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Portman wrote: Hi Alex, Welcome to the list! hey, thanks! :) Thank you for the URL. np [snip] I feel much better turning him down. result! A. The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hi Alex, Welcome to the list! Thank you for the URL. I actually wrote to the guy last night and told him I was not going to do the project. I also sent him some snippets of the list's comments about the site. He wrote back that he appreciated my honesty and would pass the feedback on to the higher-ups. I feel much better turning him down. :-) Riva Alex Beston wrote: hi List my first post btw... IMO, if you have someone whos approached you in this way, I would start getting a bit nervous. If you havent read this, it may be worth a look. http://andybudd.com/archives/2005/05/10_bad_project_warning_signs/ so if you immediately feel a tad sweaty about it, best to back out after sending the guy your usual T C's and deal with people who take you seriously Alex The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re:[wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
Riva wrote: I remember getting into an e-discussion about websites on a soaping e-mail group. One person claimed that it didn't matter if there were spelling mistakes or typos on her site, it was the product that people came for. I countered that typos and spelling mistakes make a statement about the effort that person puts into things - if they don't care that the website has errors, will they care if the soap is substandard? Tim adds: I've been shopping online for years, and if they can't spell something right, I don't buy from them unless they're the sole source and I gotta have it. If they can't spell correctly, they probably can't pack it correctly either, and they for sure can't service it correctly. Spelling and grammar on a website are such small, simple things to do well that there's no excuse for doing them any other way. Hardnose Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Dear Hardnose Tim ;-) , The fact that so many programs have spell checkers today makes it even more inexcusable. I heard from a HR person once that, when they post a job, if any of the resumes have typos or spelling mistakes on them (in the cover letter), they don't even bother looking at the resume. They toss it right away. Riva Furry, Tim wrote: Tim adds: I've been shopping online for years, and if they can't spell something right, I don't buy from them unless they're the sole source and I gotta have it. If they can't spell correctly, they probably can't pack it correctly either, and they for sure can't service it correctly. Spelling and grammar on a website are such small, simple things to do well that there's no excuse for doing them any other way. Hardnose Tim The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. your first order of business is to write the clause for the contract that stipulates how to measure these results in a non-subjective manner rudy The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
Riva, Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. Define results... if the target is to get your client a top ten listing on Google for a search on real estate, you could be in for a rough ride :-) How much to charge? Not sure, but if you hit your results you should be paid a lot more than you would have charged had you billed this by the hour. You've seen The Sting, right? Twist: How we gonna work this? Flat rate or percentage? Benny: Who's the mark? Twist: Doyle Lonnegan. Benny: Flat rate. Cheers Jon The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hi all, Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. I am not sure if I am going to do this yet or not, but I was wondering if anyone could point me to a website of someone else who does this so I can get an idea of what to charge. (I know that I am not allowed to ask that here.) Any info would be much appreciated. TIA, Riva Sounds to me like they're looking for someone to work for free, and what certainty would you have that they would pay...who's to judge whether the results they get will be 'good enough' for them to pay you anything? Regardless of what you actually charge in the end,which of course we can't discuss, I would ask them for a nominal payment up front even if its only a quarter of what you expect to get in the end. Franni The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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... click through rate for banner ads - for every person that clicks through from your website, they pay you x amount. you need to specify who measures this, and what the rate is They feel that if they get traffic to their site it won't matter what it looks like that is true, but they will get even better results if it looks great again, you need to say what better and results mean -- in concrete terms The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
Riva, They feel that if they get traffic to their site it won't matter what it looks like - I don't know if I agree with that. I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particular widget I want quickly, and I'll want to see whether it's in stock, how much it costs, and what the delivery time is. If one of these sites is badly designed and makes it difficult for me to actually do what I want, I'll stare at the homepage for a couple of seconds and then click Back. I suppose if their business is one of a kind or has an outstanding reputation in their particular area then it's a different story, but if they're competing in a crowded market they'd better make it as easy as they can for their customers to give them money. Cheers Jon The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy told me that they are not having a lot of people fill out their online form. Well, it took me a few minutes to find the link to it!! Thanks, Riva Jon Haworth wrote: I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particular widget I want quickly, and I'll want to see whether it's in stock, how much it costs, and what the delivery time is. If one of these sites is badly designed and makes it difficult for me to actually do what I want, I'll stare at the homepage for a couple of seconds and then click Back. I suppose if their business is one of a kind or has an outstanding reputation in their particular area then it's a different story, but if they're competing in a crowded market they'd better make it as easy as they can for their customers to give them money. Cheers Jon The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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You might ask them to have someone objectively review their site. It comes across as unprofessional to me. I found four typos while reading just two pages. Additionally, the homepage content is hard to understand. They have a link claiming valid XHMTL but if you click it, the result reveals quite explicitly that the page does not validate. Who's telling the truth, and who's not? When I used their search tool to search for the word window I got this: window.document.getElementById(’post-2′).parentNode.className += ‘ adhesive_post’; There are literally hundreds of window companies with thousands of salespeople. Maybe they aren't getting