Re: iCloud Problems 6 Mar 2020

[Ronni Brown]

Hi  Matt,

> my “Apple ID is being used to sign in to a device near Wembley, WA” is 
> nowhere near where I live in Noranda, is this normal? 

Your location is reported by your ISP, so if their server you are linking 
through is elsewhere, that is the location reported. As long as you were 
signing in at the time, it isn't a problem.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 6 Mar 2020, at 4:55 pm, Matt Falvey  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni, I tried those suggestions and although the steps and sequence were 
> not quite the same I think you have sorted it. Thank you.
> 
> It would not send me the recovery key to my phone or iPad, but each time I 
> retried it I had a noise indicating that it had been sent just could not find 
> it, then about ten minutes after I had fixed things after an option of typing 
> the new password into the screen appeared, 5 or 6 new recovery codes hit the 
> phone and pad in a few seconds.
> 
> One thing I did notice and it has happened frequently when signing in, is 
> that the warning that my “Apple ID is being used to sign in to a device near 
> Wembley, WA” is nowhere near where I live in Noranda, is this normal? I 
> thought with device tracking it would know exactly where I was.
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Matt.
> 
>> 
>>  1. iCloud Problems (Matt Falvey)
>>  2. Re: iCloud Problems (Ronni Brown)
>> 
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>> 
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:42:00 +0800
>> From: Ronni Brown 
>> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
>> Subject: Re: iCloud Problems
>> Message-ID: <11577bd8-2de1-482d-bc6d-730b85c2b...@mac.com>
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>> 
>> Hi Matt,
>> Did you setup with ?two-step verification?
>> If so you should have a ?Recovery Key?
>> 
>> Accounts with two-step verification
>> Go to your Apple ID account page and click "Forgot Apple ID or password."
>> Enter your Apple ID, select the option to reset your password, then choose 
>> Continue. ... 
>> Enter your Recovery Key for two-step verification.*
>> Choose a trusted device. ... 
>> Enter the verification code.
>> 
>> Kind Regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> ? Ronni Brown?s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 6 Mar 2020, at 8:36 am, Matt Falvey  wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?Hi, I regularly get messages telling me that ?This Mac can?t connect to 
>>> iCloud because of a problem with ?my email address? Open iCloud preferences 
>>> to fix this problem.
>>> 
>>> I have two options ?Later? and ?iCloud Preferences? 
>>> 
>>> I choose iCloud Preferences and it tells me ?Enter the Apple ID password 
>>> for ?my email account? , The password for ?my email account? needs to be 
>>> updated.
>>> 
>>> I use my stored password and it doesn?t work. So I go to the reset password 
>>> option and it tells me I can reset the password using the password I use to 
>>> unlock the computer, I try this and get a spinning wheel of death.
>>> 
>>> In the meantime and every time I have the same message I look at System 
>>> Preferences and iCloud and it has my photo and my email address there and 
>>> the option to ?Sign Out? at the bottom, which would indicate to me that I 
>>> am already signed in. 
>>> 
>>> But when I go the Account details, under General it has my name and Apple 
>>> ID. But once I press Contact I get the message, ?Enter your password to 
>>> make changes to your account? and it prompts me to enter the password for 
>>> my email account that it hasn?t recognised previously.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas for a solution anyone?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matt. 
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Re: iCloud Problems 6 Mar 2020

[Matt Falvey]

Hi Ronni, I tried those suggestions and although the steps and sequence were 
not quite the same I think you have sorted it. Thank you.

It would not send me the recovery key to my phone or iPad, but each time I 
retried it I had a noise indicating that it had been sent just could not find 
it, then about ten minutes after I had fixed things after an option of typing 
the new password into the screen appeared, 5 or 6 new recovery codes hit the 
phone and pad in a few seconds.

One thing I did notice and it has happened frequently when signing in, is that 
the warning that my “Apple ID is being used to sign in to a device near 
Wembley, WA” is nowhere near where I live in Noranda, is this normal? I thought 
with device tracking it would know exactly where I was.

Thanks again.

Matt.
 
> 
>   1. iCloud Problems (Matt Falvey)
>   2. Re: iCloud Problems (Ronni Brown)
> 
> -
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 11:42:00 +0800
> From: Ronni Brown 
> To: wamug@wamug.org.au
> Subject: Re: iCloud Problems
> Message-ID: <11577bd8-2de1-482d-bc6d-730b85c2b...@mac.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hi Matt,
> Did you setup with ?two-step verification?
> If so you should have a ?Recovery Key?
> 
> Accounts with two-step verification
> Go to your Apple ID account page and click "Forgot Apple ID or password."
> Enter your Apple ID, select the option to reset your password, then choose 
> Continue. ... 
> Enter your Recovery Key for two-step verification.*
> Choose a trusted device. ... 
> Enter the verification code.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Ronni
> 
> ? Ronni Brown?s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
>> On 6 Mar 2020, at 8:36 am, Matt Falvey  wrote:
>> 
>> ?Hi, I regularly get messages telling me that ?This Mac can?t connect to 
>> iCloud because of a problem with ?my email address? Open iCloud preferences 
>> to fix this problem.
>> 
>> I have two options ?Later? and ?iCloud Preferences? 
>> 
>> I choose iCloud Preferences and it tells me ?Enter the Apple ID password for 
>> ?my email account? , The password for ?my email account? needs to be updated.
>> 
>> I use my stored password and it doesn?t work. So I go to the reset password 
>> option and it tells me I can reset the password using the password I use to 
>> unlock the computer, I try this and get a spinning wheel of death.
>> 
>> In the meantime and every time I have the same message I look at System 
>> Preferences and iCloud and it has my photo and my email address there and 
>> the option to ?Sign Out? at the bottom, which would indicate to me that I am 
>> already signed in. 
>> 
>> But when I go the Account details, under General it has my name and Apple 
>> ID. But once I press Contact I get the message, ?Enter your password to make 
>> changes to your account? and it prompts me to enter the password for my 
>> email account that it hasn?t recognised previously.
>> 
>> Any ideas for a solution anyone?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Matt. 
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Re: iCloud Problems

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Matt,
Did you setup with ‘two-step verification?
If so you should have a ‘Recovery Key’

Accounts with two-step verification
Go to your Apple ID account page and click "Forgot Apple ID or password."
Enter your Apple ID, select the option to reset your password, then choose 
Continue. ... 
Enter your Recovery Key for two-step verification.*
Choose a trusted device. ... 
Enter the verification code.

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 6 Mar 2020, at 8:36 am, Matt Falvey  wrote:
> 
> Hi, I regularly get messages telling me that “This Mac can’t connect to 
> iCloud because of a problem with “my email address” Open iCloud preferences 
> to fix this problem.
> 
> I have two options “Later” and “iCloud Preferences” 
> 
> I choose iCloud Preferences and it tells me “Enter the Apple ID password for 
> “my email account” , The password for “my email account” needs to be updated.
> 
> I use my stored password and it doesn’t work. So I go to the reset password 
> option and it tells me I can reset the password using the password I use to 
> unlock the computer, I try this and get a spinning wheel of death.
> 
> In the meantime and every time I have the same message I look at System 
> Preferences and iCloud and it has my photo and my email address there and the 
> option to “Sign Out” at the bottom, which would indicate to me that I am 
> already signed in. 
> 
> But when I go the Account details, under General it has my name and Apple ID. 
> But once I press Contact I get the message, “Enter your password to make 
> changes to your account” and it prompts me to enter the password for my email 
> account that it hasn’t recognised previously.
> 
> Any ideas for a solution anyone?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Matt. 
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Re: iCloud

[Ronni Brown]

That’s good to hear Peter.

Kind regards,
Ronni

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> On 3 Apr 2019, at 4:08 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> That fixed it, signing in via iCloud.com
> Thank you for your assistance.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 3 Apr 2019, at 2:29 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
>> Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
>>• If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or 
>> two-step verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to 
>> your device.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Ronni
>>> Thank you for your response.
>>> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
>>> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I 
>>> try turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
 On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable 
 to reply to your message.
 Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
 
 Confirm which feature you're using
 If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
 verification, use these steps: 
   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
   • In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
 two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
 
 If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, 
 then turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is 
 on, then you're already set up. 
 
 Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
 two-step verification. Use these steps: 
   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
   • In the Security section, click Edit.
   • Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
 
 You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
 
 Kind regards,
 Ronni
 
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> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> Thank you for your suggestion!
> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and 
> choose iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System 
> Preferences and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s 
> asking me to put in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the 
> roundabout of it asking for Apple ID and Password continually. The 
> options of General, Contact, Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
> So I still have the same problem.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this 
>> out once and for all.
>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
>>> in there.
>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to 
>>> the Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and 
>>> got the same result! 
>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, 
>>> when supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to 
>>> ask for Apple ID and Password again.
>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered 
>>> correctly, but no change.
>>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no 
>>> problem.
>>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it 
>>> but it pops up on my screen regularly.
>>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 

Re: iCloud

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Ronni
That fixed it, signing in via iCloud.com
Thank you for your assistance.
Kind regards
Peter

> On 3 Apr 2019, at 2:29 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
> Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
>   • If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or 
> two-step verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to 
> your device.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ronni
>> Thank you for your response.
>> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
>> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
>> turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> 
>>> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
>>> reply to your message.
>>> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
>>> 
>>> Confirm which feature you're using
>>> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
>>> verification, use these steps: 
>>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>• In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
>>> two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
>>> 
>>> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, 
>>> then turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, 
>>> then you're already set up. 
>>> 
>>> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
>>> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>>• In the Security section, click Edit.
>>>• Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
>>> 
>>> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Peter
 Thank you for your suggestion!
 I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
 according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
 iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System 
 Preferences and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s 
 asking me to put in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the 
 roundabout of it asking for Apple ID and Password continually. The options 
 of General, Contact, Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
 So I still have the same problem.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 
> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
> wrote:
> 
> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this 
> out once and for all.
> 
>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
>> in there.
>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
>> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to 
>> the Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got 
>> the same result! 
>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, 
>> when supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to 
>> ask for Apple ID and Password again.
>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>> but no change.
>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but 
>> it pops up on my screen regularly.
>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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Re: iCloud

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

Can you sign into iCloud.com ?
Did you correctly enter the latest code sent?
If you set up your Apple ID to require two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, make sure you correctly enter the latest code sent to your device.

Kind regards,
Ronni

 Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 


> On 3 Apr 2019, at 1:06 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Ronni
> Thank you for your response.
> I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already 
> set up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
> turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
>> reply to your message.
>> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
>> 
>> Confirm which feature you're using
>> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
>> verification, use these steps: 
>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>• In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or two-step 
>> verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
>> 
>> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
>> turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
>> you're already set up. 
>> 
>> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
>> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>>• Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>>• In the Security section, click Edit.
>>• Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
>> 
>> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Peter
>>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
>>> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
>>> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put 
>>> in my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking 
>>> for Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, 
>>> Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>>> So I still have the same problem.
>>> Kind regards
>>> Peter
>>> 
>>> 
 On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
 wrote:
 
 Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
 once and for all.
 
> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon 
> in there.
> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
> supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the 
> Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the 
> same result! 
> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
> Apple ID and Password again.
> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
> but no change.
> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but 
> it pops up on my screen regularly.
> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
> I would appreciate any thoughts?
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
 FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
 Perth, Western Australia
 Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
 
 Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.
 
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Re: iCloud

[Peter Curtis]

Hi Ronni
Thank you for your response.
I managed to get into the Apple ID account page OK only to find I’m already set 
up for two factor authentication, the problem still exists. Should I try 
turning off the two factor authentication and then turning it back on?
Kind regards
Peter

> On 2 Apr 2019, at 8:48 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
> reply to your message.
> Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.
> 
> Confirm which feature you're using
> If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
> verification, use these steps: 
>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>   • In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or 
> two-step verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 
> 
> If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
> turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
> you're already set up. 
> 
> Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off 
> two-step verification. Use these steps: 
>   • Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
>   • In the Security section, click Edit.
>   • Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.
> 
> You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
>  https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ronni
> 
>  Ronni Brown’s iPad Pro 12.9-inch 256GB 
> 
> 
> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Peter
>> Thank you for your suggestion!
>> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
>> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
>> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
>> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in 
>> my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for 
>> Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, 
>> Security, Devices and Payment aren’t there?
>> So I still have the same problem.
>> Kind regards
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
>>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
>>> once and for all.
>>> 
 On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
 
 Hi
 I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
 MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
 there.
 I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on 
 supplying this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the 
 Apple ID screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the 
 same result! 
 I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
 Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
 circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
 supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
 Apple ID and Password again.
 I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
 but no change.
 I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
 If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but 
 it pops up on my screen regularly.
 I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
 just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
 I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
 I would appreciate any thoughts?
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>>> Perth, Western Australia
>>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>>> 
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Hi Peter,

Peter H would be attending the WAMUG AGM meeting tonight, so unavailable to 
reply to your message.
Setup two-factor authentication from your Apple ID account page.

Confirm which feature you're using
If you're not sure if you set up two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, use these steps: 
Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
In the Security section, look for two-factor authentication or two-step 
verification, then see if the feature is off or on. 

If two-step verification is on, continue with the steps to turn it off, then 
turn on two-factor authentication. If two-factor authentication is on, then 
you're already set up. 

Before you can turn on two-factor authentication, you need to turn off two-step 
verification. Use these steps: 
Sign in to your Apple ID account page.
In the Security section, click Edit.
Click Turn Off Two-Step Verification. Click again to confirm.

