RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Robert Leguillon]

The simplicity is elegant.  Repeat your most-cited demonstration, and you'll 
get $1 million USD, no strings attached.  
 
You can buy use the money for whatever you want - "You can use it for further 
research - perhaps to re-purchase your house or even donate some of the money 
to charity."
 
I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that "Margot Egan" is an 
anagram of "No Mortgage"?
 



Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2012 11:14:41 -0500
From: cheme...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?








Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo
by Steven B. Krivit 
From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for 
Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT
To: Andrea Rossi
From: Dick Smith
Dear Mr Rossi
Re:  USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration
Dick Smith is my name.  I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia.  Possibly 
the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE.
Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust.  
Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you.   Mr Millin communicated 
the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the 
potential to solve the world’s energy problems.  Mr Millin said that he had 
your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the 
Australian “rights” to your invention.
After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that 
evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed.
There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin claiming 
that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence that this is 
not the case.
At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me 
for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my 
AUD200,000.
As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have 
determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like to 
offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 
demonstration.
One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be held 
in an escrow account if you desire.  I do not want to know how the unit 
operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales.  My satisfaction 
will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the world’s 
greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will be solved.
I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated  many 
millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate 
results.  We have not complained about this.
My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the March 
29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output 
power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions).
As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we 
use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 
2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to cover any 
reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the 
demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have 
been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power 
output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam.
I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to whether the 
unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an irrevocable Bank 
cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the demonstration is 
successfully completed.  If Kullander and Essen are not available, I am happy 
to agree with you on two other individuals of similar expertise to attend the 
new demonstration as the judges.  I am sure we can come to an agreement as to 
who would be suitable and independent.  It would also be necessary to have a 
third person - who you and I can agree on - to assist with the type of 
measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are no doubts that the scientific 
community will accept the results.
I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more 
than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times.  
To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the 
demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to 
a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight 
times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the 
USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication 
through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future.
Mr Rossi, I believe the advantage of my 

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

I love it!

I hope Rossi accepts the challenge.

The pessimist within me however thinks he won't. I'm inclined to think
Rossi might be inclined to reply with something to the effect that he's too
busy to spend time on what he will try to describe as nothing more than
unimportant parlor demonstration... whatever.

I hope I'm wrong.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote:

_Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_




Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi!
This is an offer he simply cannot refuse.

Cheers,
S.A.

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jones Beene]

Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting
???

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg


From: Robert Leguillon 

> I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that "Margot Egan" is
an anagram of "No Mortgage"?
 
<>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Daniel Rocha]

Dick Smith is betting that ecat  is being fed by a  ground device. Rossi
will be surely successful and this  will make other skeptics angry, such
those  that  bet on heated metal (preposterous) or on a compact chemical
support (quite reasonable).

2012/2/14 Jones Beene 

> Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting
> ???
>
> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>
>
> From: Robert Leguillon
>
> > I'm sure it's just coincidence, but did you notice that "Margot Egan" is
> an anagram of "No Mortgage"?
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Alan J Fletcher]

At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:


Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat
Demo
My offer is very simple, which I
will restate:  I ask you to repeat the March 29, 2011 demonstration
purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output power of many times
the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions).
As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I
suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they
attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would
be happy to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to
attend the repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the
wires (because, as you know, there have been claims that the wiring may
have been misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation
to both the heated water and the steam.
I understand the 29 March 2011
demonstration took place over a period of more than six hours and showed
a power multiplication of approximately ten times.  To make the
demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the demonstration to
qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to a
five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight
times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the
USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for
the future.
I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example,
the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
water.
Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. 
K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with
recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the
tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[pagnucco]

I have a hard time seeing why Rossi would pay any attention to this:

(1) If his e-cat is real, $1M is a miniscule distraction.

(2) If it's a mistake or fraud, replying would foolish.

> On 2012-02-14 17:14, Chemical Engineer wrote:
>> _Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo_
>> 
>> 
>
> Somebody quickly forward this to Andrea Rossi!
> This is an offer he simply cannot refuse.
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Robert Lynn]

The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi
doesn't accept.

If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith
opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently
replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output >1kW.

On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:

>  At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
>
> * Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat 
> Demo
> *
>
>
>
> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear
> reactions).
>
> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest
> we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended
> the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to cover
> any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of
> the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as you know,
> there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also
> the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the
> steam.
>
>
> I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of
> more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten
> times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the
> demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
> reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at
> least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify
> for the USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
> multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the
> future.
>
>
>
> I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example,
> the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
> water.
> Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.
>
> K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations
> from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with
> callibrated equipment, etc etc.
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-02-14 20:19, Robert Lynn wrote:

The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi
doesn't accept.


Exactly this.

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[David Roberson]

An X-Prize would be an excellent idea.  I hope that Mr. Smith gives this 
concept serious consideration.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: Robert Lynn 
To: vortex-l 
Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?


The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi 
doesn't accept.


If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith 
opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently replicable 
cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output >1kW.


On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:


At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:

Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo




My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the March 
29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output 
power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear reactions).

As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we 
use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the March 
2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to cover any 
reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the 
demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there have 
been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also the power 
output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the steam.



