Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie .... php
With all this discussion on porting, I have to say That the big advantage that witango has is it's IDE. I would love to continue to use it but be able to Export the taf XML to other languages. I think Phil should concentrate on dev of the IDE only And drop the server. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 24, 2008, at 11:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I just recently converted some of my apps over from Witango to PHP. Here's what I found:- 1. Apache is a breeze 2. MySQL work great 3. myphpadmin is good 4. You need a PHP debugger ... I used Eclipse (free) but Zend, Nusphere or whatever may be better 5. There's no Visual DEv Tool that works (not that I could find) anywhere near as well as Witango 6. I had to re-write all the code ... it was a good exercise anyway. 7. My app was fairly simple no worries Norm Original Message -------- Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie From: WebDude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, October 23, 2008 9:47 pm To: witango-talk@witango.com Janet, I feel your pain. I have been busy downloading stuff and poking around. I have read hundreds of pages on just the install stuff for Apache, MySQL, PHP, ColdFusion, .NET... I even spent a day on nothing but open source. I have a spare server I have been thinking of using just to try some stuff out. What is really daunting is the pages upon pages and gotchyas on just an installation... not to mention the additional downloads needed to make it work in Windows. Funny... I have about 60 sites, some getting well more then 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
ons, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie .... php
Hi All,I just recently converted some of my apps over from Witango to PHP. Here's what I found:-1. Apache is a breeze2. MySQL work great3. myphpadmin is good4. You need a PHP debugger ... I used Eclipse (free) but Zend, Nusphere or whatever may be better5. There's no Visual DEv Tool that works (not that I could find) anywhere near as well as Witango6. I had to re-write all the code ... it was a good exercise anyway.7. My app was fairly simpleno worriesNorm Original Message Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie From: WebDude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, October 23, 2008 9:47 pm To: witango-talk@witango.com Janet, I feel your pain. I have been busy downloading stuff and poking around. I have read hundreds of pages on just the install stuff for Apache, MySQL, PHP, ColdFusion, .NET... I even spent a day on nothing but open source. I have a spare server I have been thinking of using just to try some stuff out. What is really daunting is the pages upon pages and gotchyas on just an installation... not to mention the additional downloads needed to make it work in Windows. Funny... I have about 60 sites, some getting well more then 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message-From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500To: witango-talk@witango.comSubject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie> I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been> using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years> ago" > > Yes this is my story also.> Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings> , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found> that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy.> So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion> and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either> PHP, VB, C+ or something.> How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages?> I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other> products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf = Database WebWorks: Dynamic web sites through database integration http://www.DatabaseWebWorks.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
On 10/24/08 1:26 AM, "Mark "Hawk" Weiss" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > It isn't that hard, until you want to get to the finer points. I > started first by installing MAMP on my mac. It installed just as > advertised and I was able to get my feet wet on my laptop at my leisure. MAMP on Leopard isn't quite as easy to set up as with Tiger. Sorry, let me qualify that. MAMP (apache/mysql/php) is great on Leopard. When you throw in Coldfusion they don't all play well together. I gave up and just installed CF development server and let it do it's thing. I can't run MAMP and CF at the same time. Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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This would be way cool. Tackling php objects now. Examples would so very much be appreciated. Thanks x 10,000 Robert. Mikal Anderson PDX On 10/24/2008 12:09 AM, Robert Garcia wrote: I will be posting a way to build a class in PHP with what I would call witango objects. Functions and such that mimic witango tags, to help port. I should be able to start posting code examples this weekend. I won't be posting them on the list, because they just get lost on the list. I will post them on http://devcom.bighead.net There will be some other very helpful stuff for porting to php, and plus you can ask questions. If others want to do the same for CF, or JAVA, or .NET, whatever, let me know, and I will set you up to moderate parts of the forum. If you are interested, post in the general help section above. TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
nstall stuff for Apache, MySQL, PHP, ColdFusion, .NET... I even spent a day on nothing but open source. I have a spare server I have been thinking of using just to try some stuff out. What is really daunting is the pages upon pages and gotchyas on just an installation... not to mention the additional downloads needed to make it work in Windows. Funny... I have about 60 sites, some getting well more then 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf Mark Weiss http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I will be posting a way to build a class in PHP with what I would call witango objects. Functions and such that mimic witango tags, to help port. I should be able to start posting code examples this weekend. I won't be posting them on the list, because they just get lost on the list. I will post them on http://devcom.bighead.net There will be some other very helpful stuff for porting to php, and plus you can ask questions. If others want to do the same for CF, or JAVA, or .NET, whatever, let me know, and I will set you up to moderate parts of the forum. If you are interested, post in the general help section above. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 23, 2008, at 9:47 PM, WebDude wrote: Janet, I feel your pain. I have been busy downloading stuff and poking around. I have read hundreds of pages on just the install stuff for Apache, MySQL, PHP, ColdFusion, .NET... I even spent a day on nothing but open source. I have a spare server I have been thinking of using just to try some stuff out. What is really daunting is the pages upon pages and gotchyas on just an installation... not to mention the additional downloads needed to make it work in Windows. Funny... I have about 60 sites, some getting well more then 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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hen 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, just websites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf Mark Weiss http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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Janet, I feel your pain. I have been busy downloading stuff and poking around. I have read hundreds of pages on just the install stuff for Apache, MySQL, PHP, ColdFusion, .NET... I even spent a day on nothing but open source. I have a spare server I have been thinking of using just to try some stuff out. What is really daunting is the pages upon pages and gotchyas on just an installation... not to mention the additional downloads needed to make it work in Windows. Funny... I have about 60 sites, some getting well more then 100,000 page views per day... well over 1,000,000 visitors per month in all - all on one MSSQL dedicated server and two dedicated Witango servers runninng Witango 2000. Never a slowdown and has been rock solid for over 8 years. 