Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Tom DeReggi]

I'd argue that the Yagis would not have a narrow enough verticle beamwidth, 
and Downtilt would be hard to get right, and/or to much energy wasted 
getting directed in the wrong verticle directions, thus being less efficent 
than a panel. But I guess it would depend on the needs of where deploying.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 8:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. 
Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


It's canopy - 8mhz channels.  He is using ONE radio for all three antennas.

Works like an omni and does a good job.

On 5/3/10, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> What gain of YAGI are you using? You didn't say how well it was working or
> not either.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz
> H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
> I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is
> doing it.  It was suggested to me a few months ago.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage
> with
>> 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you?
>>
>> Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload
>> on
>> the tower is too much and looking for alternatives.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM
>> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol
>> SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>>
>> SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique
>> patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would
>> love
>>
>> to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer...
> 1)
>> They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar 
>> gain.
>> For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector
>> antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and
>> still have them perform well.  These are great for repeaters, where there
>> is
>>
>> a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the
> ground
>> where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable.
>>
>> Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else
>> in
>>
>> this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an
>> antenna that matches their specific need.  SuperPass is NOT a MTI 
>> antenna,
>> they really serve two different market segments.
>>
>> MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass
>> antenna.  Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most
>> cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of
>> the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the
> MTI
>> makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the
>> perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness.
>>
>> In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like
>> them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop 
>> on
>> beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats 
>> easy
>> to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find
>> Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other
>> good sources.   The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. 
>> I
>> dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, 
>> also
>> comes size.  This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg.
>> (Thats
>>
>> not exact db spec)
>>
>> There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use
>> the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people 
>> using
>> Canopy  are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector.
>>
>> When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to
>> colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees.
>> With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity
>> colocate

Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Tom DeReggi]

I'd advise against Yagi's as APs if you live anywhere there is even minor 
ICE buildup.
The last thing you want is your network going down every time there is 
freezing rain, when the antennas are up a tower.

Also more likely the Crows will use your Yagi as their hangout sitting spot.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz 
H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.


I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is
doing it.  It was suggested to me a few months ago.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage 
> with
> 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you?
>
> Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload
> on
> the tower is too much and looking for alternatives.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol
> SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
> SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique
> patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would
> love
>
> to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer... 
> 1)
> They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain.
> For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector
> antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and
> still have them perform well.  These are great for repeaters, where there
> is
>
> a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the 
> ground
> where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable.
>
> Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else
> in
>
> this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an
> antenna that matches their specific need.  SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna,
> they really serve two different market segments.
>
> MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass
> antenna.  Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most
> cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of
> the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the 
> MTI
> makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the
> perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness.
>
> In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like
> them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on
> beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy
> to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find
> Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other
> good sources.   The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I
> dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also
> comes size.  This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg.
> (Thats
>
> not exact db spec)
>
> There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use
> the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using
> Canopy  are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector.
>
> When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to
> colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees.
> With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity
> colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels),
> fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal
> seperation, maybe 3ft)  if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation 
> between
> each antenna.
>
> Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the
> other
>
> native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made
> that
>
> possible.  But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying
> signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we
> recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: 

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Jon Auer]

I've used Canopy 900Mhz while mobile before.
It hopped between towers quickly enough that I'd only loose a few pings

From what I've heard of Butch's Mikrotik setup, it sounds really
nifty. IIRC he used two wifi cards. One would be the data connection
and the other would look for a better connection and they would switch
roles as the vehicle travled.
Totally blew my mind that you could script up Mikrotik to do that.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:39 PM, RickG  wrote:
> Used Alvarion 900MHz for a year up in the land of the trees, southern
> Michigan - hated it! After I left that venture, they switched it all
> out for Trango 900 for another year or so. I think they switched to
> Canopy 900 after that. Not sure of those results.
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>> Alvarion 900mhz for NLOS. Only thing that works worth a darn if your going
>> through trees plus the AP's support handoff's between towers.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:06 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>> So, in the patrol cars what is recommended? (700Mhz? / 900Mhz?)
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> http://www.csweb.net
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Ralph
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 PM
>> To: 'WISPA General List'
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>> 4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8.
>> There is no NLOS.  I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras.
>> The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to
>> work.
>> And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your
>> bandwidth.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>> How does 4.9 perform in nLOS?  Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti
>> SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
>> http://www.csweb.net
>> (918) 235-0414
>>
>>
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>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>> They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for
>> when they get new laptops.
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West
>>  wrote:
>>> Yep, that's what I tried to do.  If the laptop is to be stationary in the
>>> vehicle it wouldn't be an issue.  But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd
>>> probably need the express card instead.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of RickG
>>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>>
>>> Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use
>>> a different external connector with a different antenna?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West
>>>  wrote:
 I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with
>> the
 antenna and cable hanging off the thing.  It really IS a messy setup.
 Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess
 totally goes away.  If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an
>> SMA
 connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card.  Depending
>>> on
 AP placememt, i

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[RickG]

Used Alvarion 900MHz for a year up in the land of the trees, southern
Michigan - hated it! After I left that venture, they switched it all
out for Trango 900 for another year or so. I think they switched to
Canopy 900 after that. Not sure of those results.

