also extract energy from variable capacitances,
> for this purpose. The resulting devices are self-biasing, and can directly
> charge batteries, or can produce exponentially growing voltages on storage
> capacitors, from which energy can be periodically extracted by DC/DC
> converters.
>
>
> ​​Harry​
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Che  wrote:
>
>> A kinder, gentler hatchet-job.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:31 PM, H Veeder  wrote:
>>
>>> Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
>>>
>>> Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power
>>> – or a delusion ?
>>>
>>> ​(article and video)​
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832
>>>
>>>
>>> ​Harry​
>>>
>>>
>>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery

[Esa Ruoho]

Quite a few people on the web have ordered these and will give them a
whirl. Including a few Finns who are taking them to an university and
having scientists look at them.

It looks like this is really progressing and we will definitely know within
the next 3 months whether there's anything in there. I tend to think that
it is a working tech, albeit only the first beginnings of what this tech
could do.

Shaun McCarthy says it's just "three strips of metal and two wires".
Unlike the scientist who keeps saying it's impossible, and claims that
there cannot be any energy being produced -- it's not an
energy-from-nothing-production-device, it _receives_ energy from somewhere.
I don't mind if they think it's dark energy or energy from the vacuum, the
trickle of energy that is received by the multilayered metallic pack is fed
to a Lithium-Ion battery and can then be discharged into charging a
smartphone or an iPad via the USB-connection.

I'd buy one in a split second, me, if I had the 1200€ + postage.

here are some transcripts I've written down from a while ago:

http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/
http://freeenergy.news/steorn-webinar-ii-orbo-products-full-transcript/


On 25 January 2016 at 19:31, H Veeder  wrote:

> Fact or fiction: Irish firm invents everlasting battery
>
> Is Steorn’s Orbo technology a non-polluting, supercheap source of power –
> or a delusion ?
>
> ​(article and video)​
>
>
> http://www.irishtimes.com/business/fact-or-fiction-irish-firm-invents-everlasting-battery-1.2506832
>
>
> ​Harry​
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Request upvote support

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Jed. Just recommended your link and tweeted it elsewhere.

BTW, just 17 thumbs up? Not even a Readers' Pick or NYT Pick? :( What a
shame.

It would appear that you need 50-60 more thumbups before it will be a
readers' pick.

On 25 December 2015 at 18:25, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Merry Christmas.
>
> Please upvote this to make it more visible!
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/25/opinion/things-to-celebrate-like-dreams-of-flying-cars.html?comments#permid=17041393
>
> It is good to see Krugman taking interest in alternative energy.
>
> - Jed
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:Steorn: Orbo 28th October 2015 Transcript from Webinar

[Esa Ruoho]

I think I haven't seen a screenshot of someone receiving an email yet..

Also, no info about shipping from ADGEX ELFE orders either.

On 11 December 2015 at 11:26, Marcus Winckers  wrote:

> Morning Esa,
> Did you hear from others that they ordered or received an invoice?
> I got my emails from them to wait for further instructions, but heard
> nothing since Monday.
> Marcus
> Op 9 dec. 2015 07:06 schreef "Esa Ruoho" :
>
> Hi Marcus! Sure!
>>
>> I know at least two organizations who are going to purchase one. One is
>> in Australia, and another is in Finland. The Finns have a crowdfund
>> project.
>> https://mesenaatti.me/en/steornin-ikiliikkujatekniikan-tutkimusprojekti/
>> <-
>> I'm trying to get in to record the electromagnetic fields + activities of
>> both of the devices, the Ocube and the Ophone. I hope they'll sound juicy
>> enough to be made electronic music out of.
>>
>>
>> On 2 December 2015 at 16:14, Marcus Winckers  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Esa,
>>>
>>> I see  that you, like me, are interested in the Cube.  I  am planning on
>>> buying one  later in the day if possible. My christmass present for
>>> myself.  Shall we keep in touch and exchange thoughts and experiences?
>>>
>>> Marcus Winckers
>>> Utrecht
>>> Netherlands.
>>> Op 29 okt. 2015 07:38 schreef "Esa Ruoho" :
>>>
>>> If you guys like the internets more, the transcript is mirrored here:
>>>> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29 October 2015 at 02:17, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, here's my transcript of the Orbo Steorn Webinar broadcast on the
>>>>> 28th October 2015.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you use any of it, please credit accordingly.
>>>>> the video is at http://orbo.com/
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> Pat: Welcome to the Orbo Webinar. We're here today to introduce you to
>>>>> the first Orbo product, the O-Cube. Orbo is a highly controversial
>>>>> technology ... (Shaun places the O-Cube on the table) ..and we're going to
>>>>> demonstrate the functionality of the O-Cube. Before we do that, however, 
>>>>> we
>>>>> want to just give you a brief flavour of who we are and the journey that
>>>>> we've taken over the last fifteen years.
>>>>> ---
>>>>> Shaun: So, twelve and a half years ago, yeah? Tell me, how on earth,
>>>>> you got into this crazy company.
>>>>> Pat: The beginning's actually going back fourteen years ago, because,
>>>>> what happened was, in 2001, I was looking to evaluate a particular piece 
>>>>> of
>>>>> technology, nothing to do with Steorn.. And, I didn't know how to evaluate
>>>>> it, and I made a number of calls, and I was put in contact with 
>>>>> yourselves.
>>>>> So, I met Mike and yourself in 2001 and you looked at the proposition, the
>>>>> technology we're looking at, and you evaluated it and you said look,
>>>>> listen, this is not, you know, something to look at.. so, that was the way
>>>>> it was left. And, I went to meet you then in April 2004 and the purpose of
>>>>> that conversation was.. ahm..
>>>>> Shaun: "Where's me fucking money" (laughs)
>>>>> Pat: Well, it wasn't, it wasn't even at that, because I knew, like,
>>>>> the proposition for what is.. But the point you were putting to me, was 
>>>>> you
>>>>> said, "Look, we're looking for a venture capital..".. you said to me, 
>>>>> first
>>>>> of all, you said to me, "I'm looking for a VC company", and what I did
>>>>> was.. I.. The first thing I did probably before I even looked beyond them
>>>>> was, I got a friend of mine who's a, you know, he's an engineer and I got
>>>>> him to go in and spend some time with yourself and Mike and to evaluate
>>>>> what it was. And.. I can remember walking out of Fumberly Court as it was
>>>>> on a Friday afternoon and.. the two of yous were walking along side by
>>>>> side.. I said "What you think?" and he just said "Can I invest?". And it
>>>>> was, it was kind of like that, and I said "Are you serious?" and he said,
>&g

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[Esa Ruoho]

Another Steorn video pops up on Facebook, here's another transcript.



https://www.facebook.com/thebatteryisdead/videos/10153398806872672/


"some additional details of the Orbo power cell", Transcribed by Esa Juhani
Ruoho / esaru...@icloud.com / http://lackluster.bandcamp.com/


OK so a lot of people are asking what's the difference between an Orbo
power cell and traditional batteries. Traditional batteries come in two
basic forms, what are known as primary batteries, or disposable batteries,
which, once you have drained the energy, they're disposable, you throw them
away - you should recycle them. Secondary batteries are the types of
batteries that you would see in things like your phone or in power-cubes
and so forth. Typically Lithium-Ion or Lithium-Polymer technology, and the
difference is once you've drained the energy in them, you can actually
re-charge them and replenish the energy.


What is common between primary and secondary batteries is that the energy
stored in them and they are empty storage devices - is stored as a
electro-chemical process. So, the output of these types of batteries in
terms of voltage is ultimately defined the inherent chemistry that it's
using.


What is different about an Orbo power cell, and again, we showed a brief
example of building, hand-building a very simple cell is that, first of
all, it is not an electrochemical device, so there is no ion transfer,
there's no electrolyte and so forth. It is based on the electromagnetic
field. And the second and probably the most difficult to accept aspect of
it is that it is an energy-generating device rather than an energy-storage
device.


What we showed in the clip building the tiny, hand-building the tiny little
cell, was a cell that had a voltage, an open-circuit voltage of VOC .3 .4
of a volt. One of the things that we said as we were building that is that
what makes it peculiar is that as you increase the surface area, the VOC
also increases.


So, what we have here is a hand-built version of the same, which is longer
and wound up a bit like a capacitor, and what we'll demonstrate is that the
VOC of this which is a simply, longer strips of the same materials, is at
about 2.5 volts, I think in this case, it's about 2.5, 2.6 volts. That
would be an unexpected result electrochemically, as in, you typically see
voltages of 3,7 volts in Lithium-Ion batteries, 1.2 and so forth, and
again, if we unwound this and cut this in half we would find that the
voltage itself reduced.


Probably the most interesting aspect to demonstrate that the Orbo power
cell is not a traditional battery is that if you short out a traditional
battery for an extended period of time, ultimately you drain all or
virtually all of the electrochemical energy that's stored in it. And so, if
you short it out and leave it for an extended period of time, remove the
short and then measure it, you'll find that the voltage is either
significantly below it's inherent voltage, or if it's left long enough, it
will be series. So, in order to demonstrate the fundamental difference
between an Orbo power cell and the traditional battery, what we're going to
do is short it out, and we're going to leave it shorted out approximately
30 minutes, and then demonstrate that the voltage in open-circuit
immediately bounces back to this 2.5 odd volts.


So, all that I'm doing here is shorting the positive and negative and as
you can see on the scope, as expected, we go to zero volts or very close to
zero volts, about a few milli-volts which is simply the offset of the
oscilloscope of itself, and we'll leave this running for 30 minutes.


(screen says: (Recorded over 36 minutes))


Ok, so we've had this Orbo power cell shorted out now for I think about 30
minutes. So, what I'm going to do is remove the short, simply pull the
wires apart, and what you'll notice is that we're immediately back to our
2.5 volt voltage level. What you would expect if this was an energy storage
device such as a capacitor, is obviously we would've drained the capacitor
at this stage, it's been 30 minutes in short circuit - or - if it was a
traditional electrochemical cell, we would see at least some drop-off in
voltage, but probably after 30 minutes, a very significant drop-off of
voltage.


What we're really demonstrating here is that unlike a traditional battery,
what Orbo really is is an energy generation technology. In terms of what it
looks like in it's production format, is that we aim for each cell to
produce 2 and a half volts, and our standard Orbo power-cell is a 5 volt
device, so it is two of these, professionally manufactured and
encapsulated, that produce 5 volts, so it's two in series, so again, just
to demonstrate that, that if I take the product-sized version of this, what
you can see is a - just over a five-volt output. Again, 5 volt is chosen
because our primary target market for this is mobile consumer electronics.


I

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[esa ruoho]

Yep Jed.
a GSM / EDGE non-smart-phone
Orboost technology licensed to Wicked E-Juices for creation of never-charge  
E-Cig
and a gamecontroller for regular came-consoles
and the OCube for charging smartphones 2-3 times a day or 1 tablet per day.

and.. the one they don't talk about, which is the HephaHeat  water-boiler 
device.