I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of more 
than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten times.  
To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the 
demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were reduced to 
a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at least eight 
times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify for the 
USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power multiplication 
through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the future.



I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the Oct 
5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than water.
Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8. 

K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from 
Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated 
equipment, etc etc.

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Chemical Engineer]

>From what I can tell of their new book on abundance, they think solar power
is a significant future energy solution and do not mention LENR (or know
what it is) at all.  I worked on a CSP (concentrated solar power) project
for two years and if they think solar is the solution to our problems we
are all in trouble.  CSP is smoke and mirrors.

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:32 PM, David Roberson  wrote:

> An X-Prize would be an excellent idea.  I hope that Mr. Smith gives this
> concept serious consideration.
>
> Dave
>
>
>  -Original Message-
> From: Robert Lynn 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
>
> The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi
> doesn't accept.
>
>  If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if
> Smith opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently
> replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output >1kW.
>
> On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
>
>>  At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
>>
>> *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat 
>> Demo<http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2012/02/14/smith-offers-1-million-prize-for-successful-e-cat-demo/>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>  My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
>> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
>> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear
>> reactions).
>>
>> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I
>> suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they
>> attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy
>> to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the
>> repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as
>> you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been
>> misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the
>> heated water and the steam.
>>
>>
>>  I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period
>> of more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately
>> ten times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if
>> the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
>> reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at
>> least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify
>> for the USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
>> multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>>  I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example,
>> the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
>> water.
>> Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.
>>
>> K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with
>> recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the
>> tests with callibrated equipment, etc etc.
>>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:03 PM, Jones Beene  wrote:
> Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and waiting
> ???
>
> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg

Outstanding!

"Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?

>From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!

T

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

Terry sez:

>> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>
> Outstanding!
>
> "Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?
>
> From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!

With special emphasis on the vowels in "BOOM"... or "DOOM" depending
on the interpretation.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[pagnucco]

Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge
the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012?
- or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com?

Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker.

>
> An X-Prize would be an excellent idea.  I hope that Mr. Smith gives this
> concept serious consideration.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Lynn 
> To: vortex-l 
> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
>
>
> The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi
> doesn't accept.
>
>
> If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith
> opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently
> replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output >1kW.
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
>
>
> At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
>
> Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo
>
>
>
>
> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy
> nuclear reactions).
>
> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest
> we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended
> the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to
> cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the
> repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as
> you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been
> misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both
> the heated water and the steam.
>
>
>
> I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of
> more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten
> times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if
> the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
> reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at
> least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify
> for the USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
> multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for
> the future.
>
>
>
> I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example,
> the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
> water.
> Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.
>
> K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations
> from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with
> callibrated equipment, etc etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Terry Blanton]

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 2:58 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
 wrote:

> With special emphasis on the vowels in "BOOM"... or "DOOM" depending
> on the interpretation.

Or, in Greek:   ΒΘΘΜ

T

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Peter Gluck]

I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict Rossi's
reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat)
In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$
for a 'perfect" test.
Let's see!
Peter

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM,  wrote:

>
> Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not pledge
> the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012?
> - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com?
>
> Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker.
>
> >
> > An X-Prize would be an excellent idea.  I hope that Mr. Smith gives this
> > concept serious consideration.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-----
> > From: Robert Lynn 
> > To: vortex-l 
> > Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm
> > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
> >
> >
> > The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning if Rossi
> > doesn't accept.
> >
> >
> > If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice if Smith
> > opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently
> > replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power output
> >1kW.
> >
> >
> > On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher  wrote:
> >
> >
> > At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
> >
> > Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
> > March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had
> an
> > output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy
> > nuclear reactions).
> >
> > As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I
> suggest
> > we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended
> > the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to
> > cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the
> > repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as
> > you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been
> > misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both
> > the heated water and the steam.
> >
> >
> >
> > I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of
> > more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately
> ten
> > times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if
> > the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
> > reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication ratio of at
> > least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to qualify
> > for the USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
> > multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power problems for
> > the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example,
> > the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
> > water.
> > Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.
> >
> > K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with
> recommendations
> > from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with
> > callibrated equipment, etc etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


-- 
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Robert Lynn]

I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for example, the
Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam rather than
water. Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.  K&E would be fine to
supervise ... but I think I'd go with recommendations from Jed (ISTR) to
hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with callibrated equipment, etc
etc.


For a short 5hour test you must minimise the size of the reaction vessel to
eliminate any possibility of chemical or stored heat sources, so you need
to use a 'naked' ecat.

Given all of the complaints and commentaries on Rossi's calorimetry I am
pretty sure that any tester now would go into the test with their eyes wide
open and a big check list of things to look at.

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jones Beene]

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton 

> Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and
waiting ???

http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg


Outstanding!

"Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?

>From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!



Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'?

Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie
engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning.

Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional
analysis, it's measured in "Wilberforce"?

http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/



<>

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with "not
worth the effort".
On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:

>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Blanton
>
> > Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and
> waiting ???
>
> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>
>
> Outstanding!
>
> "Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?
>
> From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!
>
>
>
> Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'?
>
> Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days. Lingerie
> engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning.
>
> Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional
> analysis, it's measured in "Wilberforce"?
>
> http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[pagnucco]

Rossi is certainly an enigmatic character, but it is highly improbable
that he would slow his race with Defkalion if they both have real LENR
technology for such a small amount, nor would Rossi accept it if e-cat is
a fraud.  Either way, Smith can be pretty sure his offer will receive no
response.

