Re: Strange Safari behaviour for only one user ?

[Ronda Brown]

You're welcome Stephen,

There is nothing wrong with the Safari Application,  there is nothing wrong 
with the other two users on the Mac.
There is only a problem in the Son's Safari  / or Account.

I did mention previously, that because of Parental Controls he is probably not 
allowed to install anything.
Is this the case,  or would he have been able to install any plugins / add-ons?

Let us know how you get on anyway please.

Cheers,
Ronni (who is still celebrating The Pies Premiership ... the Chandon Cuvee 
Riche is slipping down beautifully ;-)

On 03/10/2010, at 8:40 AM, Stephen Chape wrote:

> Thank you Ronda,
> I am building a list of possible actions for my next visit to her home.
> I don't want her to think Macs are awkward as I have only converted her from
> Windows in the last 12 months !!
> 
> 
> On 03/10/2010, at 6:43 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> Hi again Stephen,
>> 
>> When you "Reset Safari..." from the Safari menu bar, check all the options.
>> 
>> You could also test the "plist" files. If your issue is specific to a single 
>> function of Safari, remove the related "plist" file (found in: MacintoshHD > 
>> Users > username > Library > Safari). 
>> Drag the "plist" file to your Desktop and restart Safari. 
>> If the issue is solved, trash the file from your Desktop.
>> 
>> Sent from Ronni's iPad
>> 
>> On 02/10/2010, at 9:56 PM, Stephen Chape  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you Ronni,
>>> 
>>> I had thought of repairing permissions as I left their home today.
>>> Will try on next visit.
>>> 
>>> However I did not think of "Rest Safari"
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2010, at 8:19 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>>> 
 
 On 02/10/2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
 
> Hi folks,
> 
> My step daughter has an iMac 17 inch 2GHz using Tiger.
> Each of her 2 children have their own log in (with the same parental 
> controls set up)
> 
> On Thursday her son started having a problem with Safari.
> He can open Safari and select anything in bookmarks OK.
> However once he opens Google, enters something in the search box and 
> clicks Search,
> the spinning beach ball appears, runs for about 30 seconds to a minute 
> and then
> Safari quits.
> 
> I tried opening the Apple website and that was fine, but once I entered 
> something in
> the search box and hit enter  Safari quit !!
> 
> Strange thing is that mum and daughter can log in and Safari is fine.
> 
> I have compared the Safari set up for both children and it is identical.
> 
> So I decided to delete the son as a user and up comes the spinning beach 
> ball for that !!
> Have to then force quit system preferences.
> 
> Any ideas please from anyone ??
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
 
 Hi Stephen,
 
 I presume Parental Controls is set to 'Not allow' the son to install any 
 plugins /add-ons.
 
 1. Have you Reset Safari in the Son's User Account?
 Choose "Reset Safari" from the Safari menu and click "Reset".
 
 2. Have you "Repaired Permissions" on the Son's Account?
 
 
 Cheers,
 Ronni
 
 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
 2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
 
 OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
 Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
 




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Re: Strange Safari behaviour for only one user ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronda,
I am building a list of possible actions for my next visit to her home.
I don't want her to think Macs are awkward as I have only converted her from
Windows in the last 12 months !!


On 03/10/2010, at 6:43 AM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> Hi again Stephen,
> 
> When you "Reset Safari..." from the Safari menu bar, check all the options.
> 
> You could also test the "plist" files. If your issue is specific to a single 
> function of Safari, remove the related "plist" file (found in: MacintoshHD > 
> Users > username > Library > Safari). 
> Drag the "plist" file to your Desktop and restart Safari. 
> If the issue is solved, trash the file from your Desktop.
> 
> Sent from Ronni's iPad
> 
> On 02/10/2010, at 9:56 PM, Stephen Chape  wrote:
> 
>> Thank you Ronni,
>> 
>> I had thought of repairing permissions as I left their home today.
>> Will try on next visit.
>> 
>> However I did not think of "Rest Safari"
>> 
>> On 02/10/2010, at 8:19 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
>>> 
 Hi folks,
 
 My step daughter has an iMac 17 inch 2GHz using Tiger.
 Each of her 2 children have their own log in (with the same parental 
 controls set up)
 
 On Thursday her son started having a problem with Safari.
 He can open Safari and select anything in bookmarks OK.
 However once he opens Google, enters something in the search box and 
 clicks Search,
 the spinning beach ball appears, runs for about 30 seconds to a minute and 
 then
 Safari quits.
 