There's a press-release, Jed, for the Orboost Wicked E-Juice E-Cig, 
http://www.wickedejuice.com/content/41-liquid-solutions-prepares-to-bring-the-orbo-never-die-battery-to-market

Liquid Solutions Prepares to bring the Orbo 'never die' battery to market
27 October 2015

Watch the fascinating and always entertaining visionaries from Irish energy 
company Steorn talking about the first commercial implementation of their never 
die energy technology. The founder of Wicked, Killian McGrath, also makes an 
appearance talking about the revolutionary use of these never die batteries 
being developed for e cigarettes.  These new products will be coming on stream 
in the next six months - watch this space. 

Liquid Solutions Prepares to bring the Orbo 'never die' battery to market
Liquid Solutions, the only Irish producer of certified e juice for e 
cigarettes, today announces it has licensed the revolutionary Orbo battery 
technology from Steorn to deliver an e cigarette that never needs charging.

Waterford based Liquid Solutions, the makers of Wicked e-juice, has been 
working with Steorn for the past three years to bring the never-die Orbo 
battery to market. This revolutionary move will allow consumers of e cigarettes 
never to charge the batteries in their e cigarettes again. In three short 
years, Liquid Solutions has created a battery small enough to fit into an e 
cigarette and still retain the self charging properties of Orbo.

Killian McGrath, founder of Liquid Solutions, recognized the impact of Orbo 
when first presented with the technology. The never die battery is the holy 
grail of all mobile device manufacturers. Increasingly people travel with 
energy banks, in-car chargers and charging points in public places.  To replace 
the humble battery with an ever-charged Orbo battery is to revolutionize the 
mobile populace.  Now the vaping community need never worry about charging 
their Wicked e cigarettes. We have a market winner.’

Dublin based Steorn headed up by Shaun McCarthy has enjoyed a roller coaster 
ride since its inception fifteen years ago. Their discovery of a constant 
energy source has attracted worldwide interest and criticism. Tonight (28 
October 2015, 7pm GMT) the company is beginning a series of webinars 
introducing their Orbo never die battery. As part of that process, the 
partnership with Liquid Solutions will be broadcast.

In terms of timing, Liquid Solutions intends having its first Orbo vaping 
products available to the Irish marketplace within the next six months. The 
never die batteries will be available to purchase from www.Wickedejuice.com

.

Ends

For more information, please visit www.Wickedejuice.com

Or contact me...@wickedejuice.com


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> On 09 Dec 2015, at 16:38, Jed Rothwell  wrote:
> 
> William Beaty mailto:bi...@eskimo.com>> wrote:
>  
> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
> 
>  
> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html
>  
> <http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/2015/12/steorn_taking_orders_for_ocube_preorders.html>
> 
> Also, an e-cigarette?!?
> 
> - Jed
> 

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[esa ruoho]

Bill, here's another claim from Shaun McCarthy:

A: You will never need to charge an ophone
Q: Why? What’s the reason behind it?
A: Orbo is a completely new type of battery based on the electric field rather 
than traditional batteries that are based upon chemical release of energy.

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> On 09 Dec 2015, at 08:06, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
>> available until late January.
> 
> DON'T BUY!   Seriously.
> 
> Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake.  (Or, it's a devious hoax based 
> on Volta's mistake.)
> 
> Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy 
> devices, and would last forever.  He called it "electrification by contact."  
> (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.)
> 
> The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they 
> provide microwatts for centuries.  WHen using high-resistance electrolyte and 
> such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour rating 
> of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero.  Dry Piles use paper as a 
> solid electrolyte.
> 
> The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating.
> 
> No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high resistance.  
> If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, it will only 
> supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the electrodes are 
> exhausted.   (Well, in theory only one plate will be destroyed during normal 
> batt operation.)
> 
> So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?"
> 
> Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use 
> high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly 
> extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours.
> 
> Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and 
> perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain.
> 
> ---
> 
> Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed:
> 
>  Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax?
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q>
> 
> It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been 
> "charged" by rubbing with fur.  If true, sell it as a toy!
> 
> Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, instead 
> use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC supply and 
> wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate surface contact 
> with surfaces of the plastic disk.)  Deeply charge up the plastic disk, then 
> add the foil rectangles later.  The "de-sorption" of charge from the plastic 
> should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the motor perhaps for many minutes, 
> perhaps hours.
> 
> The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a 
> plastic model would fail.   Replications:
> 
> w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s>
> 
> Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ>
> 
> w/VDG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI>
> 
> Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 6K 
> to 8K VDC, on eBay,   search eBay: anion 12v
> 
> I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, and 
> only draw excess current at input of 20V and above.  Crank the supply down to 
> zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion.  Build a many-KV 
> variable bench supply for electrostatics.  Output below 10uA.   I haven't 
> tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV supply powered 
> by independent floating batteries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://dispatchesfromthefuture.c

Re: [Vo]:Steorn Orbo cube phone-charger ~$1300

[esa ruoho]

Bill, is that based on what you read on the transcripts? They do state that it 
seems like a galvanic cell but doesn't work like it.
Also, other claims seem to be:
1- the materials are piezoelectric / receptive to ambient energy
2- not RF / energy harvesting, their layered metal thingies work inside a 
faraday cage.

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> On 09 Dec 2015, at 08:06, William Beaty  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 8 Dec 2015, Terry Blanton wrote:
>> Sorry, Bill, Shaun (Sean) McCarthy just announce that they won't be
>> available until late January.
> 
> DON'T BUY!   Seriously.
> 
> Steorn appears to be making Volta's mistake.  (Or, it's a devious hoax based 
> on Volta's mistake.)
> 
> Alessandro Volta believed that voltaic-pile batteries were free-energy 
> devices, and would last forever.  He called it "electrification by contact."  
> (As opposed to his detractors' chemistry-driven theories.)
> 
> The "dry piles" of DuLuc and Zamboni appeared to support this, since they 
> provide microwatts for centuries.  WHen using high-resistance electrolyte and 
> such a low power-drain, it's nearly impossible to measure the amp-hour rating 
> of Dry Piles by running down the battery to zero.  Dry Piles use paper as a 
> solid electrolyte.
> 
> The mistake is in believing that insulators are insulating.
> 
> No, insulators are actually just electrolytic conductors of high resistance.  
> If we use carnuba/beeswax "electret wax" to form a battery, it will only 
> supply power until the dissimilar metals provided by the electrodes are 
> exhausted.   (Well, in theory only one plate will be destroyed during normal 
> batt operation.)
> 
> So, wanna make a "Volta hoax?"
> 
> Then use a large mass of metal (lots of fuel, high amp-hours,) and use 
> high-resistance solid electrolyte which prevents anyone from rapidly 
> extracting kilojoules and exhausting the battery within hours.
> 
> Then include a "no repairs" clause, so when their extremely expensive and 
> perfectly conventional battery stops working, nobody can complain.
> 
> ---
> 
> Also, here's a cool one below, dunno if it's been discussed:
> 
>  Waller motor, electrostatic PM hoax?
>  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YreCJDvIX2Q>
> 
> It might genuinely operate as shown, if the plastic disk had first been 
> "charged" by rubbing with fur.  If true, sell it as a toy!
> 
> Or, if fur-rubbing can't provide sufficient energy to spin the wheel, instead 
> use dielectric absorption, "capacitor soakage" with a 20KVDC supply and 
> wetted metal electrodes (or conductive rubber, for intimate surface contact 
> with surfaces of the plastic disk.)  Deeply charge up the plastic disk, then 
> add the foil rectangles later.  The "de-sorption" of charge from the plastic 
> should re-charge the foil slowly, and run the motor perhaps for many minutes, 
> perhaps hours.
> 
> The wood in the video would serve as a conductor, so those who build a 
> plastic model would fail.   Replications:
> 
> w/6KV supplyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S072ScKjx8s>
> 
> Fake, w/#40ga connecting wires https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfSydbKEBpQ>
> 
> w/VDG  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI 
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiqEtigpJaI>
> 
> Available again are high-volt negative-ionizer blocks, $4 power supplies, 6K 
> to 8K VDC, on eBay,   search eBay: anion 12v
> 
> I found that these work fine if powered by two 9V batt connected as 18V, and 
> only draw excess current at input of 20V and above.  Crank the supply down to 
> zero, and the KV output decreases roughly in proportion.  Build a many-KV 
> variable bench supply for electrostatics.  Output below 10uA.   I haven't 
> tried buying ten for series connection, and rigging up a 100KV supply powered 
> by independent floating batteries.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 6:29 PM, William Beaty  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Phone charger version.Heh, buy a bunch as xmas gifts!
>>> 
>>> 
>>&

Re: [Vo]:Steorn: Orbo 28th October 2015 Transcript from Webinar

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Marcus! Sure!

I know at least two organizations who are going to purchase one. One is in
Australia, and another is in Finland. The Finns have a crowdfund project.
https://mesenaatti.me/en/steornin-ikiliikkujatekniikan-tutkimusprojekti/ <-
I'm trying to get in to record the electromagnetic fields + activities of
both of the devices, the Ocube and the Ophone. I hope they'll sound juicy
enough to be made electronic music out of.


On 2 December 2015 at 16:14, Marcus Winckers  wrote:

> Hey Esa,
>
> I see  that you, like me, are interested in the Cube.  I  am planning on
> buying one  later in the day if possible. My christmass present for
> myself.  Shall we keep in touch and exchange thoughts and experiences?
>
> Marcus Winckers
> Utrecht
> Netherlands.
> Op 29 okt. 2015 07:38 schreef "Esa Ruoho" :
>
> If you guys like the internets more, the transcript is mirrored here:
>> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/
>>
>>
>> On 29 October 2015 at 02:17, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, here's my transcript of the Orbo Steorn Webinar broadcast on the
>>> 28th October 2015.
>>>
>>> If you use any of it, please credit accordingly.
>>> the video is at http://orbo.com/
>>> --
>>>
>>> Pat: Welcome to the Orbo Webinar. We're here today to introduce you to
>>> the first Orbo product, the O-Cube. Orbo is a highly controversial
>>> technology ... (Shaun places the O-Cube on the table) ..and we're going to
>>> demonstrate the functionality of the O-Cube. Before we do that, however, we
>>> want to just give you a brief flavour of who we are and the journey that
>>> we've taken over the last fifteen years.
>>> ---
>>> Shaun: So, twelve and a half years ago, yeah? Tell me, how on earth, you
>>> got into this crazy company.
>>> Pat: The beginning's actually going back fourteen years ago, because,
>>> what happened was, in 2001, I was looking to evaluate a particular piece of
>>> technology, nothing to do with Steorn.. And, I didn't know how to evaluate
>>> it, and I made a number of calls, and I was put in contact with yourselves.
>>> So, I met Mike and yourself in 2001 and you looked at the proposition, the
>>> technology we're looking at, and you evaluated it and you said look,
>>> listen, this is not, you know, something to look at.. so, that was the way
>>> it was left. And, I went to meet you then in April 2004 and the purpose of
>>> that conversation was.. ahm..
>>> Shaun: "Where's me fucking money" (laughs)
>>> Pat: Well, it wasn't, it wasn't even at that, because I knew, like, the
>>> proposition for what is.. But the point you were putting to me, was you
>>> said, "Look, we're looking for a venture capital..".. you said to me, first
>>> of all, you said to me, "I'm looking for a VC company", and what I did
>>> was.. I.. The first thing I did probably before I even looked beyond them
>>> was, I got a friend of mine who's a, you know, he's an engineer and I got
>>> him to go in and spend some time with yourself and Mike and to evaluate
>>> what it was. And.. I can remember walking out of Fumberly Court as it was
>>> on a Friday afternoon and.. the two of yous were walking along side by
>>> side.. I said "What you think?" and he just said "Can I invest?". And it
>>> was, it was kind of like that, and I said "Are you serious?" and he said,
>>> "Pat, If this is right" he said, "This is gonna to be very very serious."
>>> 
>>> Mike: So Shaun, looking a bit tired.. Understandable. Ten years
>>> defending your claims and yourself. Ahm, give us a little bit of background
>>> about Steorn, for a bit, new people tuning in today.
>>> Shaun: Steorn was a company that you and me founded, Mike. Back in 2000,
>>> and we started doing project management.. We were in the world of fruit, a
>>> lot of bananas. And then we started developing technology for others, as
>>> you know, that's when we developed forensic systems for companies like
>>> Microsoft and credit card companies, and we did expert witnessing, in,
>>> fraud..
>>> Mike: (interrupts) So you get on..
>>> Shaun: And then one day..
>>> Mike: (interrupts) And then one day you're sitting there at your desk,
>>> magnets spinning around, and you decide: "I need an ad in the Economist".
>>> Shaun: One day we made a dis

Re: [Vo]:didcha guys hear about this The Breakthrough Energy Coalition thing?

[Esa Ruoho]

Bob, the thing is, these guys could take a product to market pretty easily
(alibaba, amazon) and provide the infrastructure + sales + marketing
required to pull it off. it's not like these peeps are the ones who are
going to sit around and re-invent fire or something. seems more like
they'll fund the energy revolution.

don't know what they are gonna fund though, etc.
but hopefully we'll hear more soon.

i don't really grok what Bill Gates has been doing re LENR, I mean, I heard
something about him going to meet some LENR people worldwide, or something?


On 1 December 2015 at 21:15, Bob Cook  wrote:

> The list It’s a little ominous in my opinion.  If Darden of Cherokee were
> listed I would feel better.  It would be nice to have a good definition of
> “Breakthrough Energy” that included LENR.  If it is left out, it tells you
> something about the direction of the coalition.
>
> Bob Cook
>
> *From:* Esa Ruoho 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2015 10:37 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* [Vo]:didcha guys hear about this The Breakthrough Energy
> Coalition thing?
>
> Seems like it's a who's who of movers and shakers in the IT / commerce
> biz.
>
> http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com
>
> Ridiculous list of people!
> Salesforce, Amazon, Virgin Group, Alibaba, SAP, SoftBank, Facebook,
> Hewlett Packard.. Wow.
>
> if they're serious, then this is going to progress quite quickly, right?
>
> Surely this can't all be bad news for breakthrough energy systems?
>
> List:
> Mukesh Ambani - Chairman and Managing Director, Reliance Industries Limited
> John Arnold - Co-chair, Laura and John Arnold Foundation
> Marc Benioff - Founder, Chairman and CEO, Salesforce.com
> Jeff Bezos - Founder and CEO, Amazon
> HRH Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - Chairman of the Board of Trustees,
> Alwaleed Philanthropies
> Richard Branson - Founder, Virgin Group
> Ray Dalio - Founder, Bridgewater Associates
> Aliko Dangote - Founder and Chief Executive, Dangote Group
> John Doerr - General Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
> Bill Gates - Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
> Reid Hoffman - Founder, LinkedIn and Partner, Greylock
> Chris Hohn - Founder, The Children's Investment Fund
> Vinod Khosla - Founder, Khosla Ventures
> Jack Ma - Executive Chairman, Alibaba Group
> Patrice Motsepe - Founder and Executive Chairman, African Rainbow Minerals
> (ARM)
> Xavier Niel - Founder, Iliad Group
> Hasso Plattner - Co-founder and Chairman, SAP
> Julian Robertson - Founder and Chairman, Tiger Management
> Neil Shen - Founding Managing Partner, Sequoia Capital China
> Nat Simons and Laura Baxter-Simons - Co-founders, Prelude Ventures
> Masayoshi Son - Founder, Chairman and CEO, SoftBank Group Corp.
> George Soros - Chairman, Soros Fund Management LLC
> Tom Steyer - Businessman, Philanthropist, and President, NextGen Climate
> Ratan Tata - Chairman Emeritus, Tata Sons
> Meg Whitman - CEO, Hewlett Packard Enterprise
> Ms. Zhang Xin and Mr. Pan Shiyi - Co-founder and CEO, SOHO China /
> Chairman, SOHO China
> Mark Zuckerberg and Dr. Priscilla Chan - Founder, Chairman and CEO,
> Facebook  / Pediatrician and CEO, The Primary School
> University of California - Office of the Chief Investment Officer
>
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[Vo]:didcha guys hear about this The Breakthrough Energy Coalition thing?

[Esa Ruoho]

Seems like it's a who's who of movers and shakers in the IT / commerce biz.

http://www.breakthroughenergycoalition.com

Ridiculous list of people!
Salesforce, Amazon, Virgin Group, Alibaba, SAP, SoftBank, Facebook, Hewlett
Packard.. Wow.

if they're serious, then this is going to progress quite quickly, right?

Surely this can't all be bad news for breakthrough energy systems?

List:
Mukesh Ambani - Chairman and Managing Director, Reliance Industries Limited
John Arnold - Co-chair, Laura and John Arnold Foundation
Marc Benioff - Founder, Chairman and CEO, Salesforce.com
Jeff Bezos - Founder and CEO, Amazon
HRH Prince Alwaleed bin Talal - Chairman of the Board of Trustees, Alwaleed
Philanthropies
Richard Branson - Founder, Virgin Group
Ray Dalio - Founder, Bridgewater Associates
Aliko Dangote - Founder and Chief Executive, Dangote Group
John Doerr - General Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers
Bill Gates - Co-chair, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation
Reid Hoffman - Founder, LinkedIn and Partner, Greylock
Chris Hohn - Founder, The Children's Investment Fund
Vinod Khosla - Founder, Khosla Ventures
Jack Ma - Executive Chairman, Alibaba Group
Patrice Motsepe - Founder and Executive Chairman, African Rainbow Minerals
(ARM)
Xavier Niel - Founder, Iliad Group
Hasso Plattner - Co-founder and Chairman, SAP
Julian Robertson - Founder and Chairman, Tiger Management
Neil Shen - Founding Managing Partner, Sequoia Capital China
Nat Simons and Laura Baxter-Simons - Co-founders, Prelude Ventures
Masayoshi Son - Founder, Chairman and CEO, SoftBank Group Corp.
George Soros - Chairman, Soros Fund Management LLC
Tom Steyer - Businessman, Philanthropist, and President, NextGen Climate
Ratan Tata - Chairman Emeritus, Tata Sons
Meg Whitman - CEO, Hewlett Packard Enterprise
Ms. Zhang Xin and Mr. Pan Shiyi - Co-founder and CEO, SOHO China /
Chairman, SOHO China
Mark Zuckerberg and Dr. Priscilla Chan - Founder, Chairman and CEO,
Facebook  / Pediatrician and CEO, The Primary School
University of California - Office of the Chief Investment Officer


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Re: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Vort-list:

It seems that the Adgex Energy TACHYON product might not be as expensive as
I expected it to be (what with Steorn charging 1200€ for a USB-self-charger
that-never-runs-out, I was expecting TACHYON to be 500-1000-5000$ or more).
Fingers crossed that the TACHYON will come out soon.


On 12 October 2015 at 10:40, esa ruoho  wrote:

> Craig & list
>
> The thing that caught my interest about ADGEX's Powerbank is that if you =
> order an ADGEX ELFE for $99, you get 20% off the full price of their usb =
> powerbank.
>
> ...That, and the mere possibility of maybe,, just maybe, being able to =
> finally charge my MacBookPro from (supposed) free energy.
>
> Tachyon? It even sounds cool! ;)
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Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Esa Ruoho]

Thanks Jonas. Ordered the flashlight.
Will you post an unboxing video or even images when you receive yours?


On 29 October 2015 at 21:58, Jones Beene  wrote:

> *From:* esa ruoho
>
>
>
> Could anyone who mentioned, on the Vort list, that they've gotten a
> confirmation that the items are being shipped, please shed any light on the
> details of the e-mail?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> As mentioned in earlier post, they sent email confirmations to me. To wit:
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dear ELFE Customers!*
>
> ADGEX Limited intimates, that your ordered ELFE flashlight will be ready
> for shipping by the end of October.
>
> Specially for you, as one of the first buyers of ELFE flashlight, ADGEX
> gives 20% discount voucher for purchase of our another innovative product
> TACHYON – fast-charging device for mobile devices and laptops!
>
> *We appreciate your choice!*
>
> Sincerely yours,
> ADGEX
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Вы получили это письмо, как пользователь зарегистрированный на сайтах
> ADGEX или Атлант. Если Вы не желаете больше получать нашу рассылку, то
> нажмите ссылку "Отписаться" ниже
>
> You have recieved this mail as user registered on ADGEX website. If you do
> not wish to recieve further newsletters from us then click on link
> "Отписаться" below
>
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Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[esa ruoho]

You know, as things go, I've tried to reach out to ADGEX using every single 
method I've figured out how to.
I've, thus far:

1- Emailed them to 3-4 different email addresses, no response.
2- Left messages on their Twitter -page (Direct Messages), no response
3- Left queries over their Facebook presences (both of the ADGEX presences). 
Chat / Messages, no response.
4- Tried to add them on LinkedIn and approach them that way, no response.
5- Added them on Skype (they added me back), left them a message, no response.
6- Called both of the phone numbers (for Australia, BTW) numerous times, no 
response.

I'm not sure how to approach them in order to reach them.

Could anyone who mentioned, on the Vort list, that they've gotten a 
confirmation that the items are being shipped, please shed any light on the 
details of the e-mail?