Smith should take some real risks to show good faith himself.

Peter Gluck wrote:
> I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict
> Rossi's
> reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat)
> In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million US$
> for a 'perfect" test.
> Let's see!
> Peter
>
> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not
>> pledge
>> the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012?
>> - or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com?
>>
>> Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity seeker.
>>[...]

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Also, how did krivit get hold of the email? Especially if he was
deliberately cced, Rossi will see it as coming from a snake's friend.
On Feb 15, 2012 7:33 AM, "Patrick Ellul"  wrote:

> Rossi will not flinch. He will ignore this request and dismiss it with
> "not worth the effort".
> On Feb 15, 2012 7:23 AM, "Jones Beene"  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Terry Blanton
>>
>> > Hmm Is this Margot and her sister, with Rossi's cash, ready and
>> waiting ???
>>
>> http://images.smh.com.au/2010/08/11/1771929/smith420-420x0.jpg
>>
>>
>> Outstanding!
>>
>> "Constant Growth = Doom"  ?!?
>>
>> From the looks of it constant growth will equal BOOM!
>>
>>
>>
>> Yep, or stated another way ... why is Dick smilin'?
>>
>> Heck, physics or EE could be a mistake for geeks in Oz these days.
>> Lingerie
>> engineering looks to be where it's happ'ning.
>>
>> Can you imagine the stress loading ... maybe in Smith's dimensional
>> analysis, it's measured in "Wilberforce"?
>>
>> http://dicksmithpopulation.com/wilberforce-award/
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Andre Blum]

My bet is he will just refuse.

This whole thing is played on Rossi's terms. He will not allow it to be 
played on those of others. Unless he really needs the money. Or when it 
(coincidentally?) fits perfectly with his own terms.


So, normally, I would expect his reaction to be: "I've said before that 
I will do no more independent tests. Just like other citizens you will 
have to wait to collect your e-Cat from the production line in a year or 
so, then we will see who was right".


Andre


On 02/14/2012 04:12 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:
I have confessed more times that I cannot understand and/or predict 
Rossi's reactions (his own, not those from the core of the E-cat)
In this case my bet is that now he will ask more money, 2 or 3 million 
US$ for a 'perfect" test.

Let's see!
Peter

On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 10:00 PM, <mailto:pagnu...@htdconnect.com>> wrote:



Better still, if Smith is convinced the e-cat is not real, why not
pledge
the $1M to a worthy cause if it's not verified by end of 2012?
- or offer bets through an on-line site like intrade.com
<http://intrade.com>?

Otherwise, it's hard to be sure he's not a flamboyant publicity
seeker.

>
> An X-Prize would be an excellent idea.  I hope that Mr. Smith
gives this
> concept serious consideration.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robert Lynn mailto:robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com>>
    > To: vortex-l mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com>>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 2:20 pm
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
>
>
> The media are going to love this, and they will be very damning
if Rossi
> doesn't accept.
>
>
> If he is prepared to put such money on the line it would be nice
if Smith
> opened this up to all-comers, like an X-Prize, eg for a consistently
> replicable cold fusion reaction with a gain of 5-10 and power
output >1kW.
>
>
> On 14 February 2012 18:50, Alan J Fletcher mailto:a...@well.com>> wrote:
>
>
> At 08:14 AM 2/14/2012, Chemical Engineer wrote:
>
> Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo
>
>
>
>
> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to
repeat the
> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT
unit had an
> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy
> nuclear reactions).
>
> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly,
I suggest
> we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they
attended
> the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be
happy to
> cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to
attend the
> repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the wires
(because, as
> you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been
> misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation
to both
> the heated water and the steam.
>
>
>
> I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a
period of
> more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of
approximately ten
> times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be
happy if
> the demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the
USD1,000,000 were
> reduced to a five-hour period and with a power multiplication
ratio of at
> least eight times. This will make it very much easier for you to
qualify
> for the USD1,000,000,  As far as I am concerned, eight times’ power
> multiplication through LENRs will solve the world’s power
problems for
> the future.
>
>
>
> I don't know why he wants to go back to March 29, and not, for
example,
> the Oct 5 (was it?) Heat Exchanger version, and to use steam
rather than
> water.
> Also, Rossi only guarantees COP=6, not 8.
>
> K&E would be fine to supervise ... but I think I'd go with
recommendations
> from Jed (ISTR) to hire an HVAC company to certify the tests with
> callibrated equipment, etc etc.
>
>
>
>
>
>





--
Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Guenter Wildgruber]

reading the last 50 posts or so,

could we just calm down a bit, an not comment on every piece of junk, anyone 
has been fishing out of the river of possibilities, while waiting for the big 
catch, or Godot, or whatever.

Wait a week, then another one.

As long as I can remember, the clock was 5 before 12.
Either ist is very slow, or is defective.

Maybe we have the power to make it going, by shaking it via the chattersphere, 
but, well. ...

Guenter



>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jed Rothwell]

I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer.

If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, 
and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is 
irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes 
his plans radically.


One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He 
will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not 
allow E&K to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to 
use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that.