16 e-commerce sites, 2 Data Access Managements sites, 4 forums, 12 internal employee sites for some very large corporations, one very large directory site, 2 online streaming PDF sites and a smattering of... well, justwebsites. Now I am losing sleep because I am so worried about what direction to go. I spent a very large amount on the corporate license thinking that this was the way to go and have spent much time and resources in developing all I have going. I never upgraded because of the 20,000 plus I dished out and I remember the days when it was discussed that the editor would be able to output ASP and possibly PHP code... but that never happened or was just a pipe dream. Frankly, I thought it would have been a great idea to port output of the editor to more popular languages. Anyway... enough crying in my beer. I went this route and now I am going to have to do something about it. I just spent most of the day trying to install PHP and getting the "hello world" to work. Tomorrow, I might try to see if I can actually connect to a database. This is going to take me a little while... -Original message- From: "janet" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 23Oct 2008 15:55:41 -0500 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude > > "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago" > > Yes this is my story also. > Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings > , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found > that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. > So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with > blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion > and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either > PHP, VB, C+ or something. > How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? > I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other > products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I was wondering what to say until I saw this email from Webdude "Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago" Yes this is my story also. Pretty good at SQL ( MS SQL) triggers, stored procedure, views, groupings , maxvalues etc just a happy place for me, also HTML and Witango. I found that if I had good array results then the Witango stuff was easy. So I have looked at other RAD visual products. With ASP.net you end up with blocks of code either in VB or C+, there is s Borland PHP RAD, Cold fusion and Dreamweaver etc. But it seems that the builder tools all create either PHP, VB, C+ or something. How come Witango shielded me from all of these languages? I know Witango is an XML code generator so why isn't there any other products creating XML? I am asking the wrong question? Thanks Janet Case -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:42 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
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Beverly, I agree. There's no joy in being the "back channel." But then again, some news is better than none at all. Mikal On 10/23/2008 5:36 AM, Beverly Voth wrote: On 10/23/08 2:12 AM, "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: Hey Rick did you read Mikal's Post of email from Phil. Hey, Ben. Why did we not get this post FROM Phil instead of "back channel"? I don't communicate with Phil or Sophie directly. I simply don't have the time. I expect them to communicate with me via this forum. I would even accept something on the website. I can understand delays. I can't understand this form of "communication". Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Rich, No, I wish it was that easy! I'm merely comparing the types of files. A cfm is like a taf and a cfc is like a tcf file. But, it's an easier learning curve than ASP.net. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-21-08 9:57 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Rick, Are you saying that a if you change the extension on a taf to cfm it will run in cold fusion? rich Richard V. Jasinski President The Ogden Group of Rochester, Inc 585-321-1060 ex 24 www.ogdengroup.com -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:33 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Now that's a little too harsh. I doubt that they made alot of money from WiTango. As for it being the best commercial product, not anymore it's not. Cold Fusion & ASP.net have many more features than WiTango 5.5 has and can do quite a bit more right out of the box. WiTango was the best for awhile, but it wasn't marketed at all which led to its demise. With had to be on top of the web development world, features, surveys, and R&D up the ying-yang. That costs alot of money just to research technology. Then you have to develop it, test it, package it, and sell it. Then marketing and advertising comes into play. Sometimes, you just run out of money! Sometimes you sit back, look at something and realize you can't make it work regardless how much effort and time you put into something. There comes a time where you have to cut your losses and run. Looks like WiTango did that. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-21-08 6:41 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. > -Original Message- > From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. > > Mikal Anderson > Developer from Tango Days > > > On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: > > Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. > > > > One thing I have learned is that many people respond to > pressure and > > challenges by using the tools they have. Some people > understand that > > part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER > learn that > > lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along > the way, > > the resources of this group were at their disposal. They > chose not to > > use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of > businesses, > > heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, > and freaks > > out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't > > see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my > > limitation, if you know what I mean. > > > > Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in > business. Such > > are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, > > collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, > but has a > > personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is > clear. It is > > also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, > > "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign > > non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for > all of us." > > Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it > and accept > > it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable > business partner > > that I can tell. > > > > There are several legal options that open the way for a collective > > effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who > would have > > helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great > > great resources. No matter what you say, you can't force them to be > > collaborative or give up control or give up the credit or > trust others > > who are better than them in some things. That is a choice > they need to > > make willingly. > > > > I have a relative like that. Absolutely no communication. > Nothing you > > can do, until he needs something, and then afterwards he is > back into > > his cave. I left a company and lost 6 figures to that kind of > > behavior. Nothing could be done. Nothing. > > > > Sylvia Ashton Warner, an educator in New Zealand said, > "Behavior has > > it's reasons." It always does. Being clueless about them, > and having > > an unwilling partner, destroys trust. And trust is at the center of > > all successful human relationships. > > > > So here is where I think we are at. > > > > Someday perhaps a product will be released and and version of open > >
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Ben, It's too bad that Phil needs to use Mikal to relay his messages. I think what we're looking for is an official announcement on this list or their website (which hasn't been updated in years). I don't think we're looking for a shred of hope, or some grapevine news. I believe we deserve to hear something concrete and definitive in the WiTango community. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Ben Johansen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-23-08 3:12 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Rick did you read Mikal's Post of email from Phil. Looks like With is fine, and 6 has some things that are taking longer. The real issue here is lack of communication from With, which has lead to a lot of frustration. Tom just voiced his frustration, albeit crude, but probably what a lot would have like to have said ;-) To the people at With this list is taken as the official venue for communications from you. the onus is on you to keep the customers informed, and not the other way around. If you don't want to see more people leave, it would be in your best interest to put a liaison on the list to quill the masses :-) Here is hoping for version 6 soon and better list communication On Oct 21, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Rick Sanders wrote: > Now that's a little too harsh. I doubt that they made alot of money > from > WiTango. > > As for it being the best commercial product, not anymore it's not. > Cold > Fusion & ASP.net have many more features than WiTango 5.5 has and > can do > quite a bit more right out of the box. WiTango was the best for > awhile, but > it wasn't marketed at all which led to its demise. With had to be on > top of > the web development world, features, surveys, and R&D up the ying- > yang. That > costs alot of money just to research technology. Then you have to > develop > it, test it, package it, and sell it. Then marketing and advertising > comes > into play. Sometimes, you just run out of money! Sometimes you sit > back, > look at something and realize you can't make it work regardless how > much > effort and time you put into something. There comes a time where you > have to > cut your losses and run. Looks like WiTango did that. > > Rick Sanders > Webenergy > Canada: 902-431-7279 > USA: 919-799-9076 > Canada: www.webenergy.ca > USA: www.webenergyusa.com > > > -Original Message- > From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: October-21-08 6:41 