much business because their site doesn't generate much credibility. Thanks, Perry Gerenday Webmaster / Visual Communications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 -Original Message- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:29 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy told me that they are not having a lot of people fill out their online form. Well, it took me a few minutes to find the link to it!! Thanks, Riva Jon Haworth wrote: I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particular widget I want quickly, and I'll want to see whether it's in stock, how much it costs, and what the delivery time is. If one of these sites is badly designed and makes it difficult for me to actually do what I want, I'll stare at the homepage for a couple of seconds and then click Back. I suppose if their business is one of a kind or has an outstanding reputation in their particular area then it's a different story, but if they're competing in a crowded market they'd better make it as easy as they can for their customers to give them money. Cheers Jon * The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM * To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] dl.sparklist.com or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. \x95 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM \x95 To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Thank you! I agree 100%. Riva Gerenday, Perry (P.) wrote: You might ask them to have someone objectively review their site. It comes across as unprofessional to me. I found four typos while reading just two pages. Additionally, the homepage content is hard to understand. They have a link claiming valid XHMTL but if you click it, the result reveals quite explicitly that the page does not validate. Who's telling the truth, and who's not? When I used their search tool to search for the word window I got this: window.document.getElementById(’post-2′).parentNode.className += ‘ adhesive_post’; There are literally hundreds of window companies with thousands of salespeople. Maybe they aren't getting much business because their site doesn't generate much credibility. Thanks, Perry Gerenday Webmaster / Visual Communications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 \x95 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM \x95 To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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At 16:09 17/11/2005, you wrote: Is this even worth my while? Well, I suppose if you are sitting at home wondering where the next buck is coming from it might be better than getting bored stiff! Otherwise forget it is my advice - contract or no. Once you've done there'll be another somewhere else hear's about it - and so it goes on! Would they install a set of windows in your hose for free and then accept payment on results - e.g. so long as they kept the heat in? I doubt it! Any business that needs to ask someone to work for free is probably in trouble in my book - they may look busy but that doesn't mean they are making money! If they were they'd not worry about paying for what they need! Peter MacGregor Peter MacGregor -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.3/173 - Release Date: 16/11/2005 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Only you can judge that, Riva - I've spent most of my admin time this week chasing a 'missing' one-third upfront payment allegedly sent from a client in Hong Kong a week ago, so I'm probably just taking a more pessimistic view than usual... Franni Thanks Franni. I am not worried about being paid - one of the guys I know really well, but you are right - they are looking for someone to work for free. If (big IF) I did this I would make a very clear cut contract for them to sign. Is this even worth my while? Riva Franni Vincent wrote: Sounds to me like they're looking for someone to work for free, and what certainty would you have that they would pay...who's to judge whether the results they get will be 'good enough' for them to pay you anything? Regardless of what you actually charge in the end,which of course we can't discuss, I would ask them for a nominal payment up front even if its only a quarter of what you expect to get in the end. Franni The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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The guy told me that there was a company that they were looking in to that charges $3500 up front, $1000 per month and the $3500 is refundable if they don't get results in 6 months, but that is still $6000 for nothing. Thanks for the advice. Riva Peter MacGregor wrote: Well, I suppose if you are sitting at home wondering where the next buck is coming from it might be better than getting bored stiff! Otherwise forget it is my advice - contract or no. Once you've done there'll be another somewhere else hear's about it - and so it goes on! Would they install a set of windows in your hose for free and then accept payment on results - e.g. so long as they kept the heat in? I doubt it! Any business that needs to ask someone to work for free is probably in trouble in my book - they may look busy but that doesn't mean they are making money! If they were they'd not worry about paying for what they need! Peter MacGregor The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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At 09:35 AM 11/17/2005, you wrote: Someone has approached me with a proposal: I would optimize their website, submit it to search engines, etc. and they would pay me only if they got results. I am not sure if I am going to do this yet or not, but I was wondering if anyone could point me to a website of someone else who does this so I can get an idea of what to charge. (I know that I am not allowed to ask that here.) Any info would be much appreciated. TIA, Riva Unless there's something I'm not seeing or not aware of, there is absolutely no way I would work under those conditions. You do the work, you get paid - period. No reputable SEO person would guarantee results. It *can* take a very long time to get good results, sometimes years depending on so many things. You should work for free and hope that down the road you get results so that you get paid? By then - they're going Riva who? Not me. Good SEO is ongoing, continuous - not just a one time thing. » Deb « http://www.puterbug.com Professional Web Design, SEO VPS Web Hosting Services Offlist Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: unknown lmsubst tag argument: '' To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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They feel that if they get traffic to their site it won't matter what it looks like I think they're crazy to say this. For something as common as windows, a prospect will comparison shop. A bad website = lack of credibility. Their site is not good. FWIW, I would close the tab on this site as soon as I saw the get a quote page. I will not communicate through a web form unless the company has a monopoly on a product or service that I *REALLY* want. On top of that, the quote form is simply an add me to your mailing list form, since there is no data about the windows being quoted (unless it's on a secondary page). The website is