In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he 
has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease.


I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and 
get the money & recognition he deserves.


- Jed

RE: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Craig Brown]

Hehe..gotta love RossiArchibald Fields
February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
Dick Smith Offer
Dear Andrea,
Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you 
offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully 
repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to 
accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you 
with easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline 
this offer?
Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields
Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 
million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that
 gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our 
Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for 
this clownery.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
From: Jed Rothwell <jedrothw...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am
To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" <vortex-l@eskimo.com>

I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer.

If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests, 
and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is 
irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes 
his plans radically.

One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He 
will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not 
allow E&K to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to 
use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do that.

In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he 
has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease.

I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and 
get the money & recognition he deserves.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Andre Blum]

Rossi's answer

Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM 



Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 
million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that 
gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial 
guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants 
they choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our 
E-CATS will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to 
buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why 
waste money? I do not need his money.

Warm Regards,
A.R.



Andre

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-02-15 00:46, Jed Rothwell wrote:

I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer.


Yep:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580&cpage=3#comment-185047


Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM

Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1 million 
to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that gives him all 
the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial guarantees. Our plants 
Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they choose. I have not time at 
all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS will be in the market, this 
“millionaire” will have the chance to buy for few hundred dollars an E-Cat and 
test it as he wants, so why waste money? I do not need his money.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


Be warned that he might be still editing his message on JONP. The 
notification in my RSS feeds had a different text.


Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Daniel Rocha]

Brilliant  answer!

2012/2/14 Craig Brown 

> Hehe..gotta love Rossi
>
>
> Archibald Fields
>
> February 14th, 2012 at 5:57 PM
> Dick Smith Offer
> Dear Andrea,
> Australian millionaire Dick Smith has written an open letter to you
> offering more than $1,000,000 unconditionally if you can successfully
> repeat March 29 demo. This is easy money and you have till 20 Feb to
> accept. Kullander and Essen can be validators. This will provide you with
> easy and much needed funding. What good reason is there to decline this
> offer?
> Yours Faithfully, Archibald Fields
>
> Andrea Rossi
>
> February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
> Dear Archibald Fields:
> This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1
> million to’ spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a refilar contract, that
> gives him all the necessary guarantee. Our plants Are tester by Our
> Customers and the Consultants they chiose. I have not time at all for this
> clownery.
> Warm Regards,
> A.R.
>
>  -------- Original Message 
> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?
> From: Jed Rothwell 
> Date: Wed, February 15, 2012 9:46 am
> To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" 
>
> I predict that Rossi will ignore this offer.
>
> If I were him, I would accept it. But he has said he will do no tests,
> and he can be very stubborn. For some reason the decision is
> irrevocable. This is odd because he often changes his mind and changes
> his plans radically.
>
> One reason he will not allow tests is because he is a control freak. He
> will not allow other people unimpeded access to the cells. He will not
> allow E&K to decide exactly how to do the test or what instruments to
> use. He has given over complete control on rare occasions. He hates do
> that.
>
> In some ways he is enlightened and doing a good job. In other ways, he
> has a full-blown, terminal case of the Inventor's Disease.
>
> I hope that in a few years, he can reach a reconciliation Defkalion and
> get the money & recognition he deserves.
>
> - Jed
>
>


-- 
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Akira Shirakawa]

On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote:

Rossi's answer

Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM


Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie.


Please note: "clownerie" = travesty

Cheers,
S.A.

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Patrick Ellul]

Just for the record, this is Rossi's updated response:

Andrea Rossi
February 14th, 2012 at 6:23
PM

Dear Archibald Fields:
This is a Clownerie. If this guy wants to test a 1 MW plant and has 1
million to spend he can buy a 1 MW plant, with a regular contract, that
gives him all the necessary guarantees and to us the logic financial
guarantees. Our plants Are tested by Our Customers and the Consultants they
choose. I have not time at all for this clownery. Besides: when Our E-CATS
will be in the market, this “millionaire” will have the chance to buy for
few hundred dollars an E-Cat and test it as he wants, so why waste money? I
do not need his money.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Akira Shirakawa
wrote:

> On 2012-02-15 00:56, Andre Blum wrote:
>
>> Rossi's answer
>>
>> Andrea Rossi
>> February 14th, 2012 at 6:23 PM
>> > cpage=3#comment-185047
>> >
>>
>>
>> Dear Archibald Fields:
>> This is a Clownerie.
>>
>
> Please note: "clownerie" = travesty
>
> Cheers,
> S.A.
>
>


-- 
Patrick

www.tRacePerfect.com
The daily puzzle everyone can finish but not everyone can perfect!
The quickest puzzle ever!