You can Follow the full instructions at this Apple support link:
 https://support.apple.com/en-au/HT207198

Kind regards,
Ronni

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> On 2 Apr 2019, at 7:57 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter
> Thank you for your suggestion!
> I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
> according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
> iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences 
> and iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in 
> my Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for 
> Apple ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, Security, 
> Devices and Payment aren’t there?
> So I still have the same problem.
> Kind regards
> Peter
> 
> 
>> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
>> once and for all.
>> 
>>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
>>> there.
>>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
>>> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
>>> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same 
>>> result! 
>>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>>> Apple ID and Password again.
>>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, 
>>> but no change.
>>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
>>> pops up on my screen regularly.
>>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, 
>>> just the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
>> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
>> Perth, Western Australia
>> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
>> 
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Hi Peter
Thank you for your suggestion!
I don’t have two-factor authentication set up and when I try to set it up 
according to APPLE instructions I must go to System Preferences and choose 
iCloud, then Security. Only problem is that when I go to System Preferences and 
iCloud there is no option to select Security as it’s asking me to put in my 
Apple ID then Password and then I go on the roundabout of it asking for Apple 
ID and Password continually. The options of General, Contact, Security, Devices 
and Payment aren’t there?
So I still have the same problem.
Kind regards
Peter


> On 1 Apr 2019, at 8:32 am, Peter Hinchliffe  wrote:
> 
> Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out 
> once and for all.
> 
>> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my 
>> MacBookPro, on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in 
>> there.
>> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
>> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
>> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same result! 
>> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
>> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red 
>> circle with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when 
>> supplied with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for 
>> Apple ID and Password again.
>> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, but 
>> no change.
>> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
>> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
>> pops up on my screen regularly.
>> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, just 
>> the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
>> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
>> I would appreciate any thoughts?
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
> FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
> Perth, Western Australia
> Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948
> 
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[Peter Hinchliffe]

Do you have two-factor authentication set up? This will help sort this out once 
and for all.

> On 31 Mar 2019, at 2:59 pm, Peter Curtis  wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I have a red circle with a 1 in it on my System Preferences on my MacBookPro, 
> on going into preferences this symbol is on the iCloud icon in there.
> I clicked onto this and it asked for my Apple ID and Password, on supplying 
> this the computer thought for a while and then went back to the Apple ID 
> screen again. I re entered my ID and Password again and got the same result! 
> I used the ‘Forgot Apple ID or password’ option and reset my password.
> Back to the iCloud icon in System Preferences (which still had the red circle 
> with the 1 in it) and was asked for my Apple ID and Password, when supplied 
> with that it thought for a while again and then reset to ask for Apple ID and 
> Password again.
> I have done this several times to ensure that all was entered correctly, but 
> no change.
> I can access the App Store with the new Apple ID and Password no problem.
> If it was just in the System Preferences I would/could just leave it but it 
> pops up on my screen regularly.
> I don’t actually use iCloud, so loss of any information is not a worry, just 
> the annoying pop up and of course curiosity?
> I have made no changes to the computer that I’m aware of.
> I would appreciate any thoughts?

Kind regards,

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

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Re: iCloud Contacts copying to Family member

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for this Ronni, I will hang into this info and check it against the 
phone when I get home in a few weeks.

Regards

Peter.
> On 4 Oct 2017, at 12:37 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> I’m not sure what you have done here… In Family Sharing - Contacts is NOT 
> shared?
> Is your daughter’s iPhone 4 on iOS 9.? I think iPhone 4 can’t go above iOS 9
> 
> Your daughter uses her iCloud username and iCloud email address  
> usern...@icloud.com  (which will become the 
> child’s Apple ID) 
> Your email address is the ‘rescue email address’ for your daughter’s account.
> 
> Turn off iCloud Contacts syncing. To prevent contacts from syncing between 
> devices that share the same Apple ID and iCloud account, go to Settings > 
> iCloud and make sure Contacts is not switched on.
> 
> If you find you need to Restore your Contacts after your daughter deletes 
> your contacts from her iPhone
> 
> Restore your contacts
> You can restore your contacts and contact groups from an earlier version that 
> was automatically archived in iCloud.
>   • Go to Settings on iCloud.com , then 
> click Restore Contacts (in the Advanced section).
> Available versions are listed by the date and time they were archived.
>   • To the right of the version you want to restore, click Restore.
> There may be more versions than can be shown at once. Scroll to see more.
>   • 
> Note: Wait until iCloud finishes restoring your contacts before you change 
> them. While it’s restoring them, any changes you make aren’t saved.
> The restored contacts and contact groups appear on all your devices set up 
> for iCloud Contacts. 
> 
> If you change your mind, you can restore the contacts you were using. Just 
> follow the steps above to restore the most recent version available.
> 
> Hope this helps you sort the Contacts problem.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ronni
> 
> 
>> On 3 Oct 2017, at 7:48 pm, Peter Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> On the weekend, I Set up an iPhone 4 for my daughter. She is under 13 and so 
>> has an underage Family membership which is subordinate to myself as the 
>> Family organiser. She has her own email address as well as iCloud email 
>> address. 
>> 
>> When I logged the iPhone into iCloud using her email address and then 
>> checked Contacts, I saw the 2000+ contacts of mine in her phone. There is 
>> nothing wrong with this but she has probably 3 Contacts that matter so she 
>> doesn’t want all my clutter. 
>> 
>> Maybe I’ve set something wrong myself but I can’t see the reason for the 
>> overlap for another persons device other than a Family association causing 
>> this. 
>> 
>> Anyone have any clues how I can clear out Contacts in her phone and start 
>> afresh?
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> 
>> Pete
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Hi Peter,

I’m not sure what you have done here… In Family Sharing - Contacts is NOT 
shared?
Is your daughter’s iPhone 4 on iOS 9.? I think iPhone 4 can’t go above iOS 9

Your daughter uses her iCloud username and iCloud email address  
usern...@icloud.com  (which will become the child’s 
Apple ID) 
Your email address is the ‘rescue email address’ for your daughter’s account.

Turn off iCloud Contacts syncing. To prevent contacts from syncing between 
devices that share the same Apple ID and iCloud account, go to Settings > 
iCloud and make sure Contacts is not switched on.

If you find you need to Restore your Contacts after your daughter deletes your 
contacts from her iPhone

Restore your contacts
You can restore your contacts and contact groups from an earlier version that 
was automatically archived in iCloud.
• Go to Settings on iCloud.com , then 
click Restore Contacts (in the Advanced section).
Available versions are listed by the date and time they were archived.
• To the right of the version you want to restore, click Restore.
There may be more versions than can be shown at once. Scroll to see more.
• 
Note: Wait until iCloud finishes restoring your contacts before you change 
them. While it’s restoring them, any changes you make aren’t saved.
The restored contacts and contact groups appear on all your devices set up for 
iCloud Contacts. 

If you change your mind, you can restore the contacts you were using. Just 
follow the steps above to restore the most recent version available.

Hope this helps you sort the Contacts problem.

Cheers,

Ronni


> On 3 Oct 2017, at 7:48 pm, Peter Crisp  wrote:
> 
> On the weekend, I Set up an iPhone 4 for my daughter. She is under 13 and so 
> has an underage Family membership which is subordinate to myself as the 
> Family organiser. She has her own email address as well as iCloud email 
> address. 
> 
> When I logged the iPhone into iCloud using her email address and then checked 
> Contacts, I saw the 2000+ contacts of mine in her phone. There is nothing 
> wrong with this but she has probably 3 Contacts that matter so she doesn’t 
> want all my clutter. 
> 
> Maybe I’ve set something wrong myself but I can’t see the reason for the 
> overlap for another persons device other than a Family association causing 
> this. 
> 
> Anyone have any clues how I can clear out Contacts in her phone and start 
> afresh?
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> Pete

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[Ronda Brown]

Oh Severin, 
You are too kind with your praise... but hey... I really appreciate it 

Kind Regards,
Ronni

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> On 10 May 2017, at 4:49 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> As usual - the Oracle spoke, the servant obeyed and after that all was well!  
>  
> Many thanks as usual Ronni!  
> Severin
> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10 May 2017, at 15:49, Ronni Brown  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Severin, I now understand.
>> I’m not sure, but if no-one else has any suggestion, it might be worth 
>> trying this:
>> You do have a current BACKUP?...
>> 
>> On the MacBook Air
>> 1. Go to System Preferences > iCloud.
>> 2. Click 'Sign Out'.  You’ll have to respond to a long series of prompts 
>> asking whether various data should be kept on your Mac or deleted.  Answer 
>> however you like; you will  be restoring all that data in just a moment, 
>> anyway.
>> 3. Restart your Mac. (Don’t skip this step!)
>> 4. Return to System Preferences > iCloud and 'sign back in'
>> 5. Reenable all the iCloud features you want to use.
>> 
>> More often than not (but no guarantees), this process will solve random 
>> iCloud problems.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>>> On 10 May 2017, at 2:29 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
>>> 
>>> To clarify:-
>>> I can sign in to iCloud on all 4 devices and my username and password 
>>> are accepted on all.  
>>> When viewing Settings/iCloud/Photos/Options on the MacAir and I  try to 
>>> alter a setting, the setting is changed but asking for confirmatory PW it 
>>> is rejected
>>> 
>>> Sorry I was not clear on this.  
>>> Severin
>>> 
 On 10 May 2017, at 12:38 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
 
 Hi Severin,
 
> On 9 May 2017, at 2:29 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I have 4 Macs, 2 iOS and 2 OSX.  On all four I can sign in and get in to 
> my account - i.e. my email address and Apple password are accepted by 
> iCloud.  
 
 So no problems signing in to your iCloud Account on all four units - ie 2 
 iDevices & 2 computers.
 
> I tried to change one of the options for Photos on my MacAir and it will 
> not accept my password.  
 
 I don’t understand your above comment? 
 Are you in Photos.app on the MacBook Air? What option were you trying to 
 change?
 Is it asking for your MacBook Air User Account password?
 
 
> What have I missed that needs setting up?
> Severin Crisp
> 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
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> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au
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To clarify:-
I can sign in to iCloud on all 4 devices and my username and password 
are accepted on all.  
When viewing Settings/iCloud/Photos/Options on the MacAir and I  try to 
alter a setting, the setting is changed but asking for confirmatory PW it is 
rejected

Sorry I was not clear on this.  
Severin

> On 10 May 2017, at 12:38 pm, Ronni Brown  wrote:
> 
> Hi Severin,
> 
>> On 9 May 2017, at 2:29 pm, Severin Crisp > > wrote:
>> 
>> I have 4 Macs, 2 iOS and 2 OSX.  On all four I can sign in and get in to my 
>> account - i.e. my email address and Apple password are accepted by iCloud.  
> 
> So no problems signing in to your iCloud Account on all four units - ie 2 
> iDevices & 2 computers.
> 
>> I tried to change one of the options for Photos on my MacAir and it will not 
>> accept my password.  
> 
> I don’t understand your above comment? 
> Are you in Photos.app on the MacBook Air? What option were you trying to 
> change?
> Is it asking for your MacBook Air User Account password?
> 
> 
>> What have I missed that needs setting up?
>> Severin Crisp
>> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
> 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
> 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
> 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
> 
> macOS Sierra 10.12.4
> 
>> 
>> 
>>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
>> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Severin,

> On 9 May 2017, at 2:29 pm, Severin Crisp  wrote:
> 
> I have 4 Macs, 2 iOS and 2 OSX.  On all four I can sign in and get in to my 
> account - i.e. my email address and Apple password are accepted by iCloud.  

So no problems signing in to your iCloud Account on all four units - ie 2 
iDevices & 2 computers.

> I tried to change one of the options for Photos on my MacAir and it will not 
> accept my password.  

I don’t understand your above comment? 
Are you in Photos.app on the MacBook Air? What option were you trying to change?
Is it asking for your MacBook Air User Account password?


> What have I missed that needs setting up?
> Severin Crisp
> 
Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage

macOS Sierra 10.12.4

> 
> 
>  Assoc Prof R Severin Crisp, FAIP, FIP, CPhys
> 15 Thomas St, Mount Clarence, Albany, 6330, Western Australia
>   ph (08) 9842 1950 ( Int'l +61 8 9842 1950)
>mail to: sevcr...@westnet.com.au 
> 
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Hi Stephen,

iCloud Drive is not a Dropbox replacement. I have not moved from Dropbox to 
iCloud Drive. 
And I really can't see myself using iCloud Drive in the near future - as I 
don't use the iOS versions of Pages, Numbers, Keynote.

A couple of quick points:
1. It should be noted that iCloud Drive requires iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, so 
legacy devices running Mavericks or iOS 7 will not be able to keep their 
documents up to date with other devices. 
In addition, once a user has upgraded to iCloud Drive, they cannot downgrade 
back to Documents in the Cloud.

http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264

2. iCloud Drive Is Not a Dropbox Replacement

The two services work differently. Take sharing, for instance. iCloud is 
generally all about sharing, but it’s mostly about sharing your stuff with your 
devices: that is, sharing the same stuff (calendars, music, mail, your budget 
in Numbers, and your half-finished novel in Pages) among all of your devices. 
Sharing stuff with other people, even other iCloud users, is not easy, and 
worse, the options are limited and tightly focused (such as specific photo 
streams or explicitly shared documents in Pages or Numbers).

Dropbox, on the other hand, lets you share folders and all the documents 
therein with other Dropbox users -  for collaboration with others working on 
the same project, writing, editing etc. Doing the same thing with iCloud Drive 
would be impossible.

iCloud, unlike Dropbox, doesn’t store previous versions of a file (though some 
individual apps do), nor does it let you restore deleted files.

Most importantly, though, iCloud Drive is not just a file sharing service. 
Remember that apps on both Mac and iOS have a lot to say about what you can do 
with their app libraries. This means that the Finder, in order to create the 
illusion that iCloud Drive is just another drive with a bunch of folders and 
yet respect those individual apps’ rights and requirements concerning their own 
stuff, can behave unpredictably. You can’t tell by sight, for example, which 
app libraries will accept which files until you try them.

Cheers,
Ronni

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 Hi folks,
 
 Just interested if anyone has moved from Dropbox to iCloud Drive ?
 And if so what you feel are the pros and cons ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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 Windows because my employer knew no better
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Re: iCloud Drive

[Stephen Chape]

WOW Ronni !
Well I feel that my requirements are very much like yours.
Particularly in that I don’t use P, N or K.
So thank you for your input …. I will retain Dropbox as my PDF and MS Office 
offsite backup.
That is my main purpose for it after all.


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 Hi Stephen,
 
 iCloud Drive is not a Dropbox replacement. I have not moved from Dropbox to 
 iCloud Drive. 
 And I really can't see myself using iCloud Drive in the near future - as I 
 don't use the iOS versions of Pages, Numbers, Keynote.
 
