[vox-tech] Apt vs. Compiling
I love K3b, and actually use it to back up my business files in Windows 98 since I don't like my CD burning EULA in Windows. But K3b is not yet available in Debian testing. (I use it in SuSE.) Suppose I downloaded K3b and compiled it in Debian. Then suppose that K3b later becomes available in testing. What would apt do? Would it update the compiled program? Or does apt ignore the programs that apt did not originally install? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Two Apt Error Messages
Here's an interesting error message I've been getting after running both apt-get update and aptitude update: Failed to fetch http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386/Pa ckages.gz 404 Not Found Failed to fetch http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/dists/testing/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found Reading package lists... Done W: GPG error: http://mirrors.usc.edu testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F W: GPG error: http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. If I then choose apt-get upgrade, I get a warning about going forward because of the fact that some of the packages cannot be authenticated. Lately I haven't been updating regularly, but I've gotten the message about the public key for two days in a row now. My guess is that the people on this list would not ignore the warning, and would not download the upgrades. But am I supposed to do anything except wait until the problem automatically clears up? Here's a separate question. It seems to me that the ucsc server has been unavailable for the last few weeks. Should I delete ucsc from my sources list? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] An Apt vs. Aptitude Observation
I'm calling this message an observation because I don't know enough to offer an explanation of what it is I am observing. But generally I have had a better experience with apt-get than I have with aptitude. I think it's Karsten Self who has written a piece explaining why aptitude is better. He knows more than I do, but here's my latest experience. Lately I've been doing apt-get and aptitude every day. Recently apt-get dist-upgrade has been downloading stuff when aptitude dist-upgrade does not. Today I have an extreme example. If I do aptitude dist-upgrade, I'm told that a whole bunch of KDE files are being held back. If I do apt-get dist-upgrade I'm told that I can continue to download all 155 MB of the KDE stuff. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Apt Question
When I do apt-upgrade now there is a message that alsa-base and alsa-utils have been kept back. Why have they been kept back? Is it because alsa needs an upgrade of a dependency so that if the packages alsa is dependent upon are upgraded in the future, then alsa will be upgraded later? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Apt Question
On Wednesday 31 August 2005 10:25 am, Bill Kendrick wrote: Try doing an apt-get dist-upgrade and see if that looks like the case. Good luck! I get the same message with dist-upgrade. But thanks for your response. I'm not that worried about it, I'm just trying to learn what's going on. This Debian system appears to be working flawlessly for the most part. And with the help of my notes from the last several installs, the installation was actually easy. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Disturbing XP Error Message
My son runs Windows XP. He is home for the summer. During the school year his laptop has been connected to the U.C. Santa Cruz dorm Resnet system. At home his laptop is in his room where he has a wireless connection to the Internet by way of a router. Recently he has been getting this very disturbing error message when he shuts off his computer: Other people are logged on this computer. Shutting down Windows might cause them to lose data. Do you wish to continue? He says that he is not connected to any file sharing programs or computers. I've heard that XP itself spies on its users. Does anybody have an idea of what's going on here? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Open Office Question
One of the nice things about open source is that different people can produce different versions of a product. SuSE, Debian, and at least one other distro, have their own version of Open Office. And the SuSE and Debian versions look nicer with colored icons, etc. But Debian Open Office has a very nice practical feature that is also found in Word Perfect. When you open or save a file in Debian Open Office you are taken to the last directory that you were working in. In Star/Open Office you have the notion of a Work Folder. In most Open Office versions your default Work Folder is My Documents. This default can be changed. But the problem is that the opening and saving of documents will always take you to this single default folder. This can be very irritating. If I'm using Open Office in Linux to work on business spreadsheets on my Windows partition, I will have to do a lot of clicking to open and save documents. But with Debian Open Office there's no hassle, as I will automatically be taken to the directory that I have been working in. In Debian (if I have been working in my Windows partition) I can open a spreadsheet without having to go through /mnt all the time. I have consulted an old Star Office book, and the help in both SuSE and Debian Open Office for a way to configure non-Debian Open Office versions to open and save the way Debian does it. I can't find a way. Does anybody here know how to configure non-Open Office versions to open and save like Debian Open Office? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DVD burning front ends
On Sunday 06 March 2005 09:21, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: What program on Linux most closely resembles Nero for DVD burning in both interface and features? I'm not that familiar with Nero though I have used it once I think. (It's on the family computer.) I also don't burn DVD's. But KDE's K3b should probably be considered one of the greatest achievements of the Linux desktop. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] DE flame war.
On Sunday 06 March 2005 20:57, Karsten M. Self wrote: Speaking for myself: - GNOME has an alarming tendency to make like a supercharged VW Beatle on a ice-slicked Colorado mountain road: continuous 360s until it plunges headline over a 1500' abyss. The number of major direction/architecture changes the project's been through, and the willingless it's demonstrated to change allegiances (toolkits, target audience, design intent, preferred application set) makes me treat it like a rabid, pregnant, injured rhino: with a great deal of cirucumspection but not necessarially with any intent to turn it into a favorite house pet. - Another remarkably charming feature of GNOME is the way it encourages the user to make fantastic journeys through unfamiliar territory. Setting, say, MIME associations in your web browser requires firing up a sort of bastardized psychopathic cross-breed excuse of a file-mangler-cum-desktop-icon-manager, called Nautilus. Then it's merely a straightforward matter of a half dozen mouse-clicks, a newts eye, three waves of the rubber chicken (counterclockwise -- this is often omitted by the user and is contrary to the specs in the prior revisions docs). Browser proxy specification is similarly conveniently located in another totally separate application. Sometimes. You'll need to cross a few swamps from time to time, though. This was fun to read. Nice use of simile and metaphor. This reminds of of Joe Arruda; Mr. Zen. What ever happened to him? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Demonstrations of Linux flexibility?
On Saturday 05 March 2005 13:26, Troy Arnold wrote: On Fri, Mar 04, 2005 at 03:07:09PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote: I'm looking for examples illustrating the flexibility possible with GNU/Linux. How about the ability to tailor your working environment to the abilities (limits) of your hardware? Or how about getting the computer to multi-task for real. I use the printing example, and Pete Salzman uses the MP3 example. Suppose you have Linux and Windows 98 on a dual boot, and you have Open Office for both OS's. Start printing a 30 page paper in Windows 98 and you will find that the computer is useless until the print job is over. You can't surf the web, you can't start another word processing project, you can't play Solitaire. But if you reboot and print the same 30 page paper out in Linux, you can work flawlessly on the computer while the paper is printing out. (I don't know what would happen with Windows XP.) Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Changing Debian Screen Resolution
On Friday 04 March 2005 08:42, Karsten M. Self wrote: First: my usual suggestion is to go through the configuration tool rather than edit the file directly. No real harm, either way, but once you modify a conffile in Debian, automated updates _won't_ touch it. A set of MD5 hashes is kept by the system, for XF86 it's /var/lib/xfree86/ The debian way here is: $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ...you'll be walked through the setup screens, with your prior settings preselected. This was very helpful. In fact there are similar instructions set out in the introduction to the XF86Config-4 file. I executed the three commands the instructions said to execute. The third command was the one you set out above. While I am still getting that momentary band at the bottom of the screen (I worry about Debian hurting my monitor), my present XFConfig-4 files looks really good. And I think that the system will update since I followed the other directions. By reconfiguring the xserver I got an idea of why it was that I ended up with the 800x600 resolution in the first place. That is one of two default resolutions that the configuration program gives you. It looks like I failed to uncheck those resolutions, and I failed to check 1024x768 the first time I went through the configuration. I wasn't paying enough attention to what I was doing. Thanks again. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Changing Debian Screen Resolution
My Debian screen resolution defaults to a bothersome 800x600. I'm trying to get it to 1024x768. If I use xf86cfg and choose 1024x768 nothing changes. If I type xrandr -s 1024x768 then the resolution changes for the current session only. When I reboot I go back to 800x600. So, can anybody tell me how to make the 1024x768 screen resolution permanent? Thank you. Bob P.S. Am I the only Debian hating Debian user in the world? ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Changing Debian Screen Resolution
On Thursday 03 March 2005 17:33, Ken Bloom wrote: Edit your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 find Section Screen then find the Subsection Display which corresponds to the default color depth. Add 1024x768 at the beginning of the Modes line. First let me say thanks Ken and thanks David. Believe it or not, the solution does not work. I ended up modifying the resolution for all color depth entries. I added 1024x768 and removed all other resolutions. Here's what happens when I reboot. When X starts the bottom one fifth of the screen becomes a black band. The the screen blinks, and you see a small mouse pointer indicating that the resolution is 1024x768. But then the screen blinks again and the mouse arrow is big indicating that I'm back at 800x600. GNOME continues to boot, and there I am in 800x600. Now here's another mystery. When I type xandr I'm given about 4 screen resolutions. This is interesting since XFConfig-4 has only one; 1024x768. What's more xandr has an asterisk indicating that my resolution is set at 800x600. I'm wondering if something is overriding XF86Config-4. Could GDM be doing something? Here's another thought. You might remember several weeks ago when I was trying to set up X. I was trying to follow the directions for an outdated version of X. I'm wondering if I may have set up another configuration file like you used to do before Linux started using XFConfig-4. Does anybody have any thoughts about this? In the meantime I'll start looking for another configuration file that I may have set up. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Changing Debian Screen Resolution
On Thursday 03 March 2005 22:53, Robert G. Scofield wrote: I'm wondering if something is overriding XF86Config-4. Could GDM be doing something? Here's another thought. You might remember several weeks ago when I was trying to set up X. I was trying to follow the directions for an outdated version of X. I'm wondering if I may have set up another configuration file like you used to do before Linux started using XFConfig-4. Okay, I seem to have it running. I checked my notes and discovered that my attempt to create an outdated config file was done on an earlier Sarge install attempt. There were no outdated config files on my present Debian system. GNOME was the problem. Under Desktop Preferences there was a selection for screen resolution. That screen resolution was set for 800x600. I still get that funny band when I boot, but it's blue instead of black now. Nevertheless, I've got 1024x678 resolution. Thanks for the help. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] /var/log/messages Mystery
Because I don't have my computer on for 24 hours a day, I always
modify /etc/crontab to fire at a time when I will likely be on my computer.