 I tried opening the Apple website and that was fine, but once I entered 
 something in
 the search box and hit enter  Safari quit !!
 
 Strange thing is that mum and daughter can log in and Safari is fine.
 
 I have compared the Safari set up for both children and it is identical.
 
 So I decided to delete the son as a user and up comes the spinning beach 
 ball for that !!
 Have to then force quit system preferences.
 
 Any ideas please from anyone ??
 
 Regards,
 Stephen Chape
>>> 
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>> 
>>> I presume Parental Controls is set to 'Not allow' the son to install any 
>>> plugins /add-ons.
>>> 
>>> 1. Have you Reset Safari in the Son's User Account?
>>> Choose "Reset Safari" from the Safari menu and click "Reset".
>>> 
>>> 2. Have you "Repaired Permissions" on the Son's Account?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> Ronni
>>> 
>>> 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
>>> 2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
>>> 
>>> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
>>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Strange Safari behaviour for only one user ?

[Ronda Brown]

Hi again Stephen,

When you "Reset Safari..." from the Safari menu bar, check all the options.

You could also test the "plist" files. If your issue is specific to a single 
function of Safari, remove the related "plist" file (found in: MacintoshHD > 
Users > username > Library > Safari). 
Drag the "plist" file to your Desktop and restart Safari. 
If the issue is solved, trash the file from your Desktop.

Sent from Ronni's iPad

On 02/10/2010, at 9:56 PM, Stephen Chape  wrote:

> Thank you Ronni,
> 
> I had thought of repairing permissions as I left their home today.
> Will try on next visit.
> 
> However I did not think of "Rest Safari"
> 
> On 02/10/2010, at 8:19 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On 02/10/2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> My step daughter has an iMac 17 inch 2GHz using Tiger.
>>> Each of her 2 children have their own log in (with the same parental 
>>> controls set up)
>>> 
>>> On Thursday her son started having a problem with Safari.
>>> He can open Safari and select anything in bookmarks OK.
>>> However once he opens Google, enters something in the search box and clicks 
>>> Search,
>>> the spinning beach ball appears, runs for about 30 seconds to a minute and 
>>> then
>>> Safari quits.
>>> 
>>> I tried opening the Apple website and that was fine, but once I entered 
>>> something in
>>> the search box and hit enter  Safari quit !!
>>> 
>>> Strange thing is that mum and daughter can log in and Safari is fine.
>>> 
>>> I have compared the Safari set up for both children and it is identical.
>>> 
>>> So I decided to delete the son as a user and up comes the spinning beach 
>>> ball for that !!
>>> Have to then force quit system preferences.
>>> 
>>> Any ideas please from anyone ??
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
>> 
>> Hi Stephen,
>> 
>> I presume Parental Controls is set to 'Not allow' the son to install any 
>> plugins /add-ons.
>> 
>> 1. Have you Reset Safari in the Son's User Account?
>> Choose "Reset Safari" from the Safari menu and click "Reset".
>> 
>> 2. Have you "Repaired Permissions" on the Son's Account?
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Ronni
>> 
>> 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
>> 2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
>> 
>> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
>> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Strange Safari behaviour for only one user ?

[Stephen Chape]

Thank you Ronni,

I had thought of repairing permissions as I left their home today.
Will try on next visit.

However I did not think of "Rest Safari"

On 02/10/2010, at 8:19 PM, Ronda Brown wrote:

> 
> On 02/10/2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> My step daughter has an iMac 17 inch 2GHz using Tiger.
>> Each of her 2 children have their own log in (with the same parental 
>> controls set up)
>> 
>> On Thursday her son started having a problem with Safari.
>> He can open Safari and select anything in bookmarks OK.
>> However once he opens Google, enters something in the search box and clicks 
>> Search,
>> the spinning beach ball appears, runs for about 30 seconds to a minute and 
>> then
>> Safari quits.
>> 
>> I tried opening the Apple website and that was fine, but once I entered 
>> something in
>> the search box and hit enter  Safari quit !!
>> 
>> Strange thing is that mum and daughter can log in and Safari is fine.
>> 
>> I have compared the Safari set up for both children and it is identical.
>> 
>> So I decided to delete the son as a user and up comes the spinning beach 
>> ball for that !!
>> Have to then force quit system preferences.
>> 
>> Any ideas please from anyone ??
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape
> 
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> I presume Parental Controls is set to 'Not allow' the son to install any 
> plugins /add-ons.
> 
> 1. Have you Reset Safari in the Son's User Account?
> Choose "Reset Safari" from the Safari menu and click "Reset".
> 
> 2. Have you "Repaired Permissions" on the Son's Account?
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ronni
> 
> 17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
> 2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm
> 
> OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
> Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Strange Safari behaviour for only one user ?