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> Alvarion 900mhz for NLOS. Only thing that works worth a darn if your going
> through trees plus the AP's support handoff's between towers.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> So, in the patrol cars what is recommended? (700Mhz? / 900Mhz?)
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
>
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Ralph
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> 4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8.
> There is no NLOS.  I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras.
> The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to
> work.
> And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your
> bandwidth.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> How does 4.9 perform in nLOS?  Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti
> SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO
>
> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> Computer Network Solutions
> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> IT Manager
> http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> http://www.csweb.net
> (918) 235-0414
>
>
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>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for
> when they get new laptops.
>
> On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West
>  wrote:
>> Yep, that's what I tried to do.  If the laptop is to be stationary in the
>> vehicle it wouldn't be an issue.  But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd
>> probably need the express card instead.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of RickG
>> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>> Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use
>> a different external connector with a different antenna?
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West
>>  wrote:
>>> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with
> the
>>> antenna and cable hanging off the thing.  It really IS a messy setup.
>>> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess
>>> totally goes away.  If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an
> SMA
>>> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card.  Depending
>> on
>>> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine.  I'm actually typing this on a
>>> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with
> the
>>> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house.
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "RickG" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>>> AP's

Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[KosiNet Wireless]

We swapped everything..

We can log into all of the radios consistently, they're all on our 
10.0.100.X subnet. No IP conflicts - we moved them around to be sure.

The ARP table on the CPE radio only lists the local router, and the router 
on the other end of the bridge.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Stuart Pierce" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 7:19 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


> You've swapped ethernet cables as well ? Which radio can you get into 
> consistently ? Is there an ip address conflict ?
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Kosinet Wireless" 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date:  Mon, 3 May 2010 16:49:44 -0400
>
>>Hey all,
>>
>>I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good
>>answers right now.
>>
>>We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
>>including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
>>management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public 
>>IP
>>address space is 98.100.x.x)
>>
>>We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed 
>>them
>>into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
>>we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
>>while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
>>testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
>>logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
>>off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant 
>>is
>>the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work
>>flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's 
>>the
>>question.
>>
>>Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
>>10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>>
>>-Gary-
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[KosiNet Wireless]

Yes, we do all of our clients that way - Bridged Radios to Client Routers.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Dueck" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


> Ah, I see you have a separate router - you're not routing at the CPE..
> then this is not your problem.
>
> On 05/03/2010 03:38 PM, Mark Dueck wrote:
>> Which CPE do you have?  the SL2?  You need to be on firmware 5.0.4.  If
>> you are not, you will get this same issue, at least if your hardware
>> revision is v2.  In v3 they upgraded the memory on the units.  The
>> memory is too low and cannot accommodate the routing table - or
>> something like that.
>>
>>
>> On 05/03/2010 03:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:
>>
>>> Well, kinda'
>>>
>>> It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
>>>
>>> Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
>>> Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
>>>
>>> -Gary-
>>>
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "Ryan Spott" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.

 Let me guess, the path looks like this:

 You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.

 yeah.. Very well explained here:
 <
 http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=


>
>
 I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
 issue,
 not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
 "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)

 ryan


 On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
 wrote:



> Hey all,
>
> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> good
> answers right now.
>
> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x 
> for
> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our 
> Public
> IP
> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>
> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - 
> Addressed
> them
> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, 
> but
> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a 
> short
> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) 
> While
> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or 
> stay
> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP 
> drops
> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only 
> constant
> is
> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> work
> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, 
> here's
> the
> question.
>
> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Stuart Pierce]

You've swapped ethernet cables as well ? Which radio can you get into 
consistently ? Is there an ip address conflict ?

-- Original Message --
From: "Kosinet Wireless" 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date:  Mon, 3 May 2010 16:49:44 -0400

>Hey all,
>
>I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good 
>answers right now.
>
>We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged, 
>including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for 
>management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public IP 
>address space is 98.100.x.x)
>
>We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed them 
>into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but 
>we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short 
>while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While 
>testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay 
>logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops 
>off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant is 
>the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work 
>flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's the 
>question.
>
>Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the 
>10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>
>-Gary-
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Mark Dueck]

Ah, I see you have a separate router - you're not routing at the CPE.. 
then this is not your problem.