So in my Debian partition crontab fires during the 8:00 pm hour, and in my
SuSE partition crontab fires during the 9:00 pm hour.
Since I've had SuSE 9.2, /var/log/messages has not been rotated or deleted
once. But in Debian, /var/log/messages has been rotated a couple of times
since I modified /etc/crontab. My old SuSE 9.0, and my old Mandrake systems
also rotated /var/log messages after I changed /etc/crontab. But SuSE 9.2 is
not rotating.
According to the SuSE 9.2 Administration Guide logrotate is controlled
through cron and is called daily by /etc/cron.daily/. After reading *man
logrotate* I put the following into /etc/logrotate.conf:
/var/log/messages {
rotate 5
daily
postrotate
/sbin/killall -HUP syslogd
endscript
}
But this has not resulted in /var/log/messages being rotated or deleted. And
I notice that in my Debian system there is no reference to /var/log/messages
in /etc/logrotate.conf. So I have concluded that /var/log/messages (at least
in Debian) is controlled by something other than /etc/logrotate.conf.
So can anybody tell me how to get SuSE to rotate or delete /var/log/messages?
I realize that I can always use bobcron or dummycron. Here's how bobcron
works: rm messages. But I'd like to get this system to work the way it's
supposed to.
Thank you.
Bob
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Re: [vox-tech] a firefox question
On Thursday 03 February 2005 06:24, Lewis Perdue wrote: I don't suppose anyone knows a hack that will allow Firefox to support a wheel mouse? I've gotten hooked on configuring mine to scroll down a page at a time. Firefox does not support, so I went back to Mozilla. Maybe I don't know what you mean by once page at a time, but my scroll mouse works with Firefox. The only difference between Mozilla and Firefox here is that on Firefox scrolling doesn't work when the shift key is pressed. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Email vs. FAX Security
I think I know the answer to this, but I want to make sure. I believe that it is more secure to FAX a document than it is to email a document or message, right? This assumes that one does not use email encryption. I realize that someone can tap a phone line, and that would enable a person to intercept a FAX. But at least a FAX does not sit on a server waiting to be downloaded, like an email message does. It would seem easy for an ISP's system administrator to use the root password to read the email of the ISP's customers. ( I know I can log in as root on my Linux system and use the more command to read my downloaded email.) Does anybody here believe that ISP system administrator's ever do such a thing? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Two Debian Audio Questions
I'm reading How To's on the web still trying to get audio working in Debian. Right now I have a question about two messages I get when booting. Can anybody tell me what they mean? 1) via82cxxx_audio: blacklisted My sound driver is supposed to be via82xx. The word blacklisted seems ominous. Can someone explain this message? 2) I get a message at bootup about a pciehp module not loading. In /var/log I can find this specific message: pciehp: acpi-pciehprm:get_device PCI ROOT HID fail=0X1001 Could this failure have anything to do with sound? If not, do I care about it? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Sarge Printing Problem
I've done a Sarge net install three times now, and it's quite an experience. I get a different set of packages even when I choose the same stuff to download. I don't have sound and I can't print. But I've got some stuff to read on sound, and will try to take care of that on my own. But the printing is a mystery. I can't print from the GUI (Gnome in this case.) At first I could print from the command line using the command lpr. But after downloading the Cups packages lpr would not work. What would work from the command line was lpr -l. Later nothing would print at all from the command line or GUI. Then still ater when I would print from the GUI I'd get this: %!PS-Adobe-3.0 %%BoundingBox: (attend) %%Creator: OpenOffice. That message would be followed by either a bunch of gibberish followed by blank pages, or just by the blank pages. Now, for some reason, I am unable to print anything. I can't print from the command line or the GUI. I've also downloaded all the foomatic packages I can find. So does anybody have any ideas as to what I might do? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sarge Printing Problem
On Friday 28 January 2005 11:47, Jonathan Stickel wrote: So if you haven't already, put localhost:631 in your browser's location bar. If the cups daemon is running, you should get a menu to start working CUPS. If you have a printer correctly installed, clicking on the print test page for that printer should give you a nice CUPS test page. Wow. That was great. I didn't know about that trick. The first thing it let me do was delete printers. The GNOME remove-printer-function was grayed out, and I couldn't figure out how to delete printers. At first I couldn't do a test page. The program said that my parallel port was busy. Also, when I would boot into, or out of, Debian the printer would start printing blank pages. So I let the printer have a little fit, turned it off, and then turned it back on again. After I did that I could print a test page from localhost:631. After the test page printed I could print with Open Office for the first time. The printer didn't start when I booted out of Debian this time (I'm in SuSE now.) We'll see what happens when I boot back into Debian. I really can't believe that a fix to a Debian problem can be so easy. (And I'm not sure exactly what the fix actually was.) So thanks Jonathan and David. If I don't get my sound working, I'll be back in touch next week and you can fix that for me too. :-) Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sarge Printing Problem
On Friday 28 January 2005 17:59, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Robert G. Scofield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Back when we all used oss-free, the simple fix was to use the sndconfig package (RH-written, kindly placed under GPL by them, and then packaged up for Debian and other distros). With ALSA, I don't personally know of anything analogous. I remember using sndconfig when I used Red Hat some years ago. And I saw that someone on a Debian list used apt-get install sndconfig. But when I try it, I get a message that it's no longer available (at least by way of apt-get). Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Repository Questions
After downloading KDE for my Debian install a couple of weeks ago I got a message asking me to set directories that are repositories so that history files can be rotated and for security checks. I didn't know what to list for these directories. I've never been asked this question running Red Hat, Mandrake or SuSE. So what directories do I name for this purpose? How many directories? Are these directories that already exist, or am I supposed to name directories to be created? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sparc-based distro?
On Thursday 20 January 2005 00:07, Richard S. Crawford wrote: On Wednesday 19 January 2005 22:48, Josh Parsons flailed at a keyboard and Meanwhile, I see you're at the Philosophy department. Spiffy. I got my BA in philosophy from UCD in 1992. Is Dr. Mattey still around? Not only is Dr. Mattey still around, but Dr. Mattey is running Linux. And not only is Dr. Matttey running Linux for himself, he installed it on a student machine when I was there. Linux saved me when I wrote my dissertation. My dissertation was typed in Word Perfect 5.1 for DOS. I was at U.C.D. for so long that I had to deal with both U.C.D. and the Philosophy Dept. phasing out support for 5.1. So I couldn't print on campus anymore. So I tried Word Perfect 8 for Windows. But Word Perfect didn't have the same pages numbers on the screen as it did for the hard copies it printed out. So it was very difficult to correct typos in a long document. For example if you wanted to correct something on p. 98 of the printed copy, it was very difficult to find it on the screen. Word Perfect 8 for Linux, on the other hand, retained WYSIWYG for 5.1 for DOS. I don't know how I could have finished a 300 page dissertation without Linux. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Sparc-based distro?