AM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Bravo? > > These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for > their own > commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this > particular niche and run it into the ground. > > I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. > > May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who > sympathizes > with them. > >> -Original Message- >> From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 >> To: witango-talk@witango.com >> Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie >> >> Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. >> >> Mikal Anderson >> Developer from Tango Days >> >> >> On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: >>> Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. >>> >>> One thing I have learned is that many people respond to >> pressure and >>> challenges by using the tools they have. Some people >> understand that >>> part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER >> learn that >>> lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along >> the way, >>> the resources of this group were at their disposal. They >> chose not to >>> use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of >> businesses, >>> heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, >> and freaks >>> out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't >>> see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my >>> limitation, if you know what I mean. >>> >>> Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in >> business. Such >>> are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, >>> collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, >> but has
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Rich, No, I wish it was that easy! I'm merely comparing the types of files. A cfm is like a taf and a cfc is like a tcf file. But, it's an easier learning curve than ASP.net. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Rich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-21-08 9:57 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Rick, Are you saying that a if you change the extension on a taf to cfm it will run in cold fusion? rich Richard V. Jasinski President The Ogden Group of Rochester, Inc 585-321-1060 ex 24 www.ogdengroup.com -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:33 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
On 10/23/08 2:12 AM, "Ben Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Hey Rick did you read Mikal's Post of email from Phil. Hey, Ben. Why did we not get this post FROM Phil instead of "back channel"? I don't communicate with Phil or Sophie directly. I simply don't have the time. I expect them to communicate with me via this forum. I would even accept something on the website. I can understand delays. I can't understand this form of "communication". Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Rick did you read Mikal's Post of email from Phil. Looks like With is fine, and 6 has some things that are taking longer. The real issue here is lack of communication from With, which has lead to a lot of frustration. Tom just voiced his frustration, albeit crude, but probably what a lot would have like to have said ;-) To the people at With this list is taken as the official venue for communications from you. the onus is on you to keep the customers informed, and not the other way around. If you don't want to see more people leave, it would be in your best interest to put a liaison on the list to quill the masses :-) Here is hoping for version 6 soon and better list communication On Oct 21, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Rick Sanders wrote: Now that's a little too harsh. I doubt that they made alot of money from WiTango. As for it being the best commercial product, not anymore it's not. Cold Fusion & ASP.net have many more features than WiTango 5.5 has and can do quite a bit more right out of the box. WiTango was the best for awhile, but it wasn't marketed at all which led to its demise. With had to be on top of the web development world, features, surveys, and R&D up the ying- yang. That costs alot of money just to research technology. Then you have to develop it, test it, package it, and sell it. Then marketing and advertising comes into play. Sometimes, you just run out of money! Sometimes you sit back, look at something and realize you can't make it work regardless how much effort and time you put into something. There comes a time where you have to cut your losses and run. Looks like WiTango did that. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-21-08 6:41 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. -Original Message- From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. Mikal Anderson Developer from Tango Days On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. One thing I have learned is that many people respond to pressure and challenges by using the tools they have. Some people understand that part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER learn that lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along the way, the resources of this group were at their disposal. They chose not to use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of businesses, heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, and freaks out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my limitation, if you know what I mean. Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in business. Such are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, but has a personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is clear. It is also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for all of us." Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it and accept it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable business partner that I can tell. There are several legal options that open the way for a collective effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who would have helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great great resources. No matter what you say, you can't force them to be collaborative or give up control or give up the credit or trust others who are better than them in some things. That is a choice they need to make willingly. I have a relative like that. Absolutely no communication. Nothing you can do, until he needs something, and then afterwards he is back into his cave. I left a company and lost 6 figures to that kind of behavior. Nothing could be done. Nothing. Sylvia Ashton Warner, an educator in New Zealand said, "Behavior has it's reasons." It always does. Being clueless about them, and having an unwilling partner, destroys
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Now that's a little too harsh. I doubt that they made alot of money from WiTango. As for it being the best commercial product, not anymore it's not. Cold Fusion & ASP.net have many more features than WiTango 5.5 has and can do quite a bit more right out of the box. WiTango was the best for awhile, but it wasn't marketed at all which led to its demise. With had to be on top of the web development world, features, surveys, and R&D up the ying-yang. That costs alot of money just to research technology. Then you have to develop it, test it, package it, and sell it. Then marketing and advertising comes into play. Sometimes, you just run out of money! Sometimes you sit back, look at something and realize you can't make it work regardless how much effort and time you put into something. There comes a time where you have to cut your losses and run. Looks like WiTango did that. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-21-08 6:41 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. > -Original Message- > From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. > > Mikal Anderson > Developer from Tango Days > > > On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: > > Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. > > > > One thing I have learned is that many people respond to > pressure and > > challenges by using the tools they have. Some people > understand that > > part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER > learn that > > lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along > the way, > > the resources of this group were at their disposal. They > chose not to > > use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of > businesses, > > heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, > and freaks > > out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't > > see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my > > limitation, if you know what I mean. > > > > Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in > business. Such > > are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, > > collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, > but has a > > personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is > clear. It is > > also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, > > "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign > > non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for > all of us." > > Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it > and accept > > it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable > business partner > > that I can tell. > > > > There are several legal options that open the way for a collective > > effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who > would have > > helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great > > great resources. No matter what you say, you can't force them to be > > collaborative or give up control or give up the credit or > trust others > > who are better than them in some things. That is a choice > they need to > > make willingly. > > > > I have a relative like that. Absolutely no communication. > Nothing you > > can do, until he needs something, and then afterwards he is > back into > > his cave. I left a company and lost 6 figures to that kind of > > behavior. Nothing could be done. Nothing. > > > > Sylvia Ashton Warner, an educator in New Zealand said, > "Behavior has > > it's reasons." It always does. Being clueless about them, > and having > > an unwilling partner, destroys trust. And trust is at the center of > > all successful human relationships. > > > > So here is where I think we are at. > > > > Someday perhaps a product will be released and and version of open > >