On 05/03/2010 03:38 PM, Mark Dueck wrote:
> Which CPE do you have?  the SL2?  You need to be on firmware 5.0.4.  If
> you are not, you will get this same issue, at least if your hardware
> revision is v2.  In v3 they upgraded the memory on the units.  The
> memory is too low and cannot accommodate the routing table - or
> something like that.
>
>
> On 05/03/2010 03:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:
>   
>> Well, kinda'
>>
>> It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
>>
>> Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @ 
>> Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Ryan Spott" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>>
>>
>>   
>> 
>>> This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
>>>
>>> Let me guess, the path looks like this:
>>>
>>> You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
>>>
>>> yeah.. Very well explained here:
>>> <
>>> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
>>> 
>>>   
   
 
>>> I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN 
>>> issue,
>>> not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
>>> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
>>>
>>> ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>   
 Hey all,

 I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of 
 good
 answers right now.

 We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
 including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
 management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public 
 IP
 address space is 98.100.x.x)

 We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
 them
 into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
 we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
 while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
 testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
 logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
 off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
 is
 the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from 
 work
 flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's 
 the
 question.

 Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?

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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Josh Luthman]

I think you mean bridge table - it's a bridge not a router.

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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Mark Dueck  wrote:

> Which CPE do you have?  the SL2?  You need to be on firmware 5.0.4.  If
> you are not, you will get this same issue, at least if your hardware
> revision is v2.  In v3 they upgraded the memory on the units.  The
> memory is too low and cannot accommodate the routing table - or
> something like that.
>
>
> On 05/03/2010 03:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:
> > Well, kinda'
> >
> > It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
> >
> > Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> > Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ryan Spott" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
> >
> >
> >
> >> This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> >>
> >> Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> >>
> >> You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> >>
> >> yeah.. Very well explained here:
> >> <
> >>
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> >>
> >>>
> >> I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> >> issue,
> >> not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> >>
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> >>
> >> ryan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey all,
> >>>
> >>> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> >>> good
> >>> answers right now.
> >>>
> >>> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> >>> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> for
> >>> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our
> Public
> >>> IP
> >>> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >>>
> >>> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> >>> them
> >>> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> >>> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a
> short
> >>> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> >>> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> >>> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> drops
> >>> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> constant
> >>> is
> >>> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> >>> work
> >>> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> >>> the
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> >>> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >>>
> >>> -Gary-
> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Ryan Spott]

What? Huh?

ryan

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Mark Dueck  wrote:

> Which CPE do you have?  the SL2?  You need to be on firmware 5.0.4.  If
> you are not, you will get this same issue, at least if your hardware
> revision is v2.  In v3 they upgraded the memory on the units.  The
> memory is too low and cannot accommodate the routing table - or
> something like that.
>
>
> On 05/03/2010 03:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:
> > Well, kinda'
> >
> > It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
> >
> > Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> > Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ryan Spott" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
> >
> >
> >
> >> This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> >>
> >> Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> >>
> >> You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> >>
> >> yeah.. Very well explained here:
> >> <
> >>
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> >>
> >>>
> >> I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> >> issue,
> >> not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> >>
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> >>
> >> ryan
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey all,
> >>>
> >>> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> >>> good
> >>> answers right now.
> >>>
> >>> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> >>> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> for
> >>> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our
> Public
> >>> IP
> >>> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >>>
> >>> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> >>> them
> >>> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> >>> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a
> short
> >>> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> >>> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> >>> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> drops
> >>> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> constant
> >>> is
> >>> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> >>> work
> >>> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> >>> the
> >>> question.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> >>> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >>>
> >>> -Gary-
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Mark Dueck]

Which CPE do you have?  the SL2?  You need to be on firmware 5.0.4.  If
you are not, you will get this same issue, at least if your hardware
revision is v2.  In v3 they upgraded the memory on the units.  The
memory is too low and cannot accommodate the routing table - or
something like that.


On 05/03/2010 03:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:
> Well, kinda'
>
> It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
>
> Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @ 
> Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
>   
>> This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
>>
>> Let me guess, the path looks like this:
>>
>> You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
>>
>> yeah.. Very well explained here:
>> <
>> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
>> 
>>>   
>> I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN 
>> issue,
>> not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
>> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
>>
>> ryan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of 
>>> good
>>> answers right now.
>>>
>>> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
>>> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
>>> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public 
>>> IP
>>> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>>>
>>> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
>>> them
>>> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
>>> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
>>> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
>>> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
>>> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
>>> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
>>> is
>>> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from 
>>> work
>>> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's 
>>> the
>>> question.
>>>
>>> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
>>> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>>>
>>> -Gary-
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Ryan Spott]

What does the arp table on the Tranzeo AP and CPE look like? Can you copy
them to the list?