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Gigi DiMarco]

I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from
Italian, than in the last 5 centuries.
Clownerie has been translated by Akira  into travesty. Clownerie is another
Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think
the right path is clown ==> pagliaccio ==> pagliacciata (the act of being a
clown) ==> clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery
(clowning, silly behaviour)

2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer 

>   
>  *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat 
> Demo*
>
> by *Steven B. Krivit* 
>
> *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
> *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
> *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for
> Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT
>
> *To: Andrea Rossi**
> From: Dick Smith*
>
> Dear Mr Rossi
>
> *Re:  USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration*
>
> Dick Smith is my name.  I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia.
> Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia
> - see *HERE* .
>
> Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy
> Trust.  Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you.   Mr Millin
> communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how
> it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems.  Mr Millin said
> that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an
> agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention.
>
> After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided
> that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed.
>
> There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin
> claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence
> that this is not the case.
>
> At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue
> me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my
> AUD200,000.
>
> As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I
> have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would
> like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29,
> 2011 demonstration.
>
> One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be
> held in an escrow account if you desire.  I do not want to know how the
> unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales.  My
> satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then
> some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate
> change – will be solved.
>
> I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated
>  many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any
> immediate results.  We have not complained about this.
>
> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear
> reactions).
>
> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest
> we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended
> the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to cover
> any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of
> the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as you know,
> there have been claims that the wiring may have been misconnected) and also
> the power output of the unit in relation to both the heated water and the
> steam.
>
> I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to
> whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an
> irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the
> demonstration is successfully completed.  If Kullander and Essen are not
> available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar
> expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges.  I am sure we can
> come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent.  It would
> also be necessary to have a third person - who you and I can agree on - to
> assist with the type of measuring equipment and its accuracy so there are
> no doubts that the scientific community will accept the results.
>
> I understand the 29 March 2011 demonstration took place over a period of
> more than six hours and showed a power multiplication of approximately ten
> times.  To make the demonstration test even fairer, I would be happy if the
> demonstration to qualify for the assignment of the USD1,000,000 were
> reduced to a fi

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Peter Gluck]

I disagree. I have already told that CLOWN for the US people is an evil
person and Rossi is using this meaning. Have seen some US movies re clowns
who were very bad people, sadistic.
Pagliacci has a more tragic conotation.
The second greatest enemy of Rossi is a snake.
The third is a clown.
The first, worst enemy is easy to guess.
Peter

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Gigi DiMarco  wrote:

> I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from
> Italian, than in the last 5 centuries.
> Clownerie has been translated by Akira  into travesty. Clownerie is
> another Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain
> I think the right path is clown ==> pagliaccio ==> pagliacciata (the act of
> being a clown) ==> clownerie; I think it should be translated into
> buffoonery (clowning, silly behaviour)
>
>
> 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer 
>
>>   
>>  *Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat 
>> Demo*
>>
>> by *Steven B. Krivit* 
>>
>> *From:* Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
>> *To:* Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
>> *Subject:* from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for
>> Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT
>>
>> *To: Andrea Rossi**
>> From: Dick Smith*
>>
>> Dear Mr Rossi
>>
>> *Re:  USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration*
>>
>> Dick Smith is my name.  I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia.
>> Possibly the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia
>> - see *HERE* 
>> .
>>
>> Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy
>> Trust.  Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you.   Mr Millin
>> communicated the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how
>> it had the potential to solve the world’s energy problems.  Mr Millin said
>> that he had your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an
>> agreement for the Australian “rights” to your invention.
>>
>> After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided
>> that evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed.
>>
>> There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin
>> claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence
>> that this is not the case.
>>
>> At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to
>> sue me for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending
>> him my AUD200,000.
>>
>> As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I
>> have determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would
>> like to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29,
>> 2011 demonstration.
>>
>> One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will
>> be held in an escrow account if you desire.  I do not want to know how the
>> unit operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales.  My
>> satisfaction will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then
>> some of the world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate
>> change – will be solved.
>>
>> I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated
>>  many millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any
>> immediate results.  We have not complained about this.
>>
>> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the
>> March 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an
>> output power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear
>> reactions).
>>
>> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I
>> suggest we use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they
>> attended the March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy
>> to cover any reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the
>> repeat of the demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as
>> you know, there have been claims that the wiring may have been
>> misconnected) and also the power output of the unit in relation to both the
>> heated water and the steam.
>>
>> I would be happy, with Kullander and Essen as the sole judges as to
>> whether the unit has the power output you have claimed, to hand you an
>> irrevocable Bank cheque for USD1,000,000 made out in your name if the
>> demonstration is successfully completed.  If Kullander and Essen are not
>> available, I am happy to agree with you on two other individuals of similar
>> expertise to attend the new demonstration as the judges.  I am sure we can
>> come to an agreement as to who would be suitable and independent.  It would
>> also be necessary to have a third perso

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jarold McWilliams]

There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer.  I was 
sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more towards him being a 
fraud.  It is a million dollars for a simple test.  It would be a much better 
use of his time than writing about snakes and clowns on his blog.  Rossi also 
wants people to buy the e-cat before they test it.  Does anyone see the problem 
with that?  With 13 sales, he supposedly has $26 million.  He had to sell his 
house to have enough money for the e-cat.  Unless he is getting a large cash 
infusion from his secret partners, he could easily use a million dollars.  He 
still needs to run a lot more public tests if he expects to sell a million 
e-cats.  I don't know why he'd trust customers to test it with their protocols, 
but not an independent test with testing procedures accepted by him.  This 
makes no sense whatsoever.  What if the customer buys it, steals his ideas, and 
makes their own e-cat to run Rossi out of business?  And what happened to his 1 
MW customer who wasn't supposed to be secret.  Shouldn't we have heard 
something about that by now?  Rossi is looking more like a fraud everyday, and 
what does that say about Defkalion who is only in the LENR business because of 
Rossi.  If no valid tests are performed by either group by March 31, this whole 
thing is most likely a fraud.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 4:34 AM, Gigi DiMarco wrote:

> I think Rossi is adding to English more words, coming in some sense from 
> Italian, than in the last 5 centuries.
> Clownerie has been translated by Akira  into travesty. Clownerie is another 
> Rossi's invention, if I can imagine what take places into his brain I think 
> the right path is clown ==> pagliaccio ==> pagliacciata (the act of being a 
> clown) ==> clownerie; I think it should be translated into buffoonery 
> (clowning, silly behaviour)
> 
> 2012/2/14 Chemical Engineer 
> 
> 
> Smith Offers $1 Million Prize for Successful E-Cat Demo
> by Steven B. Krivit
> 
> From: Margot Egan [on behalf of Dick Smith]
> Sent: Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:51 PM
> To: Andrea Rossi Re. E-CAT
> Subject: from Dick Smith in Australia Re. U.S. One Million Dollars for 
> Successful Re-Testing of E-CAT
> 
> To: Andrea Rossi
> From: Dick Smith
> 
> Dear Mr Rossi
> 
> Re:  USD1,000,000 for Successful Repeat of E-CAT Demonstration
> 
> Dick Smith is my name.  I am writing to you from Sydney, Australia.  Possibly 
> the best information in relation to my background is on Wikipedia - see HERE.
> 
> Some time ago I was contacted by Mr Sol Millin of the Byron New Energy Trust. 
>  Mr Millin has had extensive communication with you.   Mr Millin communicated 
> the advantages of your ECAT unit in relation to energy and how it had the 
> potential to solve the world’s energy problems.  Mr Millin said that he had 
> your authority to act on your behalf in relation to an agreement for the 
> Australian “rights” to your invention.
> 
> After some discussion, I agreed that I would invest AUD200,000 provided that 
> evidence could be shown that the unit actually worked as claimed.
> 
> There has been a lot of to’ing-and-fro’ing since then, with Mr Millin 
> claiming that he has provided me with the evidence and with my insistence 
> that this is not the case.
> 
> At one stage Mr Millin even sent me an email (attached) threatening to sue me 
> for one-hundred-million-dollars if I did not proceed with sending him my 
> AUD200,000.
> 
> As Mr Millin and I do not seem to be getting anywhere on this issue, I have 
> determined a way that we could possibly break this nexus, i.e. I would like 
> to offer you USD1,000,000 for a successful repeat of the March 29, 2011 
> demonstration.
> 
> One million US dollars will be made out to you as a Bank cheque or will be 
> held in an escrow account if you desire.  I do not want to know how the unit 
> operates, nor to have a share in the profits from any sales.  My satisfaction 
> will come from knowing that if the unit is successful, then some of the 
> world’s greatest problems – especially in relation to climate change – will 
> be solved.
> 
> I point out that over the last few decades my wife and I have donated  many 
> millions of dollars to scientific research, much of it without any immediate 
> results.  We have not complained about this.
> 
> My offer is very simple, which I will restate:  I ask you to repeat the March 
> 29, 2011 demonstration purported to show that your E-CAT unit had an output 
> power of many times the input power through LENR (low energy nuclear 
> reactions).
> 
> As the sole judges as to whether this can be repeated correctly, I suggest we 
> use the two Swedish scientists, Kullander and Essen, as they attended the 
> March 2011 demonstration and wrote a report.  I would be happy to cover any 
> reasonable cost of having them flying to Italy to attend the repeat of the 
> demonstration.  They can then check the wires (because, as you know, there 
> have been claims that

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

>From Jarold:

> There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer.
> I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more
> towards him being a fraud.

...

Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge.
However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, "us" who
reside in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are
legitimate. All that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and
feeding of his mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion
dollar question that we should be trying to get a better handle on.



As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no
more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to
change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his
best interests to do so.



There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals,
including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not
necessarily in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular
moment in time that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is
that his carefully guarded business interests believe that his eCats are
for real - by allowing THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they
need to do on his eCats in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world,
his critics, as well as potential competition don't think he eCats are for
real, all to the better.



Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he
behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it!



All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi.



Get over it.


Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jarold McWilliams]

What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money?  
Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1 MW 
plant?  You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his 
technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business?  Dick Smith is just another 
customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want.  Rossi is 
making pure profit with just a simple test.  Rossi should spend a little less 
time on blogging and calling people snakes when he could be making money with 
business.  Rossi said he didn't care if the results are published to the 
public.  Making a million e-cats is going to take a lot of money.  Where is he 
getting his money from?  Nothing he does makes any sense, unless he's an idiot 
who stumbled upon cold fusion or he is a fraud.  Almost everything has been 
Rossi said, and most of what Rossi said has been lies.  Why is there any reason 
to believe anything he says?  I was willing to wait until March 31 before I 
decided if Rossi was a fraud or not, but right now I'm leaning heavily towards 
being a fraud because of the lies he has told.  I am under no obligation to 
believe Rossi's claims if he won't allow a legitimate test that benefits him 
greatly.  Again, what happened to the non-secretive 1 MW customer?  Rossi said 
it would take about 3 months for that sale right after his October 28th 
demonstration.  It has been over 3 months and there is no news at all.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 10:05 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