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I assist! That is the reason to switch to typo3 (http://typo3.org/about/new-to-typo3/ ) for most business. Easy to expand , many Extensions, a programming framework, flow3 is on the way. State of the art. Accepted and used by companys. Free. I use Witango as a RAD System for some applications (if i can access the databse - if not mysql) and i would in future also do that, if. Christian Am 20.10.2008 um 18:47 schrieb Rick Sanders: Hey all, I've been watching the list for some time. One thing I will say is that Phil and Sophie do keep to their word. If they say version 6 will come out, then it will. They don't meet deadlines and are probably going through alot of legal litigations and legalities which can hold them back. I agree that we should be updated, but that's life. The world of web development has changed in a big way the last few years. PhP is free, ASP.net is basically free. Adobe is announcing a free app server for Cold fusion as well. As from what I can remember, WiTango 6 will be open-source and free too. That being said, there's alot of preparation and time that needs to go into releasing an open-source platform. PhP and ASP.net have a big head start with many free scripts and applications all over the web. Same goes for Cold Fusion. The future is Content Management. I'd be working on a WiTango Nuke platform and be ready for WiTango 6 if I were continuing to stay with the technology when it becomes available. Without an application base for a platform, the technology is useless. We've all been seeing the way things have been going with WiTango for quite some time. If you haven't gone to another technology yet, you should have done so years ago. If not, it's time to start. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey all, I've been watching the list for some time. One thing I will say is that Phil and Sophie do keep to their word. If they say version 6 will come out, then it will. They don't meet deadlines and are probably going through alot of legal litigations and legalities which can hold them back. I agree that we should be updated, but that's life. The world of web development has changed in a big way the last few years. PhP is free, ASP.net is basically free. Adobe is announcing a free app server for Cold fusion as well. As from what I can remember, WiTango 6 will be open-source and free too. That being said, there's alot of preparation and time that needs to go into releasing an open-source platform. PhP and ASP.net have a big head start with many free scripts and applications all over the web. Same goes for Cold Fusion. The future is Content Management. I'd be working on a WiTango Nuke platform and be ready for WiTango 6 if I were continuing to stay with the technology when it becomes available. Without an application base for a platform, the technology is useless. We've all been seeing the way things have been going with WiTango for quite some time. If you haven't gone to another technology yet, you should have done so years ago. If not, it's time to start. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
They may have just set things up so that people who tend to be SO offensive get bounced. I know *I* would! 8) On [Oct 21 -2008 ], at 9:53 AM, Dan Stein wrote: something to keep in mind but I do really doubt that Tom's comments will cause them to shut down the list. and my emails to sophie and Phil did not bounce so I expect they are still around. -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com Men do not care how nobly they live, but only how long they live, although it is within the reach of every man to live nobly, but within no man's power to live long. Brian Haig Private Sector TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
something to keep in mind but I do really doubt that Tom's comments will cause them to shut down the list. and my emails to sophie and Phil did not bounce so I expect they are still around. -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com Men do not care how nobly they live, but only how long they live, although it is within the reach of every man to live nobly, but within no man's power to live long. Brian Haig Private Sector On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:44 AM, WebDude wrote: If you guys want, I have several forums online. I could easily set up one for Witango. If this list goes away, it might be a way for us to still communicate. Up to you... WebDude -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:23 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I think this is true. I suspect that Adobe may let this language pass on also over time and tighten integration with PHP. I notice Web Assist has announced they will no longer be making products for ASP or Cold Fusion which might be a sign. -- -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com "It is perfectly safe to stand nowhere." On Oct 20, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rick Sanders wrote: Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/ maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/ maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to ht
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
If you guys want, I have several forums online. I could easily set up one for Witango. If this list goes away, it might be a way for us to still communicate. Up to you... WebDude -Original Message- From: Dan Stein [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 8:23 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I think this is true. I suspect that Adobe may let this language pass on also over time and tighten integration with PHP. I notice Web Assist has announced they will no longer be making products for ASP or Cold Fusion which might be a sign. -- -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com "It is perfectly safe to stand nowhere." On Oct 20, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rick Sanders wrote: > Hey Webdude, > > I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. > > Taf = cfm > Tcf = cfc > > Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is > free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a > PC as the CF server. > > Rick Sanders > Webenergy > Canada: 902-431-7279 > USA: 919-799-9076 > Canada: www.webenergy.ca > USA: www.webenergyusa.com > > -Original Message- > From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Hello all, > > Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have > been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing > many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to > Windows. > Witango is > all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is > on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I > am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what > I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I > am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot > of effort. I have been going through the different options out there > and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not > know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP > which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to > work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to > try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks > very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am > fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the > time to learn anything new. > > I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you > the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there > that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a > specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to > use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to > start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would > prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with > the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages > upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are > there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango > background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have > some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to > streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. > > This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... > > > > PHP Test > > > Hello World'; ?> > > > > > WebDude > __ > __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > __ > __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I think this is true. I suspect that Adobe may let this language pass on also over time and tighten integration with PHP. I notice Web Assist has announced they will no longer be making products for ASP or Cold Fusion which might be a sign. -- -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com "It is perfectly safe to stand nowhere." On Oct 20, 2008, at 12:33 PM, Rick Sanders wrote: Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
