Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Copies of Magonia are difficult to find and expensive. Mine is lost in one of my moves; but, I have found a copy available online that may be downloaded: https://ia800904.us.archive.org/3/items/PassportToMagonia--UFOsFolkloreAndParallelWorldsJacquesVallee1993/Passport%20to%20Magonia%E2%80%94UFOs%2C%20Folklore%2C%20and%20Parallel%20Worlds%2C%20Jacques%20Vall%C3%A9e%20%281993%29.pdf On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:04 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:21 PM ROGER ANDERTON < > r.j.ander...@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Well, aliens supposedly refer to people as containers for souls >> > > Ah, yes. That reminds me of *Passport to Magonia*, probably Jacques > Vallee's best work. > > https://www.reiters.com/book/9780987422484 >
RE: EXTERNAL: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
On 5/24/ Jones Beene said “there is no valid reason to deny that what we may denote s a "UFO" event is in fact both real but also completely non-physical in our 3-space" I agree and would include Lorentzian navigation under that moniker since it dispels arguments over impossible speeds, changes in vector, lack of sonic booms and spotty radar returns. It also would align with methods like Navy engineer Paris proposed in his patents, the lethal G forces and seemingly impossible displacement of tic tacs are actually indications of Lorentzian effect but not based on near C velocity – a space craft with a field that shields it from normal spacetime can experience time faster than we on a relatively stationary planet experience it, like we perceive the near C paradox twin as being in stasis so would an observer inside one of these Paris fields see his own twin on earth as in stasis. The difference is that the Paris field doesn’t have to fight for a significant trig portion of C but has the much easier task of resisting the flow of VP thru a small enclosure of 3 space, and navigation could be as simple as shaping that resistance to VP flow like a sail – always forward on time axis but perpendicular to 3 space. From: Jones Beene Sent: Monday, May 24, 2021 9:14 AM To: vortex-l Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month Coincidentally - this turned up in the morning's news feed... https://getpocket.com/explore/item/when-lab-experiments-carry-theological-implications Looking beyond so-called 'common sense' and/or 'scientific proof' - in the broader debate over the reality of ET phenomena - there is no valid reason to deny that what we may denote s a "UFO" event is in fact both real but also completely non-physical in our 3-space ... which echoes an earlier observation in this thread.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Dear Vortex People, Thank you for sharing! Zoom zoom! Tweak my psycho-glandular index! Make me leak personal thoughts! I love the topic of alien mind assisting humanity as a finger of sentient universal intelligence. --floating away-- Perhaps the universe is more-way-very-far advanced than human comprehension at our level of nascent intelligence, latent as an accessible Akashic record, per se, of everything harmonic ever realized by the universe of mind. That is to say, our inner mind is based on cosmic goose sense. Perhaps the advanced-index of the human perceptive envelop is little more than a mud-worm's reckoning in comparison to a universe that is intelligent enough to produce the error-checking machinery at the molecular-level of a biological agency of genetic code that persists as a specie --human, animal, virus; in spite of entropy. Intelligent enough to flood a planet with every conceivable, and inconceivable, genetic coding that persists indefinitely within a world of chaos at all levels. Intelligent enough for this place to be here. Float with me. Leap with me. Perhaps 'mind' is the technology of a sentient universe with a memory. Mind is then defined as a functioning image of the cross-time dynamics of universal sentience --in this discussion. Your mind is my definition of mind to you. We are sentience of mind with a lot of abstraction ability and time-line event-memory. To offer one explanation from an primitive viewpoint of apparent ET encounters: (in all manor of mixed metaphor) <-- and as touched upon also by other Vortex People... Perhaps the intelligence of the universe manifests an agency-of-mind locally within this material universe at the will and purpose of the universe. Perhaps 'ET-s' (etc.) are manifestations of the universal mind; enacting events that were otherwise unobtainable to the will of the universe save through the intervention of local minds-in-a-material-body (or sentient space craft, or light ship, or wheel in a wheel, or intelligent ball lightning). Local manifestation of universal mind. Personality; a divine expression in timing-space. 'Made in His image' per some humans. We are produced within the time-line to tune-in THE image, per some hybrid ways of thinking. We are nature's hand mirror. So, perhaps we really are the universe, as flower-children told us decades back. We may really be a nexus of universal mind, as an experience of the universe within itself, while 'we,' proper, are exactly each a unique experience of the mind of THE universe. All of us. Uniquely. The human brain ... If Sir Roger Penrose, Ph.D (knighted mathematician) is correct in asserting that 'mind' is not a product of 'brain,' but a brain is a transceiver for mind that is somewhere else, then entertain this twist... Are we all then bio-aetheric tuners into the same 'mind of the galaxy?' Note: universal mind is here termed mind of the local galaxy. That's maybe human of me. "Not all stars are alive." --the first prepared statement of a self-claimed remote viewer having claimed assistance to human-alien cooperatives as a trans-agency interpreter (An ambassador for military-humans to the orbs.) Post-coma, nearing-death disclosure. June, 2013, day one. Are we all neurologically-tuned into the same galactic mind that thrums entropy-defeating-future-sense upon the material universe until 'life' evolves to a level to support a hosting environment of the universal mind? Are the gear-works of the universe spinning the hands of time to produce the ultimate biological host of universal mind? -- Engineering challenge: Locate the superluminal signal of the universal mind, and amplify this still, small voice that our neuro-quantum biology communicates socially to be the creator god <-- so that us biologics can better perceive what the hell is going on. DonEM 2021.05.26 p.hybrid-speak.s Just say "No!" to cognitive dissonance. Stop thinking that shifts the psychosomatic index into darker places of mind. To stop thought listen. Be the universal harmonic-mind-coupling. Perceive yourself within your host mind/body. And harmonize with this source. Speak aloud your urgent whisper within. The angels (ET-s, intelligent orbs, visitations, knowings) will hear the amplification of intent and respond within the time-line in proportion of your passion. Then, in concert with these same nexi-of-reckoning-against-sentience-of-knowing, life begins to make sense in a magnitude of context that bespeaks divinity lurks the shadow of mankind. Harmony deepens. Joy bubbles through happiness. Fan a spark of divinity to create a light of mind. Shine for your gene pool. Enjoy life and pass without regret by continuity of action through waking days. Then the engineering challenge of genetic fulfillment is anticipated to occur when the universe moves within