On Thursday 20 January 2005 10:11, Richard S. Crawford wrote: Robert G. Scofield said: That's a cool story. I was never able to get WP8 to work for Linux (and finally just gave up, even after spending $130 on it), though I really wanted to; WP was always my favorite word processor (OOo is decent, but doesn't have the One True Feature -- reveal codes -- that made WP such a superior product). Reveal Codes is always getting me out of a jam. It helped me this week on a job application based on a Word Perfect form. It's amazing that not every word processor has Reveal Codes. The $130 version was Word Perfect 9, a crummy wine based version. WP 8 for Linux was Linux based, $50, and one of the two best word processors I've ever known. (The other was Word Perfect 5.1 for DOS.) Rick Moen, one of the country's two leading experts in this area, can explain: (1) why you couldn't get WP 9 to work; (2) *anything* else you want to know about Word Perfect and Linux. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] XF86Config Question
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 03:26, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Also, don't forget about XFree86 -configure. This will get you in the right ballpark. After writing a reasonable XF86Config-4 file, you can fine tune your way to the front row seats. First, thanks to you and Jeff for responding. XFree86 -configure doesn't work for some reason. Here's what I think will be my last question. I am at the stage where I am supposed to set up an X server by making a symbolic link to /usr/X11R6/bin/X In *Linux Unleashed* (Third ed. 1998) an X server is said to be a driver. And one example given of a driver that is a server is this one: XF86_VGA16. Another example is given in the book's illustration of how to set the server up: ln -s /usr/X11R6/bin/XF86_SVA /usr/X11R6/bin/X But I can't find any drivers in /usr/X11R6/bin, and I can't find any drivers anywhere else. So I decided to see how SuSE does it. Here's what SuSE does: /usr/X11R6/bin/X - /var/X11R6/bin/X /var/X11R6/bin/X - /usr/X11R6/bin/Xorg But I can't find Xorg in Debian. And Xorg certainly does not look like the type of driver filed referred to in Linux Unleashed. So I'm thinking of getting some Debian CD's somewhere and giving this net install up, unless someone can tell me where I might find the X server on this system. Thanks. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] XF86Config Question
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 11:41, Rick Moen wrote: Don't sweat that. It's there in case XFree86 attempts some stupid guess at your video memory amount that you _know_ to be wrong, in case you therefore wish to un-comment that line, to hit XFree86 with the Cluebat of Enlightenment. Thanks. And thanks for the other information. And thanks to Ken and Pete. I finally got X working. I could never get XFree86 -configure to work. I played around trying to apt-get servers, and was told I could try 3 or 4 different ones. So I ended up with xserver-xfree86. That prompted me for the writing of a new config file. I put in the wrong mouse info (stupidly copying SuSE entries), but managed to correct it. Then I got an error message about fonts. But Debian told me what font packages to apt-get. And after I got those packages, X started. Now I've got to set up KDE. I downloaded it the other night, but it seems not to be here anymore. Apt and Aptitude, or whatever it is, plays around with packages, removing unused ones, etc. So I'll download KDE again, and read about how to set it up. I think the hardest part is over with. Thanks again. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] XF86Config Question
On Wednesday 12 January 2005 18:45, Rick Moen wrote: First, let me say thanks for the post. There's a lot of good stuff in here for me. So I'm saving it. Under ordinary circumstances, you should not need to manually download individual packages (or sets of packages) for a Debian box. In this Sarge net install you download 110 megs only. After this base you then go online and download what you want. Debian advertises this as a convenient way to download pointing out that it's quicker than downloading iso images for a lot of packages you don't want. Apt and Aptitude, or whatever it is, plays around with packages, removing unused ones, etc. That's not a bug; that's a feature. ;- Yeah, I'm just not used to it. While I haven't yet figured out what Aptitude is doing exactly it does seem to be cleaning things up. So I'll download KDE again, and read about how to set it up. I honestly would advise against: I suspect you're solving the wrong problem. If you're getting odd results from trying to use the normal package-management tools, it might be useful to describe those, so people can help determine what if anything is wrong. The oddest thing I've seen so far is Aptitude in menu mode. I seem to do better with the command line. Every time I want something in menu mode all of the 8,000 to 14,000 Debian packages are set to be downloaded. It's not practical to type the - 13,000 times to get just the KDE packages. Asking for KDE from the command line is more straight forward. The Debian website lists some books on Debian. I was thinking of posting to Vox to see if anyone had a special recommendation for a Debian book. Debian requires more study than the Red Hat, Mandrake, and SuSE that I've used. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] XF86Config Question
This Debian Net Install is requiring a lot of work. I'm trying to set up X, and I keep reading warnings that one can burn out a monitor or video card if one screws up. That's why I'm asking this question. I ran the xf86config program and was asked how much RAM my video card has. I've got onboard video, and I didn't know the answer. I couldn't find it on the web, or in my motherboard manual. So I picked 4096. I notice the following in my XFConfig file: Section Device Identifier My Video Card Driver vga #unsupported card #VideoRAM 4096 # Insert Clocks line here if appropriate So it looks to me like my 4096 selection is commented out, right? That's fine with me because I don't know if it's right. I've got correct settings for the horizontal and vertical sync/refresh rates. And the vga driver looks like I don't have anything to worry about. So it looks to me like I can run X (assuming I can get it up) without blowing anything out. Do you all agree? Thanks. Bob PS. In the meantime SuSE is working great. So if I don't get Debian up, I'm cool. ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] SuSE - Debian Swap Conflict?
I've got a strange error message regarding my Swap partition. Here's the background: I have my main Linux distro, SuSE 9.2, on hdb2. I had a duplicate copy of this distro on hdb3. I installed Debian over the duplicate on hdb3. When installing Debian, the installer would not go forward unless /dev/hdb5 was formatted in addition to hdb3. Hdb5 is my swap partition. After rebooting after the Debian install, SuSE would not boot. I used a SuSE rescue CD which fixed a FSTAB entry, and now SuSE boots. But while using the SuSE rescue CD I got an error message saying that /dev/hdb5 contains an unknown file system. Everything seems to be working and I just put in the rescue CD to check once more for problems. When the rescue utility starts I get a box with this message: Activate Swap Partition /dev/hdb5 The partition /dev/hdb5 has the file system ID 130 and contains a valid swap area. Activating this swap partition increases the performance of the repair tool. Press Yes to activate the swap partition. After I press Yes and the repair tool continues to do its work it ultimately returns this error message: /dev/hdb5 contains unknown file system. While SuSE seems to be working, I haven't used it much as I'm downloading Debian packages. But I'm wondering if SuSE is activating the swap partition when it boots. I didn't realize that there was more than one swap file system. I thought swap was swap. But note that SuSE is using reiserfs and Debian is using ext3. So here are some questions: 1) Will SuSE run into problems if I start doing some memory intensive work, or do you think SuSE is activating swap when it boots? 2) Since SuSE is my main system and Debian is just a training tool, is there some way to re-partition the swap partition in the way SuSE's reiserfs likes? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] SuSE - Debian Swap Conflict
I'm sorry if this message gets out twice, but Kmail seems to have eaten my first try. I've got a strange error message regarding my Swap partition. Here's the background: I have my main Linux distro, SuSE 9.2, on hdb2. I had a duplicate copy of this distro on hdb3. I installed Debian over the duplicate on hdb3. When installing Debian, the installer would not go forward unless /dev/hdb5 was formatted in addition to hdb3. Hdb5 is my swap partition. After rebooting after the Debian install, SuSE would not boot. I used a SuSE rescue CD which fixed a FSTAB entry, and now SuSE boots. But while using the SuSE rescue CD I got an error message saying that /dev/hdb5 contains an unknown file system. Everything seems to be working and I just put in the rescue CD to check once more for problems. When the rescue utility starts I get a box with this message: Activate Swap Partition /dev/hdb5 The partition /dev/hdb5 has the file system ID 130 and contains a valid swap area. Activating this swap partition increases the performance of the repair tool. Press Yes to activate the swap partition. After I press Yes and the repair tool continues to do its work it ultimately returns this error message: /dev/hdb5 contains unknown file system. While SuSE seems to be working, I haven't used it much as I'm downloading Debian packages. But I'm wondering if SuSE is activating the swap partition when it boots. I didn't realize that there was more than one swap file system. I thought swap was swap. But note that SuSE is using reiserfs and Debian is using ext3. So here are some questions: 1) Will SuSE run into problems if I start doing some memory intensive work, or do you think SuSE is activating swap when it boots? 2) Since SuSE is my main system and Debian is just a training tool, is there some way to re-partition the swap partition in the way SuSE's reiserfs likes? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] SuSE - Debian Swap Conflict
On Friday 07 January 2005 15:55, Jeff Newmiller wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005, Robert G. Scofield wrote: In my experience, the installer prompts you to proceed at each step, and offers alternatives. It does NOT not go forward unless [some other partition] is formatted. It _does_ offer a default path forward that formats succeeding partitions, and you may not have realized that you did not have to follow that path. Once I picked the option that let me do the partitioning, it gave me the list of partitions already on the machine. It gave me the option to edit each one. I picked /dev/hdb3, and when I went on, it marked both it and /dev/hdb5 for formatting. I went back a couple of times to try to get out of formatting the /dev/hdb5 partition, but couldn't do it. 2) Since SuSE is my main system and Debian is just a training tool, is there some way to re-partition the swap partition in the way SuSE's reiserfs likes? reiserfs doesn't like anything about other partitions... it has no opinion on matters outside its partition. However, fstab may be messing you up. Here's the Debian fstab entry for /dev/hdb5: file system mount point type options dump pass /dev/hdb5 noneswapsw 0 0 Here's the SuSE fstab entry for /dev/hdb5: /dev/hdb5swap swap pri=420 0 Of course, the SuSE fstab is the only one I'm worried about. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Net Install Question