" I respond, "Son, we have the love thing going. I will always love you and be on your side. I am in your corner. What we don't have going right now is the trust thing. You don't have to work for my love, but we all have to work for trust. In a few months after things settle down, perhaps we can the trust thing going again. For now, nope, you don't get the car. Sorry." The personal regard for Phil is there. It's the trust thing. However, given this hand we have been dealt, we all now can choose. Play by Phil's rules or Not. If we choose to play by his rules, then shut up. If we choose not to then move on and remember the good times. Pals forever, Mark Weiss On Oct 20, 2008, at 9:21 PM, Tom Ferguson wrote: And why do I find it funny that I get e-Mail to Phil and Sophie returned as "Undeliverable". Guess they have bailed too. -Original Message----- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:09 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I find it curious that no one from WiTango has responded to this thread. I think that speaks volumes. Tango is dead. That sucks. -Original Message----- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:33 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -----Original Message----- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf Mark Weiss http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie (end of the List)
Scott, Lets hope Tom email does not result in the list being shut down. Maybe Tom wants to remove himself from the list seems, he has nothing more to contribute. I would say for sure he has violated the ethical parameters of the list. Anyway i have just set my email rule to automatically delete emails from him so I can continue to read this thread much of what is useful. I would hope someone in customer support would make a statement soon. Please do not shut down the list due to one person behavior but do feel free to remove them from the list. -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer Digital Software Solutions 799 Evergreen Circle Telford PA 18969 Land: 215-799-0192 Cell: 610-256-2843 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) FMP, WiTango, EDI,SQL 2000, MySQL, CWP [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com "There is a larger frame to the painting than the one that bounds our life's events." On Oct 21, 2008, at 9:11 AM, Scott Cadillac wrote: Isn't it sad, how all of Mark's insightful remarks can be swept away in one fell swoop like that? Well I think it's safe to say that we can expect the List to be shut down soon. It should be, after reaching a point such as this. So before I no longer have the ability to reach you all, I would just like to say a fond farewell and a sincere thank you to the colleagues I've gained, the customers I've had the pleasure of working for and especially the friends I've made on this List over the years. This List has been a wonderful opportunity and a great resource to all of us, and we have all benefitted from it, in one form or another. The beginnings of my programming career included Tango and I don't regret that one moment. Sometimes I really miss those long nights and weekends putting in extra time learning all the metatags, eking out power with my finger tips on the keyboard at a quickening pace... those were the days. I'll end my career in another programming language, and the best part is, I don't know which one yet. Take care everyone, thank you for taking time to read all my past ramblings, forgive my mistakes and any terse comments I've made, and I hope the very best for all of you, including Phil and Sophie. Please drop me an email occasionally, let me know how you're doing, or if you need a bit of help or advice. And if any of you are ever in Nova Scotia Canada, please stop by for tea. My fondest regards, and no regrets. Scott Cadillac ~ 902-624-1266 ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.xmlx.net/ On Oct-21-2008, at 6:41 AM, Tom Ferguson wrote: Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. -Original Message- From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. Mikal Anderson Developer from Tango Days On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. One thing I have learned is that many people respond to pressure and challenges by using the tools they have. Some people understand that part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER learn that lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along the way, the resources of this group were at their disposal. They chose not to use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of businesses, heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, and freaks out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my limitation, if you know what I mean. Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in business. Such are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, but has a personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is clear. It is also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for all of us." Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it and accept it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable business partner that I can tell. There are several legal options that open the way for a collective effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who would have helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great gr
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Absolutely NOT! The "commands" are similar, as I explained.
<@IF EXPR=""> ... (witango)
(coldfusion)
if ( ) { ; } (PHP)
<@INCLUDE FILE="">
include('');
<@ASSIGN NAME="something" VALUE="abc123">
$something = 'abc123';
<@VAR something>
#something#
Those are just basics, but a lot of your coding will use these! We host all
of these (Wintango, PHP, Coldfusion). The SQL calls are similar, the logic
is similar, the HTML, JS & CSS are *exactly* the same.
Beverly
On 10/21/08 8:56 AM, "Rich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part:
> Rick, Are you saying that a if you change the extension on a taf to cfm
> it will run in cold fusion?
>
> rich
>
>
> Richard V. Jasinski
> President
> The Ogden Group of Rochester, Inc
> 585-321-1060 ex 24
> www.ogdengroup.com
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:33 PM
> To: witango-talk@witango.com
> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
>
> Hey Webdude,
>
> I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango.
>
> Taf = cfm
> Tcf = cfc
>
> Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is
> free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC
> as the CF server.
>
> Rick Sanders
> Webenergy
> Canada: 902-431-7279
> USA: 919-799-9076
> Canada: www.webenergy.ca
> USA: www.webenergyusa.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM
> To: witango-talk@witango.com
> Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
>
> Hello all,
>
> Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been
> using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many
> years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows.
> Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the
> writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it
> seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to
> do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem
> is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to
> take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options
> out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I
> really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small
> smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved
> to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even
> attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out
> there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently
> have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never
> taken the time to learn anything new.
>
> I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you
> the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there
> that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a
> specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use
> any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start,
> but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to
> continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the
> security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon
> pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any
> that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never
> went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated
> things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access
> management systems to e-commerce.
>
> This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time...