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> On 29 Oct 2015, at 21:10, Terry Blanton  wrote:
> 
> I'm confused.
> 
> https://creditorwatch.com.au/express/asic/organisation/156556035/ADGEX-LIMITED
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>> Oh, then which Australians?  (I thought they were Aussies.)
>> 
>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Terry Blanton
>>> 
>>>> Easy to be skeptical of that claim but I would give the Russians a
>>>> fair probability of having some kind of breakthrough,
>>> 
>>> Which Russians?
>>> 
>>> ADGEX
>>> http://www.adgex.com/
>>> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[esa ruoho]

I'm pretty ready to wager that Steorn and ADGEX are using completely different 
technologies.
Btw, Jones, did you really get a notification that the ADGEX ELFE product is 
being shipped next week? I'd better get my orders in, then. 
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> On 29 Oct 2015, at 17:14, Jones Beene  wrote:
> 
> It could be coincidental that the ADGEX product is shipping at the same time 
> or a little ahead of Steorn. The performance claims are very similar.
> 
> Fortunately, I’m only out $99 if it doesn’t work. I got notice to expect the 
> product next week.
> If both ADGEX and Steorn are not the promoting the same or very similar 
> technology – which is a form of self-charging capacitance - it would be 
> mind-boggling. Perhaps the Steorn device also has a lithium battery to 
> account for its higher cost.
> Now ADGEX has a home lighting system which they claim is grid independent.
> http://trade.adgex.com.au/ <http://trade.adgex.com.au/>
> Easy to be skeptical of that claim but I would give the Russians a fair 
> probability of having some kind of breakthrough, whereas Steorn has already 
> proved to be little more than scam artists on two separate occasions. What 
> are Blaze’s odds on this one?
> From: Bob Higgins
> 
> That may be true, but they are only guaranteeing that it will work for 1 
> year.  And, it is not clear that they are guaranteeing that it will still 
> produce 10WH / day at the end of one year.  The internal lithium battery will 
> probably only last about 2 years. 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[esa ruoho]

I'm confused.

Steorn have specifically mentioned Liquid Solutions, an E-Cig producing company 
that does E-Juices for electronic cigarettes - they are Steorn's first 
licensees, and they are coming out with a self-charging E-Cigarette device. - 
here's their press-release: 
http://www.wickedejuice.com/content/41-liquid-solutions-prepares-to-bring-the-orbo-never-die-battery-to-market

They've also sent the E-Cube devices to Brick Bear Clothing, and to Rabbit Hole 
Promotions - both are companies that specialize in either guerrilla marketing 
or better / more widespread social media activities to promote their products 
and skills.

And next week we'll hear about future R&D and additional licensees.

Wasn't it mentioned by Craig that they have a patent on their device.


(Liquid Solutions press-release here:)
27 October 2015

Embargoed until 7pm GMT, 28 October 2015

 

Liquid Solutions Prepares to bring the Orbo 'never die' battery to market

Register for webinar http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7



Liquid Solutions, the only Irish producer of certified e juice for e 
cigarettes, today announces it has licensed the revolutionary Orbo battery 
technology from Steorn to deliver an e cigarette that never needs charging.



Waterford based Liquid Solutions, the makers of Wicked e-juice, has been 
working with Steorn for the past three years to bring the never-die Orbo 
battery to market. This revolutionary move will allow consumers of e cigarettes 
never to charge the batteries in their e cigarettes again. In three short 
years, Liquid Solutions has created a battery small enough to fit into an e 
cigarette and still retain the self charging properties of Orbo.



Killian McGrath, founder of Liquid Solutions, recognized the impact of Orbo 
when first presented with the technology. The never die battery is the holy 
grail of all mobile device manufacturers. Increasingly people travel with 
energy banks, in-car chargers and charging points in public places.  To replace 
the humble battery with an ever-charged Orbo battery is to revolutionize the 
mobile populace.  Now the vaping community need never worry about charging 
their Wicked e cigarettes. We have a market winner.’

Dublin based Steorn headed up by Shaun McCarthy has enjoyed a roller coaster 
ride since its inception fifteen years ago. Their discovery of a constant 
energy source has attracted worldwide interest and criticism. Tonight (28 
October 2015, 7pm GMT) the company is beginning a series of webinars 
introducing their Orbo never die battery. As part of that process, the 
partnership with Liquid Solutions will be broadcast.




In terms of timing, Liquid Solutions intends having its first Orbo vaping 
products available to the Irish marketplace within the next six months. The 
never die batteries will be available to purchase from www.Wickedejuice.com

.

Ends



For more information, please visit www.Wickedejuice.com

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> On 29 Oct 2015, at 17:47, Bob Higgins  wrote:
> 
> It is absurd then for Steorn to have invested in the marketing and 
> engineering to bring it out as a marketized/productized "cube" format with 
> its own brand as they have done.  These are tactics to sell a consumer 
> product.  If they want licencees, then they must have a patent portfolio 
> locking up the technology, publish journal papers on the technology, and then 
> sell demonstration systems that allow the potential investors to SEE how the 
> technology works - not have to tear it open to SEE it in action.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:44 AM, Teslaalset  <mailto:robbiehobbiesh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> Bob, this is not targeted at end-consumers, but potential licensees, to allow 
> evaluation of their granted patent and potential trade secrets included in 
> the license deal. These prototypes also will allow those who want to 
> understand the physics, e.g. universities. What they currently show is far 
> from matured applications and integration. The first home VCR also weighted 
> 15Kg. I'd like my mobile phone having this technology embedded. 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Bob Higgins  <mailto:rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> That may be true, but they are only guaranteeing that it will work for 1 
> year.  And, it is not clear that they are guaranteeing that it will still 
> produce 10WH / day

Re: [Vo]:Steorn: Orbo 28th October 2015 Transcript from Webinar

[Esa Ruoho]

If you guys like the internets more, the transcript is mirrored here:
http://freeenergy.news/steorn/steorn-o-cube-webinar-full-transcript/


On 29 October 2015 at 02:17, Esa Ruoho  wrote:

> Hi, here's my transcript of the Orbo Steorn Webinar broadcast on the 28th
> October 2015.
>
> If you use any of it, please credit accordingly.
> the video is at http://orbo.com/
> --
>
> Pat: Welcome to the Orbo Webinar. We're here today to introduce you to the
> first Orbo product, the O-Cube. Orbo is a highly controversial technology
> ... (Shaun places the O-Cube on the table) ..and we're going to demonstrate
> the functionality of the O-Cube. Before we do that, however, we want to
> just give you a brief flavour of who we are and the journey that we've
> taken over the last fifteen years.
> ---
> Shaun: So, twelve and a half years ago, yeah? Tell me, how on earth, you
> got into this crazy company.
> Pat: The beginning's actually going back fourteen years ago, because, what
> happened was, in 2001, I was looking to evaluate a particular piece of
> technology, nothing to do with Steorn.. And, I didn't know how to evaluate
> it, and I made a number of calls, and I was put in contact with yourselves.
> So, I met Mike and yourself in 2001 and you looked at the proposition, the
> technology we're looking at, and you evaluated it and you said look,
> listen, this is not, you know, something to look at.. so, that was the way
> it was left. And, I went to meet you then in April 2004 and the purpose of
> that conversation was.. ahm..
> Shaun: "Where's me fucking money" (laughs)
> Pat: Well, it wasn't, it wasn't even at that, because I knew, like, the
> proposition for what is.. But the point you were putting to me, was you
> said, "Look, we're looking for a venture capital..".. you said to me, first
> of all, you said to me, "I'm looking for a VC company", and what I did
> was.. I.. The first thing I did probably before I even looked beyond them
> was, I got a friend of mine who's a, you know, he's an engineer and I got
> him to go in and spend some time with yourself and Mike and to evaluate
> what it was. And.. I can remember walking out of Fumberly Court as it was
> on a Friday afternoon and.. the two of yous were walking along side by
> side.. I said "What you think?" and he just said "Can I invest?". And it
> was, it was kind of like that, and I said "Are you serious?" and he said,
> "Pat, If this is right" he said, "This is gonna to be very very serious."
> 
> Mike: So Shaun, looking a bit tired.. Understandable. Ten years defending
> your claims and yourself. Ahm, give us a little bit of background about
> Steorn, for a bit, new people tuning in today.
> Shaun: Steorn was a company that you and me founded, Mike. Back in 2000,
> and we started doing project management.. We were in the world of fruit, a
> lot of bananas. And then we started developing technology for others, as
> you know, that's when we developed forensic systems for companies like
> Microsoft and credit card companies, and we did expert witnessing, in,
> fraud..
> Mike: (interrupts) So you get on..
> Shaun: And then one day..
> Mike: (interrupts) And then one day you're sitting there at your desk,
> magnets spinning around, and you decide: "I need an ad in the Economist".
> Shaun: One day we made a discovery, whatever you gonna call it, a mistake,
> depending on where you sit, where we went, yeah, look..
> We can get more energy out of these bizarre magnetic fields than we're
> putting in, isn't that really cool? And wouldn't it be great to build
> something that uses this, put it in the market, and hopefully make a lot of
> money.
> ---
> Alex?: When I saw yous guys coming in, and meeting up after work, I
> realized that yous were doing a lot of brainstorming, and once I, you know,
> I didn't really know much about it, because I kept hearing the name Steorn,
> and I didn't really know how to pronounce it or anything like that, but I
> realized that yous were doing some interesting stuff, but it's been
> enjoyable seeing the progression over the years, and, you know, we're
> really, really really interested in what's going on, ahm, you know..
> Shaun: And you.. You see all the lads from Steorn, outside and about, in
> and out of there, these lads that just (heard) about every provocation and
> word and insult in the world, they're called conman, scam-artist, and so
> on, you've seen them at their most vulnerable. Honestly what do you think
> of them?
> Alex?:  I've never seen them worry, I've never seen t

[Vo]:Steorn: Orbo 28th October 2015 Transcript from Webinar

[Esa Ruoho]

 years, but that's where this product is going to go. This
is only the beginning, we're only at the beginning, we're only scratching
the surface where we are with this technology today. Where will we be in
ten or thirty years of time..
God only knows.
---
Shaun: So, I wanna pretty much thank everybody for taking the time to watch
this video, ahm, I know there's probably a lot in it, an awful lot of
questions that people about the technology, does it work, how it works, and
so on, let me be clear. We're not getting into any technical details at
this stage.  But what we'll be doing is hearing from the guys who are using
it. The next webinar we'll announce the date of it, early next week, we'll
also in the next webinar be showing you some of the other products that are
in the pipeline, we're showing some of the R&D stuff with respect to where
does the Orbo battery go after the Powercube, and it will be obviously in
mobile consumer electronics, so, all I'm saying, again, thanks very much
from meself and Pat, we look forward to seeing you next time.
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Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Esa Ruoho]

Well, I'm watching the replay of the webinar, at
 https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153326632242672/

when I tuned in to the actual broadcast, they said, 2.1amps, two full
recharges of a smartphone, then 24 hours to recharge in case the battery
ran out.

Did I get it right, Craig? I stand corrected if I got it wrong.

Oh, and the price? 1200€.