And how are you bridging the UBNTs?

ryan

On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Sometimes rebooting the CPE helps - Sometimes the router... It just
> seems to come and go at random.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> What do you do to solve the problem?  Reboot the AP or CPE?  Customer
> router?
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> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> wrote:
>
> > Well, kinda'
> >
> > It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
> >
> > Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> > Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ryan Spott" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
> >
> >
> > > This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> > >
> > > Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> > >
> > > You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> > >
> > > yeah.. Very well explained here:
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> > >>
> > >
> > > I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> > > issue,
> > > not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> > >
> >
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> > >
> > > ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey all,
> > >>
> > >> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> > >> good
> > >> answers right now.
> > >>
> > >> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > >> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> > for
> > >> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our
> > >> Public
> > >> IP
> > >> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> > >>
> > >> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP -
> Addressed
> > >> them
> > >> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great,
> but
> > >> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a
> > >> short
> > >> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..)
> While
> > >> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or
> stay
> > >> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> > drops
> > >> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> > constant
> > >> is
> > >> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> > >> work
> > >> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario,
> here's
> > >> the
> > >> question.
> > >>
> > >> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > >> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> > >>
> > >> -Gary-
> > >>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Josh Luthman]

If Tranzeo can do NAT, do that.  If it can not, would you be able to put a
Nanostation2 in NAT mode in place of it?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Sometimes rebooting the CPE helps - Sometimes the router... It just
> seems to come and go at random.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> What do you do to solve the problem?  Reboot the AP or CPE?  Customer
> router?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> wrote:
>
> > Well, kinda'
> >
> > It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
> >
> > Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> > Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ryan Spott" 
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
> >
> >
> > > This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> > >
> > > Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> > >
> > > You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> > >
> > > yeah.. Very well explained here:
> > > <
> > >
> >
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> > >>
> > >
> > > I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> > > issue,
> > > not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> > >
> >
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> > >
> > > ryan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hey all,
> > >>
> > >> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> > >> good
> > >> answers right now.
> > >>
> > >> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > >> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> > for
> > >> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our
> > >> Public
> > >> IP
> > >> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> > >>
> > >> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP -
> Addressed
> > >> them
> > >> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great,
> but
> > >> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a
> > >> short
> > >> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..)
> While
> > >> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or
> stay
> > >> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> > drops
> > >> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> > constant
> > >> is
> > >> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> > >> work
> > >> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario,
> here's
> > >> the
> > >> question.
> > >>
> > >> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > >> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> > >>
> > >> -Gary-
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Kosinet Wireless]

Sometimes rebooting the CPE helps - Sometimes the router... It just 
seems to come and go at random.


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


What do you do to solve the problem?  Reboot the AP or CPE?  Customer
router?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
wrote:

> Well, kinda'
>
> It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
>
> Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> > This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> >
> > Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> >
> > You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> >
> > yeah.. Very well explained here:
> > <
> >
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> >>
> >
> > I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> > issue,
> > not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> >
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> >
> > ryan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> >> good
> >> answers right now.
> >>
> >> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> >> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> for
> >> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our 
> >> Public
> >> IP
> >> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >>
> >> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> >> them
> >> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> >> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a 
> >> short
> >> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> >> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> >> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> drops
> >> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> constant
> >> is
> >> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> >> work
> >> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> >> the
> >> question.
> >>
> >> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> >> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >>
> >> -Gary-
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Kosinet Wireless]

CPE is in Bridge mode - Yes it's at the Clients location (to a Router)

We seem to be able to always connect to the AP / CPE on the 10.0.100.x 
Subnet - Even while dropping pings / connectivity @ the Clients location.

-Gary-


- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


Is the CPE nat'ed or bridged?  Is this a customer's location?

When the problem exists does anything pass through the link?  Can the rest
of the network reach the AP? CPE?