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Dear Vortex People, Thank you for sharing! Zoom zoom! Tweak my psycho-glandular index! Make me leak personal thoughts! I love the topic of alien mind assisting humanity as a finger of sentient universal intelligence. --floating away-- Perhaps the universe is more-way-very-far advanced than human comprehension at our level of nascent intelligence, latent as an accessible Akashic record, per se, of everything harmonic ever realized by the universe of mind. That is to say, our inner mind is based on cosmic goose sense. Perhaps the advanced-index of the human perceptive envelop is little more than a mud-worm's reckoning in comparison to a universe that is intelligent enough to produce the error-checking machinery at the molecular-level of a biological agency of genetic code that persists as a specie --human, animal, virus; in spite of entropy. Intelligent enough to flood a planet with every conceivable, and inconceivable, genetic coding that persists indefinitely within a world of chaos at all levels. Intelligent enough for this place to be here. Float with me. Leap with me. Perhaps 'mind' is the technology of a sentient universe with a memory. Mind is then defined as a functioning image of the cross-time dynamics of universal sentience --in this discussion. Your mind is my definition of mind to you. We are sentience of mind with a lot of abstraction ability and time-line event-memory. To offer one explanation from an primitive viewpoint of apparent ET encounters: (in all manor of mixed metaphor) <-- and as touched upon also by other Vortex People... Perhaps the intelligence of the universe manifests an agency-of-mind locally within this material universe at the will and purpose of the universe. Perhaps 'ET-s' (etc.) are manifestations of the universal mind; enacting events that were otherwise unobtainable to the will of the universe save through the intervention of local minds-in-a-material-body (or sentient space craft, or light ship, or wheel in a wheel, or intelligent ball lightning). Local manifestation of universal mind. Personality; a divine expression in timing-space. 'Made in His image' per some humans. We are produced within the time-line to tune-in THE image, per some hybrid ways of thinking. We are nature's hand mirror. So, perhaps we really are the universe, as flower-children told us decades back. We may really be a nexus of universal mind, as an experience of the universe within itself, while 'we,' proper, are exactly each a unique experience of the mind of THE universe. All of us. Uniquely. The human brain ... If Sir Roger Penrose, Ph.D (knighted mathematician) is correct in asserting that 'mind' is not a product of 'brain,' but a brain is a transceiver for mind that is somewhere else, then entertain this twist... Are we all then bio-aetheric tuners into the same 'mind of the galaxy?' Note: universal mind is here termed mind of the local galaxy. That's maybe human of me. "Not all stars are alive." --the first prepared statement of a self-claimed remote viewer having claimed assistance to human-alien cooperatives as a trans-agency interpreter (An ambassador for military-humans to the orbs.) Post-coma, nearing-death disclosure. June, 2013, day one. Are we all neurologically-tuned into the same galactic mind that thrums entropy-defeating-future-sense upon the material universe until 'life' evolves to a level to support a hosting environment of the universal mind? Are the gear-works of the universe spinning the hands of time to produce the ultimate biological host of universal mind? -- Engineering challenge: Locate the superluminal signal of the universal mind, and amplify this still, small voice that our neuro-quantum biology communicates socially to be the creator god <-- so that us biologics can better perceive what the hell is going on. DonEM 2021.05.26 p.hybrid-speak.s Just say "No!" to cognitive dissonance. Stop thinking that shifts the psychosomatic index into darker places of mind. To stop thought listen. Be the universal harmonic-mind-coupling. Perceive yourself within your host mind/body. And harmonize with this source. Speak aloud your urgent whisper within. The angels (ET-s, intelligent orbs, visitations, knowings) will hear the amplification of intent and respond within the time-line in proportion of your passion. Then, in concert with these same nexi-of-reckoning-against-sentience-of-knowing, life begins to make sense in a magnitude of context that bespeaks divinity lurks the shadow of mankind. Harmony deepens. Joy bubbles through happiness. Fan a spark of divinity to create a light of mind. Shine for your gene pool. Enjoy life and pass without regret by continuity of action through waking days. Then the engineering challenge of genetic fulfillment is anticipated to occur when the universe moves within
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 1:21 PM ROGER ANDERTON wrote: > Well, aliens supposedly refer to people as containers for souls > Ah, yes. That reminds me of *Passport to Magonia*, probably Jacques Vallee's best work. https://www.reiters.com/book/9780987422484
RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Well, aliens supposedly refer to people as containers for souls Robert Lazar mentioned a book that contained the history of earth and that it said that humans were referred to as ..containers for souls" and that souls could be traded in something like a barter system. The aliens are doing it all the time. They're trading in souls? Yes. They were shuffling us around like we were cattle to them. http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/themagazine/vol6/orion3.shtml which makes them demonic-> because supposedly Devil trades in souls-> ask the Devil for what you want in exchnage for selling your soul etc. -- Original Message -- From: "Chris Zell" To: "vortex-l@eskimo.com" Sent: Monday, 24 May, 21 At 17:36 Subject: RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month As for Aliens getting marooned here, I wonder about a similar idea. Both “Communion” and Linda Howe claim Aliens have something to do with an afterlife. I wonder if we are undesirable as to reincarnation elsewhere so they set things up to keep us here. Not on my planet, Monkey-Boy. CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