also a bit hard to read due to lack of paragraphs, etc.; again, I'd simply go somewhere else. Good Luck /steven The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Thanks Steven. I remember getting into an e-discussion about websites on a soaping e-mail group. One person claimed that it didn't matter if there were spelling mistakes or typos on her site, it was the product that people came for. I countered that typos and spelling mistakes make a statement about the effort that person puts into things - if they don't care that the website has errors, will they care if the soap is substandard? :-) Riva Steven Olson wrote: I think they're crazy to say this. For something as common as windows, a prospect will comparison shop. A bad website = lack of credibility. Their site is not good. FWIW, I would close the tab on this site as soon as I saw the get a quote page. I will not communicate through a web form unless the company has a monopoly on a product or service that I *REALLY* want. On top of that, the quote form is simply an add me to your mailing list form, since there is no data about the windows being quoted (unless it's on a secondary page). The website is also a bit hard to read due to lack of paragraphs, etc.; again, I'd simply go somewhere else. Good Luck /steven The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
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Hey Perry, Why do need to install a Japanese language pack to read your mail?Is there something we should be told? ;-) Joseph Joseph Harris toilet humor about the toilet http://www.Looperman-is-ready.com http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com (family friendly humour) From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) You might ask them to have someone objectively review their site. It comes across as unprofessional to me. I found four typos while reading just two pages. Additionally, the homepage content is hard to understand. They have a link claiming valid XHMTL but if you click it, the result reveals quite explicitly that the page does not validate. Who's telling the truth, and who's not? When I used their search tool to search for the word window I got this: window.document.getElementById(’post-2′).parentNode.className += ‘ adhesive_post’; There are literally hundreds of window companies with thousands of salespeople. Maybe they aren't getting much business because their site doesn't generate much credibility. Thanks, Perry Gerenday Webmaster / Visual Communications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 -Original Message- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:29 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy told me that they are not having a lot of people fill out their online form. Well, it took me a few minutes to find the link to it!! Thanks, Riva Jon Haworth wrote: I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particular widget I want quickly, and I'll want to see whether it's in stock, how much it costs, and what the delivery time is. If one of these sites is badly designed and makes it difficult for me to actually do what I want, I'll stare at the homepage for a couple of seconds and then click Back. I suppose if their business is one of a kind or has an outstanding reputation in their particular area then it's a different story, but if they're competing in a crowded market they'd better make it as easy as they can for their customers to give them money. Cheers Jon \x95 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM \x95 To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
RE: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda
Honestly, I don't know what's going on. I was in the middle of typing that email when suddenly the font changed. This is in plain-text format so I'm rather baffled. I'm gonna run the Stinger and see if it turns up anything. Thanks, Perry Gerenday Webmaster / Visual Communications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 -Original Message- From: Joseph Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 1:06 PM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda Hey Perry, Why do need to install a Japanese language pack to read your mail?Is there something we should be told? ;-) Joseph Joseph Harris toilet humor about the toilet http://www.Looperman-is-ready.com http://www.smilepoetryweekly.com (family friendly humour) From: Gerenday, Perry (P.) You might ask them to have someone objectively review their site. It comes across as unprofessional to me. I found four typos while reading just two pages. Additionally, the homepage content is hard to understand. They have a link claiming valid XHMTL but if you click it, the result reveals quite explicitly that the page does not validate. Who's telling the truth, and who's not? When I used their search tool to search for the word window I got this: window.document.getElementById(’post-2′).parentNode.className += ‘ adhesive_post’; There are literally hundreds of window companies with thousands of salespeople. Maybe they aren't getting much business because their site doesn't generate much credibility. Thanks, Perry Gerenday Webmaster / Visual Communications Visteon, Nashville Glass Plant 615.350.7656 -Original Message- From: Portman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:29 AM To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com Subject: Re: [wdvltalk] Website optimization question - kinda I agree Jon. They sell replacement windows. The website (for those who are interested) is www.zenwindows.com. The guy told me that they are not having a lot of people fill out their online form. Well, it took me a few minutes to find the link to it!! Thanks, Riva Jon Haworth wrote: I think your client is wrong. If I'm looking to buy a widget, I'll visit a bunch of widget-selling sites. At each one I'll expect to be able to find the particular widget I want quickly, and I'll want to see whether it's in stock, how much it costs, and what the delivery time is. If one of these sites is badly designed and makes it difficult for me to actually do what I want, I'll stare at the homepage for a couple of seconds and then click Back. I suppose if their business is one of a kind or has an outstanding reputation in their particular area then it's a different story, but if they're competing in a crowded market they'd better make it as easy as they can for their customers to give them money. Cheers Jon ？The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM ？ To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with. \x95 The WDVL Discussion List from WDVL.COM \x95 To Join wdvltalk, Send An Email To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or use the web interface http://e-newsletters.internet.com/discussionlists.html/ Send Your Posts To: wdvltalk@lists.wdvl.com To change subscription settings, add a password or view the web interface: http://intm-dl.sparklist.com/read/?forum=wdvltalk http://www.wdvl.com ___ You are currently subscribed to wdvltalk as: archive@jab.org To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe via postal mail, please contact us at: Jupitermedia Corp. Attn: Discussion List Management 475 Park Avenue South New York, NY 10016 Please include the email address which you have been contacted with.