Josh Luthman
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Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
wrote:

> It's a PTMP setup - And yes, the problem is only on the far side. (CPE
> location)
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> Is this a Tranzeo ptmp or ptp link?
>
> Keep in mind Tranzeo is 802.11 and carries the MAC address problem with
> devices behind the station.
>
> Are the issues isolated to the far side of the Tranzeo and nothing else?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> good
> > answers right now.
> >
> > We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x 
> > for
> > management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public
> > IP
> > address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >
> > We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> > them
> > into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> > we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> > while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> > testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> > logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP 
> > drops
> > off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only 
> > constant
> > is
> > the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> work
> > flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> > the
> > question.
> >
> > Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Josh Luthman]

What do you do to solve the problem?  Reboot the AP or CPE?  Customer
router?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Well, kinda'
>
> It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE
>
> Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @
> Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.
>
> -Gary-
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ryan Spott" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> > This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
> >
> > Let me guess, the path looks like this:
> >
> > You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
> >
> > yeah.. Very well explained here:
> > <
> >
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
> >>
> >
> > I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN
> > issue,
> > not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> >
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
> >
> > ryan
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey all,
> >>
> >> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> >> good
> >> answers right now.
> >>
> >> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> >> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x
> for
> >> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public
> >> IP
> >> address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >>
> >> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> >> them
> >> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> >> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> >> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> >> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> >> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP
> drops
> >> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only
> constant
> >> is
> >> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> >> work
> >> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> >> the
> >> question.
> >>
> >> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> >> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >>
> >> -Gary-
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Kosinet Wireless]

Well, kinda'

It's ME -> UBNT 5.8 Bridge -> Switch -> Tranzeo AP ->Tranzeo CPE

Client @ POP connected to switch with Router Works perfectly - Clent @ 
Tranzeo CPE with Router has problems.

-Gary-

- Original Message - 
From: "Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


> This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.
>
> Let me guess, the path looks like this:
>
> You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.
>
> yeah.. Very well explained here:
> <
> http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
>>
>
> I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN 
> issue,
> not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
> "G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)
>
> ryan
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of 
>> good
>> answers right now.
>>
>> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
>> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
>> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public 
>> IP
>> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>>
>> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
>> them
>> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
>> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
>> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
>> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
>> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
>> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
>> is
>> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from 
>> work
>> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's 
>> the
>> question.
>>
>> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
>> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>>
>> -Gary-
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Josh Luthman]

Is the CPE nat'ed or bridged?  Is this a customer's location?

When the problem exists does anything pass through the link?  Can the rest
of the network reach the AP? CPE?

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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> It's a PTMP setup - And yes, the problem is only on the far side. (CPE
> location)
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.
>
>
> Is this a Tranzeo ptmp or ptp link?
>
> Keep in mind Tranzeo is 802.11 and carries the MAC address problem with
> devices behind the station.
>
> Are the issues isolated to the far side of the Tranzeo and nothing else?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless
> wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of
> good
> > answers right now.
> >
> > We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> > including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> > management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public
> > IP
> > address space is 98.100.x.x)
> >
> > We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> > them
> > into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> > we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> > while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> > testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> > logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> > off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> > is
> > the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from
> work
> > flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's
> > the
> > question.
> >
> > Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> > 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
> >
> > -Gary-
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Ryan Spott]

This smells of a layer 2.5 issue.

Let me guess, the path looks like this:

You -> AP -> CPE "acting like uplink" -> AP -> client.

yeah.. Very well explained here:
<
http://support.tranzeo.com/knowledgebase/users/kb.php?id=10038&category_id=0&sid2=
>

I am looking through the 802.11-2007 spec from IEEE as this is a WLAN issue,
not a Tranzeo Issue. (my wife calls it the
"G**-D*-ryan-these-customers-are-calling-because-you-used-the-poor-mans-repeater-again-go-put-a-freakin'-router-out-there-quit-being-so-cheap!)

ryan


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good
> answers right now.
>
> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public IP
> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>
> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> them
> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> is
> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work
> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's the
> question.
>
> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>
> -Gary-
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Kosinet Wireless]

It's a PTMP setup - And yes, the problem is only on the far side. (CPE 
location)
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.


Is this a Tranzeo ptmp or ptp link?

Keep in mind Tranzeo is 802.11 and carries the MAC address problem with
devices behind the station.

Are the issues isolated to the far side of the Tranzeo and nothing else?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless 
wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good
> answers right now.
>
> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public 
> IP
> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>
> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> them
> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> is
> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work
> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's 
> the
> question.
>
> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>
> -Gary-
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Josh Luthman]

Is this a Tranzeo ptmp or ptp link?

Keep in mind Tranzeo is 802.11 and carries the MAC address problem with
devices behind the station.

Are the issues isolated to the far side of the Tranzeo and nothing else?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Kosinet Wireless wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good
> answers right now.
>
> We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged,
> including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for
> management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public IP
> address space is 98.100.x.x)
>
> We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed
> them
> into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but
> we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short
> while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While
> testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay
> logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops
> off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant
> is
> the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work
> flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's the
> question.
>
> Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the
> 10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?
>
> -Gary-
>
>
>
>
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[WISPA] Tranzeo - Again.....