 A couple of quick points:
 1. It should be noted that iCloud Drive requires iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, so 
 legacy devices running Mavericks or iOS 7 will not be able to keep their 
 documents up to date with other devices. 
 In addition, once a user has upgraded to iCloud Drive, they cannot downgrade 
 back to Documents in the Cloud.
 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264 
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264
 
 2. iCloud Drive Is Not a Dropbox Replacement
 
 The two services work differently. Take sharing, for instance. iCloud is 
 generally all about sharing, but it’s mostly about sharing your stuff with 
 your devices: that is, sharing the same stuff (calendars, music, mail, your 
 budget in Numbers, and your half-finished novel in Pages) among all of your 
 devices. Sharing stuff with other people, even other iCloud users, is not 
 easy, and worse, the options are limited and tightly focused (such as 
 specific photo streams or explicitly shared documents in Pages or Numbers).
 
 Dropbox, on the other hand, lets you share folders and all the documents 
 therein with other Dropbox users -  for collaboration with others working on 
 the same project, writing, editing etc. Doing the same thing with iCloud 
 Drive would be impossible.
 
 iCloud, unlike Dropbox, doesn’t store previous versions of a file (though 
 some individual apps do), nor does it let you restore deleted files.
 
 Most importantly, though, iCloud Drive is not just a file sharing service. 
 Remember that apps on both Mac and iOS have a lot to say about what you can 
 do with their app libraries. This means that the Finder, in order to create 
 the illusion that iCloud Drive is just another drive with a bunch of folders 
 and yet respect those individual apps’ rights and requirements concerning 
 their own stuff, can behave unpredictably. You can’t tell by sight, for 
 example, which app libraries will accept which files until you try them.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 13 Dec 2014, at 9:56 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com 
 mailto:chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 Just interested if anyone has moved from Dropbox to iCloud Drive ?
 And if so what you feel are the pros and cons ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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Re: iCloud Drive

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stephen,

Dropbox - My Work Strategy - My work wherever I am: 

I use iWork’09 (Not iWork’13) - Pages, Numbers  Keynote. My tutorials are 
produced in Pages’09.
I work on Two Computers - a 17” MacBook Pro (which is my main “Home Base” Mac) 
and a MacBook Air (which is my “Out  About,  Work” Mac).

I can be working on a Pages or Numbers project on either computer, so need the 
projects kept in Sync.
I have a Folder in Dropbox named - “Work In Progress” which holds the documents 
I’m working on.
So all my work files are the same no matter where I’m working from. 
Which means I can start working on a document on my MacBook Pro (at Home Base) 
and continue working on it on my MacBook Air (wherever I am).

I can review a document or spreadsheet at any time on either computer, or share 
the document to a colleague.  
And if I finish a project and export is as a PDF I can read it on my iOS 
devices. Dropbox syncs to my iOS devices as well as my computers.

Cheers,
Ronni

13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage


 On 14 Dec 2014, at 10:26 am, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 WOW Ronni !
 Well I feel that my requirements are very much like yours.
 Particularly in that I don’t use P, N or K.
 So thank you for your input …. I will retain Dropbox as my PDF and MS Office 
 offsite backup.
 That is my main purpose for it after all.
 
 
 On 14 Dec 2014, at 7:41 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen,
 
 iCloud Drive is not a Dropbox replacement. I have not moved from Dropbox to 
 iCloud Drive. 
 And I really can't see myself using iCloud Drive in the near future - as I 
 don't use the iOS versions of Pages, Numbers, Keynote.
 
 A couple of quick points:
 1. It should be noted that iCloud Drive requires iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, so 
 legacy devices running Mavericks or iOS 7 will not be able to keep their 
 documents up to date with other devices. 
 In addition, once a user has upgraded to iCloud Drive, they cannot downgrade 
 back to Documents in the Cloud.
 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264 
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264
 
 2. iCloud Drive Is Not a Dropbox Replacement
 
 The two services work differently. Take sharing, for instance. iCloud is 
 generally all about sharing, but it’s mostly about sharing your stuff with 
 your devices: that is, sharing the same stuff (calendars, music, mail, your 
 budget in Numbers, and your half-finished novel in Pages) among all of your 
 devices. Sharing stuff with other people, even other iCloud users, is not 
 easy, and worse, the options are limited and tightly focused (such as 
 specific photo streams or explicitly shared documents in Pages or Numbers).
 
 Dropbox, on the other hand, lets you share folders and all the documents 
 therein with other Dropbox users -  for collaboration with others working on 
 the same project, writing, editing etc. Doing the same thing with iCloud 
 Drive would be impossible.
 
 iCloud, unlike Dropbox, doesn’t store previous versions of a file (though 
 some individual apps do), nor does it let you restore deleted files.
 
 Most importantly, though, iCloud Drive is not just a file sharing service. 
 Remember that apps on both Mac and iOS have a lot to say about what you can 
 do with their app libraries. This means that the Finder, in order to create 
 the illusion that iCloud Drive is just another drive with a bunch of folders 
 and yet respect those individual apps’ rights and requirements concerning 
 their own stuff, can behave unpredictably. You can’t tell by sight, for 
 example, which app libraries will accept which files until you try them.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 13 Dec 2014, at 9:56 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com 
 mailto:chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 Just interested if anyone has moved from Dropbox to iCloud Drive ?
 And if so what you feel are the pros and cons ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 Mac by choice
 Windows because my employer knew no better

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Re: iCloud Drive

[Stephen Chape]

My step-son (Wife’s son) is an Emirates Captain and uses a Macbook Air (that I 
think is about the first one out) on his world wide travels.

We have recently thought of getting him a new one as a gift.
However my wife noticed yesterday that someone is selling the Macbook Pro at a 
discounted price.
What do see as the pros and cons of a Macbook Air vs Macbook Air for travelling 
with ?


 On 14 Dec 2014, at 1:40 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen,
 
 Dropbox - My Work Strategy - My work wherever I am: 
 
 I use iWork’09 (Not iWork’13) - Pages, Numbers  Keynote. My tutorials are 
 produced in Pages’09.
 I work on Two Computers - a 17” MacBook Pro (which is my main “Home Base” 
 Mac) and a MacBook Air (which is my “Out  About,  Work” Mac).
 
 I can be working on a Pages or Numbers project on either computer, so need 
 the projects kept in Sync.
 I have a Folder in Dropbox named - “Work In Progress” which holds the 
 documents I’m working on.
 So all my work files are the same no matter where I’m working from. 
 Which means I can start working on a document on my MacBook Pro (at Home 
 Base) and continue working on it on my MacBook Air (wherever I am).
 
 I can review a document or spreadsheet at any time on either computer, or 
 share the document to a colleague.  
 And if I finish a project and export is as a PDF I can read it on my iOS 
 devices. Dropbox syncs to my iOS devices as well as my computers.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 13-inch MacBook Air (April 2014)
 1.7GHz Dual-Core Intel Core i7, Turbo Boost to 3.3GHz
 8GB 1600MHz LPDDR3 SDRAM
 512GB PCIe-based Flash Storage
 
 
 On 14 Dec 2014, at 10:26 am, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com 
 mailto:chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 WOW Ronni !
 Well I feel that my requirements are very much like yours.
 Particularly in that I don’t use P, N or K.
 So thank you for your input …. I will retain Dropbox as my PDF and MS Office 
 offsite backup.
 That is my main purpose for it after all.
 
 
 On 14 Dec 2014, at 7:41 am, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com 
 mailto:ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Stephen,
 
 iCloud Drive is not a Dropbox replacement. I have not moved from Dropbox to 
 iCloud Drive. 
 And I really can't see myself using iCloud Drive in the near future - as I 
 don't use the iOS versions of Pages, Numbers, Keynote.
 
 A couple of quick points:
 1. It should be noted that iCloud Drive requires iOS 8 and OS X Yosemite, 
 so legacy devices running Mavericks or iOS 7 will not be able to keep their 
 documents up to date with other devices. 
 In addition, once a user has upgraded to iCloud Drive, they cannot 
 downgrade back to Documents in the Cloud.
 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385 
 http://support.apple.com/en-au/HT201385
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264 
 https://discussions.apple.com/thread/6558264
 
 2. iCloud Drive Is Not a Dropbox Replacement
 
 The two services work differently. Take sharing, for instance. iCloud is 
 generally all about sharing, but it’s mostly about sharing your stuff with 
 your devices: that is, sharing the same stuff (calendars, music, mail, your 
 budget in Numbers, and your half-finished novel in Pages) among all of your 
 devices. Sharing stuff with other people, even other iCloud users, is not 
 easy, and worse, the options are limited and tightly focused (such as 
 specific photo streams or explicitly shared documents in Pages or Numbers).
 
 Dropbox, on the other hand, lets you share folders and all the documents 
 therein with other Dropbox users -  for collaboration with others working 
 on the same project, writing, editing etc. Doing the same thing with iCloud 
 Drive would be impossible.
 
 iCloud, unlike Dropbox, doesn’t store previous versions of a file (though 
 some individual apps do), nor does it let you restore deleted files.
 
 Most importantly, though, iCloud Drive is not just a file sharing service. 
 Remember that apps on both Mac and iOS have a lot to say about what you can 
 do with their app libraries. This means that the Finder, in order to create 
 the illusion that iCloud Drive is just another drive with a bunch of 
 folders and yet respect those individual apps’ rights and requirements 
 concerning their own stuff, can behave unpredictably. You can’t tell by 
 sight, for example, which app libraries will accept which files until you 
 try them.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 On 13 Dec 2014, at 9:56 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com 
 mailto:chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 Just interested if anyone has moved from Dropbox to iCloud Drive ?
 And if so what you feel are the pros and cons ?
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 Mac by choice
 Windows because my employer knew no better
 
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Re: iCloud compromised ?

[F.W. Hänel]

it was already yesterday in the media
On 2 Sep 2014, at 17:19, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I was just at a friend’s place and he asked me if I had seen the news about 
 iCloud being compromised ?
 I have arrived home and see nothing in news reports about this.
 Has anybody seen or heard anything re this today ?
 
 My friend is a Windoze user and suffers badly from Applephobia !
 This may just be a symptom of his illness.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
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Re: iCloud compromised ?

[Rod Blitvich]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-patches-icloud-security-gap-after-celebrity-photo-hacks-reports-say/
 

Rod Blitvich  - Amy  Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au 


A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?

On 2 Sep 2014, at 5:19 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I was just at a friend’s place and he asked me if I had seen the news about 
 iCloud being compromised ?
 I have arrived home and see nothing in news reports about this.
 Has anybody seen or heard anything re this today ?
 
 My friend is a Windoze user and suffers badly from Applephobia !
 This may just be a symptom of his illness.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 Mac by choice
 Windows because my employer knew no better
 
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Re: iCloud compromised ?

[Ronda Brown]

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2014/09/02Apple-Media-Advisory.html
/Quote:
Update to Celebrity Photo Investigation

We wanted to provide an update to our investigation into the theft of photos of 
certain celebrities. When we learned of the theft, we were outraged and 
immediately mobilized Apple’s engineers to discover the source. Our customers’ 
privacy and security are of utmost importance to us. After more than 40 hours 
of investigation, we have discovered that certain celebrity accounts were 
compromised by a very targeted attack on user names, passwords and security 
questions, a practice that has become all too common on the Internet. 

None of the cases we have investigated has resulted from any breach in any of 
Apple’s systems including iCloud® or Find my iPhone. We are continuing to work 
with law enforcement to help identify the criminals involved. 

To protect against this type of attack, we advise all users to always use a 
strong password and enable two-step verification. Both of these are addressed 
on our website at http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4232. 
/End Quote

Sent from Ronni's iPad4


 On 2 Sep 2014, at 5:40 pm, Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/apple-patches-icloud-security-gap-after-celebrity-photo-hacks-reports-say/
  
 image.gif
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy  Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
  0409 681 256  
  rb...@iinet.net.au 
 
 
 A Life? Cool! Where can I download one of those from?
 
 On 2 Sep 2014, at 5:19 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 I was just at a friend’s place and he asked me if I had seen the news about 
 iCloud being compromised ?
 I have arrived home and see nothing in news reports about this.
 Has anybody seen or heard anything re this today ?
 
 My friend is a Windoze user and suffers badly from Applephobia !
 This may just be a symptom of his illness.
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
 
 Mac by choice
 Windows because my employer knew no better
 
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Re: iCloud compromised ?

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 2 Sep 2014, at 5:19 pm, Stephen Chape chap...@bigpond.com wrote:

 Hi folks,
 
 I was just at a friend’s place and he asked me if I had seen the news about 
 iCloud being compromised ?
 I have arrived home and see nothing in news reports about this.
 Has anybody seen or heard anything re this today ?
 
 My friend is a Windoze user and suffers badly from Applephobia !
 This may just be a symptom of his illness.
 

A couple of articles which suggest other explanations:

http://macdailynews.com/2014/09/01/apples-icloud-not-likely-the-source-of-naked-celebrity-photos-and-videos-leak/

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/icloud-naked-celebrity-photo-leak-2014-9

The fact that many of the photos have been found to have been taken on Android 
devices tends to point away from iCloud. More will no doubt be known in coming 
days. 


Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
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Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Pete,

Just adding to Daniel's reply below - Re: Mavericks- Migrating From a Windows 
PC Using Migration Assistant  
It will be faster if you use Ethernet 
Make sure the PC and the Mac are on the same Wi-Fi or (better yet) Ethernet 
network.

I will email you Offlist a 3 page PDF I have created  'Migrate From A Windows 
PC to Mavericks - Mac Computer.pdf'
which you might find a helpful addition with also reading the Apple Support 
link that Daniel has included below.

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.9 Mavericks
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)

On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:

 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just migrate 
 from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your Applications 
 obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My folders will go to 
 the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to Pictures, My Documents 
 goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to Music. So the iTunes 
 library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). When 
 you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all your 
 music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
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Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks Ronni, I got the PDF and will review. 