>
>
>
> PHP Test
>
>
> Hello World'; ?>
>
>
>
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Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie (end of the List)
Isn't it sad, how all of Mark's insightful remarks can be swept away in one fell swoop like that? Well I think it's safe to say that we can expect the List to be shut down soon. It should be, after reaching a point such as this. So before I no longer have the ability to reach you all, I would just like to say a fond farewell and a sincere thank you to the colleagues I've gained, the customers I've had the pleasure of working for and especially the friends I've made on this List over the years. This List has been a wonderful opportunity and a great resource to all of us, and we have all benefitted from it, in one form or another. The beginnings of my programming career included Tango and I don't regret that one moment. Sometimes I really miss those long nights and weekends putting in extra time learning all the metatags, eking out power with my finger tips on the keyboard at a quickening pace... those were the days. I'll end my career in another programming language, and the best part is, I don't know which one yet. Take care everyone, thank you for taking time to read all my past ramblings, forgive my mistakes and any terse comments I've made, and I hope the very best for all of you, including Phil and Sophie. Please drop me an email occasionally, let me know how you're doing, or if you need a bit of help or advice. And if any of you are ever in Nova Scotia Canada, please stop by for tea. My fondest regards, and no regrets. Scott Cadillac ~ 902-624-1266 ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.xmlx.net/ On Oct-21-2008, at 6:41 AM, Tom Ferguson wrote: Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. -Original Message- From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. Mikal Anderson Developer from Tango Days On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. One thing I have learned is that many people respond to pressure and challenges by using the tools they have. Some people understand that part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER learn that lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along the way, the resources of this group were at their disposal. They chose not to use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of businesses, heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, and freaks out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my limitation, if you know what I mean. Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in business. Such are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, but has a personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is clear. It is also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for all of us." Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it and accept it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable business partner that I can tell. There are several legal options that open the way for a collective effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who would have helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great great resources. No matter what you say, you can't force them to be collaborative or give up control or give up the credit or trust others who are better than them in some things. That is a choice they need to make willingly. I have a relative like that. Absolutely no communication. Nothing you can do, until he needs something, and then afterwards he is back into his cave. I left a company and lost 6 figures to that kind of behavior. Nothing could be done. Nothing. Sylvia Ashton Warner, an educator in New Zealand said, "Behavior has it's reasons." It always does. Being clueless about them, and having an unwilling partner, destroys trust. And trust is at the center of all successful human relationships. So here is where I think we are at. Someday perhaps a product will be released and and version of open source of some flavor. At that point, it will be as if this product had never existed. It will be a new product and a new idea and a new approach. Phil will then start
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Rick, Are you saying that a if you change the extension on a taf to cfm it will run in cold fusion? rich Richard V. Jasinski President The Ogden Group of Rochester, Inc 585-321-1060 ex 24 www.ogdengroup.com -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 12:33 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Bravo? These low-life skanks have played on each and every one of us for their own commercial gain and have taken the best commercial product in this particular niche and run it into the ground. I have no sympathy at all for these ass-clowns. May Phil and Sophie rot in hell. Fuck 'em, and anyone else who sympathizes with them. > -Original Message- > From: Mikal Anderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 02:18 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Wonderfully expressed, Mark. Thanks x 10,000. > > Mikal Anderson > Developer from Tango Days > > > On 10/20/2008 11:57 PM, Mark "Hawk" Weiss wrote: > > Nothing we say will smoke them out, or change their course. > > > > One thing I have learned is that many people respond to > pressure and > > challenges by using the tools they have. Some people > understand that > > part of their tool box is other people. Some leaders NEVER > learn that > > lesson, never see others as part of the solution. All along > the way, > > the resources of this group were at their disposal. They > chose not to > > use those resources. This happens all the time. In tons of > businesses, > > heck in marriages. My wife has poor night vision driving, > and freaks > > out, not because I am a poor driver, but because of what she can't > > see. Her limitation on that point, becomes my challenge, even my > > limitation, if you know what I mean. > > > > Ill-formed and complex problems come up all the time in > business. Such > > are the problems Phil faces. He could have involved others, > > collaboratively, to solve those problems, share the load, > but has a > > personality or mind set, that isn't open to that. That is > clear. It is > > also clear that isn't going to change soon. He isn't going to say, > > "Hey, sorry I didn't reach out, have a few sign > > non-competes/disclosure or whatever and get this done for > all of us." > > Not in the cards. Not in the personality. So just face it > and accept > > it. He is still an ok guy for sure. Just not a viable > business partner > > that I can tell. > > > > There are several legal options that open the way for a collective > > effort. Heaven knows, there have been many on the list who > would have > > helped, and have shown by their actions over the years to be great > > great resources. No matter what you say, you can't force them to be > > collaborative or give up control or give up the credit or > trust others > > who are better than them in some things. That is a choice > they need to > > make willingly. > > > > I have a relative like that. Absolutely no communication. > Nothing you > > can do, until he needs something, and then afterwards he is > back into > > his cave. I left a company and lost 6 figures to that kind of > > behavior. Nothing could be done. Nothing. > > > > Sylvia Ashton Warner, an educator in New Zealand said, > "Behavior has > > it's reasons." It always does. Being clueless about them, > and having > > an unwilling partner, destroys trust. And trust is at the center of > > all successful human relationships. > > > > So here is where I think we are at. > > > > Someday perhaps a product will be released and and version of open > > source of some flavor. At that point, it will be as if this product > > had never existed. It will be a new product and a new idea > and a new > > approach. Phil will then start over and build a new group of users > > from scratch. People who are new to the web development world, and > > don't have any of the history or baggage we all do for the > most part, > > will form his new business model, and slowly if at all, he > will have > > support again. Some of us might consider it if we see a > viable model. > > > > Then each of us will have to decide if this "new product" is worth > > taking a look at. > > > > In the mean time, for me, it hurts in a personal way, to be treated > > like this. I mean it cuts to the heart. Many comments of > others on the > > list reflect that hurt as well. I really know how this > kind of abuse > > hurts. Such hurt is often really deep. > > > > I don't think any of us will ever understand how someone > can care so > > little about others, or care so much about themselves, to > treat others > > in such a w
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
wrote: And why do I find it funny that I get e-Mail to Phil and Sophie returned as "Undeliverable". Guess they have bailed too. -Original Message----- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:09 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I find it curious that no one from WiTango has responded to this thread. I think that speaks volumes. Tango is dead. That sucks. -Original Message----- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:33 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -----Original Message----- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf Mark Weiss http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
erable". Guess they have bailed too. -Original Message- From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:09 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I find it curious that no one from WiTango has responded to this thread. I think that speaks volumes. Tango is dead. That sucks. -Original Message- From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:33 To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message----- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf __ __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf Mark Weiss http://trustthechildren.blogspot.com TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