[Kosinet Wireless]

Hey all,

I've got what appears to me to be a dumb question, but I'm all out of good 
answers right now.

We've got mostly all Alvarion stuff on our WISP Network - All bridged, 
including the backhauls. The entire network is addressed @ 10.0.100.x for 
management / monitoring purposes, and has been running fine. (Our Public IP 
address space is 98.100.x.x)

We recently added a Tranzeo AP, and (1) client at a new POP - Addressed them 
into our 10.0.100.x Network and set the client up. Signal is great, but 
we've had nothing but problems at this location. It will run for a short 
while, then drop off, then come back, etc. (And on, and on..) While 
testing we discovered we can ping the 10.0.100.x address, and / or stay 
logged onto the radio consistently, but the Router on the Public IP drops 
off. We've swapped Radios / Routers / Switches / Etc. - The only constant is 
the Tranzeo link. (The Client at the POP that we're broadcasting from work 
flawlessly - It's a Ubiquity Bridge Link.) There's the scenario, here's the 
question.

Is there a problem with me addressing the Tranzeo Radios in the 
10.0.100.x? Arp Table problems?

-Gary-




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[WISPA] Equipment

[Jason Hensley]

Is there a WISPA list for WTB equipment?




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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FM choke

[Josh Luthman]

Just ordered 18 (min order of $35) of them from:

www.elnamagnetics.com
Saugerties , NY , 12477
Phone: (800) 553-2870

I called, ordered 18 @ 1.98/ea and they shipped them.  Gave me net 30 and
all I did was give them name/address/etc.  Cut off time is noon-1PM and
usually ships the same day (of course you have a tiny 4 hour window...).

Cheapest price that I found.

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On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Steven G McGehee  wrote:

> No prob Rick -- yeah it could be that, it's Mohawk outdoor ethernet
> (don't know the specific model # off hand). Could also be since they
> only had two left in stock when I ordered that by the time my order was
> processed they slipped me another, smaller sized model  :-)
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> RickG wrote:
> > Sorry to hear that. My cable is 24 gauge, cat5e outdoor grade and the
> > beads do fit. Maybe your cable has a thicker jacket?
> >
> > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Steven G McGehee 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Rick,
> >>
> >> I bought a couple of those beads that you linked to a few weeks ago when
> >> this was a hot topic -- but my outdoor (24 gauge) cable is too large to
> >> fit in them (i.e., the enclosure doesn't snap closed). Do you use an
> >> outdoor cable of smaller diameter than 24 gauge, or do you tape the
> >> ferrite bead enclosure closed or something?
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> RickG wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yes, I put them on the power side of the Ethernet cable running up to
> >>> the radios.
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 8:29 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  I was thinking 1 would be needed per line, but only based on where
> I've seen
>  ferrite in the past.
> 
>  You are saying you do it on the power side of the poe, right?
> 
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340
>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue
>  that counts.”
>  --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
>  On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 7:56 PM, RickG  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > I put them on the end at the ground before the POE. Not sure if two
> > would make any difference.
> >
> > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Josh Luthman
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> For these ferrite chokes do you put one on the cable anywhere?  At
> one
> >>
> >>
> > end?
> >
> >
> >> Two (one at each end)?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> >>
> >>
> > continue
> >
> >
> >> that counts.”
> >> --- Winston Churchill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:44 PM, RickG 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> I use them on Skywalker direct burial ethernet cable.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
>  Can anyone confirm if these size ferrite pieces will work on
> direct
>  buriel cat5 cable (like Mohawk or Superior Essex)?
> 
>  Josh Luthman
>  Office: 937-552-2340
>  Direct: 937-552-2343
>  1100 Wayne St
>  Suite 1337
>  Troy, OH 45373
> 
>  “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
>  continue that counts.”
>  --- Winston Churchill
> 
> 
> 
>  On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, RickG 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > A little less $ here:
> http://www.ambientweather.com/am273105.html
> > -RickG
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Josh Luthman
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >> >From Mouser
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fair-Rite/0431164181/?qs=KmHvPbTOE4SbzMQqE%2fOkzw%3d%3d
> >
> >
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage
> to
> >>
> >>
> >>> continue
> >>>
> >>>
> >> that counts.”
> >> --- Winston Churchill
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <
> >>
> >>
> >>> o...@odessaoffice.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> fyi
> >>> marlon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Alvarion 900mhz for NLOS. Only thing that works worth a darn if your going
through trees plus the AP's support handoff's between towers.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 
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Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

So, in the patrol cars what is recommended? (700Mhz? / 900Mhz?)