> From Jarold:
> 
> > There is absolutely no excuse why Rossi wouldn't accept this offer. 
> > I was sitting on the fence with Rossi, but now I'm leaning more
> > towards him being a fraud. 
> 
> ...
> 
> Many here (including myself) wish that Rossi would accept the challenge. 
> However, Rossi is under no obligation to prove to any of us, "us" who reside 
> in the honorable peanut gallery, that his eCat claims are legitimate. All 
> that seems matters to Rossi is the immediate care and feeding of his 
> mysterious business relationships. THAT is the 64 trillion dollar question 
> that we should be trying to get a better handle on.
>  
> As Jed as already stated, Rossi has repeatedly stated that there will be no 
> more public demonstrations or tests! ... that is, unless Rossi decides to 
> change his mind, which he could do on a dime if he feels it would be in his 
> best interests to do so. 
>  
> There have also been plenty of reasons brought forth from individuals, 
> including McKubre pertaining to why Rossi seems to feel it is not necessarily 
> in his best interest to prove to the world at this particular moment in time 
> that his eCats are for real. All that matters to Rossi is that his carefully 
> guarded business interests believe that his eCats are for real - by allowing 
> THEM to perform all the necessary due diligence they need to do on his eCats 
> in private. Meanwhile, if the rest of the world, his critics, as well as 
> potential competition don't think he eCats are for real, all to the better.
>  
> Many fret about Rossi's behavior. They just can't seem to understand why he 
> behaves in the quirky manner that he does. They just don't like it!
>  
> All I can say is: expect more of the same from Rossi.
>  
> Get over it.
> 
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jed Rothwell]

Jarold McWilliams  wrote:

What was the point in the 1 MW sales then if he didn't need the money?
>  Couldn't he have partnered with someone without the wasted time on the 1
> MW plant?  You really don't think his customers are reverse engineering his
> technology if it is a 64 trillion dollar business?  Dick Smith is just
> another customer and Rossi said customers can run whatever tests they want.
>  Rossi is making pure profit with just a simple test.
>

I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith
myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he
is not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more
believable.

Anyway, don't expect rhyme or reason from Rossi. That is not his strong
suit.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

Jarold,

You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior.
Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the
opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the
fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would
approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what
comes of it. You may get some responses.

Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I
realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass
a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said
it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the
opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be
wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of
experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them
seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is
authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can
live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative
conclusions could eventually be proven wrong.

You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your
own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you
seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited
speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my
previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it.

Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
eventually be revealed.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Terry Blanton]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:15 PM, Jed Rothwell  wrote:

> I suppose Rossi thinks Smith is a faker. I have some doubts about Smith
> myself. Usually, when someone offers you $1 million just to do a test, he is
> not serious. If he had offered $50,000 or $100,000 it would be more
> believable.

I agree, Jed.  Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick
Smith as from James Randi.

T

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jed Rothwell]

Terry Blanton  wrote:


> I agree, Jed.  Rossi has about as much chance of collecting from Dick
> Smith as from James Randi.
>

Yes!!

Randi is hysterical. If this works out and Rossi becomes famous, he should
send Randi an invoice. Just for the fun of it. Heck, *I'll* send him one.

- Jed

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Jarold McWilliams]

Rossi is either ignorant, or he is a blatant liar.  Either way, it doesn't look 
good.  Now, that doesn't mean he doesn't have an LENR device, but he loses all 
credibility from me.  It would be no different if I claimed to have a working 
cold fusion device and am working with a secret customer.  What happened to the 
customer who wasn't secretive?  He said within 3 months over 3 months ago, and 
there is no new information.
On Feb 15, 2012, at 1:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson wrote:

> Jarold,
> 
> You seem to have issues with Rossi's quirky unpredictable behavior.
> Many do. You are in good company. If you are leaning towards the
> opinion that Rossi is a fraud you can at least feel assured of the
> fact that your opinion is shared by many. I'm sure Krivit would
> approve. Why don't you post your concerns over at NET and see what
> comes of it. You may get some responses.
> 
> Quite frankly, after everything I've heard, both pro and con, I
> realize I still don't know enough about Rossi to feel like I can pass
> a definitive conclusion on the matter, for or against. With that said
> it's true that, at least for now, I'm still leaning towards the
> opinion that Rossi and his eCats aren't fraudulent, but I could be
> wrong. The best I can do for now is to consider the conclusions of
> experts who are far more knowledgeable on Rossi than I. Many of them
> seem convinced that his eCat technology, flawed it may be, is
> authentic. Therefore, until further developments are forthcoming I can
> live with my uncertainty. I can live with the fact that my tentative
> conclusions could eventually be proven wrong.
> 
> You, on the other hand, seem to be having difficulty living with your
> own uncertainty when it comes to passing judgment on Rossi. IMHO, you
> seem to have entrapped yourself within an endless maze of unrequited
> speculation. It will get you nowhere. That's why I suggested in my
> previous post that you might try to ease up and: Get over it.
> 
> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
> eventually be revealed.
> 
> Regards
> Steven Vincent Johnson
> www.OrionWorks.com
> www.zazzle.com/orionworks
> 
> 

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Harry Veeder]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
> eventually be revealed.
>
>
You don't think they have already been revealed?
Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his
business venture will fail.