As for Aliens getting marooned here, I wonder about a similar idea. Both "Communion" and Linda Howe claim Aliens have something to do with an afterlife. I wonder if we are undesirable as to reincarnation elsewhere so they set things up to keep us here. Not on my planet, Monkey-Boy. CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
"So what are they?" From Fran Blanche Part 1 https://youtu.be/a6tDHZj5q5Q Part 2 https://youtu.be/FTermh1w_0A Harry On Mon., May 24, 2021, 10:06 a.m. H LV, wrote: > Perhaps Earth is used as the interstellar equivalent of the island of > St Helena for undesirable aliens. > > Or maybe aliens are marooned here by accident because they ventured > too close to some sort of cosmic vortex which hurls them to our solar > system. > > Harry > > On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Chris Zell wrote: > > > > A few thoughts about UFO’s: > > > > > > > > If I was an Alien, I’d think twice about eating humans or anything else > on this planet. Pollution, toxic metals, plastic residue and God knows > what else is in the meat. Like eating seafood with potential mercury in > it. Don’t touch that human, you don’t know where he’s been. > > > > > > > > There have been claims after Roswell that an Alien said they use bodies > as ‘dolls’ or remote units – so they can experience things but stay safe – > wherever home is. > > > > > > > > There have been claims that Earth is unique in its wild abundance of > life and different species. Steven Greer talked about some ET’s picking > wild flowers. The Tall Whites seem to use Earth as a way station or > interesting place to visit – with one female visiting here since Monroe > was President. > > > > > > > > I also speculate that a telepathic or collective consciousness might be > critical in these ET’s because otherwise, they might blow themselves up as > that which humans are headed towards. If they really can immobilize nukes, > God speed. Clinton once said, “I feel your pain” but that needs to be more > than metaphorical. > > > > > > > > There is recent speculation that UFO disclosure is being done to give > the Military Industrial Complex a new expensive enemy to fight – in > building space weapons. I hope it’s because of the Chinese putting > pressure on the Pentagon in a disclosure competition. > > > > > > > > CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. > Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the > sender. >
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Perhaps Earth is used as the interstellar equivalent of the island of St Helena for undesirable aliens. Or maybe aliens are marooned here by accident because they ventured too close to some sort of cosmic vortex which hurls them to our solar system. Harry On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Chris Zell wrote: > > A few thoughts about UFO’s: > > > > If I was an Alien, I’d think twice about eating humans or anything else on > this planet. Pollution, toxic metals, plastic residue and God knows what > else is in the meat. Like eating seafood with potential mercury in it. > Don’t touch that human, you don’t know where he’s been. > > > > There have been claims after Roswell that an Alien said they use bodies as > ‘dolls’ or remote units – so they can experience things but stay safe – > wherever home is. > > > > There have been claims that Earth is unique in its wild abundance of life and > different species. Steven Greer talked about some ET’s picking wild flowers. > The Tall Whites seem to use Earth as a way station or interesting place to > visit – with one female visiting here since Monroe was President. > > > > I also speculate that a telepathic or collective consciousness might be > critical in these ET’s because otherwise, they might blow themselves up as > that which humans are headed towards. If they really can immobilize nukes, > God speed. Clinton once said, “I feel your pain” but that needs to be more > than metaphorical. > > > > There is recent speculation that UFO disclosure is being done to give the > Military Industrial Complex a new expensive enemy to fight – in building > space weapons. I hope it’s because of the Chinese putting pressure on the > Pentagon in a disclosure competition. > > > > CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please > do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
RE: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
A few thoughts about UFO’s: If I was an Alien, I’d think twice about eating humans or anything else on this planet. Pollution, toxic metals, plastic residue and God knows what else is in the meat. Like eating seafood with potential mercury in it. Don’t touch that human, you don’t know where he’s been. There have been claims after Roswell that an Alien said they use bodies as ‘dolls’ or remote units – so they can experience things but stay safe – wherever home is. There have been claims that Earth is unique in its wild abundance of life and different species. Steven Greer talked about some ET’s picking wild flowers. The Tall Whites seem to use Earth as a way station or interesting place to visit – with one female visiting here since Monroe was President. I also speculate that a telepathic or collective consciousness might be critical in these ET’s because otherwise, they might blow themselves up as that which humans are headed towards. If they really can immobilize nukes, God speed. Clinton once said, “I feel your pain” but that needs to be more than metaphorical. There is recent speculation that UFO disclosure is being done to give the Military Industrial Complex a new expensive enemy to fight – in building space weapons. I hope it’s because of the Chinese putting pressure on the Pentagon in a disclosure competition. CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
Coincidentally - this turned up in the morning's news feed... https://getpocket.com/explore/item/when-lab-experiments-carry-theological-implications Looking beyond so-called 'common sense' and/or 'scientific proof' - in the broader debate over the reality of ET phenomena - there is no valid reason to deny that what we may denote s a "UFO" event is in fact both real but also completely non-physical in our 3-space ... which echoes an earlier observation in this thread.