[Ronda Brown]

On 02/10/2010, at 4:18 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> My step daughter has an iMac 17 inch 2GHz using Tiger.
> Each of her 2 children have their own log in (with the same parental controls 
> set up)
> 
> On Thursday her son started having a problem with Safari.
> He can open Safari and select anything in bookmarks OK.
> However once he opens Google, enters something in the search box and clicks 
> Search,
> the spinning beach ball appears, runs for about 30 seconds to a minute and 
> then
> Safari quits.
> 
> I tried opening the Apple website and that was fine, but once I entered 
> something in
> the search box and hit enter  Safari quit !!
> 
> Strange thing is that mum and daughter can log in and Safari is fine.
> 
> I have compared the Safari set up for both children and it is identical.
> 
> So I decided to delete the son as a user and up comes the spinning beach ball 
> for that !!
> Have to then force quit system preferences.
> 
> Any ideas please from anyone ??
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape

Hi Stephen,

I presume Parental Controls is set to 'Not allow' the son to install any 
plugins /add-ons.

1. Have you Reset Safari in the Son's User Account?
Choose "Reset Safari" from the Safari menu and click "Reset".

2. Have you "Repaired Permissions" on the Son's Account?


Cheers,
Ronni

17" MacBook Pro  Intel Core i7
2.66GHz / 4GB / 1067 MHz DDR3 / 500GB Serial ATA Drive @ 7200rpm

OS X 10.6.3 Snow Leopard
Windows 7 Ultimate (under sufferance)







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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[alcrom]

Hello.
I am on  dial-up with Bigpond.
I disconnect then connect.
So far the above works for me.
Makes Telstra richer as well. ( Extra dial up.)  :(
  Regards from Alan.

Manual DNS was Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Rob Findlay]

I just came in on this one. I was having the double entry problem a couple
of months ago so I added DNS entries for my ISP and haven't had an issue
since.
Rob

> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, AS a matter of interest do the people who are still having trouble
>> have the DNS numbers of their ISP inserted in their Network TCP/ IP
>> panel
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Rod]

Hi All!

It seems we are not alone with DNS dramas in 10.3.  For those who are
interested, there is a discussion on macosxhints:



Its on today's page.  If it is been bumped, have a look in the 'Network'
section.

Seeya

Rod!

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Stephen Chape]

I do now Bob.
I'll let you know the outcome !

On 07/11/2004, at 2:41 PM, Robert Howells wrote:




So, AS a matter of interest do the people who are still having trouble
have the DNS numbers of their ISP inserted in their Network TCP/ IP 
panel


Bob



On 07/11/2004, at 2:26 PM, Greg Sharp wrote:

I also have found the problem still exits when I visited Version 
Tracker
using Safari. I think Apple may have fixed one particular problem but 
there

appears to be a bigger problem that can effect anyone based on similar
reports from Linux & Windows users. It might not be widespread but 
something

is happening behind the scenes

All the best
Greg

On 7/11/04 4:45 PM, "Adam Lippiatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:



I updated the MacOS to 10.3.6 and am still getting the double entry
problem with Safari.

Adam



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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Stephen Chape]

I am too Adam,
I am trying the manual DNS resolution, but haven't checked it yet.

On 07/11/2004, at 1:45 PM, Adam Lippiatt wrote:

I updated the MacOS to 10.3.6 and am still getting the double entry 
problem with Safari.


Adam
On 07/11/2004, at 12:03 PM, Vladimir James wrote:


Where I previously clicked on the URL, saw the address in the Safari
window, but received the message that Safari could not find the 
server,

then had to use the return key before being able to enter the site...