Regards

Pete

 On 13 Nov 2013, at 4:03 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Pete,
 
 Just adding to Daniel's reply below - Re: Mavericks- Migrating From a Windows 
 PC Using Migration Assistant  
 It will be faster if you use Ethernet 
 Make sure the PC and the Mac are on the same Wi-Fi or (better yet) Ethernet 
 network.
 
 I will email you Offlist a 3 page PDF I have created  'Migrate From A 
 Windows PC to Mavericks - Mac Computer.pdf'
 which you might find a helpful addition with also reading the Apple Support 
 link that Daniel has included below.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just 
 migrate from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your 
 Applications obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My 
 folders will go to the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to 
 Pictures, My Documents goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to 
 Music. So the iTunes library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). 
 When you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all 
 your music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
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Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[John Thompson]

Good Morning Ronni,
That PDF seems interesting.  Would it be possible to get a copy off 
list?

Thanks

John
On 13 Nov 2013, at 4:03 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi Pete,
 
 Just adding to Daniel's reply below - Re: Mavericks- Migrating From a Windows 
 PC Using Migration Assistant  
 It will be faster if you use Ethernet 
 Make sure the PC and the Mac are on the same Wi-Fi or (better yet) Ethernet 
 network.
 
 I will email you Offlist a 3 page PDF I have created  'Migrate From A 
 Windows PC to Mavericks - Mac Computer.pdf'
 which you might find a helpful addition with also reading the Apple Support 
 link that Daniel has included below.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD
 
 OS X 10.9 Mavericks
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just 
 migrate from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your 
 Applications obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My 
 folders will go to the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to 
 Pictures, My Documents goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to 
 Music. So the iTunes library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). 
 When you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all 
 your music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
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Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Ronda Brown]

Hello John,

I have sent the PDF to you Offlist.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 On 14 Nov 2013, at 7:11 am, John Thompson jet...@iprimus.com.au wrote:
 
 Good Morning Ronni,
   That PDF seems interesting.  Would it be possible to get a copy off 
 list?
 
 Thanks
 
 John
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Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Peter Crisp]

Ok, thanks for that extensive response Ronni. I am clear on this now and will 
keep this to review the links over the next few days.

With migration from Windows to OSX iTunes, are the folder and file contents 
compatible between the two platforms by simply picking them up and dropping 
them across to the new machine? Yes I will buy a new Macbook so definitely 
Mavericks (or the next iteration if I don't drag my feet too long and Apple 
releases the next one). 

Regards


Pete

 On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:03 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 iTunes does NOT backup your iTunes Library - iCloud does NOT backup your 
 iTunes Library. You use Time Machine or the backup program you are using to 
 backup your complete system.
 
 iTunes or iCloud can backup your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices)
 iTunes creates a Backup of your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices) then syncs 
 information.
 
 About iCloud Storage
 iCloud includes 5 GB of free storage space, and you can buy more if that’s 
 not enough (an additional 10 GB for $20 per year, 20 GB for $40 per year, or 
 50 GB for $100 per year). Apple makes a big deal about how far that free 5 GB 
 will go, and how it should be enough for most users. In reality, the 
 situation is more complex than it appears.
 
 On the positive side, many types of data you may want to store in iCloud 
 don’t count against that 5 GB limit. 
 
 For example, purchases from the iTunes Store—music, TV shows, movies, apps, 
 and books— don’t take up any of your personal space, because Apple already 
 has copies of all that data on their servers. 
 
 Photos in your Photo Stream don’t count either, no matter how many you have 
 or what their resolution is, presumably because that data stays in the cloud 
 only temporarily. 
 
 That leaves email (including attachments), documents, and—if you’ve enabled 
 iCloud Backups—the photos in the Camera Roll from each of your devices, 
 personal settings, app data, and a few other items that would appear at first 
 glance to occupy little space altogether.
 
 But those backups turn out to be a bigger deal than you might think. iCloud 
 doesn’t require you to back up iOS devices to the cloud; you can continue 
 backing them up to your Mac.
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 1:58 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I’ve a basic question about how iTunes works. When you have an idevice 
 attached to a computer with iTunes, one has the choice of selecting for 
 Backups Either “iCloud” OR “This Computer”.
 I have a music/video library around 230GB and so I choose to have it on an 
 external drive to which the iTunes library path is pointed. I am using 
 iTunes on a Windows 7 laptop and have for many years, but soon to migrate 
 it all to a Macbook Pro probably still on an external drive (I can’t wait!!
  My question is, if I choose in iTunes to backup to “This Computer”, then 
 does that preclude using iCloud for any backups for lesser voluminous data 
 – say contacts, calendar etc? I’m not going to pay for 250GB of iCloud 
 storage.
 Can one toggle between the two settings as you please?
 If it can be done, what are the upsides to this backup process in two 
 places and downsides if any?
 
 You can set things to backup automatically either to your computer (iTunes) 
 or to iCloud, but not both.
  
 If you choose automatic backup to this computer in iTunes, and then set the 
 preference on the iPhone to automatically back up to iCloud, it will warn you 
 that you are no longer automatically backing up to your computer (and next 
 time you look in iTunes, the setting to automatic iCloud backups will have 
 automatically updated from your iPhone setting, or the other way around).
  
 Regardless of which you chose in iTunes for automatically backup, you can 
 manually backup to your computer (iTunes) from iTunes using the Backup Now 
 button. 
 You can manually backup to iCloud from your iPhone Settings  iCloud  
 Storage  Backup  Backup Now (button at the bottom).
 Backing up to iCloud you use the iPhone not iTunes.
 
 On your new MacBook Pro I assume will be running Mavericks? 
 Mavericks no longer includes Sync Services.
 “Most users won’t even notice it’s gone, but it will affect people who still 
 use older versions of apps that rely on this mechanism to sync data with iOS 
 devices”
 
 “The loss of Sync Services also means that you can no longer use iTunes (via 
 Wi-Fi or USB) to sync calendars, contacts, and notes between your Mac and 
 iOS devices. You must instead use a server-based system of some sort on both 
 your Mac and iOS devices, which could be (among other options) iCloud, 
 Google, an Exchange server”
 
 “You can still sync media, apps, and documents with iOS devices via iTunes, 
 —this change affects only calendars, contacts, and notes.”
 
 This article overviews what is included in the iCloud backup: 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?viewlocale=en_US
 
 iOS: How to back up and restore your content
 

Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Pete

If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just migrate 
from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your Applications 
obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My folders will go to 
the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to Pictures, My Documents 
goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to Music. So the iTunes library 
will just be there already.
This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). When 
you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all your 
music and playlists etc will be the same.
I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on top 
just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
This link may help also - 
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US

Hope that helps.

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

On 11/11/2013, at 7:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Ok, thanks for that extensive response Ronni. I am clear on this now and will 
 keep this to review the links over the next few days.
 
 With migration from Windows to OSX iTunes, are the folder and file contents 
 compatible between the two platforms by simply picking them up and dropping 
 them across to the new machine? Yes I will buy a new Macbook so definitely 
 Mavericks (or the next iteration if I don't drag my feet too long and Apple 
 releases the next one). 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:03 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 iTunes does NOT backup your iTunes Library - iCloud does NOT backup your 
 iTunes Library. You use Time Machine or the backup program you are using to 
 backup your complete system.
 
 iTunes or iCloud can backup your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices)
 iTunes creates a Backup of your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices) then syncs 
 information.
 
 About iCloud Storage
 iCloud includes 5 GB of free storage space, and you can buy more if that’s 
 not enough (an additional 10 GB for $20 per year, 20 GB for $40 per year, or 
 50 GB for $100 per year). Apple makes a big deal about how far that free 5 
 GB will go, and how it should be enough for most users. In reality, the 
 situation is more complex than it appears.
 
 On the positive side, many types of data you may want to store in iCloud 
 don’t count against that 5 GB limit. 
 
 For example, purchases from the iTunes Store—music, TV shows, movies, apps, 
 and books— don’t take up any of your personal space, because Apple already 
 has copies of all that data on their servers. 
 
 Photos in your Photo Stream don’t count either, no matter how many you have 
 or what their resolution is, presumably because that data stays in the cloud 
 only temporarily. 
 
 That leaves email (including attachments), documents, and—if you’ve enabled 
 iCloud Backups—the photos in the Camera Roll from each of your devices, 
 personal settings, app data, and a few other items that would appear at 
 first glance to occupy little space altogether.
 
 But those backups turn out to be a bigger deal than you might think. iCloud 
 doesn’t require you to back up iOS devices to the cloud; you can continue 
 backing them up to your Mac.
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 1:58 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I’ve a basic question about how iTunes works. When you have an idevice 
 attached to a computer with iTunes, one has the choice of selecting for 
 Backups Either “iCloud” OR “This Computer”.
 I have a music/video library around 230GB and so I choose to have it on an 
 external drive to which the iTunes library path is pointed. I am using 
 iTunes on a Windows 7 laptop and have for many years, but soon to migrate 
 it all to a Macbook Pro probably still on an external drive (I can’t wait!!
  My question is, if I choose in iTunes to backup to “This Computer”, then 
 does that preclude using iCloud for any backups for lesser voluminous data 
 – say contacts, calendar etc? I’m not going to pay for 250GB of iCloud 
 storage.
 Can one toggle between the two settings as you please?
 If it can be done, what are the upsides to this backup process in two 

Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Peter Crisp]

Thanks for that Daniel. The 'over network' transfer sounds appealing. When you 
say data is transferred is that just the iOS backed up data or music library as 
well? If it's the whole library, I would need another external to drive to pick 
up the 230GB library at the destination machine - if the library is included in 
this transfer.

Regards

Pete

 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just migrate 
 from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your Applications 
 obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My folders will go to 
 the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to Pictures, My Documents 
 goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to Music. So the iTunes 
 library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). When 
 you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all your 
 music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
 as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
 Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
 accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
 email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
 author be requested. 
 
 On 11/11/2013, at 7:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Ok, thanks for that extensive response Ronni. I am clear on this now and 
 will keep this to review the links over the next few days.
 
 With migration from Windows to OSX iTunes, are the folder and file contents 
 compatible between the two platforms by simply picking them up and dropping 
 them across to the new machine? Yes I will buy a new Macbook so definitely 
 Mavericks (or the next iteration if I don't drag my feet too long and Apple 
 releases the next one). 
 
 Regards
 
 
 Pete
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 1:03 pm, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 iTunes does NOT backup your iTunes Library - iCloud does NOT backup your 
 iTunes Library. You use Time Machine or the backup program you are using to 
 backup your complete system.
 
 iTunes or iCloud can backup your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices)
 iTunes creates a Backup of your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices) then syncs 
 information.
 
 About iCloud Storage
 iCloud includes 5 GB of free storage space, and you can buy more if that’s 
 not enough (an additional 10 GB for $20 per year, 20 GB for $40 per year, 
 or 50 GB for $100 per year). Apple makes a big deal about how far that free 
 5 GB will go, and how it should be enough for most users. In reality, the 
 situation is more complex than it appears.
 
 On the positive side, many types of data you may want to store in iCloud 
 don’t count against that 5 GB limit. 
 
 For example, purchases from the iTunes Store—music, TV shows, movies, apps, 
 and books— don’t take up any of your personal space, because Apple already 
 has copies of all that data on their servers. 
 
 Photos in your Photo Stream don’t count either, no matter how many you have 
 or what their resolution is, presumably because that data stays in the 
 cloud only temporarily. 
 
 That leaves email (including attachments), documents, and—if you’ve enabled 
 iCloud Backups—the photos in the Camera Roll from each of your devices, 
 personal settings, app data, and a few other items that would appear at 
 first glance to occupy little space altogether.
 
 But those backups turn out to be a bigger deal than you might think. iCloud 
 doesn’t require you to back up iOS devices to the cloud; you can continue 
 backing them up to your Mac.
 
 On 10 Nov 2013, at 1:58 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi, I’ve a basic question about how iTunes works. When you have an 
 idevice attached to a computer with iTunes, one has the choice of 
 selecting for Backups Either “iCloud” OR “This Computer”.
 I have a music/video library around 230GB and so I choose to have it on 
 an external drive to which the iTunes library path is pointed. I am using 
 iTunes on a Windows 7 laptop and have for 

Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Daniel Kerr]

Hi Pete

Any of your data on your Windows machine that you want transferred will 
transfer over to the new Mac that you get. If you're using an external drive 
for your music like you mentioned, then you don't really need to do anything. 
All you do is plug the external drive into the Mac and then start with the 
Option key held down. iTunes will then ask please choose the Library you want 
to use. You then point it to the iTunes library on the external drive. It will 
then work with the files there. The one downside or caveat may be dependant on 
how the drive is formatted. As the Mac *may* say,..hey, I can't write to this 
drive, so sorry I can't use it. (It probably won't say it like that of 
course,…hehe).
But a) the migration won't take the data from the external drive, it's solely 
going to transfer the data from the Windows OS drive (i.e. your data) and b) 
the external drive should then just carry along as normal on the Mac drive for 
your iTunes Library using the above method (dependant on format of course). But 
it will advise that.
But yes, if the format is different so it can't read/write to it, then you may 
need another drive to transfer it to. In which case you can then get a large 
drive, reformat it for the Mac then transfer the data from your original drive 
to the newly created drive and then use the same steps above.

I do this regularly while I'm creating my Media Drive. By default my laptop 
has it's own iTunes Library, whereas the Media Drive is what I'm working on 
while setting it up with all the data for the house. When I want to change back 
and forwards, I just Quit iTunes and open it again with the Option key and 
Choose Library. It then just switches between the two no problems at all. 
Sometimes this can be good, as I've set something up for a family. They had the 
family safe main iTunes Library with all kid friendly stuff on it. Then they 
Option start iTunes for the horror movies and full on action movies. (or swear 
words). That way the kids don't accidentally start playing something they 
shouldn't. They just store those on a little portable drive that they can move 
from machine to machine to machine. Works quite well ;)

Hope that helps a little more.

Kind regards
Daniel
---
Daniel Kerr
MacWizardry

Phone: 0414 795 960
Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au


**For everything Apple**

NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and as 
such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. Any 
information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or accept 
liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this email is to 
be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the author be 
requested. 

