Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
I think the hydride loads MORE hydrogen from the supply when it is heated by allowing the gas population to migrate into regions where vacuum wavelengths are suppressed. In these regions the gas contracts to the exotic forms that are the subject of all these discussions and theories. I won't go so far as to say that this type of pressurized loading is, by itself, in conflict with COE since it takes heat and pressure to achieve the effect but once achieved the gas continues to move between different regions changing freely to different exotic/fractional/relativistic values. If Naudt's is correct about the gas being relativistic then I posit the contraction we observe is due to negative gravity [negative equivalent acceleration] .. a concept hard to imagine because we think of dx/dt only in terms of a constant unit of time where 0 dt is the absolute minimum, I am positing that suppression of vacuum wavelengths allows us to reduce the unit of time below what we presently accept as the zero value for a stationary inertial frame. I predict that the time unit can be suppressed enough in these Casimir regions to account for the reports of anomalous half life decay. I believe the local perspective of a hydrino or fractional hydrogen wrt to space time outside the lattice is consistent with the same perspective a stationary observer on earth would have for a near C object but using negative acceleration/suppression can achieve the effect without any spatial dx. I think confusion will continue to reign over this field because of our definitions of time and temperature which ignore relativistic effects. I think the hydrino locally perceives negative equivalent acceleration as intense gravity in a direction that appears normal local to it's inertial frame but which cause the object to shrink from our perspective - I suspect the walls of the confinement shrink away as the gas atoms suddenly see a totally empty region of space to one side of them while, to the other, the previously inaccessible bottom of the cavity suddenly appears large enough for them to continue downward between walls that should be otherwise too small for them to fit between. I think this is a new form of Lorentzian contraction on the nano scale powered by vacuum suppression instead of dx and I believe the normal contraction along a single axis is still in effect except it is only available to the hydrino while our perspective of the hydrino is equivalent to that of the near C Paradox Twin of a universe suddenly accelerated greatly and shrunken behind us as we travel a hypotenuse toward C. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 6:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it. In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:25:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] The key parameters in this exercise are the volume of the hydrogen envelope and the maximum pressure of hydrogen in that envelope. If we were to assume that the hydride replenished the envelope as the pressure decreased due to transmutation to keep the pressure constant, then that would be a different story. That assumption would be the same as connecting the envelope to a hydrogen tank with a pressure regulator attached. ...but that's exactly why the Hydride is present! If the only Hydrogen used was what was in the tank, then it could just be filled from a cylinder at the start and closed off, and the Hydride would not be needed at all. Actually, it's slightly more complicated. The Hydrogen supply is most likely regulated during the course of the experiment by deliberately controlling the temperature of the Hydride. This effectively has the same effect as the gas pedal in a car. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
You make an excellent point that we have not considered. When hydrogen is initially desorbed form the hydride, it will change into exotic forms such as Rydberg crystals. Once formed, these new hydrogen molecular configurations will no by absorbed back into the hydride. Desorption of hydrogen from a hydride may be a one way street. This means that any type of hydrogen manipulation via temperature control will not affect the reaction strength. I believe that Rossi has not solved his control problems. He needs another control parameter other than temperature to control the hot cat. The results from the six mouth test that we are all waiting for will tell the tale on this point. The Hot-Cat may produce excess heat but might tend to meltdown on occasion. On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 8:00 AM, Roarty, Francis X francis.x.roa...@lmco.com wrote: I think the hydride loads MORE hydrogen from the supply when it is heated by allowing the gas population to migrate into regions where vacuum wavelengths are suppressed. In these regions the gas contracts to the exotic forms that are the subject of all these discussions and theories. I won't go so far as to say that this type of pressurized loading is, by itself, in conflict with COE since it takes heat and pressure to achieve the effect but once achieved the gas continues to move between different regions changing freely to different exotic/fractional/relativistic values. If Naudt's is correct about the gas being relativistic then I posit the contraction we observe is due to negative gravity [negative equivalent acceleration] .. a concept hard to imagine because we think of dx/dt only in terms of a constant unit of time where 0 dt is the absolute minimum, I am positing that suppression of vacuum wavelengths allows us to reduce the unit of time below what