...with the 10.3.6 Update, I have had no problems of this type so far.

Vlad James

 some WAMUG comments ---
For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, 
or
a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a 
message

telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
connects.


 A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to 
receive
reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS 
server
addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be 
indicative
of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS 
return

systems.

 snip   more from WAMUG
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My own browsing seems to have bad patches either for a whole session
or part.  Entering my isp's dns numbers had good and bad effects.  It
enabled smoother page getting for the most part, but my calls for
streaming radio files from the BBC and NPR were delayed consistently.
Interestingly, when I used the RealPlayer browser itself, instead of
Safari and Camino, the files were served up properly - and then I was
able to access them in Safari and Camino consequently.I guess OS
X caches them somehow.
I have experienced one session where the delay (stutter if you will)
was removed by removing my isp's
numbers.
There appears to be no consistent fault and no consistent fix with 
my set-up.

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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Greg Sharp]

Most people use their ISP's DNS as this provides shorter ping times and
frequent requests are cached for quicker responses.

However this doesn't mean you can't use another DNS server and I think you
can use any you can get an IP for whatever the ISP. DNS servers are set to
relay requests to and from anywhere so they should always be available to
the public as long as they're not behind a router for use on a private
network (some people set up their own DNS servers on their network to speed
up serving and allow for greater control).

You can even in your network settings allocate one of your ISP's DNS servers
as well as a second DNS server that can be somewhere else. This might not
fix the problem but at least would provide a fallback in case the problem is
in any way related to your ISP.

All the best
Greg Sharp
President/Webmaster
Australian Mac Users Group

On 9/11/04 7:08 PM, "Craig Ringer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Not really ... generally you'll want to pick up your ISPs settings
> rather than specify them explicitly. That way, if your ISP changes DNS
> servers your computer just picks up the change rather than stops
> working.
> 
> For troubleshooting a specific problem, however, it may be worth
> explicitly configuring them.

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Craig Ringer]

On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 15:52, Nancy McIntyre wrote:

> By the sounds of it, the best thing is to leave *nothing* unspecified.

Not really ... generally you'll want to pick up your ISPs settings
rather than specify them explicitly. That way, if your ISP changes DNS
servers your computer just picks up the change rather than stops
working.

For troubleshooting a specific problem, however, it may be worth
explicitly configuring them.

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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Nancy McIntyre]

At 2:24 PM +0800 9/11/04, Robert Howells wrote:
The alternative to inserting the DNS numbers is to insert the Domain 
name and let the server work from that.


Some people just do that ! I usually enter both from old habits !
Bob


Thanks for the DNS 101 :-)  Good to know about **all** the boxes.

At 2:37 PM +0800 9/11/04, Craig Ringer wrote:

 OK, then if, as Craig says, ISPs almost without exception specify
 DNSs then is it fair to reason that the reported fix of entering the
 DNS is working because a significant number of ISPs do *not* specify
 their DNS?


Probably not. It's more likely that there's a software problem on the
affected macs that causes them not to properly pick up the DNS
information supplied by the ISPs. Maybe manually entering the DNS server
information works around the problem. This is just guesswork, as I
haven't read up on the issue, but seems a reasonable explanation for why
a fix like that would work.



Ah, ok.

I shall make my tests with all combinations and perms then.

By the sounds of it, the best thing is to leave *nothing* unspecified.

thanks for your taking the time :-)

Nancy M

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Craig Ringer]

On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 14:12, Nancy McIntyre wrote:

> OK, then if, as Craig says, ISPs almost without exception specify 
> DNSs then is it fair to reason that the reported fix of entering the 
> DNS is working because a significant number of ISPs do *not* specify 
> their DNS?

Probably not. It's more likely that there's a software problem on the
affected macs that causes them not to properly pick up the DNS
information supplied by the ISPs. Maybe manually entering the DNS server
information works around the problem. This is just guesswork, as I
haven't read up on the issue, but seems a reasonable explanation for why
a fix like that would work.

> Are these ISPs 'cheating' and riding on other providers' 
> infrastructure perhaps?  I note that in the maxfixit thread, a couple 
> of users found no joy from specifying their providers' DNSs.

It's not very likely that they're doing that, no. In your case, the two
IP addreses you get for DNS servers in your log resolve to
dns1.westnet.com.au and relay1.westnet.com.au respectively. Both are
within WestNet's normal IP address space.