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
I suggest to the US defense department that they assume a more proactive posture to analyze the nature of the UFO by probing the physical nature of the UFOs that are intruding into US restricted airspace as follows: I suggest that one of the most intelligent and capable Super Hornet missiles: the AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile undergoes warhead replacement with a custom UFO sensor characterization package to probe the internal structure of the UFO. These sensors might include magnetic field characterization, UFO real time flight data location recording, time dilation detection, field energy power level measurement, inertial movement measurement and recording, and sundry environmental measurements and recording which might include temperature, pressure, electric polarization, and the like. The Super Hornet warhead sensor replacement package might include package recovery signaling similar to a black box air crash recorder. The AIM-120 AMRAAM air-to-air missile already has the necessary targeting, pursuit and penetration capabilities necessary to localize the UFO, intercept it and proceed to penetrate the UFO's interior so that data can be recorded and saved for later analysis. By following an after action sensor package signaling beacon, the Navy can locate and retrieve the sensor package either on land or under the ocean anywhere on earth. On Sun, May 23, 2021 at 6:47 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 23 May 2021 15:36:43 -0400: > Hi, > > Perhaps the piezoelectric effect caused by pressure on the geological > strata creates localized high voltages that ionize > the air. > > > >What if UFOs are actually Weakly interacting massive particles (WIMP). > >Maybe the common conception of what a particle can be is too limited at > >least in terms of size. What if UFOs are the appearance of dark matter on > >earth. I have a number of reasons in support of this conjecture. > > > >A case in point, the The Hessdalen lights. > > > >The Hessdalen lights are unexplained lights observed in a > 12-kilometre-long > >(7.5 mi) stretch of the Hessdalen valley in rural central Norway. > > > >The bus-sized Hessdalen lights are of unknown origin. They appear both by > >day and by night, and seem to float through and above the valley. They are > >usually bright white, yellow or red and can appear above and below the > >horizon. The duration of the phenomenon may be a few seconds to well over > >an hour. Sometimes the lights move with enormous speed; at other times > they > >seem to sway slowly back and forth. On yet other occasions, they hover in > >mid?air.Unusual lights have been reported in the region since at least the > >1930s. High activity occurred between December 1981 and mid-1984, during > >which the lights were being observed 15–20 times per week, attracting many > >overnight tourists who arrived in for a sighting. As of 2010, the number > of > >observations has dwindled, with only 10 to 20 sightings made yearly. > > > >Many attempts at trying to get to the bottom of these lights have centered > >on the local geology to explain their casation. The one that I like the > >best is the explanation that attributes the phenomenon to an incompletely > >understood reaction involving hydrogen, oxygen and sodium, which occurs in > >Hessdalen because of the large deposits of scandium there. This > explanation > >seems to support the catalytic formation of a metallic hydrogen based > >polariton condensate. But how can this condensate grow so large, the size > >of a bus. A clue comes from research observations about how the Hessdalen > >lights are initiated: > > > >"The light phenomenon is always preceded by very short-lasting (on the > >order of a fraction of second) flashes of light which appear everywhere in > >the valley and which emit power ranging from 10 to 300 W. Sometimes such > >flashes are recorded at a very short distance (up to 5 m) from the > >observer." > > > >This indicates that the large bus-sized condensate waveform condenses > from > >the entanglement of many smaller sub clusters. There is no > >alien civilization origin story involved here. > > > >There are many such areas around the world that have seen these lights > >produced on a regular basis including the Marfa lights in Texas. > > > >But there are other clues that can lend support to the assignation of > WIMPs > >status to UFO sightings. > > > >I have mentioned the polygon structure of the UFO which is a result of the > >supersolid nature of polariton lattice formation. > > > >There is mention by Navy pilots to the roiling of the surface of the sea > >that is occurring on the surface of the ocean directly under the ocean > >hugging UFO. > > > >I have seen this appear in cavitation based polariton condensation > >formation where the anopole spin circulation induces massive vortex > >formation behavior in water. > > > >Next, polariton condensation is a surface localized reaction where the > >condensate is attracted
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Sun, 23 May 2021 15:36:43 -0400: Hi, Perhaps the piezoelectric effect caused by pressure on the geological strata creates localized high voltages that ionize the air. >What if UFOs are actually Weakly interacting massive particles (WIMP). >Maybe the common conception of what a particle can be is too limited at >least in terms of size. What if UFOs are the appearance of dark matter on >earth. I have a number of reasons in support of this conjecture. > >A case in point, the The Hessdalen lights. > >The Hessdalen lights are unexplained lights observed in a 12-kilometre-long >(7.5 mi) stretch of the Hessdalen valley in rural central Norway. > >The bus-sized Hessdalen lights are of unknown origin. They appear both by >day and by night, and seem to float through and above the valley. They are >usually bright white, yellow or red and can appear above and below the >horizon. The duration of the phenomenon may be a few seconds to well over >an hour. Sometimes the lights move with enormous speed; at other times they >seem to sway slowly back and forth. On yet other occasions, they hover in >mid?air.Unusual lights have been reported in the region since at least the >1930s. High activity occurred between December 1981 and mid-1984, during >which the lights were being observed 1520 times per week, attracting many >overnight tourists who arrived in for a sighting. As of 2010, the number of >observations has dwindled, with only 10 to 20 sightings made yearly. > >Many attempts at trying to get to the bottom of these lights have centered >on the local geology to explain their casation. The one that I like the >best is the explanation that attributes the phenomenon to an incompletely >understood reaction involving hydrogen, oxygen and sodium, which occurs in >Hessdalen because of the large deposits of scandium there. This explanation >seems to support the catalytic formation of a metallic hydrogen based >polariton condensate. But how can this condensate grow so large, the