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 17:51, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Robert G. Scofield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): So I downloaded this file: sarge-i386-netinst.iso Also, download the matching md5sum. Then run md5sum on the ISO, and compare. _Then_ burn it, and try to boot it. Before you read this, I want everyone to know I have been reading man md5sum and info md5sum. This stuff is confusing. Here's what I've found: 1) If I type md5sum sarge-i386-netinst.iso | mdsum -c, I get this nice message: sarge-i386-netinst.iso: OK 2) If I type md5sum -c sarge-i386-netinst.iso, a bunch of stuff flys across the screen ending with this not nice message: md5sum: WARNING: 906 of 906 listed files could not be read 3) If I type md5sum -c sarge-i386-netinst.iso | more, I appear to get the same type of information flying across the screen as in (2); things like files can't be opened or read or found, but at the end there is no final message about 906 of 906 files not being read. 4) Peter's great command, mount -o loop sarge-i386-netinst.iso /mnt, leads to this titillating file in sarge-i386-netinst.iso, md5sum.txt. The file md5sum.txt lists hundreds and hundreds of files. I guess what I'm supposed to do is compare the file list in md5sum.txt to the output of some md5sum command. I suppose I could print md5sum.txt out and compare it to some list of files that the command md5sum gives me. But so far md5sum has not given me a list like that found in md5sum.txt. So far md5sum has given me the three outputs listed in (1), (2), and (3) above. A fourth output, from md5sum sarge-i386-netinst.iso gives me a long code followed by the name of the iso file. Can anyone suggest what I should do next? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Net Install Question
On Thursday 06 January 2005 09:35, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Hi Bob, Hi. You need to do two things: 1. Get the md5sum for the entire ISO file by doing: $ md5sum sarge-i386-netinst.iso The output will look something like: 6c190153f506bdf1474c728b8e5fcb90 sarge-i386-netinst.iso This is mine: 0930068d7e95fe3294c3c53cebfe818a sarge-i386-netinst.iso 2. Get what the md5sum *should* be for that file. This may or may not be tricky unless you remember where you downloaded the ISO file from. If you do remember, go back to where you downloaded the file from and look for a file called sarge-i386-netinst.041124.iso.md5.txt Here's where I got my file: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ I chose netinst CD image, with Debian base and picked i386. The problem is that when you choose to download the file you're not given a date or any md5sum file. But I found a solution. If you click on i386 to download, you're given the URL for the sarge iso in the Mozilla Firebird save box. I've discovered that I can go to the URL box in Firebird and substitute ftp for http and then write in the URL from the save box to get into the Debian directories that contain sarge. And those directories do contain a checksum file. The present version is dated January 5th or 6th. So I'm going to delete my iso file. Then I'm going to put the browser into ftp mode and write down the md5sum code for the latest version, and then I'm going to download the new iso. And finally I'll run md5sum after the download. I'll just compare the output from md5sum with what I wrote down. Thanks for your help. I'm saving all these posts to put in my Linux binder. But here's a question. What is the meaning of the message sarge-i386-netinst.iso: OK when I run md5sum sarge-i386-netinst.iso | mdsum -c, sarge-i386-netinst.iso: OK? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Debian Net Install Question
I've been reading about the Debian network installation and decided to try it. As I understand it you download a relatively small file to burn to a CD, and then later install what you need. So I downloaded this file: sarge-i386-netinst.iso But when I burn it, it doesn't boot. I downloaded it with Firebird, and there was no option to set the files to binary. I assume that the files must have been set to binary by default. I used K3B to burn the CD. In Settings I checked the box for copying system files. There was no special box to check for burning a bootable CD like there is in my Windows CD burner. (I actually tried my Windows CD burner, and that led to a disaster which I won't get into here.) So does anybody know what I've done wrong. I know my BIOS is set for booting CD's because I was booting Knoppix last night. Thanks. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Debian Net Install Question
On Wednesday 05 January 2005 15:10, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Also, just to make sure the iso file isn't corrupted, do: file sarge-i386-netinst.iso That's interesting because it says the CD is bootable. But I think I need to try the suggestions of Marc and Jonathan. I did choose data CD and I don't remember if I chose iso. I've got to get to a meeting. I'll try to re-burn later tonight, or tomorrow. and do (as root): mount -o loop sarge-i386-netinst.iso /mnt ls /mnt I found this to be a fascinating command. It shows a lot of files and directories that do not show up if I mount the CD itself in the regular manner. And those files suggest ways to boot by way of a floppy should the CD not boot. I don't know what this command does exactly, but it's nice. So here's a question. When one is done with this command, does one issue some sort of umount command? Thanks Pete, and Mark and Jonathan. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Running Multiple Distros
I have two questions about running more than one Linux distribution on a single machine. #1: Does the existence of a separate partition for /home mean that it is not practical to run more than one Linux distribution on a machine? I have SuSE on one partition, and I have space allocated for another distro. But my home directory is on still another partition. When certain programs are run they put hidden files and directories in /home. For example .kde is a directory containing many subdirectories and some files. If I install Debian in my spare partition, will the programs in Debian insert hidden configuration files that will break SuSE's connection to it's configuration files in /home. Will Debian's .kde break SuSE's connection with the .kde that KDE installed when it was originally started in SuSE? #2 Suppose the answer to #1 is that the second distro will break the first distro's connection to it's configuration files in /home. Will there still be a problem if I install the same version of SuSE in the spare partition? Suppose, for example, that I want a duplicate version of SuSE in which to experiment with configuring files and compiling programs so that if I blow the system, I can still run the original SuSE system. Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Running Multiple Distros
On Thursday 30 December 2004 12:13, Rod Roark wrote: It seems like any new distro put into /dev/hdb3 will automatically use /dev/hdb7 (which SuSE 9.2 is using), right? Is there anyway to install a new distro on /dev/hdb3 and have it use a /home on /dev/hdb3? I would expect that to be the default. If the new distro does somehow figure out that you were using hdb7 for /home and decides to make that the default, it should at least give you a chance to override it. Right, and I just discovered the truth of what you're saying. You put SuSE9.2 in my spare partition when you built this Sunset Systems machine. (Though it's not part of the GRUB menu at present and so doesn't boot.) So I just cd'd over to that partition and noticed that /home was empty. But I'm glad I asked this question anyway because of the information I got in the responses. I will use that information in my future experiments. Thanks again Pete, Rod and Rick. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kernel Panic Dissipated
Rod Roark wrote: vmlinux (pale blue) - vmlinuz-2.6.8-24.10-default Perhaps this last symlink is vmlinuz and not vmlinux? Correct. If so it seems the problem is just that your vmlinuz and initrd symlinks are out of sync. So perhaps all you need to do is: cd mountpoint/boot rm vmlinuz ln -s vmlinuz-2.6.8-24.10-um vmlinuz OR: cd mountpoint/boot rm initrd ln -s initrd-2.6.8-24.10-default initrd Okay I tried the second option after reading Bill Wells post. It worked! I want to thank everybody, especially Jonathan, Rod and Pete. I thank Rod for the moderate provocation, and Pete for the less moderate provocation. You guys forced me onto the higher path of education. And while stressful, it was fun. I'm really happy I got to learn a lot of stuff instead of doing a re-install. I already know how to do an install. Thanks again. Have a nice holiday season. Bob vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Kernel Panic
I'm in big trouble. I just updated my kernel with the SuSE update. I now a get this error message when I boot: Loading kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.ko reiserfs: no version for 'struct-module' found: kernel tainted reiserfs: verson magic: '2.6.8-24.10-um gcc-3.3' should be '2.6.8-24.10-default 586 REPARMgcc-3.3' insmod: error inserting 'lib/modules/2.6.8-24.10-um/kernel/fs/reiserfs/reiserfs.ko:' :-1 Invalid module format waiting for device /dev/hhdb2 to appear: ok rootfs: major=3 minor=66 devn=834 kernel panic= not syncing VFS: unable to mount roof fs on unknown block (3,66) I copied this from handwritten notes so it might not be exact. Is there a simple way to fix this, or do I reinstall the whole system? With my CD I can get to rescue mode with a prompt for root to issue commands, but I never know what to do. If it's not worth messing with, let me know. Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kernel Panic
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Being able to recover from this kind of thing is of prime importance for the scenario that a system you depend on gets hosed. You're right. As long as you don't care about the system, take the opportunity to learn how to recover. You're right. At best, you'll get your system back. At worst, you'll learn a little more than you know now. You're right. What exactly do you see when you boot that system? Grub gives me these options: 1) SuSE Linux 9.2 2) Windows 3) Floppy 4) SuSE Linux 9.2 (Failsafe) 5) Memory Test Options (1) and (4) lead to the same kernel panic error message I mentioned earlier. Option (3) won't help as I haven't made a boot floppy yet. The SuSE installation CD gives me an option for an automatic repair. But that doesn't work. The SuSE installation CD give me a rescue option. When I log in I get a prompt. But there's not much I can do with the prompt. I can't find anything. There seems to be a massive root directory with nothing there. My notes on mounting don't have anything on mounting partitions. For example this doesn't work mount /dev/hdb2 I'd at least like to get to my home directory and read a file I have that contains my old mount points for each partition. But I'm not going anywhere with the rescue prompt. Also, Rod Roark has a duplicate of the original install. But GRUB does not recognize it. In other words, I have my working system, and a duplicate install on /dev/hdb2 and /dev/hdb3, but I'm not sure which is which. I could figure it out if I could read that file in my home directory. But then I don't know enough about GRUB to figure out how to add the duplicate to the boot menu. One of my projects was to read SuSE help about GRUB configuration, but I didn't get around to it in time. Thanks. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kernel Panic