And why do I find it funny that I get e-Mail to Phil and Sophie returned as "Undeliverable". Guess they have bailed too. > -Original Message- > From: Tom Ferguson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 10:09 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > I find it curious that no one from WiTango has responded to > this thread. > > I think that speaks volumes. > > Tango is dead. That sucks. > > > -Original Message- > > From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:33 > > To: witango-talk@witango.com > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > > > Hey Webdude, > > > > I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition > from WiTango. > > > > Taf = cfm > > Tcf = cfc > > > > Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion > app server is > > free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac > and use a > > PC as the CF server. > > > > Rick Sanders > > Webenergy > > Canada: 902-431-7279 > > USA: 919-799-9076 > > Canada: www.webenergy.ca > > USA: www.webenergyusa.com > > > > -Original Message- > > From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM > > To: witango-talk@witango.com > > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > > > Hello all, > > > > Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have > > been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing > > many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to > > Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a > quandry. I > > see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many > > years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge > and figure > > out what to do for what I have that already exists and for > the future. > > The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have > that moving > > is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the > > different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, > > parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I > > have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order > to get a > > site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the > only other > > language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the > problem is > > that everything out there looks very confusing and so far > removed from > > what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, > HTML and CSS > > but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. > > > > I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and > to tell you > > the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything > out there > > that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe > is there a > > specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to > > use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the > place to > > start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would > > prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it > along with > > the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that > there are pages > > upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are > > there any that you would recommend? > > Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school > for any of > > this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my > > sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management > systems to > > e-commerce. > > > > This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step > at a time... > > > > > > > > PHP Test > > > > > > Hello World'; ?> > > > > > > > > > > WebDude > > __ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > > > > > > __ > > __ > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > __ > __ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I find it curious that no one from WiTango has responded to this thread. I think that speaks volumes. Tango is dead. That sucks. > -Original Message- > From: Rick Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:33 > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Hey Webdude, > > I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. > > Taf = cfm > Tcf = cfc > > Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app > server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop > on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. > > Rick Sanders > Webenergy > Canada: 902-431-7279 > USA: 919-799-9076 > Canada: www.webenergy.ca > USA: www.webenergyusa.com > > -Original Message- > From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Hello all, > > Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I > have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started > developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and > eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used > and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall > and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am > going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do > for what I have that already exists and for the future. The > problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that > moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going > through the different options out there and I am so confused > as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which > direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP > which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our > servers to work, but that is the only other language that I > even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that > everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed > from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, > Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to > learn anything new. > > I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to > tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there > anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as > Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to > relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools > available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I > am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer > to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along > with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that > there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, > how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? > Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school > for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated > things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, > data access management systems to e-commerce. > > This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... > > > > PHP Test > > > Hello World'; ?> > > > > > WebDude > __ > __ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > > > > __ > __ > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Webdude, I'd check out Cold Fusion. It's a pretty easy transition from WiTango. Taf = cfm Tcf = cfc Best of all, you develop in Dreamweaver. The Cold Fusion app server is free for development. Best of all, you can develop on a Mac and use a PC as the CF server. Rick Sanders Webenergy Canada: 902-431-7279 USA: 919-799-9076 Canada: www.webenergy.ca USA: www.webenergyusa.com -Original Message- From: WebDude [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: October-20-08 12:42 PM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I can be daunting at first. My recommendation, is pick a small app or site you have already done in witango. Then write in PHP. Just dive in and do it. Eventually, it will be second nature. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 20, 2008, at 8:42 AM, WebDude wrote: Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
That is a good point. I have a large framework for converting to php from witango fast, direct port. But after running, if it is a well trafficked site, I have to rewrite much of it. In witango I used methods and hacks to get around a lot of shortcomings, and many ways of doing things in witango, can be done MUCH more efficiently in PHP in another way. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 20, 2008, at 6:19 AM, Beverly Voth wrote: On 10/19/08 7:47 AM, "GK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: Perhaps as a community we should start our own open source code conversion tool for Tango/Witango to php, .net, etc. Any takers? I don't know about that. I totally have a different "framework" with PHP than I had for Witango. When using the Witango developer studio, perhaps we're locked into conventions that aren't "convertible"? I think the "point" of using the studio, it was/is easy enough that it did/does a lot of the work for you. Drag an "if" icon and fill in the blanks. A lot easier! Build the SQL call for you? Why not?! See what I mean? I have converted sites from Witango to PHP or ColdFusion. We have ONE remaining site using Witango (it uses 9 different domains/UI, one SQL database). I just don't have the time (i.e. Money) to convert it. Sorry to NOT hear what the status is for Witango... Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I think some of that is what they are attempting to do. But it is hard to know because the communication with the community is abysmal. I love the IDE and the language and still use it. And I think Phil and sophie are great people. But from a business standpoint this last 18 months of little or no communication is inexcusable. At this point I would think we need several things There needs to be someone there whos job includes community relations. They should give us at least a monthly update and start out with a detailed update of where they are and where they are heading We should get an apology for the lack of communication to date We should get a realistic estimate on when the product might be released We should be able to know if when they overcome these legal hurdles, will there be a shipping product or some beta period. All reasonable questions. All have been asked before. Please stop ignoring those who have stuck it out and continue to be loyal. Dan -- Dan Stein FileMaker 7 Certified Developer FileMaker 9 Certified Developer 215-799-0192 Fax 215-799-0192 ( Call 1st) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.dss-db.com On Oct 19, 2008, at 1:59 AM, D. Richardy wrote: Phil, Sophie; we, the community love Witango (formely Tango) and we love to use it. Tell us a price to buying the source and to make TANGO as open source project. regards from Europe Daniel Richardy TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hey Dude, Here are my comments. When you mention ASP, are you talking about classic ASP, as in VBScript or JScript with .asp pages? Because obviously ASP.NET (.aspx pages) is the new Microsoft standard, and quite apart from the old way of scripting ASP - which I think is no longer supported. So if you're looking for a "tag" like experience, I would go with PHP or ColdFusion. Not that I'm discounting ASP.NET, because it can be quite easy to learn, especially if you stick to the Event-based model that Microsoft teaches in all their beginner training material. But Event model programming with Visual Studio is like comparing broccoli and oranges, when what you're looking for is something more like an apple. PHP, or actually Coldfusion for that matter, is more like apples to your orange Witango code. The PHP (or ColdFusion) language is structured very similar in functionality and purpose, and ease of use. But of course I'm not sure you'll find another Editor like Witango for PHP or ColdFusion, but at least your underlying code will be more readable, if that's the style you're used to. Note, PHP may advertise that it is "free" (whereas ColdFusion is not), but be careful because in a serious production environment if you want your PHP code to go fast and be stable - you'll have to pay for some extra goodies. Hope that helps. Scott, On Oct-20-2008, at 12:42 PM, WebDude wrote: Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Actually I use includes a lot in PHP and in Witango. So there is a navigation menu on all pages. In Witango, it's <@INCLUDE FILE="someMenu.tml">, in PHP it's I didn't mean to imply that includes were not used. What I meant was that if you did NO external calls outside the Witango editor functions, then you need to pull those out in some way. If you did no "hand-coding" it will be more difficult to extract the functionality. Sorry, I didn't mean this to be a "let's abandon Witango and here's how you do it". This is my final post on this topic. I just wish to hear one way