On 28 October 2015 at 16:18, Jones Beene  wrote:

> Slight correction
>
>
>
> Ø  I think that this tech is the outgrowth of the Nobel Prize won in 2010
> by a couple of Russians Geim and Novoselov. Russia is slowly becoming
> entrepreneurial but they know they need to deal with local resellers in the
> marketplace.
>
>
>
> I should have added that Andre Geim is Dutch citizen born Russia. Ph.D.
> 1987 from Institute of Solid State Physics, Chernogolovka, Russia.
>
>
>
> Konstantin Novoselov is British and Russian citizen, born 1974 in Russia.
> Ph.D. 2004 from The Netherlands.
>
>
>
> Both Russians were professors at University of Manchester, UK when the won
> the Nobel prize for the discovery of graphene.
>



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Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[esa ruoho]

Wow Craig, just read that the price of the O-Cube will be revealed today!
I sincerely hope it's in the 100s to the 200 euros, rather than 500-1000-2000+ 
euros. 
as I seriously could maybe afford that if it's <200€.
maybe.

http://freeenergy.news/steorn-orbo/o-cube-price-to-be-revealed-as-steorn-webinars-begin/


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> On 28 Oct 2015, at 07:37, Craig Brown  wrote:
> 
> 
> Personally, I'm VERY excited and it's been a long time coming, but worth the 
> wait.
> Been following the lads at Steorn since 2006.
> Enjoying the build-up to it immensely.
> 
> I think it's interesting that no one is talking about Steorn just now, but in 
> a week or soLOL
> 
> Get ready as the impossible becomes possible.
> You heard it here first. ;)
> 
> #Orbo #Steorn #OCube #Overunity
>  Original Message ----
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
> Demonstrations
> From: Esa Ruoho mailto:esaru...@gmail.com>>
> Date: Wed, October 28, 2015 3:22 pm
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com <mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>
> 
> So, anyone excited at all for the Steorn O-Cube webinar starting today?
> starts in 13+ hours, at http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7 
> <http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7>
> 
> On 22 October 2015 at 23:54, Terry Blanton  <mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> No joy.
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Esa Ruoho" mailto:esaru...@gmail.com>>
> To: mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
> Subject: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 3:43 PM
> 
> Terry, try this - the video is there
> https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/ 
> <https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/>
> 
> On 22 October 2015 at 22:30, Terry Blanton  <mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown  <mailto:cr...@overunity.co>> wrote:
> >
> > Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring their
> > O-Cube
> >
> > ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4 
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4>
> 
> Returns "This Video is Private".
> 
> http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1 <http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1>
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Vo]:Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Esa Ruoho]

So, anyone excited at all for the Steorn O-Cube webinar starting today?
starts in 13+ hours, at http://app.webinarjam.net/register/19428/91401be0a7

On 22 October 2015 at 23:54, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> No joy.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -----
> From: "Esa Ruoho" 
> To: 
> Subject: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations
> Date: Thu, Oct 22, 2015 3:43 PM
>
> Terry, try this - the video is there
> https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/
>
> On 22 October 2015 at 22:30, Terry Blanton  wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown  wrote:
>> >
>> > Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring
>> their
>> > O-Cube
>> >
>> > ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4
>>
>> Returns "This Video is Private".
>>
>> http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1
>>
>>
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Re: [Vo]:Reddit question on cold fusion

[Esa Ruoho]

Good stuff. I wonder who the AlainCo voice of reason was.


On 26 October 2015 at 13:56, Alain Sepeda  wrote:

> Just another question on Cold Fusion on reddit.
>
> https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3q7qd3/eli5_can_somebody_explain_to_me_what_cold_fusion/
>



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Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Esa Ruoho]

Terry, try this - the video is there
https://www.facebook.com/217496297671/videos/10153314887302672/

On 22 October 2015 at 22:30, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:14 PM, Craig Brown  wrote:
> >
> > Teaser PROMO for upcoming LIVE Steorn Free Energy Webinars featuring
> their
> > O-Cube
> >
> > ttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3FmbNkfgS4
>
> Returns "This Video is Private".
>
> http://i.imgur.com/AxnBVJ5.png?1
>
>


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Re: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product Demonstrations

[Esa Ruoho]

I wish they would just roll out pre-orders. I mean, I'm ready to save up
for the Steorn Orbo and the ADGEX Tachyon - if either of them charge an
iPhone, an iPad or a MacBookPro, I'm super-ultra-keen. Just really need to
finally get my mittens on something that does something, instead of full of
hot-air PDFs and promises and soon-comes of 10kw this and 500kw that and
2mw the other.

"Just do useful work". Charging an iPhone is useful work. If it's done via
free energy then that's awesome. LENR/CANR, even better. Anything. H2Elec .
Just a simple product, you know? Too much to ask for, I guess..


On 12 October 2015 at 17:52, Orionworks - Steven Vincent Johnson <
orionwo...@charter.net> wrote:

> Hi Esa,
>
>
>
> I'm sure many Vorts remain curious about the further adventures of Steorn
> and Mr. McCarthy. I confess, I still am one of the curious.
>
>
>
> While I remain suitably cautious, and perhaps just a tad suspicions as
> well, I look forward to further developments. How will they "spin" the ORBO
> this time around. ;-)
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> *From:* esa ruoho [mailto:esaru...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 12, 2015 2:57 AM
> *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Vo]:NEW LIVE Steorn Webinars Announced - Product
> Demonstrations
>
>
>
> Hi Craig + list..
>
>
>
> Anyone tuning into this webinar? I know I'll be there with bells on. I
> have not heard back from Orbo/Shaun McCarthy re: what it actually sounds
> like when it charges. Been trying to reach out to them. I hope it's not
> loud.
>
>
>
> >Bit of News for you...
>
> >Steorn will conduct a series of LIVE interactive Webinars beginning on
> October 28th.
>
> >The webinars are an introduction to their free energy technology Orbo
> Powercube.
>
> >They will demo the tech, explain how the components work and field
> questions.
>
> >Link to register for the FREE Live webinar is in the article.
>
> >
> http://freeenergy.news/steorn/exclusive-live-steorn-webinars-on-orbo-powercube/
>
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[esa ruoho]

Hi Craig + list..

Anyone tuning into this webinar? I know I'll be there with bells on. I have not 
heard back from Orbo/Shaun McCarthy re: what it actually sounds like when it 
charges. Been trying to reach out to them. I hope it's not loud.

>Bit of News for you...
>Steorn will conduct a series of LIVE interactive Webinars beginning on October 
>28th.
>The webinars are an introduction to their free energy technology Orbo 
>Powercube.
>They will demo the tech, explain how the components work and field questions.
>Link to register for the FREE Live webinar is in the article.
>http://freeenergy.news/steorn/exclusive-live-steorn-webinars-on-orbo-powercube/

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RE: [Vo]:ADGEX Flashlight Creators Announce USB PowerBank

[esa ruoho]

Craig & list

The thing that caught my interest about ADGEX's Powerbank is that if you =
order an ADGEX ELFE for $99, you get 20% off the full price of their usb =
powerbank.

...That, and the mere possibility of maybe,, just maybe, being able to =
finally charge my MacBookPro from (supposed) free energy.

Tachyon? It even sounds cool! ;)
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[Vo]:ADGEX ELFE Flashlight

[esa ruoho]

So.. has anyone received their ADGEX Elfe Flashlight yet? Just saw a notice 
that the first ones have started shipping out a few weeks or so ago.


I'm still 40E short of getting one, but will grab it and see if I can capture 
any audio out of it charging / discharging by using a LOM Instruments 
Elektrosluch 2 device to make electromagnetic fields audible. Who knows, maybe 
if it's rhythmic enough, it could result in a new track.


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Re: [Vo]:OT: The Truth about islam and little girls.

[Esa Ruoho]

On 3 January 2013 08:16, David Roberson  wrote:

> I find the titles of the threads offensive and to keep seeing them over
> and over is beginning to wear on me.
>

Exactly. My lockscreen and gmail screens are just screaming "leave
vortex-list" at me. and it's sad, because i joined here to read up on
vortices, free energy and cold fusion / LENR / canr  and any kind of
alternative energy sources or debate.

Re: [Vo]:Apple energy patent - wind of hot air?

[Esa Ruoho]

I'm extremely interested in how this will work with their other patents
(especially the hydrogen fuel cell patent for portable mobile devices).
As always, Patentlyapple is an amazing source for Apple Patents, especially
the hydrogen fuel cell + solar + wind power tech patents they are applying
for and being granted.
here's another one on the wind->heat->electricity thing.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/12/12/27/apples-wind-turbine-technology-uses-heat-not-kinetic-energy-to-generate-electricity

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/12/apple-to-harness-stored-wind-energy-via-new-on-demand-system.html
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2012/01/apple-reinvents-the-ionic-wind-generator-cooling-system.html

I'd love to know what the vorts think about that Ionic wind generator
cooling system that Apple have patented and have been working on.

It seems that Apple have been working on  solar-panel-layering for the
touchscreens for future iDevices for quite some time. So if you put all of
these together (wind turbines to harness heat to electricity, new iDevices
with touchscreens with a solar panel layered into the screen, and the
hydrogen fuel cells -- are future Apple devices going to be completely
off-the-grid, recharging etc? That would really blow Android out of the
water - especially if they added insult to injury by producing a keynote
where they graciously charge an android phone with an iPhone ;) )



On 29 December 2012 17:51, Jones Beene  wrote:

>
> http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/27/apple-exploring-alternative-wind-power-tech
> nology-and-motion-control-mac-mice/
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Is this for real?

[Esa Ruoho]

Joseph Newman once wrote a book about his discoveries. He seems to have a
gyroscope-related worldview on magnetism and atoms.
It seems to have some connections with Bedini / etc , i.e., goes against
BackEMF, i.e., is a Lenzless motor.
I can find you the book in PDF form if you want to have a look at it, Rob.


On 23 December 2012 23:26, Rob Dingemans  wrote:

> Don't know if this video was discussed here before.
>  But came across this video.
> Big Eureka - The Energy Machine of Joseph Newman
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?**v=RMYo1QlvK5g
> Be aware the video takes over an hour to see.
> Is this thing for real or not?
>

Re: [Vo]:WITTS 3kW Generator Video

[Esa Ruoho]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 7:44 PM, James Bowery  wrote:
>
> The idea that WITTS is an on-going organization with 200 years of history
> is bizarre.  While its reasonable to deride criticism of technological
> development on the basis of the engineer's religious beliefs, the claim
> that Nicola Tesla, and prior scientists, were members of an organization
> that exists to this day, but which has no  historical record other than the
> testimony of one man, has the ring of an MK-ULTRA op if not outright
> insanity.
>

Yeah, this is the part that I don't really care about. I mean, when I spoke
with them for a few hours on the phone, they said something similar to
Faraday and Maxwell having been involved in this or that. I don't
understand the reason for saying something like that, but I don't consider
it to be any reason to not fund them, they have their own reasons for it.