Rod Roark wrote: If it's not mounted then you can mount it with something like this: mkdir /myroot mount -t reiserfs /dev/hdb1 /myroot This assumes your SuSE root partition is /dev/hdb1 (first partiton on secondary drive), change accordingly. Then, see what's in /myroot/etc/lilo.conf or in /myroot/etc/grub.conf, depending on which of these exists, and tell us what you find. Okay, this was very helpful. At the very least I was able to go into my home directory and get the mount points for my partitions. I can now make sense out of the partitions in YAST if I do have to install. So for me that 's great progress. Here is grub.conf: root(hd1,1) install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage 2 /boot/grub/stage1 d (hd0) /boot/grub/stage2 0x8000 (hd1,1) /boot/grub.menu.lst quit I'm not exactly sure about the spacing because I'm going from my handwritten notes. The /boot/grub.menu.lst file looks like it might be interesting. Maybe I could add the duplicate install there, and boot up. But that wouldn't solve the kernel panic problem. Okay, so it looks like I can slowly navigate with the rescue prompt now. Does anybody have any idea about what I can about the original kernel panic message. Jonathan suggested using the old kernel. How would I do that? I'm just happy to get my partition information with Rod's help. So if we can't pull off solving the kernel panic problem, that's okay. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kernel Panic
Peter Jay Salzman wrote: Jonathan's suggestion is the most economical and likely to succeed. Let's see what's inside of /boot. I'm hoping there will be more than one kernel. Pete Okay, with the duplicate system I had a hard time figuring out which was the working one. So here's the info. If the entry does not appear in white in /boot, then the color of the entry is in parentheses following the entry. I hope my handwritten notes are correct. System.map-2.6.8-24.10-default System.map-2.6.8-24.10-um backup_mbr boot (pale blue) config-2.6.8-24.10-default config-2.6.8-24.10-um grug (blue) initrd (green) initrd-2.6.8-24.10-default initrd-2.6.8-24.10-um linux (pale blue) linux-2.6.8-24.10-um (green) memtest.bin message symvers-2.6.8-24.10-i386-default.gz (red) symvers-2.6.8-24.10-um-um.gz (red) vmlinux-2.6.8-24.10-default.gz (red) vmlinux (pale blue) vmlinuz-2.6.8-24.10-default I'm wondering if I should have done a ls -l to get dates for these. I'm going to have to attend to some family matters right now. But I'll be back to this later tonight. Thanks. Bob PS- A good project after this is done is to compile your own kernel -- one that has vital modules, like filesystems, built in rather than loaded as modules. Me?! ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Kernel Panic
Jonathan Stickel wrote: Yep, ls -l would be helpful, but for seeing which files are symlinks. Hopefully you have 2 separate kernels available, 2.6.8-24.10-um and 2.6.8-24.10-default, and that one is not a symlink to the other. From your first post, the errors seemed to be about the um kernel. Maybe we can try to boot the default kernel. This will require some manual editing of grub.conf (or maybe menu.1st; on my system, menu.1st is a symlink to grub.conf). Can you share a ls -l of /boot and /boot/grub? Jonathan Here is what ls -l of /boot shows as far as symbolic links; it looks like there are 4: System.map-2.6.8-24.10-default System.map-2.6.8-24.10-um backup_mbr boot (pale blue) - . config-2.6.8-24.10-default config-2.6.8-24.10-um grug (blue) initrd (green) - initrd-2.6.8-24.10-um initrd-2.6.8-24.10-default initrd-2.6.8-24.10-um linux (pale blue) - linux-2.6.8-24.10-um linux-2.6.8-24.10-um (green) memtest.bin message symvers-2.6.8-24.10-i386-default.gz (red) symvers-2.6.8-24.10-um-um.gz (red) vmlinux-2.6.8-24.10-default.gz (red) vmlinux (pale blue) - vmlinuz-2.6.8-24.10-default vmlinuz-2.6.8-24.10-default As for ls -l for /boot/grub, there are a lot of files there. Two of the files are menu.lst and menu.lst.old. There were no arrows at all. So I assume that there are no symbolic links in /boot/grub. I did a less command for menu.lst, and this looks like the file that would have to be edited. There's a lot of complicated stuff in there. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Kernel Panic
Here is the entry in /boot/grub/menu.lst that looks like the candidate for editing: kernel (hd1,1)/boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb2 vga=794 selinux=0 splash=silent resume= /dev/hdb5 desktop elevator=as showopts initrd (hd1,1) /boot/initrd There are similar vmlinuz and initrd entries for the Failsafe boot options. So I'm assuming that that entry would have to be edited to. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list vox-tech@lists.lugod.org http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] New Account Can't Access Windows Partition
On Monday 20 December 2004 00:26, Mark K. Kim wrote: Thanks to Bill, Swaine, and Mark. I've got it working. There were only two hitches. Change the stuff after vfat to: defaults,uid=1000,gid=win,fmask=117,dmask=007 The first hitch is that fmask had to be set to 107. addgroup win The second hitch was that my system did not recognize the addgroup command. It didn't even recognize the command when it was executed like this /sbin/addgroup So I just went into SuSE's YAST. All you do is create a new group and then put a check mark into the boxes next to the users you want to make part of the group. So it was easy. But the bottom line is that the win group now has read-write access to Windows. So thanks again. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] New Account Can't Access Windows Partition
Recently I asked for help here because I couldn't write from Linux to my Windows partition. After some helpful responses I blindly copied Ken Bloom's fstab entry into my fstab, and I could write to Windows. At that time, however, I had just one Linux account, bob. So someone logged into bob could write to Windows. Since then I've added a new account, research. When I log into research I have no access to the Windows partition whatsoever. I can't even read it, much less write to it. Here are the permissions for the mount point /mnt/windows: drwx-- 10 bob root 16384 1969-12-31 16:00 windows So I decided to use chmod to give read and write access to others. But chmod doesn't work on /mnt/windows. If I bungle the chmod command, I get an error message. But if I issue a correct command like chmod g+x windows I immediately return to the UNIX prompt just as if the command was properly executed. But the permissions do not change. So can anybody tell me how to get read and write permission for the new account on the Windows partition.? For what it's worth, Windows is on another hard drive, but I don't think that has anything to do with the problem. Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] New Account Can't Access Windows Partition
On Sunday 19 December 2004 23:00, Bill Kendrick wrote: I think because it's a mount point, you can't really affect its permissions. Can you remind us what the exact fstab entry was that you used? Yes, thank you Bill. Here's the Ken Bloom creation: /dev/hda1/mnt/windows vfat defaults,uid=1000,fmask=177,dmask=077 Remember, I don't know what any of this means after the vfat entry. BTW, I recently read on the Mozilla web site that Mandrake automatically configures a dual boot system to mount the Windows partition read-write. That's nice for the newbies, and the bewbies like me who never learn. But this is a SuSE system. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Can a User Write To Windows Partition?
On Saturday 11 December 2004 18:24, Ken Bloom wrote: Here's an fstab entry I have on 2.6: /dev/hda6 /home/bloom/vfat vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,fmask=177,dmask=077 0 2 Note that in a real fstab file, that would all be on one line. This gives me rw--- on files and rwx-- on directories. Note that you need x on directories in order to cd to them I might try an entry like that. But consider the entry below for my home directory: /dev/hdb7/homereiserfs acl,user_xattr1 2 I don't know what acl,user_xattr means. But what if I added that entry to my Windows partition. Do you think that would work without ruining something? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Can a User Write To Windows Partition?
Thanks to a Rod Roark Sunset Systems box, I'm back on Linux after about a 10 month absence due to a defective motherboard. I'd like to be able to write to Windows files from Linux on this dual boot machine. The Windows partition is mounted when Linux boots. But while I can read the Windows files, I cannot write to them as a Linux user. The following is from p. 94 of the March 2001 issue of Linux Magazine where the author is talking about FSTAB entries: If you set this up as shown above, only root will be able to write to these files. Keep in mind that the FAT filesystem does not include user permissions support. It seems to me that I remember being able to use Open Office in Linux to write to Windows files. But maybe it's my memory that is failing. Does anybody know if it is possible for a mere user to write to Windows files, and if so what FSTAB entry will enable this? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Printer Recommendation?
I was wondering if someone could recommend an inkjet printer for Linux use. My printer will cost more to repair than it will cost for me to buy a new one. I'm not using Linux now because of a motherboard problem. I'm a 100% Windows98 user. But I will get a new computer as soon as I get the money, and so need to plan for future Linux use. As a Windows user I'm leaning toward Epson. I've heard that the inks are better than HP inks in that they do not run as much if the paper gets wet. In addition, Epson has 3 or 4 separate color ink cartridges. So if you run out of yellow you get a yellow cartridge instead of having to pay $40 or so for one color cartridge like you have to do with an HP. As a past and future Linux user I'm leaning toward HP because HP makes Linux drivers. SuSE 9.0 had the HP drivers and it was nice being able to easily choose different printing options. I don't know whether or nor there is as much driver support for an Epson. So what do people recommend for Linux? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] debian and openoffice
Rod Roark wrote: Just in case you were thinking of trying a different distribution. ;-) What level of expertise does one need in order to install Gentoo? It's not like installing Mandrake or SuSE, right? I'm somewhat familiar with the Debian install. Is it like Debian? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] CD-RW's Don't Last
I've been using Memorex and Yamaha ultra speed 24X CD-RW's to back up my work files. They are not lasting. They seem to die after about 3 or 4 or 5 burns. In fact they've gone so quickly that I at first thought my CD reader was not working I can't risk not having my work backed up because the CD goes bad. Yesterday I tried a CD-R and backed things up and my CD reader could read the back up. So has anybody had a problem with ultra speed CD-RW's not lasting? Do the slower CD-RW's last longer? I had to waste resources, but I'm thinking of switching to CD-R's to back up my work. Does anybody have an opinion on this? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Burning ISO Images
Jeff Newmiller wrote: First thing that comes to mind is the old burning the image as a file problem... In a gui program, choose the burn an image option rather than the make a cd option. Okay, this was it. The CD will now boot. But I've got a super problem that no one can help me with now. I've got a motherboard problem; Mandrake calls it a syncing problem. My computer will run Windows98 but will not run Linux. Before I got it fixed I couldn't even run Windows. So now I need a new computer. Thanks also to Jonathan and Mark. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Burning ISO Images
I can't seem to burn a bootable Linux iso image. I downloaded two of the three Mandrake 10.0 files. I assume that CD 1 is the bootable file. But every time I burn a CD, the CD fails to boot. Is there a secret as to how to get my downloaded file to boot? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Hardware Recommendations?