It might be worth specifying them explicitly in your settings anyway -
just in case. For testing purposes, you might also want to try iiNet's
DNS - 203.0.178.191 - but I don't know if you're allowed to use that for
your regular DNS if you're not with iiNet.

--
Craig Ringer

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Nancy McIntyre]

At 1:04 PM +0800 9/11/04, Craig Ringer wrote:

 So this may be the reason that I haven't found any consistent
 behaviour with the Safari stutter :-)

 Do other ISPs serve you up their DNS like this?


Yes, almost without exception. You can override it if you really feel
the need, but it's generally not a great idea to do so. The settings
sent by your ISP are really just advice to your computer "these will
work, so you should probably use them." It should be possible to tell
your computer to ignore the ISP provided settings and use a different
DNS instead.

That said, I'm using WestNet's DNS as well, and not seeing any issues,
though I'm admittedly not currently at an OS/X box.


At 1:21 PM +0800 9/11/04, Robert Howells wrote:

Hi Nancy,
If you go to  
you will find that for West Aust the westnet DNS is shown as 202.72.191.162

the same number as shown in your info below.

There seems to be a general census ( at Macintouch.com ) that when 
you insert the numbers  into your preferences the troubles with 
Safari go away..
There is a suggestion that it may be a timing issue when the ISP has 
to find the DNS numbers.


Try it and see how you go !

Bob

I have always configured with the numbers in and have no troubles so far.



OK, then if, as Craig says, ISPs almost without exception specify 
DNSs then is it fair to reason that the reported fix of entering the 
DNS is working because a significant number of ISPs do *not* specify 
their DNS?
Are these ISPs 'cheating' and riding on other providers' 
infrastructure perhaps?  I note that in the maxfixit thread, a couple 
of users found no joy from specifying their providers' DNSs.


BTW these questions aren't because I am having any noticeable 
difficulty with my own installation (except for wanting to work out 
the configuration most likely to get me success with scheduled 
recordings) - I am just a stickybeak :-)  Feel free to ignore me 
if you are busy with real stuff ;-)




Nancy M

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Craig Ringer]

On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 12:01, Nancy McIntyre wrote:

> So this may be the reason that I haven't found any consistent 
> behaviour with the Safari stutter :-)
> 
> Do other ISPs serve you up their DNS like this?

Yes, almost without exception. You can override it if you really feel
the need, but it's generally not a great idea to do so. The settings
sent by your ISP are really just advice to your computer "these will
work, so you should probably use them." It should be possible to tell
your computer to ignore the ISP provided settings and use a different
DNS instead.

That said, I'm using WestNet's DNS as well, and not seeing any issues,
though I'm admittedly not currently at an OS/X box.

--
Craig ringer

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Nancy McIntyre]

Wll, it appears from my system log that I am given no option on 
DNS by my ISP - the wonderful Westnet.


I have 10.3.5 running (always a bit scared to do a major update until 
I see what happens to others out there - Windoze habit of many 
ouches) and I have **no** DNS specified in the networking prefs.


Extract from the 'system log' just now:

"Nov  9 11:44:03 localhost pppd[651]: Serial connection established.
Nov  9 11:44:03 localhost pppd[651]: Using interface ppp0
Nov  9 11:44:03 localhost pppd[651]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/cu.modem
Nov  9 11:44:05 localhost pppd[651]: local  IP address 220.235.56.233
Nov  9 11:44:05 localhost pppd[651]: remote IP address 202.72.191.162
Nov  9 11:44:05 localhost pppd[651]: primary   DNS address 202.72.191.199
Nov  9 11:44:05 localhost pppd[651]: secondary DNS address 203.10.1.9"

So this may be the reason that I haven't found any consistent 
behaviour with the Safari stutter :-)


Do other ISPs serve you up their DNS like this?

Nancy M

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Vladimir James]

Rats! I was too hasty. The problem has returned. Some URLs (eg BankWest
and VersionTracker, but NOT the ABC) require a second try. I am not
inserting DNS numbers.

Vlad James

On 06/11/04 I wrote:

>Where I previously clicked on the URL, saw the address in the Safari
>window, but received the message that Safari could not find the server,
>then had to use the return key before being able to enter the site...