I don't know if it's a kind of "we have 15 to 45 books" kind of thing (when
someone actually has 8 or 10 books), or what's going on, but overall, the
u.s. peeps have neat lotteries in there (or so we poor scandinavians are
lead to misbelieve) ranging from 250 to 350 million dollars as a first
prize so to throw 15 or 35 million to WITTS/Thrapp people would still leave
a ton of funding for other projects (such as Erik Dollard (who is on
Indiegogo) and John Hutchison (who is on Gofundme). And then pick up some
paypal addresses for Tom Bearden, Dale Pond, Paul Pantone and so on. Call
it risk-money or what you will, but it would surely sort out the wheat from
the chaff very quickly - by allowing one to directly see how these people
are progressing and what they do with the money.

Re: [Vo]:WITTS 3kW Generator Video

[Esa Ruoho]

On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Terry Blanton  wrote:

> > I'm more interested in whether any third parties have inspected this
> device and provided reports.
> I've been in this OU biness for a while and have not seen it
> discussed that I can recall.  Mosey on over to overunity.com and look
> around. If you don't see it discussed, pose the question to Stefan, the
> owner.
>

Umm.. WITTS is pretty exempt from actual, reasonable forum-writing. People
on Overunity / EVGRAY / Energeticforum pretty much taking WITTS to pieces
due to being against Thrapp's way of thinking and his relations to
religious groups. I've been following WITTS for quite some time, ever since
they popped up on WaterFuelMuseum Podcasts and in that old interview with
Jeane Manning.
I tried to pull the URLs together way back when and wrote this:
http://merlib.org/node/5589

While they (WITTS) are still going about it in a certain way (they are
seeking tithes/donations to the tone of tens of millions of dollars - which
is a bit .. complex .. for the everyman), they were organizing tours of
their facilities so one could see for himself/herself.
And the WITTS youtube page nowadays seems to be full of 3rd party reports.
And there was a separate splintergroup,
http://www.enlightenedtechnology.org- trying to organize up enough
donations to get a quantum energy technology
demonstration device built and toured around.

I'll take WITTS with the hopeful/grain'o'salt method, instead of going for
ad hominem attacks due to religion and "having a problem" with Thrapp.

Re: [Vo]:granted patent on enhanced alpha particle emitter by using Zeoline, Palladium, Nickel, e.o.

[Esa Ruoho]

On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 10:56 PM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> Is it just me, or do these "enhanced alpha particle emitter" "slow neutron
> emitter" and "unidentified radiation" devices bear a startling resemblance
> to the triggers of thermonuclear devices?
>
> it's not just you.
i remember reading vortex/schauberger related material and coming across
that the emitter or device is only used to create an implosion and their
explosive stuff that they decided to use it for was only the crudest
possible way of utilizing the results

Re: [Vo]:Bitcoin Forum;Reason for ban?

[Esa Ruoho]

Harvey, have you tried setting up a indiegogo or
http://www.kickstarter.comproject?

On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 6:54 PM, Harvey Norris  wrote:

> It is because I believe that I have developed bonafide methods of
> producing time space curvature that I submitted the following video
> Topological Evidence of Time Distortion in the 666 Machine.
>

Re: [Vo]:2013 History of Cold Fusion Calendar Available Now for the Holidays!

[Esa Ruoho]

Ruby, and what about posting to Finland, f.ex.? No cost? That'll cost you
an arm and a leg :)
Well, too late, you already got my 20$


On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Ruby  wrote:

> Putting together the 2013 History of Cold Fusion Calendar that's what!
> http://coldfusionnow.org/store/2013-history-of-cold-fusion-calendar/
>

Re: [Vo]:NASA: We think we found something . . .

[Esa Ruoho]

It'll be fine, Peter Molyneux already did:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/curiosity-whats-inside-cube/id557549271?mt=8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b72HoQSQmEk <- Curiosity, What's in the box?


On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 10:42 PM, Alan Fletcher  wrote:

> I won't believe it until they send another Curiosity and run a blank test.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign

[Esa Ruoho]

Ly Sig, Vorl Bek.. Nuff said.


On Wed, Nov 14, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Vorl Bek  wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:09:13 +0200
> Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>
> > Anyone else object to posts like the one below?
>
> I do not. It is always good for Enthusiasts to be cautioned about
> how they spend their Money, lest, in an Enthusiastick Fit, they
> spend it Foolishly.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign

[Esa Ruoho]

Anyone else object to posts like the one below?

Sent from some iDevice. Written by Esa.

On 14 Nov 2012, at 13:54, Ly Sig  wrote:

> FYI:
> Jed managed 16050 posts to vortex. Conclusion, Jed has no need to earn money.
> His time is eaten up by addiction to promulgating uncreative, boring script.
> Jed is on a donor list for $1,000 with a slippery group of 4 looking for 
> research donations.
> Only fools send donations to Nigeria and elsewhere if verifiable background 
> and educational achievements are not published, to say nothing of Federal 
> Non-profit status documentation needed for charitable deduction. 
> Reminds me of Jojo who appealed for funds on vortex whereby a Google search 
> reveals his occupation as a worm grower for lizard food. "A fool and his 
> money are soon parted" is a proverb found in the poem "Five Hundred Points of 
> Good Husbandry" by Thomas Tusser
> Anyone else object to "Tin Cup" appeals on vortex?
> Rossi Fan
> 

Re: [Vo]:LENR-CANR.org year-end fundraising campaign

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi Robin.. If you just use the PayPal donation button, you should need to
only put in your creditcard information, instead of opening up a PayPal
account (for which, they'll ask all kinds of details from you). You can
donate to Jed, without having to register for a PayPal account.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM,  wrote:

> >Please click here to make a tax-deductible contribution to
> >LENR-CANR.org
> I tried to donate but they insist on having my home phone number which I
> refuse
> to provide. I tried providing a fake number, but computers seem to have
> grown
> smarter these days (or maybe I'm just not smart enough ;)
>  My basic point is that more info is demanded than is actually needed.
>

Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public

[Esa Ruoho]

When electricity is out city-wide, it becomes real convincing real quick.


On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 8:06 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> I would bet that a demonstration of a charger would not convince many
> about the reality of CF devices.  So many would suggest ways that the
> effect could be faked or scammed just as we have seen before.  I think
> Rossi has the best idea when he says that the market place can make the
> final determination.
>
>  Dave
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Esa Ruoho 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:08 am
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public
>
>  The first person who goes around during a Sandy#2 and charges people's
> laptops and mobile phones with a portable CF-device is going to do a lot
> more to convince people it's a "everyday useful energy-source" than any
> amount of comments on SciAm or elsewhere.
>
>  People want a real-life useful thing. I've tried to tell many about Free
> Energy devices, and they're always like: "Well, can I power my stove with
> it?", which is a valid question from a real-life use point-of-view. A
> question without an answer, unfortunately.
>
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mark Gibbs  wrote:
>
>>  "there is no hope to convince people until there is a working prototype
>> that we can put on the client table, and that clearly work, even roughly."
>>  I could have sworn that was what I've been writing on and off for the
>> last year or so!
>>  No one but scientists care if CF exists but isn't useful in the
>> everyday world. The endless theories about how CF might work are, in
>> practical terms, unimportant. If CF is shown to be useful, everything
>> changes.
>> All that is required is for someone or some company to fire up a CF
>> device that has some measurable useful energy output and leave it running
>> for long enough to convince everyone it's real -- that would be the kind of
>> fact that I think Peter's referring to that would counter the"anti-CF
>> memes."
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public

[Esa Ruoho]

The first person who goes around during a Sandy#2 and charges people's
laptops and mobile phones with a portable CF-device is going to do a lot
more to convince people it's a "everyday useful energy-source" than any
amount of comments on SciAm or elsewhere.

People want a real-life useful thing. I've tried to tell many about Free
Energy devices, and they're always like: "Well, can I power my stove with
it?", which is a valid question from a real-life use point-of-view. A
question without an answer, unfortunately.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Mark Gibbs  wrote:

> "there is no hope to convince people until there is a working prototype
> that we can put on the client table, and that clearly work, even roughly."
> I could have sworn that was what I've been writing on and off for the last
> year or so!
> No one but scientists care if CF exists but isn't useful in the everyday
> world. The endless theories about how CF might work are, in practical
> terms, unimportant. If CF is shown to be useful, everything changes.
> All that is required is for someone or some company to fire up a CF device
> that has some measurable useful energy output and leave it running for long
> enough to convince everyone it's real -- that would be the kind of fact
> that I think Peter's referring to that would counter the"anti-CF memes."
>

Re: [Vo]:We should employ new methods of persuading the public

[Esa Ruoho]

You know what would be really swell, Jed? If you went onto Reddit  (
http://www.reddit.com/r/AMA  (Reddit's AMA (=Ask Me Anything) -forum)) and
identified yourself like this:
I'm a Cold Fusion / Low Energy Nuclear Reactions archivist, ask me anything

or any permutation of. that should get interesting.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 12:49 AM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I have been reading some interesting articles about public opinion and the
> 2012 campaign. I have also been hearing directly from people in the Obama
> campaign.
>
> New methods of reaching the public have been developed in the 21st
> century. The Internet and social media are used to coordinate campaigns,
> gather support and encourage people to vote.
>
> I think we should make use of these techniques to promote cold fusion.
> Perhaps we do not need to do that now. We don't have the resources.
> However, if it becomes widely known that cold fusion is real, I predict it
> will become the focus of intense political activity. We will need to launch
> public relations campaigns. We should think about this now. We should
> prepare for it. As a practical matter I hope that I can contact some of the
> people in the Obama campaign to assist us.
>
> I have mixed feelings about using the manipulative methods of political
> campaigns and Madison Avenue. I find them distasteful. However we need
> these methods if we are going to win. Cold fusion is inherently political
> in many ways. We must deal with political realities.
>
> Both Republicans and Democrats made use of new techniques, but the Obama
> campaign in particular hired a cadre of young, hotshot social scientists
>  who are pioneering new methods. These methods are first and foremost
> pragmatic. They have been refined with field tests and actual data from
> respondents. These researchers have discovered a number of facts and new
> techniques about persuasion and public opinion. Some of them overturn
> widely held conventional ideas. Here's an interesting example. In a
> campaign the goal should not be to persuade people in the middle so much as
> to: 1. Hold onto one's own set of supporters; 2. Persuading moderates on
> the other side.
>
> Suppose the range of opinions on a political issue can be quantified such
> that a range of responses are graded from 1 to 10. Extremists in support of
> your side are at 1 and 2; people at 5 have no strong opinion; and people at
> the opposite extreme are at 9 and 10. I mean that when you ask a question
> people fill out numbers, the way people grade movies at Netflix. Your
> campaign should strive to hold onto people from 1 to 4, and it should reach
> out to people at 6 and 7 rather than 5. They are more likely to come over
> to your side than the people at 5.
>
> To take concrete example, in the third debate we saw Romney espouse
> foreign-policy positions very similar to Obama's. I think it is likely he
> did this deliberately in response to this recent public opinion research.
> He was trying to win over moderate Democrats rather than middle-of-the-road
> people or extremists on either side. In other words, if we say the
> continuum runs from 1 for extreme Democrats to 10 for extreme Republicans,
> Romney was trying to appeal to people at 3 or 4, rather than 5. In previous
> campaigns the target would be people at 5 or 6. Romney was trying to win
> over moderately conservative Democrats who have stronger opinions than the
> "undecided middle," or "persuadable man in the street." It turns out that
> people who already have some opinion on the subject are more persuadable
> than people who have no opinion, even when the former have an opinion
> somewhat against the one you wish to sell them.
>
> Applying this example to cold fusion, I target the papers and
> presentations at LENR-CANR.org to persuade physicists and engineers who are
> moderately opposed to cold fusion, rather than physicists who have no
> opinion about cold fusion. I should target professionals and those who have
> some standing and knowledge of physics, rather than people who are in the
> middle of the road, and people who have no opinions and nothing invested in
> the question.
>
> This may seem counter-intuitive but it has been tested field tested with
> large groups of people and I think it is probably correct.
>
> I will go through my browser history and buy some books, and report more
> about this in the coming weeks.
>
> In the 1980s and 90s, political campaigns about many techniques from
> Madison Avenue and commercial public opinion research firms. Starting in
> 2000 for the Democrats in particular began developing their own social
> science theory and public opinion theories. As I said, Obama has hired some
> of the most ambitious hotshot talent in this field. The DNC invested
> millions of dollars in computer databases and analyses. Some of these are
> superior to the best commercial efforts, and starting this year Madison
> Avenue is beginning to reach out to the campaigns instead of 