What is the most stable motherboard currently used for Linux? That is, if someone were building a computer, what motherboard would you recommend? What is better for Linux, an AMD chip or a Pentium 4? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] SBC Modem Compatibility
I'm getting ready to order SBC DSL, and I'm planning on networking a router with two computers to share the SBC connection. I've heard from two sources that the DSL modems that SBC now use have compatibililty problems with lots of equipment that is not purchased from SBC. I've heard SBC's older modems were more compatible. SBC technical support, however, says there are no compatibility problems with its modems. I'd like to get some D-Link equipment because some of their stuff is compatible with Linux. Does anyone here believe that there are compatibility problems with SBC? Is D-Link a good source for equipment? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] cron - not at a different time
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 09:43, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: ps- is there a new virus? all of a sudden, starting from last night i've gotten a huge ton of emails that say things like: Arggghh, I hate plaintext! Here is your excel file. I don't bite, weah! Your file is attached. i normally don't see viruses because i filter based on executable strings in every win32 executable. but these viruses seem to be carrying .zip and .pif payloads which are getting past my filter. I just got a message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with an apparent zip file attached. Here's what it says: Looking  forward for  a response :P  password: 17468 AttachedFile.zip Does anyone know what this is all about? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Viruses
On Wednesday 03 March 2004 10:23, Rod Roark wrote: If you think it really came from the list, send me all the headers from the message (do not include the payload or your message will most likely be rejected). Sorry, the message has been exterminated. I empty my trash folder when I get stuff like that in it (though I know it's not a threat to LInux). Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] XFree86 4.4.0 non-GPL compatible
On Monday 01 March 2004 06:28, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: the fact of the matter is, nobody was really happy with xfree86 before this happened. they were extremely slow, secretive, and seemingly rejected patches in a passive-aggresive way (the cygwin xfree86 issue). it's just that they haven't been viewed as evil up until now. many forks have been started, and they've all stalled. I don't understand the big picture. How can the XFree project get away with upsetting so many people? If Red Hat, Debian, Mandrake, SuSe, OpenBSD, etc. get upset and start looking for alternatives, where does that leave the XFree project? Why is it not the case the XFree project needs to depend on making everyone happy? Also, it seems like SuSE (Novell) and its friend IBM, and GNOME's friends like Sun and HP have a whole lot of resources. Can't they come up with a an alternative? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] help
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 01:35, Bill Kendrick wrote: My issues are, 1) From the Linux OS, I cannot excess the internet. I wasn't at the IF, so I don't know the details of your setup. Are you trying to access via dialup (modem) or DSL? Directly on DSL, or on a LAN (e.g., DSL modem - Router - multiple computers) Seth worked very hard trying to get her modem to work at the IF. I *think* the problem was that Seth couldn't get a driver to work. I *think* this is about a three week old Dell Inspiron with no Linux drivers available. But Seth is the man to see about this problem. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] sound, kde, xmms, arts
On Wednesday 18 February 2004 00:54, Bill Kendrick wrote: On Tue, Feb 17, 2004 at 04:29:46PM -0800, Jonathan Stickel wrote: I asked around and the solution was to run esd ON TOP of artsd, and then have XMMS talk to esd. I'm not totally following this discussion, but I really enjoy XMMS. Are you guys posting these problems to the XMMS web site? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] FSTAB Questions
When I first installed SuSE 9.0 it automatically put my Windows partition in /etc/fstab. That was nice because I want to be able to use Open Office in Linux to work on Windows files. More importantly, I need to be able to back up my Windows files with my Linux CD burning software. I recently had to install a new hard drive. And I just noticed that, after re-installing SuSE, the Windows partition was not being mounted. I've been playing around with fstab and with the following configuration I can work on Windows files: /dev/hda5/ext3 defaults 1 1 /dev/hda6/empty ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda10 /homeext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda11 /opt ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda9/tmp ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda8/var ext3 defaults 1 2 /dev/hda1/mnt/windows vfat umask=0 0 0 /dev/hda7swap swap pri=420 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 proc /procproc defaults 0 0 usbdevfs /proc/bus/usbusbdevfs noauto0 0 /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrecorderauto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 /dev/cdrom /media/cdrom auto ro,noauto,user,exec 0 0 /dev/fd0 /media/floppyauto noauto,user,sync 0 0 Here are two questions: 1) Does this order look okay? Is /dev/hda1 in the right place? Man fstab says that order is important. 2) Instead of umask=0 I originally tried defaults, and then rw,user. But with these, Open Office couldn't write to the Windows files. (I've haven't tried backing up yet.) Umask=0 is working fine. But here's the question. I've come across an old Mandrake 9.0 fstab and here's the entry for the Windows partition: /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows vfat iocharset=iso8859-1,codepage=850,umask=0 0 0 Is there some advantage to having this sort of complicated entry? Will I screw something up with my simple umask=0? Should I copy the Mandrake entry into my SuSE system? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] FSTAB Questions
On Tuesday 17 February 2004 10:25, Peter Jay Salzman wrote: hi bob, Hi Pete. out of curiosity -- why did you reinstall? My hard drive went bad. In fact you were the one who said I needed a new hard drive. So I installed Linux on the new hard drive. Maybe reinstall was not the right word. and when you say windows isn't being mounted, do you mean at boot? what happens when you type mount /mnt/windows? Yes, it wasn't being mounted at boot. I could mount Windows with the mount command. it depends. did you plug the new hard drive in IDE 4 slot A or slot B? if you put it in slot B, the drive spins at a faster rate and can prematurely burn out the motor. a lot of people who complained about IBM deskstars crapping out early were guilty of using slot B. since then, IBM has placed slot AB converters, so for modern deskstars, it doesn't matter. if you own one of these things and it says CHS somewhere on the drive itself, you have an older model. On this computer it's IDE 1 (I believe.) And it was an IBM deskstar that burned out. I checked the Vox-tech archives and learned that people were having problems with the IBM deskstar. At Fry's there's an Hitachi Deskstar. But I bought a Maxtor at CompUSA after getting some information from Fry's employees that even I could figure out was bogus. i can't see why unless you do something like mounting /usr/local under /usr, you'd want to mount /usr first. in your case, you prolly just want to mount / before anything else (as we all do). I think man fstab says something about mounting order and fscking order. so it looks good to me. Thanks. bob, that field of fstab (field 4) is essentially options for mount. so you can figure out what the options mean by doing man mount. Yeah I looked at that a little, which is why I had a feeling that defaults would not let me write to the Windows partition. But I tried it anyway. Should I copy the Mandrake entry into my SuSE system? no. you should do what works. i know that sounds like a cop-out answer, but it's the absolute truth. Thanks for the input. Stay warm back there. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Can YAST create a FAT32 Partition?
Thanks to those of you who told me I need a new hard drive. I'd like to create a dual boot system on the new hard disk (which I haven't purchased yet). I'd like to do all of the partitioning from YAST. According to the YAST documentation YAST can delete FAT32 partitions. YAST can resize FAT32 partitions. But the documentation doesn't say whether YAST can create a FAT32 partition. The documentation assumes that one is partitioning to add Linux to a hard drive where Windows already exists. Does anybody know if YAST can create a FAT32 partition? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Can YAST create a FAT32 Partition?