Harry

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Michele Comitini]

Follows true Rossi's speech in capital letters.  Who are the investors?

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=580&cpage=3#comment-185350

Andrea Rossi
February 15th, 2012 at 12:23 PM

I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1
MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS
WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO
ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL:
1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY
LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE
ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT
OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE
DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS
ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS
THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE
TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS.
WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC
OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS.
2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO
NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN
WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE
COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT
WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW
TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION
LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO
COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN
YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE.
I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND
THE WANNABE COMPETITORS.
WARM REGARDS,
ANDREA ROSSI

---

mic


2012/2/15 Harry Veeder :
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 2:32 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
>> eventually be revealed.
>>
>
> You don't think they have already been revealed?
> Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his
> business venture will fail.
>
>
> Harry

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson]

>From Harry:

>> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
>> eventually be revealed.
>
> You don't think they have already been revealed?

No.

All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures.
While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is
probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually
in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed
behind closed doors.

> Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his
> business venture will fail.

More endless speculation.

Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Harry Veeder]

On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 5:19 PM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson <
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From Harry:
>
> >> Rest assured. Rossi's true colors, whether they be pro or con, will
> >> eventually be revealed.
> >
> > You don't think they have already been revealed?
>
> No.
>
> All I've seen is endless speculation on Rossi's business ventures.
> While there has been plenty of armchair criticism, (some of which is
> probably valid) the fact of the matter is that none of us are actually
> in Rossi's shoes. Who among us are privy to what's being discussed
> behind closed doors.
>
>
 Indeed I wear my own shoes, and I don't care what my peers think of my
shoes.

> > Unless he suddenly discovers the value of collaboration I expect his
> > business venture will fail.
>
> More endless speculation.
>
>

Its *my* expectation. Just as Rossi doesn't owe us a professionally
conducted test, I don't owe Rossi endless patience.
If am wrong I will be happy to eat crow, because the outcome is more
important than what my peers think of me.

Harry

>
>
>
>

Re: [Vo]:Do you think Rossi will still be too busy?

[Eric Walker]

Two points to add to what has already been said in connection with the
initial item in Rossi's statement, below -- First, the English of the
response is indeed more "lucid" than in the past.  It sounds like parts of
the statement have been copied and pasted from a lawyer's email.  Second,
it's possible that Rossi doesn't have a choice as to whether to accept Smith's
challenge, even if he wanted to, which is what he seems to be implying here.

Eric



> I AM RECEIVENG EMAILS REGARDING: 1- THE “MILLIONAIRE” WHO OFFERS 1
> MILLION FOR A TEST AND 2- WHAT WE THINK OF SOME WANNABE COMPETITORS
> WHO WILL MAKE OTHER TESTS ON A DEVICE OF THEM: I HAVE NOT TIME TO
> ANSWER SINGULARLY, SO HERE IS THE FINAL ANSWER VALID FOR ALL:
> 1- MILLIONAIRE TEST: I AM THE CEO OF LEONARDO CORPORATION AND RECENTLY
> LEONARDO CORPORATION BECAME PROPERTY OF A TRUST OF INVESTORS TO THE
> ATTORNEYS OF WHICH I HAVE TO ANSWER. THIS, COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT
> OUR 1 MW PLANTS HAVE BEEN SOLD TO AN ENTITY THAT WANTS NOT TO BE
> DISCLOSED (WE ARE UNDER NDA) FORBIDS ME TO TAKE DECISIONS ABOUT THIS
> ISSUE WITHOUT THE PERMISSIONS OF THE ATTORNEYS; THE OPINION OF THEM IS
> THAT THIS STUNT IS NOT SERIOUS AND THAT OUR TECHNOLOGY DOES NOT HAVE
> TO BE PROVEN BY A STUNT, BUT BY A REGULAR OPERATION BY THE CUSTOMERS.
> WE HAVE TO WORK ON MANUFACTURING LINES TO MAKE RELIABLE AND ECONOMIC
> OUR PRODUCTS, NOT TO MAKE SHOWS.
> 2- COMPETITORS: WE NEVER COMMENT ON OUR COMPETITORS, BUT STILL WE DO
> NOT SEE ANY COMPETITOR ON THE MARKET AND NEITHER ON THE HORIZON. WHEN
> WE WILL FIND PRODUCTS WHICH WILL COMPETE WITH OURS, THEN WE WILL HAVE
> COMPETITORS, BUT NOW IT IS NOT THE CASE. I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT
> WITH OUR PRICES NOBODY WILL BE ABLE TO COMPETE, ALSO FOR THE NEW
> TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE DEVELOPED FOR THE E-CATS AND FOR THE PRODUCTION
> LINE WE ARE MAKING. BY THE WAY: IF SOME COMPETITOR WILL BE ABLE TO
> COPY OUR TECH AND MAKE SOMETHING REALLY WORKING ( WHICH DIDN’T HAPPEN
> YET) OUR ATTORNEYS WILL WORK ON THE CASE.
> I WILL NOT ANSWER TO FURTHER QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MILLIONAIRE AND
> THE WANNABE COMPETITORS.
> WARM REGARDS,
> ANDREA ROSSI
>