On 11/11/2013, at 8:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Thanks for that Daniel. The 'over network' transfer sounds appealing. When 
 you say data is transferred is that just the iOS backed up data or music 
 library as well? If it's the whole library, I would need another external to 
 drive to pick up the 230GB library at the destination machine - if the 
 library is included in this transfer.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just 
 migrate from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your 
 Applications obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My 
 folders will go to the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to 
 Pictures, My Documents goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to 
 Music. So the iTunes library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). 
 When you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all 
 your music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4796?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
 
 Hope that helps.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
 as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of 
 MacWizardry. Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of 
 warranty or accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any 
 information in 

Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Peter Crisp]

Yep, that helps Daniel. Thanks for that. I formatted the drive to be Win and 
OSX compatible (I can't remember) but it works in both. As we're pretty much a 
Apple household, but my work insists on Win machines and so 'my' only machine 
is Windows - until I get my MBP 13 Retina.

So I will do as you say upon the very first opening of iTunes on the new 
machine.

Regards


Pete

 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:46 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 Any of your data on your Windows machine that you want transferred will 
 transfer over to the new Mac that you get. If you're using an external drive 
 for your music like you mentioned, then you don't really need to do anything. 
 All you do is plug the external drive into the Mac and then start with the 
 Option key held down. iTunes will then ask please choose the Library you 
 want to use. You then point it to the iTunes library on the external drive. 
 It will then work with the files there. The one downside or caveat may be 
 dependant on how the drive is formatted. As the Mac *may* say,..hey, I can't 
 write to this drive, so sorry I can't use it. (It probably won't say it like 
 that of course,…hehe).
 But a) the migration won't take the data from the external drive, it's solely 
 going to transfer the data from the Windows OS drive (i.e. your data) and b) 
 the external drive should then just carry along as normal on the Mac drive 
 for your iTunes Library using the above method (dependant on format of 
 course). But it will advise that.
 But yes, if the format is different so it can't read/write to it, then you 
 may need another drive to transfer it to. In which case you can then get a 
 large drive, reformat it for the Mac then transfer the data from your 
 original drive to the newly created drive and then use the same steps above.
 
 I do this regularly while I'm creating my Media Drive. By default my laptop 
 has it's own iTunes Library, whereas the Media Drive is what I'm working on 
 while setting it up with all the data for the house. When I want to change 
 back and forwards, I just Quit iTunes and open it again with the Option key 
 and Choose Library. It then just switches between the two no problems at 
 all. 
 Sometimes this can be good, as I've set something up for a family. They had 
 the family safe main iTunes Library with all kid friendly stuff on it. Then 
 they Option start iTunes for the horror movies and full on action movies. (or 
 swear words). That way the kids don't accidentally start playing something 
 they shouldn't. They just store those on a little portable drive that they 
 can move from machine to machine to machine. Works quite well ;)
 
 Hope that helps a little more.
 
 Kind regards
 Daniel
 ---
 Daniel Kerr
 MacWizardry
 
 Phone: 0414 795 960
 Email: daniel AT macwizardry.com.au
 Web:   http://www.macwizardry.com.au
 
 
 **For everything Apple**
 
 NOTE: Any information provided in this email may be my personal opinion and 
 as such should be taken accordingly, and may not be the views of MacWizardry. 
 Any information provided does not offer or warrant any form of warranty or 
 accept liability. It would be appreciated that if any information in this 
 email is to be disseminated, distributed or copied, that permission by the 
 author be requested. 
 
 On 11/11/2013, at 8:36 PM, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Thanks for that Daniel. The 'over network' transfer sounds appealing. When 
 you say data is transferred is that just the iOS backed up data or music 
 library as well? If it's the whole library, I would need another external to 
 drive to pick up the 230GB library at the destination machine - if the 
 library is included in this transfer.
 
 Regards
 
 Pete
 
 On 11 Nov 2013, at 8:26 pm, Daniel Kerr wa...@macwizardry.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Pete
 
 If your Windoze machine is on the same network, you can actually just 
 migrate from it to the Mac. It will transfer your data, but none of your 
 Applications obviously. Basically, long story short, all the Windoze My 
 folders will go to the equivalent Mac folders (e.g. My Pictures goes to 
 Pictures, My Documents goes to Documents. Desktop to Desktop, My Music to 
 Music. So the iTunes library will just be there already.
 This is generally the easiest way to get it all across.
 If you didn't want to do it that way, then you'd do the same manual type of 
 transfer as above (e.g. My Music on Windows to Music folder on the Mac). 
 When you open iTunes, it will just adjust it to be Mac friendly. But all 
 your music and playlists etc will be the same.
 I've done a few transfers for clients when supplying the new gear and 
 transferred it from their Windoze machines for them. Has (generally) been a 
 simple transfer. (sometimes with a bit of a clean up or manual transfer on 
 top just for things missed or not gone to plan.) But overall quite easy.
 This link may help also - 
 

Re: ICloud vs computer backup

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Peter,

iTunes does NOT backup your iTunes Library - iCloud does NOT backup your iTunes 
Library. You use Time Machine or the backup program you are using to backup 
your complete system.

iTunes or iCloud can backup your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices)
iTunes creates a Backup of your iPhone/iPad (iOS Devices) then syncs 
information.

About iCloud Storage
iCloud includes 5 GB of free storage space, and you can buy more if that’s not 
enough (an additional 10 GB for $20 per year, 20 GB for $40 per year, or 50 GB 
for $100 per year). Apple makes a big deal about how far that free 5 GB will 
go, and how it should be enough for most users. In reality, the situation is 
more complex than it appears.

On the positive side, many types of data you may want to store in iCloud don’t 
count against that 5 GB limit. 

For example, purchases from the iTunes Store—music, TV shows, movies, apps, and 
books— don’t take up any of your personal space, because Apple already has 
copies of all that data on their servers. 

Photos in your Photo Stream don’t count either, no matter how many you have or 
what their resolution is, presumably because that data stays in the cloud only 
temporarily. 

That leaves email (including attachments), documents, and—if you’ve enabled 
iCloud Backups—the photos in the Camera Roll from each of your devices, 
personal settings, app data, and a few other items that would appear at first 
glance to occupy little space altogether.

But those backups turn out to be a bigger deal than you might think. iCloud 
doesn’t require you to back up iOS devices to the cloud; you can continue 
backing them up to your Mac.

On 10 Nov 2013, at 1:58 pm, Peter Crisp petercr...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi, I’ve a basic question about how iTunes works. When you have an idevice 
 attached to a computer with iTunes, one has the choice of selecting for 
 Backups Either “iCloud” OR “This Computer”.
 I have a music/video library around 230GB and so I choose to have it on an 
 external drive to which the iTunes library path is pointed. I am using 
 iTunes on a Windows 7 laptop and have for many years, but soon to migrate it 
 all to a Macbook Pro probably still on an external drive (I can’t wait!!
  My question is, if I choose in iTunes to backup to “This Computer”, then 
 does that preclude using iCloud for any backups for lesser voluminous data – 
 say contacts, calendar etc? I’m not going to pay for 250GB of iCloud storage.
 Can one toggle between the two settings as you please?
 If it can be done, what are the upsides to this backup process in two places 
 and downsides if any?

You can set things to backup automatically either to your computer (iTunes) or 
to iCloud, but not both.
 
If you choose automatic backup to this computer in iTunes, and then set the 
preference on the iPhone to automatically back up to iCloud, it will warn you 
that you are no longer automatically backing up to your computer (and next time 
you look in iTunes, the setting to automatic iCloud backups will have 
automatically updated from your iPhone setting, or the other way around).
 
Regardless of which you chose in iTunes for automatically backup, you can 
manually backup to your computer (iTunes) from iTunes using the Backup Now 
button. 
You can manually backup to iCloud from your iPhone Settings  iCloud  Storage 
 Backup  Backup Now (button at the bottom).
Backing up to iCloud you use the iPhone not iTunes.

On your new MacBook Pro I assume will be running Mavericks? 
Mavericks no longer includes Sync Services.
“Most users won’t even notice it’s gone, but it will affect people who still 
use older versions of apps that rely on this mechanism to sync data with iOS 
devices”

“The loss of Sync Services also means that you can no longer use iTunes (via 
Wi-Fi or USB) to sync calendars, contacts, and notes between your Mac and iOS 
devices. You must instead use a server-based system of some sort on both your 
Mac and iOS devices, which could be (among other options) iCloud, Google, an 
Exchange server”

“You can still sync media, apps, and documents with iOS devices via iTunes, 
—this change affects only calendars, contacts, and notes.”

This article overviews what is included in the iCloud backup: 
http://support.apple.com/kb/PH12519?viewlocale=en_US

iOS: How to back up and restore your content
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1766

Syncing:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1386?viewlocale=en_US

Choosing an iOS backup method (Should I use iTunes or iCloud to back up my iOS 
device?)
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5262


  I have an iPhone 4 using iOS 7.0.3 and iTunes 11.1.2.32 on the Windows 7 
 heap.
  
 Also, is the process of migrating iTunes from Windows to OSX straight 
 forward and hassle free?

Update your iTunes on Windows to current version 11.1.3.8   
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1615?viewlocale=en_USlocale=en_US
iTunes is basically the same application on both Mac and Windows.

As long as you had the Windows iTunes Media folder 

Re: iCloud Management

[Ronni Brown]

On 1 Nov 2013, at 12:25 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Is there a simple neat way of retreating from iCloud active on several 
 devices?
 
 Safari 6.1 on my late 2012 iMac (OSX Mountain Lion) now displays unwanted 
 bookmarks in the Favorites Bar and the customised Toolbar has changed.  (Mail 
 signatures have also reverted to old versions, but possibly an unrelated 
 issue.)These symptoms have been noticed since I activated iCloud and 
 other standard software updates in the last week.
 
 I had a stable system with two iMacs, an iPad, iPhone and AppleTV.   When I 
 updated to iOS 7.0.3 on my iPhone5 and iPad2, I thought it was time to jump 
 into this iCloud thinggy and use some of the facilities.   I also activated 
 one iMac for Photo Stream syncing. 
 
 I have no idea of what is happening in the Cloud, or if iCloud syncing has 
 anything to do with the OSX Safari oddities.

You might have setup iCloud sync and also iTunes sync for Safari Bookmarks. 
In the earliest days of the iPhone and iPod touch, the only way to keep 
calendars, contacts, bookmarks, and notes in sync with your Mac or PC was to do 
wired syncs via iTunes. MobileMe later made wireless push synchronisation 
possible, and iCloud maintains that feature.

Even so, syncing these types of data via iTunes is still possible with a wired 
sync or a new-in- iOS-5 wireless sync. 
And that’s a problem, because if you sync an iOS device both with iTunes and 
with iCloud, you’ll almost inevitably encounter sync loops that lead to endless 
duplication of data—especially calendar and contact items.

So, it’s not enough simply to turn iCloud syncing on; you must also turn iTunes 
syncing off for these types of data, if it isn’t off already! To do this, 
follow these steps:

1. Connect your iOS device to your computer.
2. Open iTunes.
3. Select your device in the sidebar on the left.
4. In the main part of the iTunes window, click Info.

5. If any of the following items are checked, uncheck them: Sync Address Book 
Contacts, Sync iCal Calendars, Sync Safari Bookmarks, and Sync Notes.

6. Click Apply.

The selected data types stop syncing via iTunes and instead sync via iCloud 
only.


  But I would like to return to a simple and stable state of physical control. 
  And then - perhaps - gradually reactivate the iCloud services.   To 
 paraphrase a respected WAMUG member  -  fix all problems before installing 
 Mavericks (and make a backup). 
 
 Kind regards
 Alan
 

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Re: iCloud Management

[Alan Smith]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for indicating a possible cause of multiplying Bookmarks.  I used to do 
manual iTunes backups/syncs, then advanced to WiFi.  When I activated iCloud on 
the devices I did not make any changes to the previous iTunes settings.   I 
will follow your step by step syncing guide.   Then a careful reading of the 
User Guides and Apple Support articles would seem to be in order.

A careful reading of future iOS ugrade steps would be in order too:  I've 
inadvertently signed up for FaceTime on the iPad, which I don't envisage ever 
using.

Cheers
Alan


On 01/11/2013, at 3:18 PM, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 
 On 1 Nov 2013, at 12:25 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Is there a simple neat way of retreating from iCloud active on several 
 devices?
 
 Safari 6.1 on my late 2012 iMac (OSX Mountain Lion) now displays unwanted 
 bookmarks in the Favorites Bar and the customised Toolbar has changed.  
 (Mail signatures have also reverted to old versions, but possibly an 
 unrelated issue.)These symptoms have been noticed since I activated 
 iCloud and other standard software updates in the last week.
 
 I had a stable system with two iMacs, an iPad, iPhone and AppleTV.   When I 
 updated to iOS 7.0.3 on my iPhone5 and iPad2, I thought it was time to jump 
 into this iCloud thinggy and use some of the facilities.   I also activated 
 one iMac for Photo Stream syncing. 
 
 I have no idea of what is happening in the Cloud, or if iCloud syncing has 
 anything to do with the OSX Safari oddities.
 
 You might have setup iCloud sync and also iTunes sync for Safari Bookmarks. 
 In the earliest days of the iPhone and iPod touch, the only way to keep 
 calendars, contacts, bookmarks, and notes in sync with your Mac or PC was to 
 do wired syncs via iTunes. MobileMe later made wireless push synchronisation 
 possible, and iCloud maintains that feature.
 
 Even so, syncing these types of data via iTunes is still possible with a 
 wired sync or a new-in- iOS-5 wireless sync. 
 And that’s a problem, because if you sync an iOS device both with iTunes and 
 with iCloud, you’ll almost inevitably encounter sync loops that lead to 
 endless duplication of data—especially calendar and contact items.
 
 So, it’s not enough simply to turn iCloud syncing on; you must also turn 
 iTunes syncing off for these types of data, if it isn’t off already! To do 
 this, follow these steps:
 
 1. Connect your iOS device to your computer.
 2. Open iTunes.
 3. Select your device in the sidebar on the left.
 4. In the main part of the iTunes window, click Info.
 