size >of a bus. A clue comes from research observations about how the Hessdalen >lights are initiated: > >"The light phenomenon is always preceded by very short-lasting (on the >order of a fraction of second) flashes of light which appear everywhere in >the valley and which emit power ranging from 10 to 300 W. Sometimes such >flashes are recorded at a very short distance (up to 5 m) from the >observer." > >This indicates that the large bus-sized condensate waveform condenses from >the entanglement of many smaller sub clusters. There is no >alien civilization origin story involved here. > >There are many such areas around the world that have seen these lights >produced on a regular basis including the Marfa lights in Texas. > >But there are other clues that can lend support to the assignation of WIMPs >status to UFO sightings. > >I have mentioned the polygon structure of the UFO which is a result of the >supersolid nature of polariton lattice formation. > >There is mention by Navy pilots to the roiling of the surface of the sea >that is occurring on the surface of the ocean directly under the ocean >hugging UFO. > >I have seen this appear in cavitation based polariton condensation >formation where the anopole spin circulation induces massive vortex >formation behavior in water. > >Next, polariton condensation is a surface localized reaction where the >condensate is attracted to metal surfaces. This could be why the UFOs >attempt to approach ships and jet aircraft. > >If the UFO based condensate does ever contact the surface of a ship or >plane, that surface may dematerialize. That would set the defence >department into an alien attack based panic. These bus sized WIMPs could be >dangerous and not to be toyed with. > >As far as an application of UFO WIMP technology goes... if an aircraft >could be encased in a dark matter field, the aircraft might demonstrate >the performance behavior that the UFOs are currently showing the US Navy. >This includes MOND based antigravity, no control surfaces, no restraint by >air resistance, zero inertial maneuvering, instant acceleration, >deceleration, and change of direction, and point to point quantum >teleportation. > >The WIMP hunters now searching in those multi million dollar holes in the >ground might be better served to get their eyes directed toward the skys. > >When Ed Witten set down his mathematical description of a >tachyon condensate, no one would ever imagine that these equations could >ever actually be realized. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
What if UFOs are actually Weakly interacting massive particles (WIMP). Maybe the common conception of what a particle can be is too limited at least in terms of size. What if UFOs are the appearance of dark matter on earth. I have a number of reasons in support of this conjecture. A case in point, the The Hessdalen lights. The Hessdalen lights are unexplained lights observed in a 12-kilometre-long (7.5 mi) stretch of the Hessdalen valley in rural central Norway. The bus-sized Hessdalen lights are of unknown origin. They appear both by day and by night, and seem to float through and above the valley. They are usually bright white, yellow or red and can appear above and below the horizon. The duration of the phenomenon may be a few seconds to well over an hour. Sometimes the lights move with enormous speed; at other times they seem to sway slowly back and forth. On yet other occasions, they hover in mid‑air.Unusual lights have been reported in the region since at least the 1930s. High activity occurred between December 1981 and mid-1984, during which the lights were being observed 15–20 times per week, attracting many overnight tourists who arrived in for a sighting. As of 2010, the number of observations has dwindled, with only 10 to 20 sightings made yearly. Many attempts at trying to get to the bottom of these lights have centered on the local geology to explain their casation. The one that I like the best is the explanation that attributes the phenomenon to an incompletely understood reaction involving hydrogen, oxygen and sodium, which occurs in Hessdalen because of the large deposits of scandium there. This explanation seems to support the catalytic formation of a metallic hydrogen based polariton condensate. But how can this condensate grow so large, the size of a bus. A clue comes from research observations about how the Hessdalen lights are initiated: "The light phenomenon is always preceded by very short-lasting (on the order of a fraction of second) flashes of light which appear everywhere in the valley and which emit power ranging from 10 to 300 W. Sometimes such flashes are recorded at a very short distance (up to 5 m) from the observer." This indicates that the large bus-sized condensate waveform condenses from the entanglement of many smaller sub clusters. There is no alien civilization origin story involved here. There are many such areas around the world that have seen these lights produced on a regular basis including the Marfa lights in Texas. But there are other clues that can lend support to the assignation of WIMPs status to UFO sightings. I have mentioned the polygon structure of the UFO which is a result of the supersolid nature of polariton lattice formation. There is mention by Navy pilots to the roiling of the surface of the sea that is occurring on the surface of the ocean directly under the ocean hugging UFO. I have seen this appear in cavitation based polariton condensation formation where the anopole spin circulation induces massive vortex formation behavior in water. Next, polariton condensation is a surface localized reaction where the condensate is attracted to metal surfaces. This could be why the UFOs attempt to approach ships and jet aircraft. If the UFO based condensate does ever contact the surface of a ship or plane, that surface may dematerialize. That would set the defence department into an alien attack based panic. These bus sized WIMPs could be dangerous and not to be toyed with. As far as an application of UFO WIMP technology goes... if an aircraft could be encased in a dark matter field, the aircraft might demonstrate the performance behavior that the UFOs are currently showing the US Navy. This includes MOND based antigravity, no control surfaces, no restraint by air resistance, zero inertial maneuvering, instant acceleration, deceleration, and change of direction, and point to point quantum teleportation. The WIMP hunters now searching in those multi million dollar holes in the ground might be better served to get their eyes directed toward the skys. When Ed Witten set down his mathematical description of a tachyon condensate, no one would ever imagine that these equations could ever actually be realized. On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 10:12 PM Axil Axil wrote: > If UFOs are actually visitors from other civilizations, they must have a > technology that is far more advanced than ours is. But don't be concerned, > there are no other civilizations involved with UFOs... these fearful > objects are but a dimly seen preview of a new epoch in science and > technology that could be available to humankind if only we can embrace it > without fear. > > The laws of nature in their full expanse are just now becoming visible. > But even at this very early juncture, the specifications of this new > technology are truly awesome. What is to come in the very near future is > beyond the dreams of the most imaginative Sci Fi authors but new military > sensors
Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month
If UFOs are actually visitors from other civilizations, they must have a technology that is far more advanced than ours is. But don't be concerned, there are no other civilizations involved with UFOs... these fearful objects are but a dimly seen preview of a new epoch in science and technology that could be available to humankind if only we can embrace it without fear. The laws of nature in their full expanse are just now becoming visible. But even at this very early juncture, the specifications of this new technology are truly awesome. What is to come in the very near future is beyond the dreams of the most imaginative Sci Fi authors but new military sensors can now preview the dance moves of these flying profits of the future. The AN/APG-79, and other AESA radars like it on fighter aircraft, offer a huge leap in capability in virtually every respect. This includes a massive improvement in reliability as a steerable radar dish is no longer needed with electronically scanned arrays. Mechanically scanned arrays have to quickly sweep in all directions physically and even under heavy G forces and buffeting, and they have to survive crashing down on a carrier deck after missions over and over. So, migrating to a system with few moving parts was a massive coup in terms of reliability for Navy fighters. he AN/APG-79's resolution, range, speed of scan, simultaneous tracking, and target discrimination abilities are drastically improved over its predecessor. Even the ability to operate in air-to-air and air-to-ground modes at the same time has been introduced. In addition, advanced software and processing that interprets what the more sensitive radar 'sees' provides a higher quality end product to Super Hornet crews, resulting in dramatically improved situational awareness. All this means that AESA equipped fighters can see farther, better understand what was being detected, and have a hugely enhanced ability to detect objects flying low over surface clutter. Even small or low observable (stealthy), or slow-moving targets, or those that attempt to hide in the 'doppler notch' of a threatening fighter's radar by flying perpendicular to it, have a tougher time eluding detection and engagement when facing opposition fighters packing AESA radar sets. With all that being said, apparently, this same leap in sensor technology also lifted the curtain, so to speak, when it came to detecting UFOs flying near Navy fighters while on training missions. The pilots began noticing the objects after their 1980s-era radar was upgraded to a more advanced system. As one fighter jet after another got the new radar, pilots began picking up the objects, but ignoring what they thought were false radar tracks. As with any advancement is scientific sensing, new discoveries immediately follow. Lt. Ryan Graves, an F/A-18 Super Hornet pilot who has been in the Navy for a decade has come forward after talking to the Navy and Congress about the events he and his squadron mates witnessed between 2014 and 2015. This navy pilot and his wingman were flying in tandem about 100 feet apart over the Atlantic east of Virginia Beach when something flew between them, right past the cockpit. It looked to the pilot, Lieutenant Graves said, like a sphere encasing a cube. When I see these polygon shapes, I know what ballpark that the game is being played in. These are the classic supersolid shapes. I see the marks that these shapes impress in material corrosion all the time in micrographs. Triangles, hexagons, pyramids, and even saucer-shapes are also seen. There may be an instance of fear involved in the interpretation of this new reality like a bushman seeing his picture on a smartphone for the first time. When a nanoscale object described in a math paper is just an exercise in logic, but when that same object, now the size of a bus, is pacing your jet airliner at 30,000 feet, the culture shock is beyond most of us and that is when the fear sets in. On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 8:09 PM Jed Rothwell wrote: > Michael Foster wrote: > > >> Everyone just assumes that these visitors must be from civilizations far >> advanced from our own. That may or may not be true. >> > > If they are actually visitors from other civilizations, they have to be > far advanced. They cannot be from anywhere in the solar system. Our robot > probes have now visited every planet and most large moons. There is no sign > of intelligent life anywhere in the solar system. So if there are non-human > visitors they must have crossed interstellar space. To do that, they have > to be far advanced over us. We could not begin to do that, except -- as I > noted -- with tiny spacecraft that cannot be controlled when they arrive. > >
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I can't blame anyone for staying away from the UFO "community". Real information is really difficult to weed out of the profusion of BS that pervades. There is so much fakery and pseudo-religion associated with what are probably real phenomena, that it is wise not to become involved. But besides the "Pets or Meat?" question, there might be an alternative explanation for these visits. Given the wide variety of craft observed, saucers, triangles, tic-tacs, pyramids and so on, it appears that these are different groups. Everyone just assumes that these visitors must be from civilizations far advanced from our own. That may or may not be true. My speculation is that it is possible that these visitors may have discovered reactionless propulsion, space warping methods and other physics unknown to us before all the things we consider to be the advanced technology we have now. Perhaps they simply evolved their science and technology along entirely different lines. Maybe they never had steam engines, winged aircraft, and complex digital electronics because they never needed them. They might just be a bunch of goofy guys briefly curious about what goes on with our strange species and all the overly complicated devices we make. There are examples of this sort of thing in human history. My favorite example is the very advanced agricultural technology of the meso-Americans. The world benefits from their accomplishments today. These were civilizations that never invented the wheel, but yet created foods by the selective breeding of plants that were either inedible or poisonous. We eat potatoes, yams, sweet potatoes, tomatoes, and corn (maize), all brought into existence by civilizations isolated from Europe and Asia. So who knows? I certainly don't.