[Vo]:LENR and Kickstarter?

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi.

Has there ever been a LENR project on Kickstarter? Maybe it would be time
for a reasonable LENR researcher to set up a Kickstarter project and to
thus seek crowdfunding from the masses. A reasonable project with a clear
goal and not too much money (I'm thinking 100-200k) with decent perks,
maybe kits, could get enough attention that people would fund it enough for
it to come through. Are there any such U.S. dwelling LENR researchers who
would be up for setting this kind of a project on Kickstarter? Well, it
could also be set up on IndieGoGo, but that site doesn't really have as big
a following and hype behind it as Kickstarter.


Recent (related) Kickstarter / IndieGogo project examples:
http://www.indiegogo.com/teslamuseum

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/tesla/electricity-the-life-story-of-nikola-tesla
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/movingwindmills/moving-windmills-documentary-film

it can go terribly right, too:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android

and terribly wrong, too:
http://www.indiegogo.com/Dynaspheres-to-Europe
http://www.indiegogo.com/magnetic-battery

[Vo]:"The Believers", Cold Fusion Documentary wins The Gold Hugo Award for Best Documentary at the Chicago Film Festival.

[Esa Ruoho]

from the site moviecitynews:
"The *Gold Hugo *goes to *THE BELIEVERS* (USA). This tightly constructed
cinematic argument with strong characters puts a human face on scientific
research and discovery acknowledging our universal understanding of human
failings in our desire to achieve success. In *THE BELIEVERS,* the
filmmakers remind us just how inexact science really is sometimes.
Directors: Clayton Brown and Monica Long Ross."

http://moviecitynews.com/2012/10/the-48th-chicago-international-film-festival-announces-the-winners-of-its-competitions/
http://coldfusionnow.org/screen-daily-reviews-the-believers/
http://www.screendaily.com/reviews/the-latest/the-believers/5047850.article?blocktitle=Latest-Reviews&contentID=1479

Seems the 137 Films people are still looking for supporters and some
volunteers for various jobs:
http://www.137films.org/support-us.html

[Vo]:its been great

[Esa Ruoho]

you guys had a real nice list going. then mary yugo joined. im out of here.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

[Esa Ruoho]

Seriously off-topic. This is one other method used by people who  came at
the FE scene  vehemently by joining the Steorn forum and starting their
diversions.


On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Terry Blanton wrote:
>
>> Owners yes.  Users no.
>>
>> And MAC address?
>>
>
>
> I don't want to belabor this but how would you correlate a MAC address
> with a particular owner OR user?  Without a subpoena or court order?  Far
> as I know the information is not public.  Or did I misunderstand you?  I
> don't work with internet details much.
>

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

[Esa Ruoho]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:35 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his.
>> Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these
>> people ever organize a "plug your phone in here to charge it" type
>> demonstrations. It's always good to have them do something understandable,
>> some work which a layman can comprehend. They can comprehend  solar
>> umbrella charging stations  at festivals, cos they can plug in their mobile
>> devices and have them charged. While it's probably great to sell to
>> customers who give you a load o' money for a large device, sometimes
>> thinking small is worth it too.
>>
> I have previously suggested a much better demo for Rossi.  He should let
> himself be flown to a high mountain top cabin or tent up in the Alps with a
> couple of E-cats (one as a spare), some hydrogen and nickel, and food and
> water.  No heater.  No stove.  No warm clothes... in fact preferably no
> clothes at all.  I'd give him an emergency radio.  Let's see how long he
> stays during a cold winter.
>

Look, this isn't reasonable. You'll now say "you say it isn't reasonable,
because you know the tech doesnt work!", but that's not it. The reason this
isn't reasonable is because it isn't humane. Would you jump at a chance to
be taken away to a secluded place and left there, by a bunch of people whom
you don't know, who don't trust you and whom you don't trust? What are the
chances we'd see a quick article saying "Andrea Rossi completely flipped in
the helicopter and jumped out and died", and then you could start going off
about how unhinged FE researchers really are, how deluded and irrational,
etc.
What you describe is tantamount to kidnapping. That's not the way to go
about it. Let Rossi demonstrate whatever he has, his way. You aren't even
serious with a suggestion like this. No thinking human being would go for
your suggestion. You wouldn't, either. This just shows your attitude
towards things. It's flippant, sarcastic, and you don't consider these
human beings  human beings at all.
"Hey Rossi, why dontcha get naked, jump in this helicopter with your
devices and be in a secluded hut for a while? You'll be safe with your
device, right? ha ha".  What's missing is a couple of your LOLs.

You call me a staunch believer. That is decidedly weird. Can you not
>> comprehend that some can be optimistic, positive and hopeful for new
>> technologies, be they coming from Thane C. Heins, Steorn, Andrea Rossi,
>> John Bedini or any of the other people, yet still want to invest in devices
>> only after they're available and do provable work?
>
> I can't understand being optimistic about any of these people because they
> have no credible evidence that anything they do works.  Bedini's stuff
> can't and doesn't work -- it's "free energy" from magnets.  That's just
> bulldokey.  I'd have to look up Heins but I think it's in the same category
> and you already what I think of Steorn and exactly why.
>

You can't decide on Thane C. Heins before you look up what he's done
regarding Regenerative Breaking, Regenerative Acceleration and Back EMF.
Actually, you can, but that's just your gut feeling which you will manifest
as an opinion.
In my opinion, these are the most promising people out and about right now.
YMMV. You know, I don't expect you to do any research. You will always be a
deconstructivist.

If you were serious about John Bedini, you would have attended the
Renaissance Charge convention back in 2010 and the second one in July 2011.
They were giving kits out to the attendees, and instructing on how to build
them. Get your feet wet before using MythBusters as a reliable source for
disregarding John Bedini. :)

I suppose you can't comprehend why I'm hopeful and see promise, for the
>> same reason as I can't understand your emotionally hostile attitude towards
>> Rossi, replete with sarcastic "humor", ad hominem attacks and, frankly put,
>> pointless hatred. You're the same as you were with Steorn.
>>
> Right.  In Steorn's case, please explain to me why they took 20+ million
> Euros of investor money and made dozens of claims and promises not a one of
> which ever was proven true to this very day.
>

What do I know about 20+ million euros and Steorn? Nothing, that's what.
What do you care about 20+ million euros of investor money? Was it yours?
Keep your nose out of other people's business, even if your main project in
life is to stir excrement in a pot and lob it at people.


> I guess the main problem with all of this stuff is that noone has done a
>> good, solid website presentation on a device which is already finished and
>> can be purchased by consumers. Until someone does that, none of the others
>> will know better - they'll still be picking the brightest cyan background
>> and that cool looking Comic Sans font.
>>
> You're joking, yes?  I can't really tell.  It's not these people's web
> sites that are the problem!
>

I'm dead serious.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

[Esa Ruoho]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:16 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> I find much about Rossi laughable and the whole ongoing story is immensely
> amusing.  That's true regardless of how it turns out.
>

Well, the design of the website is certainly laughable. It totally conforms
with all the other websites. What is it about alternative energy that
demands that websites need to look like this:
http://rexresearch.com/
http://keelynet.com/
What is it about the nineties that is so precious to alternative energy
developers that they can't step up and CSS?

I'd be interested in running a gig PA with that smaller generator of his.
Then I'd know it's all useful. I still can't believe that none of these
people ever organize a "plug your phone in here to charge it" type
demonstrations. It's always good to have them do something understandable,
some work which a layman can comprehend. They can comprehend  solar
umbrella charging stations  at festivals, cos they can plug in their mobile
devices and have them charged. While it's probably great to sell to
customers who give you a load o' money for a large device, sometimes
thinking small is worth it too.

You call me a staunch believer. That is decidedly weird. Can you not
comprehend that some can be optimistic, positive and hopeful for new
technologies, be they coming from Thane C. Heins, Steorn, Andrea Rossi,
John Bedini or any of the other people, yet still want to invest in devices
only after they're available and do provable work? I suppose you can't
comprehend why I'm hopeful and see promise, for the same reason as I can't
understand your emotionally hostile attitude towards Rossi, replete with
sarcastic "humor", ad hominem attacks and, frankly put, pointless hatred.
You're the same as you were with Steorn.

Now, I can safely say that having added Sean McCarthy on Facebook, I don't
find most of his postings at all interesting or on point, but he uses
Facebook for his life, not for promoting Steorn, except with hazy videos
every once in a while.

I guess the main problem with all of this stuff is that noone has done a
good, solid website presentation on a device which is already finished and
can be purchased by consumers. Until someone does that, none of the others
will know better - they'll still be picking the brightest cyan background
and that cool looking Comic Sans font.

Re: [Vo]:This forum is not a supermarket checkout line tabloid

[Esa Ruoho]

On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 4:03 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> I think Bill Beaty should ask you to stop.
>>
>
> Although some enjoy my sarcastic humor, I have stopped doing it after the
> complaints.
>

You're the only one. who enjoys your sarcastic "put-down"-type  "humor".
You even call it humor.

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

[Esa Ruoho]

On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:09 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:
>
> What is this drivel?
>>
> An attempt at humor.  Sorry it didn't rattle your funny bone!
>

Since when was putting people down  humorous?
Will you never run out of excuses and "plausible but totally fake
explanations"? :D

Re: [Vo]:Order Form

[Esa Ruoho]

On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:55 AM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> Whoopee.  I have to rush to put up an order form for my pink, invisible
> flying unicorns that make free energy.