Patrick Nix, Jr.,
Computer Network Solutions
CSWEB.NET Internet Services
IT Manager
http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
http://www.csweb.net
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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8. 
There is no NLOS.  I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras.
The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to
work.
And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your
bandwidth.

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Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

How does 4.9 perform in nLOS?  Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti
SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO

Patrick Nix, Jr.,
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for
when they get new laptops.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> Yep, that's what I tried to do.  If the laptop is to be stationary in the
> vehicle it wouldn't be an issue.  But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd
> probably need the express card instead.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use
> a different external connector with a different antenna?
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West
>  wrote:
>> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with
the
>> antenna and cable hanging off the thing.  It really IS a messy setup.
>> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess
>> totally goes away.  If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an
SMA
>> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card.  Depending
> on
>> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine.  I'm actually typing this on a
>> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with
the
>> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>>
>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
>> feather for poor relaibility!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it
>>>
>>> And here is why..
>>>
>>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card.
>>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old
>>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>>
>>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I di

Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

[Patrick D. Nix, Jr]

So, in the patrol cars what is recommended? (700Mhz? / 900Mhz?)

Patrick Nix, Jr.,
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ralph
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:30 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

4.9 performs just like 5.2 and 5.8. 
There is no NLOS.  I have deployed a lot of it for PD surveillance cameras.
The noise floor is low, but I still have links that just will refuse to
work.
And there are only 2 non overlapping channels unless you squeeze your
bandwidth.

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 5:42 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

How does 4.9 perform in nLOS?  Specifically looking at either the Ubiquiti
SR4 or Dbii f50-PRO

Patrick Nix, Jr.,
Computer Network Solutions
CSWEB.NET Internet Services
IT Manager
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http://www.csweb.net
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)

They've got old laptops. But, I'd like to have an upgrade path for
when they get new laptops.

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Robert West
 wrote:
> Yep, that's what I tried to do.  If the laptop is to be stationary in the
> vehicle it wouldn't be an issue.  But again, the thing is PCMCIA, you'd
> probably need the express card instead.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 9:44 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>
> Since the Ubiquiti card has an external connector, couldnt I just use
> a different external connector with a different antenna?
>
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:17 PM, Robert West
>  wrote:
>> I think if they use the Ubiquiti cards, you're asking for trouble with
the
>> antenna and cable hanging off the thing.  It really IS a messy setup.
>> Installing the Mikrotik R52Hn mini-pci card inside the laptop, the mess
>> totally goes away.  If a large antenna is needed, as I did, install an
SMA
>> connector to the laptop case with a pigtail going to the card.  Depending
> on
>> AP placememt, it should talk to them fine.  I'm actually typing this on a
>> laptop with that config and the thing can go almost 2 blocks just with
the
>> internal antenna to a cheap linksys router in the house.
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "RickG" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 10:09 PM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mobile broadband for Law Enforcement (Small town)
>>
>>
>> I've got a town that currently uses Sprint cards but they suck due to
>> poor coverage. They have water tanks and other resource for me to put
>> AP's on but I want to use something robust enough that they dont tar &
>> feather for poor relaibility!
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Robert West 
>> wrote:
>>> Yep! Had one for over a year or so. Love it, never use it
>>>
>>> And here is why..
>>>
>>> It's the older PCMCIA slot config. The new laptops are the express card.
>>> My everyday laptop is newer, no PCMCIA slot. Have to break out the old
>>> Toshiba to use the thing
>>>
>>> The antenna clips to the screen. Gets in the way. I did, however, use to
>>> use a magnetic mount on the roof and run a cable into the truck to a
MMCX
>>> connector to snap into the card. worked darned well. lots of wires
> though.
>>>
>>> What I ended up doing was put a Mikrotik R52H card in the laptops to an
>>> SMA
>>> conector I installed in the laptop.
>>>
>>> Works much, much better and I can use either the SMA if I want to put a
>>> big
>>> antenna on it or it will use the internal laptop antenna. The bonus is
>>> that
>>> 

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector Choices. Not healthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Josh Luthman]

It's canopy - 8mhz channels.  He is using ONE radio for all three antennas.

Works like an omni and does a good job.