we presently accept as the zero value for a stationary inertial frame. I predict that the time unit can be suppressed enough in these Casimir regions to account for the reports of anomalous half life decay. I believe the local perspective of a hydrino or fractional hydrogen wrt to space time outside the lattice is consistent with the same perspective a stationary observer on earth would have for a near C object but using negative acceleration/suppression can achieve the effect without any spatial dx. I think confusion will continue to reign over this field because of our definitions of time and temperature which ignore relativistic effects. I think the hydrino locally perceives negative equivalent acceleration as intense gravity in a direction that appears normal local to it's inertial frame but which cause the object to shrink from our perspective - I suspect the walls of the confinement shrink away as the gas atoms suddenly see a totally empty region of space to one side of them while, to the other, the previously inaccessible bottom of the cavity suddenly appears large enough for them to continue downward between walls that should be otherwise too small for them to fit between. I think this is a new form of Lorentzian contraction on the nano scale powered by vacuum suppression instead of dx and I believe the normal contraction along a single axis is still in effect except it is only available to the hydrino while our perspective of the hydrino is equivalent to that of the near C Paradox Twin of a universe suddenly accelerated greatly and shrunken behind us as we travel a hypotenuse toward C. Fran -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com [mailto:mix...@bigpond.com] Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 6:18 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it. In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:25:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] The key parameters in this exercise are the volume of the hydrogen envelope and the maximum pressure of hydrogen in that envelope. If we were to assume that the hydride replenished the envelope as the pressure decreased due to transmutation to keep the pressure constant, then that would be a different story. That assumption would be the same as connecting the envelope to a hydrogen tank with a pressure regulator attached. ...but that's exactly why the Hydride is present! If the only Hydrogen used was what was in the tank, then it could just be filled from a cylinder at the start and closed off, and the Hydride would not be needed at all. Actually, it's slightly more complicated. The Hydrogen supply is most likely regulated during the course of the experiment by deliberately controlling the temperature of the Hydride. This effectively has the same effect as the gas pedal in a car. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. ***Thanks, Jones. Until now I found no better explanation for the swedish scientists having such a long delay; it was either incompetence or greed. Now I see that it can be bewilderment. However, they knew going in that there could be anomalous results, so they have betrayed their first responsibility of simply reporting the results. No one asked them for a theory to explain it; after all, no one has been able to do so for 25 years and for them to think they could do it in a matter of months is the height of hubris.
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
These PhD dudes should have simply settled on Nuclear as the reaction and let the implications of zero point energy miracles become someone else's problem. They simply report that at the VERY LEAST it is a NUKE phenomenom. If it's so far removed from natural reality that it can only be explained in terms of miracles ZPE, well, that's someone else's problem. The DUHH factor is incredibly high here. It leads one to suspect that these guys are engaging in insider trading on this information to the benefit of their friends family. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. Hmmm. Now where did I read that before? ;-) Hmm... Did you plant that particular thought into the collective unconscious?
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:25:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] The key parameters in this exercise are the volume of the hydrogen envelope and the maximum pressure of hydrogen in that envelope. If we were to assume that the hydride replenished the envelope as the pressure decreased due to transmutation to keep the pressure constant, then that would be a different story. That assumption would be the same as connecting the envelope to a hydrogen tank with a pressure regulator attached. ...but that's exactly why the Hydride is present! If the only Hydrogen used was what was in the tank, then it could just be filled from a cylinder at the start and closed off, and the Hydride would not be needed at all. Actually, it's slightly more complicated. The Hydrogen supply is most likely regulated during the course of the experiment by deliberately controlling the temperature of the Hydride. This effectively has the same effect as the gas pedal in a car. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In a system that uses only temperature as a control mechanism(Rossi), what the hydrogen system needs is negative feedback in the hydrogen system to counteract reactor meltdown. This might be provided through the use of a small internally sealed hydrogen storage tank controlled with a smart valve that opens when the temperature starts climbing above the maximum operating temperature of the reactor and releases hydrogen as the operating temperature cools. When the reactors' operating temperature cools, the tank would release the sequestered hydrogen back for hydride storage. What would be ideal is a mix of different types of hydride that did this balancing of hydrogen through temperature control using chemistry only. On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 18:25:22 -0400: Hi, [snip] The key parameters in this exercise are the volume of the hydrogen envelope and the maximum pressure of hydrogen in that envelope. If we were to assume that the hydride replenished the envelope as the pressure decreased due to transmutation to keep the pressure constant, then that would be a different story. That assumption would be the same as connecting the envelope to a hydrogen tank with a pressure regulator attached. ...but that's exactly why the Hydride is present! If the only Hydrogen used was what was in the tank, then it could just be filled from a cylinder at the start and closed off, and the Hydride would not be needed at all. Actually, it's slightly more complicated. The Hydrogen supply is most likely regulated during the course of the experiment by deliberately controlling the temperature of the Hydride. This effectively has the same effect as the gas pedal in a car. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:19:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] We don't know what the hydride is. The amount does not matter or the hydrogen density. The important characteristic of the hydride is the desorption/absorption behavior vis-à-*vis* the required temperature/pressure profile. If you are trying to calculate how much energy is released per Hydrogen atom in order to determine whether or not Hydrinos can do it, then you do need to know how much Hydrogen was available to the experiment. This is most easily determined by subtracting what is left at the end from what was available at the start, however an upper bound is placed on the amount of Hydrogen used by the total amount available in the Hydride at the start. If this was small enough it could immediately rule out Hydrino shrinkage as the sole source of energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:19:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] BTW, even if Hydrinos shrinkage is not the sole energy source, they may still be acting as catalysts for nuclear reactions. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
The key parameters in this exercise are the volume of the hydrogen envelope and the maximum pressure of hydrogen in that envelope. If we were to assume that the hydride replenished the envelope as the pressure decreased due to transmutation to keep the pressure constant, then that would be a different story. That assumption would be the same as connecting the envelope to a hydrogen tank with a pressure regulator attached. On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 5:28 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 13 Jul 2014 00:19:58 -0400: Hi, [snip] We don't know what the hydride is. The amount does not matter or the hydrogen density. The important characteristic of the hydride is the desorption/absorption behavior vis-à-*vis* the required temperature/pressure profile. If you are trying to calculate how much energy is released per Hydrogen atom in order to determine whether or not Hydrinos can do it, then you do need to know how much Hydrogen was available to the experiment. This is most easily determined by subtracting what is left at the end from what was available at the start, however an upper bound is placed on the amount of Hydrogen used by the total amount available in the Hydride at the start. If this was small enough it could immediately rule out Hydrino shrinkage as the sole source of energy. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:21:52 -0400: Hi, [snip] 2) Is there any hydride of another metal present (e.g. Lanthanum)? Yes Do we know how much H2 was stored in the Hydride? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
We don't know what the hydride is. The amount does not matter or the hydrogen density. The important characteristic of the hydride is the desorption/absorption behavior vis-à-*vis* the required temperature/pressure profile. On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 11:55 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 10 Jul 2014 01:21:52 -0400: Hi, [snip] 2) Is there any hydride of another metal present (e.g. Lanthanum)? Yes Do we know how much H2 was stored in the Hydride? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:17:03 -0400: Hi, [snip] I would guess 10 kilowatts per hour for the number of hours in the six month test. Was that a rate of acceleration or deceleration in the power production? ;) 4380 hours at 10 kilowatts/hour or 43800 kilowatt hours. or about 44 megawatt hours. kilowatt hours means kilowatts times hours it can't also be kilowatts/hour. The two are direct opposites. You are either multiplying by hours, or dividing by hours, it can't be both at the same time. Contrary to popular belief, kilowatt is NOT an abbreviation of kilowatt hours. Just to set things straight: A kilowatt (kW) is a unit of power, not energy. IOW it is the time based *rate* of energy consumption or production. E.g. how much energy is produced *per unit of time*. A kilowatt hour (kWh) is a unit of energy. So I assume you meant 10 kW for 6 months = 10 kW x 4383 hours = 43,830 kWh. The amount of hydrogen is fixed through the use of hydrides but the amount is unknown In that case, you can't possibly determine the energy release per Hydrogen atom, and hence you can't possibly state that Hydrinos are excluded as an explanation. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:34:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] The power density implied by a continuous 6 month test of Rossi's reactor tells me that the energy source that drives the Ni/H reactor must be nuclear and can not chemical. This excludes the hydrino mechanism from LENR. Do you know how much Hydrogen was used during the test, and what the total energy release was? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:28:32 -0700: Hi, [snip] However, if hydrogen was added continuously during the long run (as expected), then the amount consumed would tell us volumes about the nature of the reaction by knowing the thermal output per atom consumed. If it was in the range of 200 eV per atom of H2 then we are talking f/H reactions, and if it is MeV range and up, per atom consumed, then we are talking nuclear. We need to see these results, but according to the sparse record of the Hot-Cat, and the fixed amount of starting fuel - then the reaction is most likely neither LENR or the hydrino. In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. I agree. However lets see the numbers before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
Because the molecular mass of Hydrogen is 1gram/mole, there is 1 mole of hydrogen in 1 gram of hydrogen atoms. For every mole, there are 6.02*10^23 atoms so in 1 gram of hydrogen there are 6.02*10^23 hydrogen atoms (in scientific notation) this is equal to 6020 hydrogen atoms. If the gas envelop capacity of the reactor is one liter and is operating at a pressure of 3 bar then 1 mole of an ideal gas = 22.4 liters at one bar 1 mole of H2 = 2.016 grams 2.016 g / 22.4 liters= 0.09 g per liter at one bar At 3 bar, there is .27 g of hydrogen in the gas envelope The number of hydrogen atoms is therefore .27 g * 6020 hydrogen atoms/g = 16254000 hydrogen atoms more or less Please complete the Miles chemical energy calculation. On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 5:24 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 8 Jul 2014 16:28:32 -0700: Hi, [snip] However, if hydrogen was added continuously during the long run (as expected), then the amount consumed would tell us volumes about the nature of the reaction by knowing the thermal output per atom consumed. If it was in the range of 200 eV per atom of H2 then we are talking f/H reactions, and if it is MeV range and up, per atom consumed, then we are talking nuclear. We need to see these results, but according to the sparse record of the Hot-Cat, and the fixed amount of starting fuel - then the reaction is most likely neither LENR or the hydrino. In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. I agree. However lets see the numbers before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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In reply to Axil Axil's message of Wed, 9 Jul 2014 18:50:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] Because the molecular mass of Hydrogen is 1gram/mole, there is 1 mole of hydrogen in 1 gram of hydrogen atoms. For every mole, there are 6.02*10^23 atoms so in 1 gram of hydrogen there are 6.02*10^23 hydrogen atoms (in scientific notation) this is equal to 6020 hydrogen atoms. If the gas envelop capacity of the reactor is one liter and is operating at a pressure of 3 bar then 1 mole of an ideal gas = 22.4 liters at one bar 1 mole of H2 = 2.016 grams 2.016 g / 22.4 liters= 0.09 g per liter at one bar At 3 bar, there is .27 g of hydrogen in the gas envelope The number of hydrogen atoms is therefore .27 g * 6020 hydrogen atoms/g = 16254000 hydrogen atoms more or less Please complete the Miles chemical energy calculation. 1) Is gas in the envelope at the start the only source of Hydrogen, or is replaced from a bottle during the course of the experiment? 2) Is there any hydride of another metal present (e.g. Lanthanum)? 3) Was the Ni powder saturated with H during the initial pressurization? 4) Was any Hydrogen left in the envelope after the experiment? BTW if the actual amount of Hydrogen used is as you stated, then the energy release / H atom for 43000 kWh is about 6 MeV / H atom, which would obviously be nuclear in origin. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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1) Is gas in the envelope at the start the only source of Hydrogen, Yes, the reactor may be subject to vacuum to remove air before the start of operation. If the envelope is initialized with hydrogen from a tank, the hydride will take the pressure up too high upon heating. The initialization/shutdown cycle is controlled through heating and cooling only. No hydrogen manipulation is required. or replaced from a bottle during the course of the experiment? No replacement. This is to keep the init/shutdown process systemic in terms of pressure. 2) Is there any hydride of another metal present (e.g. Lanthanum)? Yes 3) Was the Ni powder saturated with H during the initial pressurization? No. Pressurization occurs as the hydride heats and releases hydrogen to the envelope. I speculate that the envelope is subject to a vacuum before operations. 4) Was any Hydrogen left in the envelope after the experiment? The hydrogen is reabsorbed by the hydride upon cooling of the reactor. How hydrogen is handled throughout the test will be of great interest when the test procedure is released. But it is safe to say, to make the reactor idiot proof, and failsafe, no hydrogen manipulation is permitted in commercial operations. As a design objective, the reactor must be a sealed unit to protect its intellectual content.