On Saturday 31 January 2004 13:59, Jeff Newmiller wrote: a) Even if it can, if you plan to make a dual boot you are better off having the OS that will use the os format the partition it will run in. This means installing Windows first is almost always the best approach. Okay then I'll do it that way. Thank you and thanks also to Rob Rogers. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Fsck-ing a Hard Disk Problem
A few days ago I started occassionly hearing a weird sound coming from my hard drive when I would launch Konqueror. The sound came in sets of four grinds or barks. It was a grinding sound. But it also sounded something like a dog barking four times in the distance. I just rebooted into Linux from Windows and got an error message that there were uncorrectable errors on my /home partition; /hda10. The message said to fsck manually. When I fsck-ed manually the first time I got a bunch of messages that there were uncorrectable errors. The messages stopped without a prompt. Crtl-D would not reboot so I had to push the reset button. The second time I fsck-manually I got a bunch of messages that there were uncorrectable errors, but I got some ignore and fix prompts. I responded yes to the prompts. Fsck then told me that the partition had been modified. It also listed a whole bunch of bitmap changes. I don't know what a bitmap is. Of course there were other messages that I can't remember and did not understand. Things seem to be okay right now. I checked a few files and directories to see if they were still there. But writing this message and playing XMMS are the first things I've really done. So, what does all of this mean? If I continue to hear the grinding/barking sound does that mean that I need a new hard disk? Of course I really don't know if that sound is connected to the problem. But how serious is this problem? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Fsck-ing a Hard Disk Problem
On Thursday 29 January 2004 11:09, Robert G. Scofield wrote: So, what does all of this mean? If I continue to hear the grinding/barking sound does that mean that I need a new hard disk? Of course I really don't know if that sound is connected to the problem. But how serious is this problem? Here's some more information. When one exits from K-mail a little box comes up saying that K-mail is being cleaned up. Now when I exit, the box stays up for a *much* longer time. And while the box stays up the grinding/barking sound continues. It seems to me that KDE is screwing up somehow. But I am still able to boot into Linux without any fsck errors. I'm just wondering if I need a new hard disk. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] XMMS For Radio
I came across a LUGOD post dated January 9, 2002 from Richard Crawford. He wanted to listen to KXJZ but at the time that station only offered its stream in Windows Media. But if one goes to www.csus.edu/npr they now have options for Windows Media, Real Player and XMMS for Linux for both KXJZ and KXPR. I can hear KXPR with Real Player. But how does one get XMMS to get the stream? I'm having a hard time getting documentation for XMMS. Does anyone know how to get XMMS to play an internet radio station? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] XMMS For Radio
First let me say Thanks to both Trevor and Dave. I've got the XMMS playing KXPR. KXPR and KXJZ are the only stations I've seen so far that specifcally mention Linux as an option (though of course one can always use Real Player). On Monday 26 January 2004 00:52, Dave Margolis wrote: Konquerer has a very similar feature, except it doesn't seem to _remember_ your preference. I just tried to add *.pls to the File Association prefs in that browser but it didn't stick. Maybe somebody who uses Konquerer more can offer a better answer there. I got it going a bit differently than suggested by Trevor and Dave, but I used their advice to work out my way. What I like is that I can now bring up the XMMS player and listen to KXPR without having to go to the radio web site. It seems to work better than Real Player. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Bewbie Needs Compile Help
I wanted to put an N in front of ewbie, but there are too many people on this list that would know I was lying. I've been given these instructions: #./configure #make Log in as root on your machine #make install But when I type make I get the error message that make is an unknown command. So what do I do? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Email Password Security
I've been having unbelievably horrible security problems on both my family's computer (Win98SE) and the Windows partition of this dual boot system. Two weeks ago someone was stealing my email from my ISP's server. I then got Norton Personal Firewall for both computers, and for the last three days the dial up connection kept repeatedly starting on my computer both when the computer booted up and when it shutdown. In fact I couldn't even shut it down, all I could do is reboot into Linux and then shutdown. Also interesting is that Norton Firewall was knocked out. (And I wonder if the hacker or worm got in through Linux because I wasn't online in Windows very much. The Windows partition automatically mounts when Linux boots.) I've reformatted both computers in the last week. On both computers I have disabled the automatic use of passwords to both log onto the ISP, and then to get email. So now you have to type the password in at least twice to get email. This is inconvenient, and so my question is, am I being too paranoid? Is it really necessary to disable the feature that retains the password? Thank you. PS. I've got to use a password just to send this message. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Reinstalling GRUB
Can someone tell me how to reinstall GRUB from the command line? I had to reformat my Windows partition and so GRUB got eaten. I checked various documentation, and even asked SuSE Support how to reinstall GRUB, but no one has given me the answer. There is a simple command for reinstalling LILO. If I type /usr/sbin/grub I get a GRUB prompt, but then I don't know what to do next. I finally figured out how to do it with YAST, and so I'm okay. But I've seen too many GNOME and KDE GUI programs fail, and for something as important as installing a bootloader when Windows is in the neighborhood, I would feel more secure if I could reinstall GRUB from the command line. Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] PASSED
On Saturday 16 August 2003 11:02 pm, Ryan Castellucci wrote: Read the manpage for tune2fs if you want to adjust these paramaters. Thank you. I wondered how to do that. And if I install a new distro over this Mandrake 9.0 system, and format /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda8, will the problems disappear? Here I guess I wasn't clear in my question. It seems that normally instead of PASSED you get OK. So I assume that something must be wrong if you get less than OK. I was assuming that maybe there was some sort of file system corruption that led to the PASSED (which is between FAILED and OK), and was thinking that if the partition was reformatted, then the problem (Mark Kim does not see a problem.) might go away. (The two partitions involved will be reformatted in October when I replace this Mandrake system with SuSE.) Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] PASSED
After so many boots Linux does fsck. When this happens on my system I get PASSED for /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda8. What types of problems give rise to PASSED? And if I install a new distro over this Mandrake 9.0 system, and format /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda8, will the problems disappear? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Fwd: Re: [vox] HTML Email Questions
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [vox] HTML Email Questions Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:21:29 -0800 From: Rod Roark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 07 January 2003 10:47 am, Robert G. Scofield wrote: Here are some questions about sending email in HTML format. I have heard that there are security problems with email in HTML format. I read that a sender of HTML email can implant a program on the receiver's computer that will allow the sender to read all of the email that the receiver sends out to others. Is this true? Is this the main security concern with HTML email? I don't think that's a concern for Linux users. Probably the main security concern for us is that HTML in email can do things like fetching some URL from a web site which tells the web site owner that we got their email, and what our IP address is. If on the other hand you use MS Lookout, may God have mercy. Now the way to tell if an email is in HTML format is if it has fancy fonts and colors and italics, etc., is this correct? I see you use KMail... you can turn off Prefer HTML email in the security settings (a good idea anyway, for the reason noted above) and then you will see the raw HTML tags, if any, in the message. -- Rod http://www.sunsetsystems.com/ ___ vox mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox --- ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Fwd: Re: [vox] HTML Email Questions
-- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [vox] HTML Email Questions Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2003 11:09:40 -0800 From: Rick Moen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quoting Robert G. Scofield ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Here are some questions about sending email in HTML format. I have heard that there are security problems with email in HTML format. I read that a sender of HTML email can implant a program on the receiver's computer that will allow the sender to read all of the email that the receiver sends out to others. Is this true? Well, that's a bit fuzzy. Please see below. Is this the main security concern with HTML email? This page should adequately explain the security concerns (along with netiquette ones): http://expita.com/nomime.html Other people may help out by posting more-detailed references on the security aspects. Now the way to tell if an email is in HTML format is if it has fancy fonts and colors and italics, etc., is this correct? The easiest way to tell if an e-mail is in HTML is to look at it raw. Since you use KMail, select a message and then select View Source from the Messages menu. KMail is like many other graphical mail clients in making a distinction between message presentation and source (the raw form). -- Cheers, Why is the alphabet in that order? Is it because of that song? Rick Moen -- Steven Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ vox mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox --- ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] KDE? Or something more insidious....?
On Sunday 08 December 2002 08:28 am, Richard S. Crawford wrote: I came back from a week-long business trip in Santa Barbara to find that my RH7.2 box is acting kinda weird. You might try subscribing to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] While I have not been following the issue I've noticed (as I've been deleting the posts) that there have been complaints similar to yours. Some people feel that KDE is not working that well on Red Hat right now. There are people on that list that can help you out. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] Re: [vox] Linux Word Processors?
On Friday 06 December 2002 04:15 pm, Rick Moen wrote: If it'll help, I include a (too-brief) rundown on all available word processors for Linux as part of my Word Perfect for Linux FAQ, http://linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/ . Please see especially section 8.5 (What alternatives to WP exist on Linux?). As a WordPerfect fan I think your FAQ is great; really great, and I'll probably end up reading the whole thing. WordPerfect 8 for Linux is one of the two greatest wordprocessors I've ever seen. The other is WordPerfect 5.1 for DOS. WP 8 for Linux could do things that WP 8 for Windows couldn't do. It just seems like too much trouble to try to get it running on the old libraries. It seems that it would be better to switch to something with a future, and WordPerfect for Linux has no future. I had WP9 running before my / partition was reformatted. I've been debating whether to reinstall it, but I just can't bring myself to do it. Sometime ago another person on this list said that he took it off his machine because it was so bad. It is bad. I wish I had my $150 back from that purchase. I'd rather have $150 worth of single malt Scotch. I'm distressed to read on your FAQ that Gobe Productive is being taken over by someone else. I forked out $70 for the Windows version under an agreement to be given the now non-appearing Linux version. I even posted about four posts on this list bragging about the Windows version. I wish I could have that $70 back. Thanks to everyone who answered my post. To answer a question, I used to use Star Office 5.1. What bothered me was not the desktop approach. I thought it was a cumbersome and time consuming program. I don't know if open sourcing it will solve it's problems because the problems are in the design itself. I was always fighting the auto-correct and anticipation features. I turned some of them off, but was not always able to turn off all of them. Printing an envelope was unnecessarily difficult. There were two different ways to do it, and each was cumbersome. In WordPerfect if you have a letter on your screen with the address in it that you are sending it to, all it takes is two clicks and the envelope is printed. It's things like this that have led me to say that those who like Star Office have never really used a good word processor. While I don't like Star Office, I have always admired those of you who use it. The reason is that I have always seen the Star Office user as someone who was so divorced from Windows that he or she couldn't really understand what a good word processor was. But then again I'm a lawyer. And as Chris Di Bona once quipped at a LUGOD meeting, lawyers are the only group of computer users who are defined more by their choice of a word processor than they are by their choice of an operating system because they are so stuck on WordPerfect. Unfortunately, Chris's quip is outdated. I've read that only a shrinking minority of lawyer's now use Word Perfect. Such is life under the Dictatorship of the Market; the greatest word processor of them all is becoming extinct. Thanks again for *everyone's* post. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Sound Problem