>...with the 10.3.6 Update, I have had no problems of this type so far.

-
On 07/11/2004, at 2:26 PM, Greg Sharp wrote:

> I also have found the problem still exits when I visited Version 
> Tracker using Safari. I think Apple may have fixed one particular
problem but 
> there appears to be a bigger problem that can effect anyone based on similar
> reports from Linux & Windows users. It might not be widespread but 
> something is happening behind the scenes

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Robert Howells]

People still experiencing Safari problems may want to read this
Macfixit article


Bob






On 07/11/2004, at 3:06 PM, Greg Sharp wrote:

My Netgear WGR614 router is set to automatically use my ISP's DNS and 
all

my LAN machines have my ISP's DNS set manually on each machine.

Greg

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So, AS a matter of interest do the people who are still having trouble
have the DNS numbers of their ISP inserted in their Network TCP/ IP
panel

Bob



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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Greg Sharp]

My Netgear WGR614 router is set to automatically use my ISP's DNS and all
my LAN machines have my ISP's DNS set manually on each machine.

Greg

On 7/11/04 5:41 PM, "Robert Howells" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> So, AS a matter of interest do the people who are still having trouble
> have the DNS numbers of their ISP inserted in their Network TCP/ IP
> panel
> 
> Bob

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Matt Morgan]

It hasn't solved the problem for me either. I also have it with Firefox.

Matt.


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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Robert Howells]

So, AS a matter of interest do the people who are still having trouble
have the DNS numbers of their ISP inserted in their Network TCP/ IP 
panel


Bob



On 07/11/2004, at 2:26 PM, Greg Sharp wrote:

I also have found the problem still exits when I visited Version 
Tracker
using Safari. I think Apple may have fixed one particular problem but 
there

appears to be a bigger problem that can effect anyone based on similar
reports from Linux & Windows users. It might not be widespread but 
something

is happening behind the scenes

All the best
Greg

On 7/11/04 4:45 PM, "Adam Lippiatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I updated the MacOS to 10.3.6 and am still getting the double entry
problem with Safari.

Adam



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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Greg Sharp]

I also have found the problem still exits when I visited Version Tracker
using Safari. I think Apple may have fixed one particular problem but there
appears to be a bigger problem that can effect anyone based on similar
reports from Linux & Windows users. It might not be widespread but something
is happening behind the scenes

All the best
Greg

On 7/11/04 4:45 PM, "Adam Lippiatt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I updated the MacOS to 10.3.6 and am still getting the double entry
> problem with Safari.
> 
> Adam

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Adam Lippiatt]

I updated the MacOS to 10.3.6 and am still getting the double entry 
problem with Safari.


Adam
On 07/11/2004, at 12:03 PM, Vladimir James wrote:


Where I previously clicked on the URL, saw the address in the Safari
window, but received the message that Safari could not find the server,
then had to use the return key before being able to enter the site...

...with the 10.3.6 Update, I have had no problems of this type so far.

Vlad James

 some WAMUG comments ---

For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or
a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message
telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
connects.


 A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to 
receive
reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS 
server
addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be 
indicative

of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS return
systems.

 snip   more from WAMUG
-

My own browsing seems to have bad patches either for a whole session
or part.  Entering my isp's dns numbers had good and bad effects.  It
enabled smoother page getting for the most part, but my calls for
streaming radio files from the BBC and NPR were delayed consistently.
Interestingly, when I used the RealPlayer browser itself, instead of
Safari and Camino, the files were served up properly - and then I was
able to access them in Safari and Camino consequently.I guess OS
X caches them somehow.
I have experienced one session where the delay (stutter if you will)
was removed by removing my isp's
numbers.
There appears to be no consistent fault and no consistent fix with my 
set-up.

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Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Vladimir James]

Where I previously clicked on the URL, saw the address in the Safari
window, but received the message that Safari could not find the server,
then had to use the return key before being able to enter the site...

...with the 10.3.6 Update, I have had no problems of this type so far.

Vlad James

 some WAMUG comments ---
>> For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or
>> a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message
>> telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
>> connects.