Re: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:34:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] The power density implied by a continuous 6 month test of Rossi's reactor tells me that the energy source that drives the Ni/H reactor must be nuclear and can not chemical. This excludes the hydrino mechanism from LENR. Do you know how much Hydrogen was used during the test, and what the total energy release was? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
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I would guess 10 kilowatts per hour for the number of hours in the six month test. 4380 hours at 10 kilowatts/hour or 43800 kilowatt hours. or about 44 megawatt hours. The amount of hydrogen is fixed through the use of hydrides but the amount is unknown On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 6:02 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 7 Jul 2014 20:34:49 -0400: Hi, [snip] The power density implied by a continuous 6 month test of Rossi's reactor tells me that the energy source that drives the Ni/H reactor must be nuclear and can not chemical. This excludes the hydrino mechanism from LENR. Do you know how much Hydrogen was used during the test, and what the total energy release was? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html
RE: [Vo]:hydrinos can't do it.
-Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com AA: The power density implied by a continuous 6 month test of Rossi's reactor tells me that the energy source that drives the Ni/H reactor must be nuclear and cannot chemical. This excludes the hydrino mechanism from LENR. RvS: Do you know how much Hydrogen was used during the test, and what the total energy release was? Interesting point Robin, since this was a very long run - and presumably was the Hot-Cat configuration (but that is not certain) ... so if there is a small amount of metal hydride, a fixed amount from the start (as was claimed in the original Hot-Cat report) - and given that a gram of nickel hydride only holds a few milligrams of H2 - then that argues against BOTH explanations: LENR and hydrino. There is simply not enough fuel for either. However, even if no substantial hydrogen is consumed during the six months, and the hydrogen present serves only as the carrier of energy from another dimensions (which is available via quantum vacuum fluctuations) according to such sources as: http://www.calphysics.org/zpe.html ...and since the energy density of nothing would be 110 orders of magnitude greater than the radiant energy at the center of the Sun Well, the conclusion then, as unlikely as it may seem - is that a small fixed amount of hydrogen argues against either LENR and f/H but not against a Dirac/ZPE explanation, where protons act as the gateway to another dimension. However, if hydrogen was added continuously during the long run (as expected), then the amount consumed would tell us volumes about the nature of the reaction by knowing the thermal output per atom consumed. If it was in the range of 200 eV per atom of H2 then we are talking f/H reactions, and if it is MeV range and up, per atom consumed, then we are talking nuclear. We need to see these results, but according to the sparse record of the Hot-Cat, and the fixed amount of starting fuel - then the reaction is most likely neither LENR or the hydrino. In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. Jones attachment: winmail.dat
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 7:28 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. Hmmm. Now where did I read that before? ;-)
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-Original Message- From: Terry Blanton In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. Hmmm. Now where did I read that before? ;-) Hmm... Did you plant that particular thought into the collective unconscious?
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: -Original Message- From: Terry Blanton In fact, that strange outcome - requiring the mention of a vacuum/ZPE/Dirac source of energy transfer, would be very difficult for all of those PhDs to swallow, and thus responsible for a much longer delay than if the reaction can be pinned to nuclear. Hmmm. Now where did I read that before? ;-) Hmm... Did you plant that particular thought into the collective unconscious? I've always believed the energy source was zpe, a miracle. But, how do you have a PhD and say it is so? http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg94394.html
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One fear I have had about DSoNE is that a hole in the dike that allows the exchange of energy beyond our 3space might explain the Fermi paradox. Rossi's reactors do appear to be incredibly unstable and allegedly meltdown or explode. Maybe those events plug a hole which, if it grew larger, could create a flood. There is a factor in Drake's equation for those civilizations which destroy themselves. Lemuria and Atlantis maybe got a little too close?
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The neutron bands in transition metal lattices may be the result of magnetic decoupling of neutrons from the nuclei of the transition metal. This would possibly make the neutrons available for transmutations and energy release to the lattice--consistent with Axil’s idea about the polarization of the gluon spins and reduction of the strong force between protons and neutrons. Bob Sent from Windows Mail From: Axil Axil Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 4:34 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com The power density implied by a continuous 6 month test of Rossi's reactor tells me that the energy source that drives the Ni/H reactor must be nuclear and can not chemical. This excludes the hydrino mechanism from LENR.