I just installed RealPlayer8 and it's screwed up the sound in my system. The one thing I can still do is play the CD player okay and listen to music. However, there is now now sound when I start or leave KDE. Also RealPlayer did not do it's startup sound. I have deleted RealPlayer. This problem happened after a crash using Kongueror when I was trying to listen to a radio station. I also get some static now when logging onto Linux, and clicking on icons in KDE. I get these two error messages: Sound server warning message: Can't set real-time scheduling priority. You need to run artswrapper as root or setuid root. This means that you will likely not be able to produce acceptable sound (i.e. without clicks and breaks). Sound server informational message: sound server suspended When I log on as root and type artswrapper I get this message: running as realtime process now (priority 50) /tmp/mcop-bob is not owned by user If I type artswrapper when I am not root I get this message: Error while initializing the sound driver: device /dev/dsp can't be opened (Resource temporarily unavailable) Any ideas as to fix this? Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] supermount
On Wednesday 03 July 2002 07:35 pm, you wrote: i finally found a use for supermount. What does supermount do? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Broken K-Mail-Kongueror Connection
In my personal account on my system the connection between K-Mail and Konqueror is broken. Here's what I mean. If I receive an email with a URL in the body of it I can no longer click on the URL and bring up Konqueror. However, the connection is not broken in my business account. There I can still click on URL's in the body of an email and bring Kongueror up. Is there a simple way to fix this problem? I suppose I could open up a new personal account, move all of the files in my personal account to the new personal account and then delete the old personal account. But I was wondering if there was an easier solution. Thank you. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] RH keeps crashing
On Monday 22 April 2002 09:50 am, you wrote: Rod suggess checking the filesystems to make sure they are not full (good idea too) When you guys talk about the filesytems being full, do you mean that the hard disk is full? I once completely filled up a Red Hat system to the point where I'd get error messages that it could not write my files because there was no room. However, Linux worked flawlessly under these conditions unlike Windows which begins to crash with 150 megs or so of empty space left. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] epson printer issues
On Saturday 01 December 2001 04:41 pm, Pete Salzman wrote: it's been a long time since i used that monstrosity called star office, What wordprocessor are you using? What do you recommend for Linux? Are you using Latex? Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] umask
On Thursday 29 November 2001 02:34 pm, you wrote: On Thu, Nov 29, 2001 at 02:31:43PM -0800, Robert G. Scofield wrote: I'm trying to change the umask value in two of my accounts from 002 to 001. However, after I log out of each account the value reverts back to 002. How can I make the change to 001 permanent? You want to stick the call to the 'umask' command in your login script/conf (.bashrc, .bash_profile, .cshrc, or whatever) Okay, now I'm trying to change an 022 to a 002. In .bashrc I have this line: # User specific aliases and functions I tried putting umask 002 under this and nothing happened. So I guess I don't know what I'm doing. What do I put? What exactly is the call? Thanks, Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] umask
I'm trying to change the umask value in two of my accounts from 002 to 001. However, after I log out of each account the value reverts back to 002. How can I make the change to 001 permanent? Thank you, Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
Re: [vox-tech] umask
On Thursday 29 November 2001 08:21 pm, you wrote: Of course, you realize 001 means anyone can trample over any new file or directories you create, right? :) Yeah, I thought of that, and so decided not to change to 001. I changed the group of one account to the group of the other account instead. Thanks for the warning though. Bob ___ vox-tech mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.lugod.org/mailman/listinfo/vox-tech
[vox-tech] Opera Cut and Paste
Does anybody know how to cut and paste parts of web pages in Opera? If you use the "select all" from the Edit menu the entire page is selected, and you can cut and paste the entire page. If I try to cut and paste a small part, it doesn't work. When I drag the mouse over the part to be cut, the part is highlighted, but then the highlighting disappears when I release the mouse button. Opera seems to be the best browser (by far) that I've used so far, but I really need to cut and paste for the work that I'm doing. Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Mouse Question
My Microsoft Intellimouse which came with this computer in 1997, is beginning to act like those Mac mice do when they're dirty. When you move the mouse the arrow on the screen stalls out every once in a while. So I took the ball out and there was a lot of lint and dirt inside of the mouse. I vacumed out the opening of the mouse and cleaned the ball with alcohol and a Q-tip. Suprisingly, however, the mouse is working just like it did. Does that mean it's time to buy a new mouse? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Uninstalling
First, since I'm using Mozilla mail now, there's a risk that this may come out as HTML like my Netscape 6 posts did last week. In theory it won't, but if it does I'll correct it. After demonstrating Netscape 6 to my wife next Sunday I'm going to uninstall it. I had a couple of questions about uninstalling programs. Netscape 6 is in /usr/local/netscape/. So I thought I would just go to /usr/local/ and type rm -rf. Now when trying to install a plugin on Netscape 6, and Mozilla, I discovered that I have at least one symbolic link. So what are you supposed to do about symbolically linked files when you are uninstalling a program? The linked file in Netscape 6 is no big deal because the linked file is in several sub directories below, so the rm -rf will wipe out the linked files. But suppose you had linked files outside of the directory of the program that you were uninstalling? You don't take hours trying to find the linked files and deleting them do you? Here's what I think. Tell me if this is right. If you have linked files outside of the directory of the program that you're trying to uninstall, they were probably put there by the OS before your program was installed. To delete those files means that you'd be deleting something that another program might need. For example deleting a file linked from Netscape might ruin StarOffice. Is this the right account? Is uninstalling a program by using rm -rf for its directory the right way to unintall? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Help Lost My GUI
I need some serious help. I was playing around with the Gnome Desktop Switching Tool and went from Gnome to some unpleasant GUI called "Fvwm." Now I'm stuck there. I keep trying the Desktop Switchwing Tool in Fvwm, but it doesn't work. It's broken. It looks like I'm going to have to make the switch frm Fvwm to Gnome by way of the command line. Can someone explain to me how to do it? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Laptop Install
Okay, I got the messages about my HTML posts. Hopefully, the problem has been corrected. If not, then I'll try again. Here's my question. If one installs Linux on a laptopp, does one always need a PCMCIA boot diskette, or does it depend on whether or not your laptop is configured to boot by way of a CD-ROM? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Java Plugin for NS 6.0
Has anybody here sucessfully installed the Java Runtime Plug-in for Netscape 6.0? If so, can you tell me how to do it. When I get the plugin installed, Netscape will not even start. So I have to delete the plug-in to use Netscape. Obviously I'm doing something wrong. Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Pasting From Netscape Revisited
This is a follow up to the recent thread on pasting from Netscape. I've just installed Netscape 6.1, and while I think it has some problems it does paste well to WordPerfect8. That means that Pete Salzman was correct in blaming my difficulty in pasting from Netscape 4.7 on Netscape itself. However, the fact still remains that Netscape 4.7 does paste well into StarOffice 5.1. So I guess that good pasting depends on both the application being pasted from, and the application being pasted to. I guess, I really don't know. Netscape 6.1 seems a little buggy to me. But there is no question that it does a good job pasting. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Mcopy
When Iuse mcopy to copy a file from my hard drive to a floppy, and there is already a file with the same name on the floppy, I'm given these two options: o)verite O)verite-all What isthe difference between these two? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Pasting From Netscape
I've been working on a couple of projects where I paste textual material from Netscape into a word processor. I've made a disturbing discovery. This works better on Windows than Linux. For example, if in Windows I paste textual material from Netscape into either WordPerfect or MS Word the material is transplanted without problem. However when, in Linux, I paste from Netscape to WordPerfect 8 for Linux I get broken lines like this: "Mary had a little lamb whose fleece was white as snow, and everywhere that Mary went the lamb was sure to go." This makes it inefficient to use Linux because I have to use "Backspace" to put the lines in order. In other words, in the example above, I have to put the cursor in front of "lamb" on the second line and use "Backspace" to move material up to the line above. For me, this is actually a big problem because given the work Iexpect to be doing it will make the difference whether my next system will be a pure Linux system or a dual boot. Can anybody explain why Linux does not work as well as Windows in this case? Is there something I can do to fix this problem? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] Run Level Question
If one were using Linux as a workstation only, and the only network one used was the internet, would there be any advantage in using run level 2 as the default run level instead of run level 3? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] .bashrc alias
I hate to bother you pros with such an easy question, but Ican't figure out how to do this. I'm trying to get the ls command to work automatically with the color option. According to page 110 of the February issue of Linux Magazine, all you have to do is add this line to .bashrc: alias ls = ls -a -color It doesn't work. I've tried different variations of this and they don't work. I've got RedHat 6.1, and I've discovered that to temporarily get ls to work in color I have to put two dashes in front of "color"; like this: ls --color. But this doesn't work in .bashrc if I use it in the way suggested by Linux Magazine. So can one of you please tell me the right way to do it? Thank you. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] RPM Question
Here's an rpm question. I went to RPM Find to look for a program. There were 36 versions of this program listed. Each version was correlated to a Linux distribution. I run Red Hat 6.1. There were no versions of the program for Red Hat 6.1. There were versions for Mandrake, Mandrake Cooker, Red Hat 7.0, and Red Hat 6.2. Will one of these work on Red Hat 6.1? If so, I assume that I should download the version for Red Hat 6.2 since that's the closest. Is that right, or would I download the version for Red Hat 7.0 because it's more recent? BTW, the program I'm trying to get, anacron, is not one that is already running on my machine. Thanks for any help. Bob -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[vox-tech] [Fwd: latex]
I am forwarding this Latex question for a friend of mine. Can someone help him out? Thank you. Bob Ron Pritchard wrote: Hi Bob, Could you do me a favor and post a question for Lugod. I am having trouble figuring something out and am getting to my wits end. The question is below. I am trying to add a package to Latex. The package is lingmacros.sty. I have put this in its own directory as follows /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/lingmacros/ My first question is whether this the correct way to install an .sty file. If it is, I am still having another problem. Latex still can't find the package. I think there must be some command that makes latex update, but I am not sure what it is. I have tried initex -u but it doesn't work. Does anyone out there know how to solve this? Thanks in advance. -- Robert G. Scofield [EMAIL PROTECTED]