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Michael Foster wrote: > Everyone just assumes that these visitors must be from civilizations far > advanced from our own. That may or may not be true. > If they are actually visitors from other civilizations, they have to be far advanced. They cannot be from anywhere in the solar system. Our robot probes have now visited every planet and most large moons. There is no sign of intelligent life anywhere in the solar system. So if there are non-human visitors they must have crossed interstellar space. To do that, they have to be far advanced over us. We could not begin to do that, except -- as I noted -- with tiny spacecraft that cannot be controlled when they arrive.
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I sent my book to the people doing this study research at the Pentagon. As usual I have heard noting. Not even the the, It Was Interesting put down. Frank
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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote: Me, I stay away from the UFO community. Wise move. Thanks, Bill. Back in the day, my website was only for FE/OU, antigravity, CF. I was constantly having to tell people, if you want UFOs, just freakin' go to the HUUUGE number of flying-saucer websites! Sheesh. But those groups never build hardware, or even START to perhaps consider any experiments. For them, actual science seems to be completely taboo. ( ( ( ((O)) ) ) ) William J. Beatyhttp://staff.washington.edu/wbeaty/ beaty, chem washington edu Research Engineer billb, amasci com UW Chem Dept, Bagley Hall RM74 x3-6195 Box 351700, Seattle, WA 98195-1700
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I wrote: > I think there is no likelihood aliens would need help from us, and no > likelihood they crashed or their equipment failed. A technology capable of > crossing interstellar space with devices as large as this would be > "indistinguishable from magic" (Clarke) and it would be hundreds or > thousands of years ahead of anything we could understand -- or make. It > would be so reliable there is no chance it would fail catastrophically. > Having said that, let me add that I have no earthly idea what might be causing these UFO reports. I have no hypothesis. I think I can rule out some hypotheses. It seems unlikely that a civilization can send macroscopic, controlled vehicles across interstellar space, yet these vehicles might crash on earth. I suppose I cannot rule it out, but it is like suggesting that a modern desktop computer which performs 3 billion operations per second might slow down and take 10 minutes to add 2 + 2 = 4. Or that a pickax might shatter when you use it to make a hole in a styrofoam block. Technology does not fail that drastically. Things are more reliable than that. I am not interested in UFOs because as far as I know, there is not enough data to form a reasonable hypothesis. We'll just have to wait until we know more, which may be never. I am not interested in questions with no near-term potential answers. I don't care about the so-called Big Questions such as "how did the universe begin?" Honestly, I am not much interested in any question that is not likely to lead to making money soon, or making life better, or fixing problems such as pollution, global warming, or cheap access to outer space, or better food. I admit I am a philistine!
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Jones Beene wrote: In that case, the most likely thing ET would need to continue their mission > is replacement of advanced chips and electronics. To get these parts, > however, they might first need to intervene somehow in the normal process > of R on earth by influencing progress and directing it in a certain way > to meet their needs, not ours. > Every breakthrough in semiconductors was made by people without help from extraterrestrials. The people who made these breakthroughs documented their work very carefully, for patent purposes. The history has been preserved in detail. There is no doubt the people came up with the ideas themselves. There is no mystery or gaps in the development process. Individual discoveries were not great leaps of imagination. They were not extremely surprising or unthinkable, especially compared to cold fusion. If Shockly, Brattain and Bardeen had not discovered transistors, someone else soon would have. Arguably, Lilienfeld did discover transistors in 1925. The Bell Labs patent lawyers thought he did, and they wrote the patent so as not to infringe on his patent. It is not likely Lilienfeld ever demonstrated the effect, and his device might not have worked, but it was similar to first devices from Bell Labs. I think there is no likelihood aliens would need help from us, and no likelihood they crashed or their equipment failed. A technology capable of crossing interstellar space with devices as large as this would be "indistinguishable from magic" (Clarke) and it would be hundreds or thousands of years ahead of anything we could understand -- or make. It would be so reliable there is no chance it would fail catastrophically. That is not to say we could not send probes to other stars. There are already laser, solar wind and other proposed devices that might do that. But the payload would be measured in grams. Hundreds would be sent, and it would take ~30 years to reach the nearest stars. http://spaceref.com/interstellar/relaying-swarms-of-low-mass-interstellar-probes.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot If these aliens wanted to make some equipment, they could do it themselves, easily. They would have universal replicators. That is, machines that can make anything -- another idea Clarke was one of the first to describe. Don't leave Alpha Centauri without one! We are quickly developing such tools. 3-D printers are the first generation. Primitive, of course, and only capable of using one material. Far more advanced ones that can use any element are likely to be available in a few hundred years. A thousand years at most, I expect.
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One of the more interesting possibilities is that the Visitors do not travel in space but in time. They could be humans from the future who have manipulated their genome to attempt to eradicate the unwanted faults of human nature. But they have discovered that they also eliminated some of the desirable human traits. They are visiting their ancestors who existed prior to the genetic changes to extract DNA to restore those desirable traits.