 5. If any of the following items are checked, uncheck them: Sync Address Book 
 Contacts, Sync iCal Calendars, Sync Safari Bookmarks, and Sync Notes.
 
 6. Click Apply.
 
 The selected data types stop syncing via iTunes and instead sync via iCloud 
 only.
 
 
  But I would like to return to a simple and stable state of physical 
 control.  And then - perhaps - gradually reactivate the iCloud services.   
 To paraphrase a respected WAMUG member  -  fix all problems before 
 installing Mavericks (and make a backup). 
 
 Kind regards
 Alan
 
 
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Re: iCloud Management

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Alan,

A few places to start learning about how to set up iCloud on all your devices.

Set up iCloud on all your Devices - Mac / iPhone iPad  iPod touch
http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/

The Complete Guide to iCloud on Your Mac
http://mac.tutsplus.com/tutorials/productivity/the-complete-guide-to-icloud-on-your-mac/

Guide for iCloud – Update  Backup your iPhone  iPad- iOS 7 Edition
https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/guide-for-icloud-update-backup/id473525028?mt=8

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 On 1 Nov 2013, at 4:10 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Thanks for indicating a possible cause of multiplying Bookmarks.  I used to 
 do manual iTunes backups/syncs, then advanced to WiFi.  When I activated 
 iCloud on the devices I did not make any changes to the previous iTunes 
 settings.   I will follow your step by step syncing guide.   Then a careful 
 reading of the User Guides and Apple Support articles would seem to be in 
 order.
 
 A careful reading of future iOS ugrade steps would be in order too:  I've 
 inadvertently signed up for FaceTime on the iPad, which I don't envisage ever 
 using.
 
 Cheers
 Alan
 
 
 On 01/11/2013, at 3:18 PM, Ronni Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:
 
 
 On 1 Nov 2013, at 12:25 pm, Alan Smith sma...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 Is there a simple neat way of retreating from iCloud active on several 
 devices?
 
 Safari 6.1 on my late 2012 iMac (OSX Mountain Lion) now displays unwanted 
 bookmarks in the Favorites Bar and the customised Toolbar has changed.  
 (Mail signatures have also reverted to old versions, but possibly an 
 unrelated issue.)These symptoms have been noticed since I activated 
 iCloud and other standard software updates in the last week.
 
 I had a stable system with two iMacs, an iPad, iPhone and AppleTV.   When I 
 updated to iOS 7.0.3 on my iPhone5 and iPad2, I thought it was time to jump 
 into this iCloud thinggy and use some of the facilities.   I also activated 
 one iMac for Photo Stream syncing. 
 
 I have no idea of what is happening in the Cloud, or if iCloud syncing has 
 anything to do with the OSX Safari oddities.
 
 You might have setup iCloud sync and also iTunes sync for Safari Bookmarks. 
 In the earliest days of the iPhone and iPod touch, the only way to keep 
 calendars, contacts, bookmarks, and notes in sync with your Mac or PC was to 
 do wired syncs via iTunes. MobileMe later made wireless push synchronisation 
 possible, and iCloud maintains that feature.
 
 Even so, syncing these types of data via iTunes is still possible with a 
 wired sync or a new-in- iOS-5 wireless sync. 
 And that’s a problem, because if you sync an iOS device both with iTunes and 
 with iCloud, you’ll almost inevitably encounter sync loops that lead to 
 endless duplication of data—especially calendar and contact items.
 
 So, it’s not enough simply to turn iCloud syncing on; you must also turn 
 iTunes syncing off for these types of data, if it isn’t off already! To do 
 this, follow these steps:
 
 1. Connect your iOS device to your computer.
 2. Open iTunes.
 3. Select your device in the sidebar on the left.
 4. In the main part of the iTunes window, click Info.
 
 5. If any of the following items are checked, uncheck them: Sync Address 
 Book Contacts, Sync iCal Calendars, Sync Safari Bookmarks, and Sync Notes.
 
 6. Click Apply.
 
 The selected data types stop syncing via iTunes and instead sync via iCloud 
 only.
 
 
  But I would like to return to a simple and stable state of physical 
 control.  And then - perhaps - gradually reactivate the iCloud services.   
 To paraphrase a respected WAMUG member  -  fix all problems before 
 installing Mavericks (and make a backup). 
 
 Kind regards
 Alan
 
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Re: iCloud on hte desktop

[Stuart Breden]

Is that how you find it?  Learn something new even day.  More than one thing 
today.  What a bonus!  Thanks!!

Btu in the home Library folder there still is not a Mobile Documents folder.  
Is that because I'm running Lion and not Mountain Lion?

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

Please consider the environment before printing this email


On 13/05/2013, at 9:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 
 Hi Stuart,
 
 Answers in Situ below.
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 9:04 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Ronni, the home folder is the one with the house icon?  Correct?
 
 Yes... The Home Folder is your User Folder
 
 If this is the case, I do not have either  Library and/or Mobile Documents 
 in my home folder. I'm using OS 10.7.5
 
 The User/Home Library is hidden in Lion  Mountain Lion.
 
 To Show Hidden Home Library in Lion  Mountain Lion
 To view occasionally but keep hidden:
 Option-click the Go menu In Lion  Mountain Lion
 If you Option-click the Go menu, your Library folder magically appears in the 
 menu; choose Library from the menu to open the folder in the Finder.
 
 To View permanently:
 Change the hidden flag using Terminal Launch Terminal from within your own 
 account, type chflags nohidden ~/Library, and press Return. 
 Your Library folder is now permanently visible. 
 
 To make the folder invisible again, use the command
  chflags hidden ~/Library.
 
 In fact I do not have Mobile Documents in the library in my hard drive.
 
 Thanks about Cloud Mate.  I'll look at it next Sunday and give you some feed 
 back.
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 3:10 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hey Stuart it's Monday not Sunday,
 
 You normally hit the list with a pile of questions on a Sunday... ;-)
 
 What Is iCloud?
 It is not a physical object you can touch, it's not a piece of software you 
 can install. It's not a Web site – at least, not entirely. Referring to 
 iCloud as though it were a single entity is misleading.
 
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to 
 a collection of features, services, settings, and APIs (application 
 programming interfaces).
 ---
 To answer your question:
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 No 
 Local copies of files you store on iCloud are stored in the Library  
 Mobile Documents folder in your home folder.
 ---
  Cloud Mate might be of  interest to you.
 
 Cloud Mate adds a Finder-like interface to iCloud, and adds iCloud to the 
 Finder. 
 
 iCloud is great. iCloud splits all your content up by the app that created 
 it. 
 iCloud hides your Photo Stream. 
 
 Cloud Mate sets those files free! 
 
 http://www.rwe-uk.com/app/cloud-mate
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 12/05/2013, at 7:14 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
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Re: iCloud on hte desktop

[Ronni Brown]

Hi Stuart,

Are you sure you are looking in the correct ~/Library?
To show the ~/Library (Home Library) is the same in Lion  Mountain Lion.

The Path is  HD/Users/user name/Library/Mobile Documents.xx  (the xxx will 
be numbers)

NOTE:  But Don't go moving anything out of the Mobile Documents Folder!

How to create aliases for Documents in the Cloud folders:

1. Launch the Finder

2. In the Menu click on the Go menu and then down to Go to Folder (or use the 
keyboard shortcut, CMD + SHIFT + G)

3. Type ~/library/ and click on Go

4. Double click on the folder called Mobile Documents

5. Find the folders that store your Documents in the Cloud, namely:
com~apple~pages
com~apple-numbers
com~apple~keynote

6. Double click on the com~apple~pages folder.

7. Right click (Control-Click) on the Documents folder.

8. Select Create Alias (Make Alias), then drag that folder onto your desktop.

9. Repeat this procedure for the Numbers, Pages, Keynote Documents folders on 
all Macs that use your iCloud account.

I'm out of here now, I'm not supposed to be doing any support work yet. I 
intended to just answer a couple of quick WAMUG questions... but somehow that 
was not what eventuated :(

Cheers,
Ronni

On 14/05/2013, at 9:07 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 Is that how you find it?  Learn something new even day.  More than one thing 
 today.  What a bonus!  Thanks!!
 
 Btu in the home Library folder there still is not a Mobile Documents folder.  
 Is that because I'm running Lion and not Mountain Lion?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 9:15 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 
 Hi Stuart,
 
 Answers in Situ below.
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 9:04 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Ronni, the home folder is the one with the house icon?  Correct?
 
 Yes... The Home Folder is your User Folder
 
 If this is the case, I do not have either  Library and/or Mobile Documents 
 in my home folder. I'm using OS 10.7.5
 
 The User/Home Library is hidden in Lion  Mountain Lion.
 
 To Show Hidden Home Library in Lion  Mountain Lion
 To view occasionally but keep hidden:
 Option-click the Go menu In Lion  Mountain Lion
 If you Option-click the Go menu, your Library folder magically appears in 
 the menu; choose Library from the menu to open the folder in the Finder.
 
 To View permanently:
 Change the hidden flag using Terminal Launch Terminal from within your own 
 account, type chflags nohidden ~/Library, and press Return. 
 Your Library folder is now permanently visible. 
 
 To make the folder invisible again, use the command
  chflags hidden ~/Library.
 
 In fact I do not have Mobile Documents in the library in my hard drive.
 
 Thanks about Cloud Mate.  I'll look at it next Sunday and give you some 
 feed back.
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 3:10 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hey Stuart it's Monday not Sunday,
 
 You normally hit the list with a pile of questions on a Sunday... ;-)
 
 What Is iCloud?
 It is not a physical object you can touch, it's not a piece of software 
 you can install. It's not a Web site – at least, not entirely. Referring 
 to iCloud as though it were a single entity is misleading.
 
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to 
 a collection of features, services, settings, and APIs (application 
 programming interfaces).
 ---
 To answer your question:
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 No 
 Local copies of files you store on iCloud are stored in the Library  
 Mobile Documents folder in your home folder.
 ---
  Cloud Mate might be of  interest to you.
 
 Cloud Mate adds a Finder-like interface to iCloud, and adds iCloud to the 
 Finder. 
 
 iCloud is great. iCloud splits all your content up by the app that created 
 it. 
 iCloud hides your Photo Stream. 
 
 Cloud Mate sets those files free! 
 
 http://www.rwe-uk.com/app/cloud-mate
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 12/05/2013, at 7:14 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266

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Re: iCloud on hte desktop

[Ronda Brown]

Hey Stuart it's Monday not Sunday,

You normally hit the list with a pile of questions on a Sunday... ;-)

What Is iCloud?
It is not a physical object you can touch, it's not a piece of software you can 
install. It's not a Web site – at least, not entirely. Referring to iCloud as 
though it were a single entity is misleading.

The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to a 
collection of features, services, settings, and APIs (application programming 
interfaces).
---
To answer your question:
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?

No 
Local copies of files you store on iCloud are stored in the Library  Mobile 
Documents folder in your home folder.
---
 Cloud Mate might be of  interest to you.

Cloud Mate adds a Finder-like interface to iCloud, and adds iCloud to the 
Finder. 

iCloud is great. iCloud splits all your content up by the app that created it. 
iCloud hides your Photo Stream. 

Cloud Mate sets those files free! 

http://www.rwe-uk.com/app/cloud-mate

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 12/05/2013, at 7:14 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
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Re: iCloud on hte desktop

[Stuart Breden]

Ronni, the home folder is the one with the house icon?  Correct?

If this is the case, I do not have either  Library and/or Mobile Documents in 
my home folder. I'm using OS 10.7.5

In fact I do not have Mobile Documents in the library in my hard drive.

Thanks about Cloud Mate.  I'll look at it next Sunday and give you some feed 
back.

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

Please consider the environment before printing this email






On 13/05/2013, at 3:10 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hey Stuart it's Monday not Sunday,
 
 You normally hit the list with a pile of questions on a Sunday... ;-)
 
 What Is iCloud?
 It is not a physical object you can touch, it's not a piece of software you 
 can install. It's not a Web site – at least, not entirely. Referring to 
 iCloud as though it were a single entity is misleading.
 
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to a 
 collection of features, services, settings, and APIs (application programming 
 interfaces).
 ---
 To answer your question:
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 No 
 Local copies of files you store on iCloud are stored in the Library  Mobile 
 Documents folder in your home folder.
 ---
  Cloud Mate might be of  interest to you.
 
 Cloud Mate adds a Finder-like interface to iCloud, and adds iCloud to the 
 Finder. 
 
 iCloud is great. iCloud splits all your content up by the app that created 
 it. 
 iCloud hides your Photo Stream. 
 
 Cloud Mate sets those files free! 
 
 http://www.rwe-uk.com/app/cloud-mate
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 12/05/2013, at 7:14 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
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Re: iCloud on hte desktop

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stuart,

Answers in Situ below.

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 13/05/2013, at 9:04 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 Ronni, the home folder is the one with the house icon?  Correct?

Yes... The Home Folder is your User Folder
 
 If this is the case, I do not have either  Library and/or Mobile Documents in 
 my home folder. I'm using OS 10.7.5

The User/Home Library is hidden in Lion  Mountain Lion.

To Show Hidden Home Library in Lion  Mountain Lion
To view occasionally but keep hidden:
Option-click the Go menu In Lion  Mountain Lion
If you Option-click the Go menu, your Library folder magically appears in the 
menu; choose Library from the menu to open the folder in the Finder.

To View permanently:
Change the hidden flag using Terminal Launch Terminal from within your own 
account, type chflags nohidden ~/Library, and press Return. 
Your Library folder is now permanently visible. 

To make the folder invisible again, use the command
 chflags hidden ~/Library.
 
 In fact I do not have Mobile Documents in the library in my hard drive.
 
 Thanks about Cloud Mate.  I'll look at it next Sunday and give you some feed 
 back.
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 13/05/2013, at 3:10 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hey Stuart it's Monday not Sunday,
 
 You normally hit the list with a pile of questions on a Sunday... ;-)
 
 What Is iCloud?
 It is not a physical object you can touch, it's not a piece of software you 
 can install. It's not a Web site – at least, not entirely. Referring to 
 iCloud as though it were a single entity is misleading.
 