On 5/3/10, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
> What gain of YAGI are you using? You didn't say how well it was working or
> not either.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz
> H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
> I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is
> doing it.  It was suggested to me a few months ago.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts."
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage
> with
>> 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you?
>>
>> Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload
>> on
>> the tower is too much and looking for alternatives.
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> WAVELINC
>> P.O. Box 126
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> 419-562-6405
>> www.wavelinc.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
>> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM
>> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol
>> SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>>
>> SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique
>> patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would
>> love
>>
>> to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer...
> 1)
>> They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain.
>> For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector
>> antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and
>> still have them perform well.  These are great for repeaters, where there
>> is
>>
>> a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the
> ground
>> where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable.
>>
>> Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else
>> in
>>
>> this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an
>> antenna that matches their specific need.  SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna,
>> they really serve two different market segments.
>>
>> MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass
>> antenna.  Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most
>> cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of
>> the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the
> MTI
>> makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the
>> perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness.
>>
>> In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like
>> them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on
>> beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy
>> to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find
>> Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other
>> good sources.   The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I
>> dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also
>> comes size.  This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg.
>> (Thats
>>
>> not exact db spec)
>>
>> There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use
>> the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using
>> Canopy  are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector.
>>
>> When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to
>> colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees.
>> With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity
>> colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels),
>> fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal
>> seperation, maybe 3ft)  if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation
> between
>> each antenna.
>>
>> Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the
>> other
>>
>> native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made
>> that
>>
>> possible.  But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying
>> signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we
>> recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also.
>>
>

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Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.........

[Kurt Fankhauser]

What gain of YAGI are you using? You didn't say how well it was working or
not either.

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com
 
 

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2010 8:33 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz
H-PolSectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.

I know for a fact at least one person on the other list you and I share is
doing it.  It was suggested to me a few months ago.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

"Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
that counts."
--- Winston Churchill


On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 6:52 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> Is anyone here currently using 3 YAGI's to achieve 360 degree coverage
with
> 3 Canopy 900 radio's? How is this working for you?
>
> Reason I am asking is because the 3 sectors are so huge that the windload
> on
> the tower is too much and looking for alternatives.
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> WAVELINC
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> 419-562-6405
> www.wavelinc.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:53 PM
> To: sarn...@info-ed.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol
> SectorChoices.Nothealthcare, taxes or government related.
>
> SuperPass is an excellent antenna brand. The founder has several unique
> patents in antenna technologies, that other antenna manufacturers would
> love
>
> to get their hands on. There are several uique end results they offer...
1)
> They tend to make it possible to make "shorter" antennas for similar gain.
> For example with 5.x sectors, the make some of the most compact sector
> antennas on the market. 2) They can make them very cost effectively, and
> still have them perform well.  These are great for repeaters, where there
> is
>
> a low budget, and cosmetics and size is a concern, and closer to the
ground
> where less durable mounts are perfectly acceptable.
>
> Now everybody cant be everthing to everybody. Just like anything else
> in
>
> this industry, and Provider needs to define what they need and pick an
> antenna that matches their specific need.  SuperPass is NOT a MTI antenna,
> they really serve two different market segments.
>
> MTIs are EXPENSIVE and LARGE and HEAVY, the exact opposite of a Superpass
> antenna.  Of course the MTI is going to outperform the Superpass in most
> cases. The MTI was purpose built to get optimal RF characteristics out of
> the technology, and the trade off is expense, size, and weight. But the
MTI
> makes a VERY high quality antenna, if not one of the very best, from the
> perspective of RF pattern, isolation, and sturdiness.
>
> In 900Mhz, our personal favorite are the Tiltek sector antennas. We like
> them because they have excellent front to back isolation and quick drop on
> beamwidth edge comparatively, have rock solid mounting hardware thats easy
> to adjust, and priced a bot lower than other high end antennas. We find
> Winncom to be a good source for these, although I'm sure there are other
> good sources.   The Tilteks have both a Dual Pol and Single pol options. I
> dont think its possible to buy a better antenna. Again, with quality, also
> comes size.  This is a 4ft by 1.5ft antenna at about 10db for 120deg.
> (Thats
>
> not exact db spec)
>
> There also becomes a convenience factor to consider. We Almost always use
> the Trango built in antennas when we can, and I've heard that people using
> Canopy  are happy with the Canopy brand integrated 900Sector.
>
> When the sectors quality reallty starts to matter is when trying to
> colocatemultiple antennas near each other to get full 360 degrees.
> With the Tilteks, we can get 3 120degree sectors of the same polarity
> colocated without self interference (meaning all on adjacent channels),
> fasten directly to a Guyed tower structure (meaning very little horizontal
> seperation, maybe 3ft)  if we put about 15ft of verticle seperation
between
> each antenna.
>
> Originally, we put them back to back, which worked way better than the
> other
>
> native antennas could. The excellent F/B ratio and tight beamwidth made
> that
>
> possible.  But as our buildout grew, and we had more links and varying
> signal strengths, and more close to beamwidth edges than others, we
> recognized a clear improvement when we added the verticle seperation also.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Scottie Arnett" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 1:16 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for iput on 900MHz H-Pol Sector
> Choices.Nothealthcare, taxes or governm