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What I wonder about is: What could we possibly have that they would want, that they can’t freely provide for themselves? And How can they have any sort of unified command or enforcement of a Prime Directive since any one of them could reveal their existence in such an obvious fashion as to achieve full disclosure? Think about a single Alien deciding “Disclosure be happenin’ today, bitches”. It doesn’t happen that way. CAUTION: This message was sent from outside the Nexstar organization. Please do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender.
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Even for those of us seriously doubt (that any ET visitation has occurred in the past history of mankind) - we can nevertheless enjoy speculation about what exactly - such a visitation would look like, if or when it actually happened. This exercise has significant entertainment value, if nothing else. Start with this question - "can ET spell "Poughkeepsie" ? ... and who cares if they can't. Basically, the situation which would logically be the "ET default" - is that alien contact would be "one way" and planned to be unobtrusive to all. Unless we dig much deeper and look along the fringes we find nothing. IOW we should never notice ET contact at all, especially in the form that Hollywood has suggested - but might find it, especially if things (for them) had NOT gone as planned. This reasoning is based on the logic and expectation of of what we earthlings will most likely do in the far future, when we are technologically capable to reach out to the stars. Logic should be the defining issue - not drama. Furthermore, that surely means that an expected need of any putative ET mission, having traversed hundreds of light years of space/time to get here - would logically be to refuel - right? Well this refueling process should be unobtrusive as well - especially if it consists of hydrogen or deuterium. Such a fuel deficit would be able to be met from one of the "gas giants" and earthing would be unaware. Maybe a little palladium, who knows? However if contact with us has occurred - and this is a huge "if" - the situation could be that the ET recon mission would have suffered repairable damage in transit. In that case, the most likely thing ET would need to continue their mission is replacement of advanced chips and electronics. To get these parts, however, they might first need to intervene somehow in the normal process of R on earth by influencing progress and directing it in a certain way to meet their needs, not ours. That would be one way to look at the rapid rise of quantum computing in recent years. In some ways, this progress in an arcane pursuit, with little market incentive, seems to have been "out of the normal context" of historical trends. Thank you IBM. In short, if there was to be a bounty to be offered to "find ET" based on the logic of what they would need from us humans - my bet would be that the best place to look would be in the field of quantum computing and AI, and a good start would be either at IBM or (even more alarming from the US perspective) at the Chinese effort to advance quantum computing... or possibly at the interaction between the two. "Food" for thought? Jones H LV wrote: Terry Blanton wrote: ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? Food for their pets. Harry
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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:54 PM Terry Blanton wrote: > >> > ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? > > Food for their pets. Harry
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They are taking the piss. :-) On Thu, 20 May 2021 at 23:59, Robin wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400: > Hi Terry, > [snip] > >I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking > >something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the > >Prime Directive. > > What research, and what do you think they are taking? > > Regards, > > Robin van Spaandonk > >
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Probably Social Darwnists -> where think they can do whatever they like to inferior species -- Original Message -- From: "Terry Blanton" To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, 20 May, 21 At 23:53 Subject: Re: Dave Beaty Re: [Vo]:ufo report to be coming out in a month On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:22 PM Robin <mailto:mixent...@aussiebroadband.com.au> > wrote: In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 17:54:44 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The one question that remains in >my mind is: > >ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? They know we are intelligent, and we are not food. They guide us in our development somewhat, and occasionally lend a hand when needed, but are largely non-interventionist. A species (us) mostly has to discover things for themselves, otherwise the shock to their development can lead to catastrophe. I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the Prime Directive.
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 18:53:24 -0400: Hi Terry, [snip] >I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking >something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the >Prime Directive. What research, and what do you think they are taking? Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 6:22 PM Robin wrote: > In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 17:54:44 -0400: > Hi, > [snip] > >The one question that remains in > >my mind is: > > > >ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? > > They know we are intelligent, and we are not food. They guide us in our > development somewhat, and occasionally lend a > hand when needed, but are largely non-interventionist. A species (us) > mostly has to discover things for themselves, > otherwise the shock to their development can lead to catastrophe. I hope you are right; however, my research tells me that they are taking something from us. And I really don't think they give a hoot about the Prime Directive.
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In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 20 May 2021 17:54:44 -0400: Hi, [snip] >The one question that remains in >my mind is: > >ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? They know we are intelligent, and we are not food. They guide us in our development somewhat, and occasionally lend a hand when needed, but are largely non-interventionist. A species (us) mostly has to discover things for themselves, otherwise the shock to their development can lead to catastrophe. [snip] Regards, Robin van Spaandonk
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On Thu, May 20, 2021 at 5:08 PM William Beaty wrote: > > Me, I stay away from the UFO community. > Wise move. Thanks, Bill. In the late 80s, before the Internet, I was a Moderator on the CompuServe Encounters forum for the MUFON section. I had been a Saucer Seeker since reading *Incident at Exeter* as a kid in the 60s. On that forum, I was fortunate to meet many of the "Experts". The forum was hot into the early 90s when the Alien Autopsy film was "found". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_autopsy Around that time, I left MUFON and CompuServe but not before meeting Chris Tinsley who invited me to join Vortex-L and discuss Cold Fusion. I had become so frustrated with the UFO community and the lack of real knowledge that I gave it up, frustrated that we will never learn who is piloting those ships until THEY want us to know. The one question that remains in my mind is: ARE WE FOOD OR ARE WE PETS? Evidence is that they have been around for a long time. They likely don't consider us intelligent creatures. After 2020, I tend to agree. Cheers!