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to a 
 collection of features, services, settings, and APIs (application 
 programming interfaces).
 ---
 To answer your question:
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 No 
 Local copies of files you store on iCloud are stored in the Library  Mobile 
 Documents folder in your home folder.
 ---
  Cloud Mate might be of  interest to you.
 
 Cloud Mate adds a Finder-like interface to iCloud, and adds iCloud to the 
 Finder. 
 
 iCloud is great. iCloud splits all your content up by the app that created 
 it. 
 iCloud hides your Photo Stream. 
 
 Cloud Mate sets those files free! 
 
 http://www.rwe-uk.com/app/cloud-mate
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 12/05/2013, at 7:14 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 Can you have an alias of your iCloud account on your desktop?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
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Re: iCloud for Families

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 02/04/2013, at 10:42 AM, Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 http://tidbits.com/e/13670#comments
 
 How to push family calendar dates to everyones'  iCal
 What a great idea!
 
 ... unfortunately an April Fool's day prank
 :(
 
 blitto
 
 image.gif

Yes, the April 1 issue was full of 'em, including the announcement of the Apple 
Prime, the intended replacement for the Mac Pro. According to he article, the 
name derives from the surprising fact that  every Mac Prime model uses a prime 
number of processor cores rather than the usual multiples of two. 


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Perth, Western Australia
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Re: iCloud

[Tim Law]

What are you experiencing Stuart?

What are the two, or more, machines you are using. ie. are they both desktops 
using OSX and Mail.app or is one of them an iPad, iPhone etc and using iOS. ?

In Mail.app on OSX, your desktop, look in the grey/blue section on the left and 
tell us what the heading is of the folder the recalcitrant email is sitting in?
Is it ON MY MAC, MAILBOXES, ICLOUD or something different. 

In the Mail.app menus, go to Mailbox and go down to Sycnronise all accounts. 

Tim


On 27/01/2013, at 3:50 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 Not happening.
 
 Mail setting seem OK.  What do I then need to recheck?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 3:18 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Stuart,
 
 ALL iCloud email accounts are IMAP email accounts. 
 This means that when you delete a message from one device, it will be 
 removed from the server and from all other devices that access that email 
 account.
 
 If this is not happening check your Mail Settings.
 
 Tim is correct re: messages moved from Inbox.
 
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 3:00 PM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Stuart
 
 I have my Mail mail account setup using IMAP, which it sounds like your 
 me.com etc might be too. Check in Mail.app accounts and see if it says IMAP 
 or POP.
 
 Anyway, if I read or delete an email on one device, then it shows up as 
 read, or deleted, on my other devices. 
 
 This only works if you have set up your email to use IMAP.
 
 One thing tho is that this only works for things left in your Inbox, or 
 Sent, or Deleted, or Drafts - accounts that are stored on the server. 
 
 However IF you have transferred an email into an 'ON MY MAC' folder in 
 Mail, then you can't read, delete or anything with it from another device. 
 
 Tim
 
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 2:50 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 One question I would like to ask is about Mail and iCloud.
 
 When you send an e-mail using your @icloud.com or @me.com account a copy 
 of the e-mail appears on all your devices you have selected to sync to.  
 No problems with that.
 
 But when you delete an e-mail on one device have can you make sure that 
 the other copies on your other devices are deleted as well?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 7:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Are you using Mountain Lion?
 
 Answers to your questions in situ below.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given 
 to a collection of features, services, settings,
 and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread 
 of relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices 
 (Macs, iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
  iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more 
 than one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an 
 iPhone and an iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to 
 want all your devices to share many kinds
 of data. 
 Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, 
 calendars, bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types 
 of data (documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was 
 cumbersome and error-prone. 
 With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less 
 effort. 
 
 In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most 
 part, iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your 
 devices. 
 You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
 wherever you need it.
 
 Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all 
 your devices.
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching 
 up with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for 
 my email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into 
 the cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the 
 case then if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean 
 I can't access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
 

Re: iCloud

[Stuart Breden]

One question I would like to ask is about Mail and iCloud.

When you send an e-mail using your @icloud.com or @me.com account a copy of the 
e-mail appears on all your devices you have selected to sync to.  No problems 
with that.

But when you delete an e-mail on one device have can you make sure that the 
other copies on your other devices are deleted as well?

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

Please consider the environment before printing this email






On 08/01/2013, at 7:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Peter,
 
 Are you using Mountain Lion?
 
 Answers to your questions in situ below.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to a 
 collection of features, services, settings,
 and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread of 
 relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices (Macs, 
 iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
  iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more than 
 one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an iPhone and an 
 iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to want all your 
 devices to share many kinds
 of data. 
 Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, calendars, 
 bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types of data 
 (documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was cumbersome 
 and error-prone. 
 With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less effort. 
 
 In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most part, 
 iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your devices. 
 You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
 wherever you need it.
 
 Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all your 
 devices.
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into the 
 cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case then 
 if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I can't 
 access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
 iCloud keeps everything you select when you setup iCloud, in sync to all your 
 devices.
 Make a change on one device and it will sync to all other devices and your 
 Mac.
 
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?
 
 Whatever you set to sync when you setup iCloud
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on both 
 devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, what 
 happens?
 
 Which ever device has the most 'up to date' version will be synced to all 
 your devices  Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
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Re: iCloud

[Tim Law]

Hi Stuart

I have my Mail mail account setup using IMAP, which it sounds like your me.com 
etc might be too. Check in Mail.app accounts and see if it says IMAP or POP.

Anyway, if I read or delete an email on one device, then it shows up as read, 
or deleted, on my other devices. 

This only works if you have set up your email to use IMAP.

One thing tho is that this only works for things left in your Inbox, or Sent, 
or Deleted, or Drafts - accounts that are stored on the server. 

However IF you have transferred an email into an 'ON MY MAC' folder in Mail, 
then you can't read, delete or anything with it from another device. 

Tim


On 27/01/2013, at 2:50 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:

 One question I would like to ask is about Mail and iCloud.
 
 When you send an e-mail using your @icloud.com or @me.com account a copy of 
 the e-mail appears on all your devices you have selected to sync to.  No 
 problems with that.
 
 But when you delete an e-mail on one device have can you make sure that the 
 other copies on your other devices are deleted as well?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 7:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Are you using Mountain Lion?
 
 Answers to your questions in situ below.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to 
 a collection of features, services, settings,
 and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread of 
 relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices (Macs, 
 iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
  iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more than 
 one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an iPhone and an 
 iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to want all your 
 devices to share many kinds
 of data. 
 Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, calendars, 
 bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types of data 
 (documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was cumbersome 
 and error-prone. 
 With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less 
 effort. 
 
 In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most part, 
 iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your devices. 
 You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
 wherever you need it.
 
 Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all your 
 devices.
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my 
 email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into 
 the cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case 
 then if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I can't 
 access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
 iCloud keeps everything you select when you setup iCloud, in sync to all 
 your devices.
 Make a change on one device and it will sync to all other devices and your 
 Mac.
 
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?
 
 Whatever you set to sync when you setup iCloud
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on both 
 devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, what 
 happens?
 
 Which ever device has the most 'up to date' version will be synced to all 
 your devices  Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
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Re: iCloud

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Stuart,

ALL iCloud email accounts are IMAP email accounts. 
This means that when you delete a message from one device, it will be removed 
from the server and from all other devices that access that email account.

If this is not happening check your Mail Settings.

Tim is correct re: messages moved from Inbox.

Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad4

On 27/01/2013, at 3:00 PM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:

 Hi Stuart
 
 I have my Mail mail account setup using IMAP, which it sounds like your 
 me.com etc might be too. Check in Mail.app accounts and see if it says IMAP 
 or POP.
 
 Anyway, if I read or delete an email on one device, then it shows up as read, 
 or deleted, on my other devices. 
 
 This only works if you have set up your email to use IMAP.
 
 One thing tho is that this only works for things left in your Inbox, or Sent, 
 or Deleted, or Drafts - accounts that are stored on the server. 
 
 However IF you have transferred an email into an 'ON MY MAC' folder in Mail, 
 then you can't read, delete or anything with it from another device. 
 
 Tim
 
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 2:50 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 One question I would like to ask is about Mail and iCloud.
 
 When you send an e-mail using your @icloud.com or @me.com account a copy of 
 the e-mail appears on all your devices you have selected to sync to.  No 
 problems with that.
 
 But when you delete an e-mail on one device have can you make sure that the 
 other copies on your other devices are deleted as well?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 7:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Are you using Mountain Lion?
 
 Answers to your questions in situ below.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to 
 a collection of features, services, settings,
 and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread of 
 relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices 
 (Macs, iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
  iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more 
 than one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an iPhone 
 and an iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to want all 
 your devices to share many kinds
 of data. 
 Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, 
 calendars, bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types 
 of data (documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was 
 cumbersome and error-prone. 
 With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less 
 effort. 
 
 In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most part, 
 iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your devices. 
 You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
 wherever you need it.
 
 Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all 
 your devices.
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my 
 email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into 
 the cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case 
 then if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I 
 can't access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
 iCloud keeps everything you select when you setup iCloud, in sync to all 
 your devices.
 Make a change on one device and it will sync to all other devices and your 
 Mac.
 
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?
 
 Whatever you set to sync when you setup iCloud
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on 
 both devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, 
 what happens?
 
 Which ever device has the most 'up to date' version will be synced to all 
 your devices  Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
 Peter
 
 
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Re: iCloud

[Stuart Breden]

Not happening.

Mail setting seem OK.  What do I then need to recheck?

Stuart Breden
PO Box 132
Kalamunda WA 6926
Ph: (08) 9257 1577
Mbl: 0417 053 266

Please consider the environment before printing this email






On 27/01/2013, at 3:18 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

 Hi Stuart,
 
 ALL iCloud email accounts are IMAP email accounts. 
 This means that when you delete a message from one device, it will be removed 
 from the server and from all other devices that access that email account.
 
 If this is not happening check your Mail Settings.
 
 Tim is correct re: messages moved from Inbox.
 
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad4
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 3:00 PM, Tim Law t...@peoplehelp.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Stuart
 
 I have my Mail mail account setup using IMAP, which it sounds like your 
 me.com etc might be too. Check in Mail.app accounts and see if it says IMAP 
 or POP.
 
 Anyway, if I read or delete an email on one device, then it shows up as 
 read, or deleted, on my other devices. 
 
 This only works if you have set up your email to use IMAP.
 
 One thing tho is that this only works for things left in your Inbox, or 
 Sent, or Deleted, or Drafts - accounts that are stored on the server. 
 
 However IF you have transferred an email into an 'ON MY MAC' folder in Mail, 
 then you can't read, delete or anything with it from another device. 
 
 Tim
 
 
 On 27/01/2013, at 2:50 PM, Stuart Breden bred...@highway1.biz wrote:
 
 One question I would like to ask is about Mail and iCloud.
 
 When you send an e-mail using your @icloud.com or @me.com account a copy of 
 the e-mail appears on all your devices you have selected to sync to.  No 
 problems with that.
 
 But when you delete an e-mail on one device have can you make sure that the 
 other copies on your other devices are deleted as well?
 
 Stuart Breden
 PO Box 132
 Kalamunda WA 6926
 Ph: (08) 9257 1577
 Mbl: 0417 053 266
 
 Please consider the environment before printing this email
 
 
 
 
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 7:06 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi Peter,
 
 Are you using Mountain Lion?
 
 Answers to your questions in situ below.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
 The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given 
 to a collection of features, services, settings,
 and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread 
 of relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices 
 (Macs, iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.
 
 Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
  iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more 
 than one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an iPhone 
 and an iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to want 
 all your devices to share many kinds
 of data. 
 Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, 
 calendars, bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types 
 of data (documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was 
 cumbersome and error-prone. 
 With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less 
 effort. 
 
 In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most part, 
 iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your devices. 
 You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
 wherever you need it.
 
 Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all 
 your devices.
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 
 http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/
 
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my 
 email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into 
 the cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the 
 case then if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean 
 I can't access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
 iCloud keeps everything you select when you setup iCloud, in sync to all 
 your devices.
 Make a change on one device and it will sync to all other devices and your 
 Mac.
 
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar 
 information?
 
 Whatever you set to sync when you setup iCloud
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on 
 both devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, 
 what happens?
 
 Which ever device has the most 'up to date' version will be synced to all 
 your devices  Mac.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent 

Re: iCloud

[Curtis Peter]

Thank you all for your help!

I think I've said before that explanations, manuals, tutorials etc. rarely 
cover it all. You can have one of these fully cover an item but some other 
setting may override what your being shown, and unless your aware of this then 
the explanation, manual, tutorial etc. just doesn't work.

I used to have a fairly analytical mind but I seem to have lost it as I've aged.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure I've got it figured now, time will tell.

Thanks again
KInd regards
Peter

On 12/01/2013, at 6:01 AM, Rod Blitvich rb...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 How to set up iCloud
 
 
 
 http://www.macworld.com.au/help/how-to-set-up-icloud-83826/?utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=iPhone+6+could+launch+in+eight+colours+how+to+set+up+iCloud+pimp+your+Mac+and+much+much+moreutm_content=iPhone+6+could+launch+in+eight+colours+how+to+set+up+iCloud+pimp+your+Mac+and+much+much+more+CID_c6aac3f1fec5728978ffd33184a0150dutm_source=Email%20marketing%20software
 
 
 
 
 Rod Blitvich  - Amy  Sam’s Dad
 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au 
 http://web.mac.com/blitto
 
 I don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that.
 
 On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into the 
 cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case then 
 if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I can't 
 access my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on both 
 devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, what 
 happens?
 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
 Peter
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Re: iCloud

[Rod Blitvich]

How to set up iCloud



http://www.macworld.com.au/help/how-to-set-up-icloud-83826/?utm_medium=emailutm_campaign=iPhone+6+could+launch+in+eight+colours+how+to+set+up+iCloud+pimp+your+Mac+and+much+much+moreutm_content=iPhone+6+could+launch+in+eight+colours+how+to+set+up+iCloud+pimp+your+Mac+and+much+much+more+CID_c6aac3f1fec5728978ffd33184a0150dutm_source=Email%20marketing%20software




Rod Blitvich  - Amy  Sam’s Dad
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 
 0409 681 256  
 rb...@iinet.net.au 
 http://web.mac.com/blitto

I don't have a big ego, I'm way too cool for that.