>>  A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to receive
>>reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS server
>>addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be indicative
>>of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS return
>>systems.
 snip   more from WAMUG
-
>My own browsing seems to have bad patches either for a whole session 
>or part.  Entering my isp's dns numbers had good and bad effects.  It 
>enabled smoother page getting for the most part, but my calls for 
>streaming radio files from the BBC and NPR were delayed consistently.
>Interestingly, when I used the RealPlayer browser itself, instead of 
>Safari and Camino, the files were served up properly - and then I was 
>able to access them in Safari and Camino consequently.I guess OS 
>X caches them somehow.
>I have experienced one session where the delay (stutter if you will) 
>was removed by removing my isp's
>numbers.
>There appears to be no consistent fault and no consistent fix with my set-up.
---

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Robert Howells]

On 06/11/2004, at 11:01 AM, Nancy McIntyre wrote:


At 5:04 AM +0800 6/11/04, WAMUG Mailing List wrote:

in Daniel Kerr's notes:


 A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to 
receive
reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS 
server
addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be 
indicative

of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS return
systems.


I can confirm this.  I still read several pc tech help lists and the 
DNS unavailable problem is being reported patchily there.  It has even 
come up in the ABC's tech talk forum, which is a tiny backwater of 
geekdom.


My own browsing seems to have bad patches either for a whole session 
or part.  Entering my isp's dns numbers had good and bad effects.


OS 10.3.4 with security updates :

I have always entered the ISP's DNS numbers .

I have not experienced this problem that I am aware of.

Bob

Re: strange Safari behaviour

[Nancy McIntyre]

At 5:04 AM +0800 6/11/04, WAMUG Mailing List wrote:

in Daniel Kerr's notes:


 A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to receive
reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS server
addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be indicative
of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS return
systems.


I can confirm this.  I still read several pc tech help lists and the 
DNS unavailable problem is being reported patchily there.  It has 
even come up in the ABC's tech talk forum, which is a tiny backwater 
of geekdom.


My own browsing seems to have bad patches either for a whole session 
or part.  Entering my isp's dns numbers had good and bad effects.  It 
enabled smoother page getting for the most part, but my calls for 
streaming radio files from the BBC and NPR were delayed consistently.
Interestingly, when I used the RealPlayer browser itself, instead of 
Safari and Camino, the files were served up properly - and then I was 
able to access them in Safari and Camino consequently.I guess OS 
X caches them somehow.
I have experienced one session where the delay (stutter if you will) 
was removed by removing my isp's

numbers.
There appears to be no consistent fault and no consistent fix with my set-up.

I am on a dial-up connection and don't find the problem annoying 
enough to make my net use difficult.
I am guessing that it may be more disrupting in work which relies on 
smooth browsing.


I will be interested to see other's experiences with this.

Nancy M

Re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Daniel Kerr]

On 5/11/2004 9:22 AM, "Michael Hawkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On 5/11/04 5:04 AM, "WAMUG Mailing List"  wrote:
> 
>> On 03/11/2004, at 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi folks,
>>> 
>>> Has any one seen this with Safari ?
>>> For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or
>>> a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message
>>> telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
>>> connects.
>>> 
>>> This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
>>> Any ideas would be appreciated ?
>>> 
>>> PS: I have not changed any settings anywhere.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Stephen Chape
> 

I also have the same problem here as well. I've just noticed this on
MacFixit,..so don't know if it will help. There appear to be a few people
with this problem

---quote---
Safari Connectivity (#5): Turn on "DNS Relay"; Further confirmation for
manually entering DNS numbers; more

Continuing coverage of an issue where Safari can't connect to some sites on
the first try, but (for most users) will eventually load the desired page
after several tries, we have another solution for router users, and further
confirmation for earlier fixes.

 Turn on "DNS Relay" MacFixIt reader Steve Hoge reports that turning on the
"DNS Relay" option on his router resolved connectivity issues for the most
part. Most routers are accessible through your Web browser -- check your
manual for instructions.

 Hoge writes "I have also been experiencing the "Safari connectivity"
problem since upgrading with the latest security patch. However, I solved
the problem (at least greatly speeded up the name resolution/page loading in
Safari) by turning ON the 'DNS Relay' parameter on the LAN tab of my D-Link
AirPlus Extreme G router's web admin page. Turning it OFF and accessing new
URLS whose domains I know are not in DNS cache reveals the problem again."

 Further confirmation for manually entering DNS numbers Manually inserting
DNS server addresses has, time and again, emerged as the most consistent
workaround for this issue.