What is this drivel?

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

[Esa Ruoho]

A few years ago you picked Steorn as your favourite hobby horse. Now you've
picked Rossi. What's the connection? They get a lot of publicity and people
are interested in them. So you manifest yourself in whichever place strikes
your whimsy, pour forth from the abundance within your soul and try your
damnedest to convince everyone that they were being misled.
The Prince(ss) rides the white horse and saves all internet imbeciles from
having to believe in total crock (maryyugo opinion). What a waste of
everyone's time.

P.s. I *seriously* doubt Jed Rothwell expects you to read thousands. That's
just a comfortable random number which makes it possible for you to scoff
at the impossibility. I doubt Jed even sent you over 30 documents to check.


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
>
>> No time to study the literature but time to nagger and flood forums all
>> day with messages.
>>
>
> I have time to study about Rossi and directly related writings.  I don't
> have time to read the thousands of seemingly inconclusive and difficult
> papers Jed would like me to read.  The ones he already suggested which I
> looked at were extremely and unnecessarily complex and did not convince me
> of anything.  I am not here to debate cold fusion.  I hope it works.  I am
> here to discuss Rossi's extravagant claims and the lame evidence that he
> might be telling the truth and the more convincing evidence that he's not.
> What does "nagger" mean as a verb?  I never saw the word used that way
> before.
>
> I find most of what believers write to be objectionable and I respond to
> it.  It is premature to speculate about what the E-cat will do to the world
> until we know that it really works and believers simply assume that.  And
> they are the ones who are the most prolific by far.  I just respond
> occasionally.
>
>

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

[Esa Ruoho]

Keeping "feet on fire" is a good way of wasting valuable research and
development time.
Would you like to do your work while some know-it-all smart alec is lobbing
rocks at your skull? You justify your actions by saying  it was a scam and
total trash, by your estimate. Now you give the usual (the ever-present)
"Just prove it to me and I*ll believe you and stop trying to disprove it by
vaguely informed and vaguely uninformed information". If we continue on
this and pick any single exotic energy technology, you'll roll out the "But
if it's so damn good, why don't they close the loop and prove to everyone
it totally majorly works".

There is nothing useful coming out of you. You will never support anything.
You exist to detract and to put down, to destroy.

You are not a creator and never will be.
It's a shame because there is so much  that could be done on this planet.

I hope you get your kicks from writing negativity  and have a happy life.
It's tainted.

I have only one quote for you:
"Do you create anything, or just criticize others work and belittle their
motivations?"  -Steve Jobs


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Mary Yugo  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:
>
>> mary yugo appeared on the Steorn forums and has never been supportive of
>> any exotic energy technology developer, company or anything.
>> this pseudonym is just a hater.
>>
>
> Most people now believe that Steorn was a scam.  Are you suggesting I
> should support a scam.  Name a single exotic energy technology or developer
> who has proven they have a valid method that I hated or failed to support
> or don't accuse me being a "hater".  I will cop to the charge of hating
> scammers.  I despise them.  I think that makes perfect sense.  I can't
> imagine why one would have affection for thieves.
>
> One of the reasons Steorn was not able to waste more investor money than
> they did was that the critics and skeptics on their forum kept their feet
> to the fire.  Even then, as recently as 6 months ago, someone sank another
> half million Euros in Steorn.  I found that pretty amazing.  I guess there
> are always some people who are beyond help and don't listen to reason.
>

Re: [Vo]:People who will not do their homework do not deserve a response

[Esa Ruoho]

mary yugo appeared on the Steorn forums and has never been supportive of
any exotic energy technology developer, company or anything.
this pseudonym is just a hater.


On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 7:33 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I have had it with Mary Yugo. She wrote:
>

[Vo]:keelynet weighs in on rossi

[Esa Ruoho]

*

11/08/11 - Cold Fusion – Boondoggle and Bonanza?
At his public demonstration in October, Mr. Rossi built a larger version of
the E-cat, by combining many smaller cold fusion modules. At this
demonstration, an initial energy input of 400 watts was put into each
module. Each module, then produced a continuous and sustained output of 10
kW for a total of 47 kW for three to four hours. Mr. Rossi does not yet
have a patent, and so the inner workings of the E-cat are unknown to the
public. Mr. Rossi has incorporated, under the name Leonardo Corp., which
will produce and sell his E-cat machines. If Mr. Rossi's E-cat machine does
work, then it will be a bonanza for him and for the world. And if Mr.
Rossi's E-cat machine does in fact (NOT) work, then it will be a boondoggle
(Work or activity that is wasteful or pointless but gives the appearance of
having value) for all the other energy producers in the world. - Full
Article 
Source

( http://keelynet.com )


*

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's customer

[Esa Ruoho]

you know peter,since youre always so negative about rossi and now you say
theres no customer, i#m going to be overtly positive and guess its Apple.
i hope these two messages cancel eachother out.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Peter Gluck  wrote:

> At such a great scale "The Oct. 28 Test" is a contradiction
> in terms- it has to be at least "the 3 days test starting on Oct. 28"
> No company having elementary idea of engineering would accept a short test
> for such a Behemoth, there are necessary hours to make all the 52 Fat-Cats
> functional, then
> they work or not work 3-4 hours and it is over.. Who can accept such a
> test? Why?
>
> This Partner has not helped Rossi who was forced to sell his house in order
> to continue.
>
> The most probable is that the test will be done by the inventor's people
> from his US company and by some
> specialists hired by Ampenergo- i.e. NO real partner exists.
> The identity of the experimenters will not be revealed probably and we will
> receive results from Rossi, as he wish. We will see no instruments and no
> steam commensurate with 1 MW heat.
> My bet is NO REAL CUSTOMER.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> I have no idea who this customer might be. I do not like to guess,
>> speculate or read the tea leaves when I have no information, but I believe
>> it is unlikely that a major corporation is involved. I say this for the
>> following reasons:
>>
>> Several large corporations and institutions such as Georgia Tech have
>> contacted me about this test. They say it would be unwise to test such a
>> large reactor without first doing a series of small-scale tests at lower
>> power levels. Jumping up to high level without first doing these tests would
>> be dangerous. They are baffled by this plan. I have echoed their remarks
>> here. So I do not think they would countenance such a large increase.
>>
>> I asked Rossi whether he has a permit to do this test. He did not respond.
>> I do not know whether he has one or not, but it seems unlikely to me. I
>> simply cannot imagine that any sane government official would issue one. I
>> hate to speculate about these things but that seems impossible. Large
>> corporations are sticklers for the rules. They *write* the rules, in
>> cooperation with government regulators. I doubt they would get involved in a
>> test of a large nuclear reactor that is probably an egregious criminal
>> violation of health and safety standards. I do not know about Europe but in
>> the US or Japan this would cause a major scandal, with people being arrested
>> and perp-walked in front of reporters. This is not something GE or
>> Mitsubishi would let themselves get involved in, ever, under any
>> circumstances.
>>
>> If a subordinate at GE were to suggest getting involved, I suppose
>> management would demand a copy of the permits and certifications for the
>> reactor as the first step. They would demand technical documents showing
>> that the reactor was designed by a professional engineering firm that
>> specializes in pressure vessels. They would want to see computer simulations
>> of pressure and heat conditions, and certificates showing that the welding
>> was done by certified experts. I sure as heck would. Testing a laboratory
>> scale device is one thing; industrial equipment is quite another. A machine
>> of this size and power is dangerous, even when it is designed with the best
>> modern computers and simulations, and when it is fabricated by experts and
>> then carefully examined by an inspector. A conventional combustion reactor
>> of this size is dangerous. If a hose connection fails, the hose may fly off
>> with enough force to crush someone's skull, and the steam may scald them to
>> death. This is not a damned toy, or something you casually turn on after a
>> few weeks of partial testing.
>>
>> The test on October 6 clearly did not involve any professional engineering
>> or instrumentation such as a corporation would bring. Terry Blanton remarked
>> that a corporation would use large, professional grade instruments with
>> recent NIST certification stickers. You can recognize this kind of thing. I
>> did not see any. They did not even have a computer or flow meters for some
>> of the critical data. To be blunt, the October 6 test was so half-assed, the
>> students at my local high school could have done a better job. (Granted
>> several of those kids got into MIT and Georgia Tech.) I find it hard to
>> believe that a major corporation would jump into this project and be
>> prepared for a 1 MW test three weeks after the test that produced somewhere
>> between six and 10 kW but you can't tell because the instruments were so
>> bad.
>>
>> Videos and photographs of the equipment outdoors to not show any sign of
>> professional instrumentation being deployed around it. Again, I do not think
>> that a professional organization would jump in and be prepared to do a major
>> test with the outside equipment in th

Re: [Vo]:An interesting Steve jobs quote for Professor Rossi

[Esa Ruoho]

notice R. Buckminster Fuller in that video.



On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Ron Kita  wrote:

>  Here’s to the crazy ones, the misfits, the rebels, the troublemakers, the
> round pegs in the square holes… the ones who see things differently —
> they’re not fond of rules… You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify
> or vilify them, but the only thing you can’t do is ignore them because they
> change things… they push the human race forward, and while some may see them
> as the crazy ones, we see genius, because the ones who are crazy enough to
> think that they can change the world, are the ones who do.” – Think
> Different, narrated by Steve Jobs
>
> Ron Kita,  Chiralex
>
>
>

[Vo]:quantum levitation

[Esa Ruoho]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws6AAhTw7RA


pretty

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

[Esa Ruoho]

Siri in "action" http://shitthatsirisays.tumblr.com/


On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Esa Ruoho  wrote:

> let the man be excited by the things he considers exciting and interesting.
> i wouldn't mind having a bit of a chat with siri myself, being a 3gs user.
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:
>
>> Kind of nutty, too. See:
>> "Steve Wozniak is first in line for iPhone 4S"
>> Why? Because he likes hanging around with people, schmoozing and signing
>> autographs.
>>
>

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Woz is a mensch

[Esa Ruoho]

let the man be excited by the things he considers exciting and interesting.
i wouldn't mind having a bit of a chat with siri myself, being a 3gs user.

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 9:48 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> Kind of nutty, too. See:
> "Steve Wozniak is first in line for iPhone 4S"
> Why? Because he likes hanging around with people, schmoozing and signing
> autographs.

Re: [Vo]:Oct 6 Test

[Esa Ruoho]

22passi  Daniele Passerini
The E-Cat module keeps working in self-sustained mode
45 minutes ago 

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 09:19 AM 10/6/2011, Craig Haynie wrote:
>
> I've been reading Passerini's tweets, and it looks like this eCat has
> been running in self-sustained mode for about 4 hours now.
>  https://twitter.com/#!/22passi
>
>
> I make it not quite an HOUR :
>
> 22passi  Daniele Passerini
> the E-Cat goes on in autosustaining
> 51 minutes ago 
>
>
>