On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into the 
 cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case then 
 if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I can't access 
 my contacts until I come back into range/area?
 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on both 
 devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, what 
 happens?
 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
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Re: iCloud

[Ronda Brown]

Hi Peter,

Are you using Mountain Lion?

Answers to your questions in situ below.

Short explanation of 'What is iCloud':
The name iCloud is, in fact, nothing more than an arbitrary label given to a 
collection of features, services, settings,
and APIs (application programming interfaces), joined by a common thread of 
relying on communication over the Internet between your Apple devices (Macs, 
iOS devices, and Apple TV) and Apple’s servers in the cloud.

Short explanation of 'What is iCloud for':
 iCloud helps your devices integrate with each other. If you have more than 
one digital device—say, two Macs, or a PC and an iPhone, or an iPhone and an 
iPad, or an iPod touch and an Apple TV—it’s only natural to want all your 
devices to share many kinds
of data. 
Prior to iCloud, MobileMe let you sync some data (mail, contacts, calendars, 
bookmarks) between devices seamlessly, but syncing other types of data 
(documents, photos, apps, and media) among all your devices was cumbersome and 
error-prone. 
With iCloud, syncing encompasses more kinds of data and requires less effort. 

In fact, the word “sync” almost becomes an anachronism; for the most part, 
iCloud pushes new or changed data almost instantly to all your devices. 
You can switch between devices with abandon, knowing your data is always 
wherever you need it.

Perhaps have a read about what iCloud is and how to setup iCloud on all your 
devices.
http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/

http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/setup/


On 08/01/2013, at 11:51 AM, Curtis Peter pe...@augold.com.au wrote:

 Hi Everyone
 I hope you all had a marvellous Christmas and a great New Year.
 Bit warm up here in Kalgoorlie, 44 yesterday, 45 today and supposedly 46 
 tomorrow! Good weather to stay indoors in the airconditioning catching up 
 with some computer stuff. Talking of computer stuff, the reason for my email.
 I'm still trying to get my head around the Cloud and have a couple of 
 queries which someone may be able to assist with.
 
 1. If I use the Cloud and sync my contacts, do all my contacts go into the 
 cloud taking them away from, or off my laptop? Should this be the case then 
 if I'm out of range of either phone or internet does this mean I can't access 
 my contacts until I come back into range/area?

No, iCloud does not take your contracts from your Mac.
iCloud keeps everything you select when you setup iCloud, in sync to all your 
devices.
Make a change on one device and it will sync to all other devices and your Mac.

 
 2. Does this apply to all sync'ed info like, music or calendar information?

Whatever you set to sync when you setup iCloud
 
 3. Which device takes preference in the sync? If I make alterations on both 
 devices, e.g. laptop and ipad, and one alteration updates another, what 
 happens?

Which ever device has the most 'up to date' version will be synced to all your 
devices  Mac.

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad4

 
 Thanks in anticipation.
 Kind regards
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Re: iCloud email

[John Daniels]

Hi Ronni

Thankyou for that detailed response, I have studied it many times.  I can see 
the difference tween POP  IMAP accounts and the advantages of each.  I am 
pursuing my research further now.

cheers

john


Sent from my iPad

On 09/07/2012, at 9:22 PM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hi John,
 
 Technically speaking, iCloud does not sync any email from your computer or 
 other devices, per se.  What iCloud does is provide you with a free @me.com 
 or @mac.com email account in much the same way that any other email provider 
 does.
 
 The point, however, is that iCloud doesn't sync your mail in the same way 
 as it does for contacts and calendars; your mail isn't uploaded from 
 Mail.app to the iCloud servers and then synced down to your devices.  This 
 would largely be redundant as unlike your own contacts and calendar 
 appointments, which you create yourself, most of your email came from the 
 cloud in the first place, so Mail.app on your Mac and the iOS Mail 
 application simply fetch your mail and sync changes via IMAP in the same way 
 as they would with any IMAP-based email account.  
 
 In fact, the only thing that iCloud provides that is different from any other 
 IMAP based email provider is that ability to get push notifications on iOS 
 devices for new e-mail messages; it otherwise works in much the same way as 
 any other IMAP account.
 
 If your email provider supports the IMAP protocol for accessing your email, 
 and you've set your devices up to use IMAP for that email account, changes 
 you make on one device (like deleting an email, or moving it to a folder) 
 will show up on all of your other devices. 
 
 If you're using the POP protocol to access your email, that's not the case. 
 Changes made one one device will not show up on other devices.
 How I get around this with the one email account I have that is a POP Account 
 (my Westnet mail account) I have it set to Remove copy from server after 
 retrieving a message: After one day... 
 Therefore I can access my POP email on all my devices during the day.
 If I was going to be away for more than a day without all my devices (my MBP, 
 iPad  iPhone) I could change the setting to not delete mail from the server 
 for a week or whatever.
 Of course you have to be careful with this setting if your ISP has a small 
 limit on how much email you can leave on the server.
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 09/07/2012, at 6:34 PM, Daniels John john...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi Ronni
 
 Thanks for the info.  Do you mean you can sync all your email addresses with 
 iCloud or only the @me or .mac ones?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
 
 
 On 05/07/2012, at 9:01 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 I have used iTools, .Mac, MobileMe and now iCloud.
 iCloud does everything it is designed to do and does it all very smoothly 
 and reliably.
 There is no problem using iCloud, set it up correctly on all your devices 
 and you won't have any problems.
 
 I have four active email accounts, Contacts  Calendar, Photos, syncing to 
 all my devices... MacBook Pro, iPhone4S, iPad.
 
 iCloud  http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 Setup iCloud on all your devices. http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels jdani...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to 
 delete emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
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Re: iCloud email

[Daniels John]

Hi Ronni

Thanks for the info.  Do you mean you can sync all your email addresses with 
iCloud or only the @me or .mac ones?

Cheers

John


On 05/07/2012, at 9:01 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

Hi John,

I have used iTools, .Mac, MobileMe and now iCloud.
iCloud does everything it is designed to do and does it all very smoothly and 
reliably.
There is no problem using iCloud, set it up correctly on all your devices and 
you won't have any problems.

I have four active email accounts, Contacts  Calendar, Photos, syncing to all 
my devices... MacBook Pro, iPhone4S, iPad.

iCloud  http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
Setup iCloud on all your devices. http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels jdani...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to delete 
 emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
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Re: iCloud email

[Ronda Brown]

Hi John,

Technically speaking, iCloud does not sync any email from your computer or 
other devices, per se.  What iCloud does is provide you with a free @me.com or 
@mac.com email account in much the same way that any other email provider does.

The point, however, is that iCloud doesn't sync your mail in the same way as 
it does for contacts and calendars; your mail isn't uploaded from Mail.app to 
the iCloud servers and then synced down to your devices.  This would largely be 
redundant as unlike your own contacts and calendar appointments, which you 
create yourself, most of your email came from the cloud in the first place, 
so Mail.app on your Mac and the iOS Mail application simply fetch your mail and 
sync changes via IMAP in the same way as they would with any IMAP-based email 
account.  

In fact, the only thing that iCloud provides that is different from any other 
IMAP based email provider is that ability to get push notifications on iOS 
devices for new e-mail messages; it otherwise works in much the same way as any 
other IMAP account.

If your email provider supports the IMAP protocol for accessing your email, and 
you've set your devices up to use IMAP for that email account, changes you make 
on one device (like deleting an email, or moving it to a folder) will show up 
on all of your other devices. 

If you're using the POP protocol to access your email, that's not the case. 
Changes made one one device will not show up on other devices.
How I get around this with the one email account I have that is a POP Account 
(my Westnet mail account) I have it set to Remove copy from server after 
retrieving a message: After one day... 
Therefore I can access my POP email on all my devices during the day.
If I was going to be away for more than a day without all my devices (my MBP, 
iPad  iPhone) I could change the setting to not delete mail from the server 
for a week or whatever.
Of course you have to be careful with this setting if your ISP has a small 
limit on how much email you can leave on the server.

Cheers,
Ronni
Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 09/07/2012, at 6:34 PM, Daniels John john...@me.com wrote:

 Hi Ronni
 
 Thanks for the info.  Do you mean you can sync all your email addresses with 
 iCloud or only the @me or .mac ones?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
 
 
 On 05/07/2012, at 9:01 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
 
 Hi John,
 
 I have used iTools, .Mac, MobileMe and now iCloud.
 iCloud does everything it is designed to do and does it all very smoothly and 
 reliably.
 There is no problem using iCloud, set it up correctly on all your devices and 
 you won't have any problems.
 
 I have four active email accounts, Contacts  Calendar, Photos, syncing to 
 all my devices... MacBook Pro, iPhone4S, iPad.
 
 iCloud  http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
 Setup iCloud on all your devices. http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 Sent from Ronni's iPad
 
 On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels jdani...@westnet.com.au wrote:
 
 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to delete 
 emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
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Re: iCloud email

[John Daniels]

Thankyou Ronni I will sign up after downloading Lion per your instructions.

Cheers

John
On 05/07/2012, at 9:01 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

Hi John,

I have used iTools, .Mac, MobileMe and now iCloud.
iCloud does everything it is designed to do and does it all very smoothly and 
reliably.
There is no problem using iCloud, set it up correctly on all your devices and 
you won't have any problems.

I have four active email accounts, Contacts  Calendar, Photos, syncing to all 
my devices... MacBook Pro, iPhone4S, iPad.

iCloud  http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
Setup iCloud on all your devices. http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels jdani...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to delete 
 emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 Cheers
 
 John
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Re: iCloud email

[John Daniels]

Thanks Peter,

I'll sign up and give it a go.

Cheers

John


On 06/07/2012, at 8:11 AM, Peter Hinchliffe wrote:
 

In the process of creating an iCloud account, a...@me.com email address is 
automatically created. Invariably, anyone setting an iCloud account will 
already have an existing email address, and at the very least this will be 
associated with their ISP. For my own part, becuase I am with Telstra Cable I 
have a bigpond email address. I have never ever used it - not even through 
webmail. I also have four or five other email addresses (including iCloud) that 
I rarely, if ever use, but each one has its uses for some specific reason.

Most people, I feel, will not be using their .me accounts as their primary 
email account for various reasons. This does not reflect the value or 
effectiveness of iCloud in any way. Of all of Apple's efforts in this area so 
far, iCloud seems to be the most successful.

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Re: iCloud email

[Ronda Brown]

Hi John,

I have used iTools, .Mac, MobileMe and now iCloud.
iCloud does everything it is designed to do and does it all very smoothly and 
reliably.
There is no problem using iCloud, set it up correctly on all your devices and 
you won't have any problems.

I have four active email accounts, Contacts  Calendar, Photos, syncing to all 
my devices... MacBook Pro, iPhone4S, iPad.

iCloud  http://www.apple.com/au/icloud/
Setup iCloud on all your devices. http://www.apple.com/icloud/setup/

Cheers,
Ronni

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels jdani...@westnet.com.au wrote:

 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to delete 
 emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 Cheers
 
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Re: iCloud email

[Peter Hinchliffe]

On 05/07/2012, at 7:52 PM, John Daniels wrote:

 Hi Muggers
 
 I recently signed up for iCloud with the @me.com address.  I understand 
 iCloud will sync my email actions between my iPad  and my desktop so that 
 emails deleted, sent etc will be actioned on both and I won't have to delete 
 emails twice.
 
 However I notice that only about 10% of WA muggers are using the @ me.com 
 address.
 
 Is there a problem with using iCloud that I haven't realised?
 
 

In the process of creating an iCloud account, a...@me.com email address is 
automatically created. Invariably, anyone setting an iCloud account will 
already have an existing email address, and at the very least this will be 
associated with their ISP. For my own part, becuase I am with Telstra Cable I 
have a bigpond email address. I have never ever used it - not even through 
webmail. I also have four or five other email addresses (including iCloud) that 
I rarely, if ever use, but each one has its uses for some specific reason.

Most people, I feel, will not be using their .me accounts as their primary 
email account for various reasons. This does not reflect the value or 
effectiveness of iCloud in any way. Of all of Apple's efforts in this area so 
far, iCloud seems to be the most successful.

Peter HinchliffeApwin Computer Services
FileMaker Pro Solutions Developer
Perth, Western Australia
Phone (618) 9332 6482Mob 0403 046 948

Mac because I prefer it -- Windows because I have to.

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Re: iCloud

[Joseph Mastrella]

Greetings! I apologize, I must have clicked on the reply button by mistake.

Cheers, Joe

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 7:29 AM, Ronda Brown ro...@mac.com wrote:

 Hey Joseph,

 Are you supplying an answer to this post? Or asking a question?

 Cheers,
 Ronni

 17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
 2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

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 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 On 28/10/2011, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Mastrella wrote:

  On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:51 AM, tom samson thefr...@iinet.net.au
 wrote:
 
  I have just returned home and upgraded to iCloud but it will only let me
  have a 21 character email address ,ime is 21 characters. Why then will
 it
  not recognise this?
  tom samson
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Re: iCloud

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On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:51 AM, tom samson thefr...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I have just returned home and upgraded to iCloud but it will only let me
 have a 21 character email address ,ime is 21 characters. Why then will it
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Re: iCloud

[Ronda Brown]

Hey Joseph,

Are you supplying an answer to this post? Or asking a question?

Cheers,
Ronni

17 MacBook Pro 2.3GHz Quad-Core i7 “Thunderbolt
2.3GHz / 8GB / 750GB @ 7200rpm HD

OS X 10.7.2 Lion
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
On 28/10/2011, at 4:49 PM, Joseph Mastrella wrote:

 On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 3:51 AM, tom samson thefr...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 I have just returned home and upgraded to iCloud but it will only let me
 have a 21 character email address ,ime is 21 characters. Why then will it
 not recognise this?
 tom samson
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