 The DNS numbers can be obtained from your ISP, or another ISP -- any DNS
server will work, though some may be more responsive.

 In order to enter the numbers, open the Network pane of System Preferences,
and select your current connection method from the "Show:" pull-down menu.
Next, click the "TCP/IP" tab, and enter the addresses (separated by line) in
the "DNS Servers:" field.

 We've received dozens of success reports using this method, including one
from MacFixIt reader Tom Dillon:

 "I use Charter.net for my cable ISP. today all of my browsers were timing
out at most web pages, I entered the 3 DNS numbers I have for Charter and
now all browsers are working faster and not having trouble digesting any web
addresses."

 A wider problem? Of interesting note is that we are beginning to receive
reports from some users who have recently had to manually enter DNS server
addresses on non-Macs to resolve connectivity issues. This may be indicative
of a wider problem -- perhaps increased lag from many ISPs DNS return
systems.

 MacFixIt reader Doug Eldred writes "I just had to add the DNS addresses on
my PC, too! (Haven't used it since before the 'NO DNS' episode began on my
Mac.)"
---end quote---

Hope that helps. (Yet to try it here.) :o)

Kind Regards
Daniel
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re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Michael Hawkins]

On 5/11/04 5:04 AM, "WAMUG Mailing List"  wrote:

> On 03/11/2004, at 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:
> 
>> Hi folks,
>> 
>> Has any one seen this with Safari ?
>> For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or
>> a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message
>> telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
>> connects.
>> 
>> This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
>> Any ideas would be appreciated ?
>> 
>> PS: I have not changed any settings anywhere.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Stephen Chape


I have had the same problem since I downloaded updated Apple software last
week, via Software Update. Just like Stephen, I have to go to web addresses
twice before they will load.

Unfortunately I can't remember what it was that I downloaded. A security
update and QuickTime, I think. Or was it iTunes? I restarted and repaired
permissions after installing the new software.

I'm running OS 10.3.5 on a G3 PowerBook 400, Safari 1.2.3 (v125.9)

Michael Hawkins.

Re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Richard Kay]

On 03/11/2004, at 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

Has any one seen this with Safari ?
For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or 
a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message 
telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it 
connects.


This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
Any ideas would be appreciated ?

PS: I have not changed any settings anywhere.

Regards,
Stephen Chape


A few more suggestions:

1. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107657

2. http://discussions.info.apple.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.689e27cf

[Note: Message #3 in Thread 2 above is very comprehensive]

3. http://discussions.info.apple.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.4aab0eab

rmkay

Re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Matt Morgan]

Stephen,

I've got it as well, but probably worse. It can take several times to
connect. It also means I get ?s instead of pictures in my mail.
I also have had sending mail/server problems at the same time. I haven't a
clue what to do as I have to keep closing Mail, sometimes rebooting just to
send an e-mail. It might not be related, but its funny that they both
happened at the same time.

I've read that it could be a DNS related problem, but some reports tie it
into one of the recent security updates.

There's a site, Macfixit, I think that has some reports.

Matt



on 3/11/04 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> Has any one seen this with Safari ?
> For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or a
> link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message
> telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it
> connects.
> 
> This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
> Any ideas would be appreciated ?
> 
> PS: I have not changed any settings anywhere.
> 
> Regards,
> Stephen Chape
> 
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Re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Richard Kay]

On 03/11/2004, at 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

Has any one seen this with Safari ?
For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or 
a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message 
telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it 
connects.


This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
Any ideas would be appreciated ?

PS: I have not changed any settings anywhere.

Regards,
Stephen Chape


Another possible place where a solution may be found is Apple's Safari 
Support Page:


http://www.apple.com/support/safari/

rmkay

Re: Strange Safari behaviour

[Richard Kay]

On 03/11/2004, at 7:38 PM, Stephen Chape wrote:


Hi folks,

Has any one seen this with Safari ?
For the last few days each time I go to a website (from bookmarks, or 
a link, or typed in manually) it does not connect and I get a message 
telling me the server cannot be found. But if I try a second time it 
connects.


This is driving me crazy going to every web address twice to get in !!
Any ideas would be appreciated ?


Go to:

http://www.macfixit.com/

for some solutions.

rmkay