or the other on the status... :) Beverly On 10/20/08 12:29 PM, "WebDude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Yes, there are statements in some of the includes, along with variables. Do > variables and statements not work when using includes for PHP? I think it > would be pretty easy to redo some of the includes... or just not use > includes. > > > WebDude > > -Original Message- > From: Beverly Voth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:08 AM > To: witango-talk@witango.com > Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie > > Web dude. Did you put any statements into includes, or was everything built > by the editor? > > For example, the *text*: > > <@IF EXPR=""> translates very well to > > (PHP) or > > (Coldfusion) > > But the things built by the editor may need to be translated to "text". Some > of this you'll see if you look at the RAW XML created for the .tafs > > If you use custom functions, these, of course have to be recreated. > > The "logic/flow" should bascially be the same. A login "taf" can be a login > page(s) with the same forms and processing. The SQL queries can be mostly > the same. > > The HTML, CSS, and JavaScript are definitely the same!! > > Beverly > > On 10/20/08 11:42 AM, "WebDude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in > part: > >> Hello all, >> >> Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have >> been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing >> many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to >> Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I >> see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many >> years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure >> out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. >> The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving >> is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the >> different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, >> parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I >> have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a >> site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other >> language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is >> that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from >> what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but > I have never taken the time to learn anything new. >> >> I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you >> the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there >> that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a >> specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to >> use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to >> start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would >> prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with >> the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages >> upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are >> there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango >> background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have >> some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to > streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. >> >> This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... >> >> >> >> PHP Test >> >> >> Hello World'; ?> >> >> >> >> >> WebDude >> __ >> __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf >> > > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Yes, there are statements in some of the includes, along with variables. Do variables and statements not work when using includes for PHP? I think it would be pretty easy to redo some of the includes... or just not use includes. WebDude -Original Message- From: Beverly Voth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:08 AM To: witango-talk@witango.com Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie Web dude. Did you put any statements into includes, or was everything built by the editor? For example, the *text*: <@IF EXPR=""> translates very well to (PHP) or (Coldfusion) But the things built by the editor may need to be translated to "text". Some of this you'll see if you look at the RAW XML created for the .tafs If you use custom functions, these, of course have to be recreated. The "logic/flow" should bascially be the same. A login "taf" can be a login page(s) with the same forms and processing. The SQL queries can be mostly the same. The HTML, CSS, and JavaScript are definitely the same!! Beverly On 10/20/08 11:42 AM, "WebDude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Hello all, > > Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have > been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing > many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to > Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I > see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many > years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure > out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. > The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving > is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the > different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, > parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I > have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a > site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other > language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is > that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from > what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. > > I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you > the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there > that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a > specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to > use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to > start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would > prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with > the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages > upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are > there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango > background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have > some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. > > This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... > > > > PHP Test > > > Hello World'; ?> > > > > > WebDude > __ > __ TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Web dude. Did you put any statements into includes, or was everything built by the editor? For example, the *text*: <@IF EXPR=""> translates very well to (PHP) or (Coldfusion) But the things built by the editor may need to be translated to "text". Some of this you'll see if you look at the RAW XML created for the .tafs If you use custom functions, these, of course have to be recreated. The "logic/flow" should bascially be the same. A login "taf" can be a login page(s) with the same forms and processing. The SQL queries can be mostly the same. The HTML, CSS, and JavaScript are definitely the same!! Beverly On 10/20/08 11:42 AM, "WebDude" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Hello all, > > Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been > using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years > ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is > all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the > wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to > have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that > already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable > with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been > going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to > editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I > have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site > that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language > that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that > everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I > currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have > never taken the time to learn anything new. > > I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the > truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives > as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you > can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools > available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally > confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I > am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and > it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, > how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my > Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have > some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming > PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. > > This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... > > > > PHP Test > > > Hello World'; ?> > > > > > WebDude > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf > TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
RE: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Hello all, Well, I have a problem and maybe some of you could help me. I have been using nothing but Tango and Witango since I started developing many years ago. Started on Mac with Butler and eventually moved to Windows. Witango is all I have ever used and now I am in a quandry. I see the writing is on the wall and though I have resisted for many years, it seems that I am going to have to take the plunge and figure out what to do for what I have that already exists and for the future. The problem is that I am so comfortable with what I have that moving is going to take a lot of effort. I have been going through the different options out there and I am so confused as to editors, parsers, etc. that I really do not know which direction to turn. I have a very small smattering of ASP which I hacked in order to get a site that was moved to our servers to work, but that is the only other language that I even attempted to try. The real crux of the problem is that everything out there looks very confusing and so far removed from what I currently have. I am fairly adept in SQL, Witango, HTML and CSS but I have never taken the time to learn anything new. I downloaded some PHP editors, some sample ASP stuff, and to tell you the truth, I just don't get a lot of it. Is there anything out there that gives as visual of an interface as Witango? Or maybe is there a specific place you can go to relearn the logic that it will take to use any of the tools available? I think PHP is probably the place to start, but I am totally confused as to how to go about it. I would prefer to continue using IIS as I am very familiar with it along with the security. I went to the PHP site and it seems that there are pages upon pages of just the install for IIS. Or, how about editors? Are there any that you would recommend? Keep in mind my Witango background. I never went to school for any of this stuff and I have some pretty complicated things running on my sites from forums to streaming PDFs, data access management systems to e-commerce. This is going to be tough, but I need to take it one step at a time... PHP Test Hello World'; ?> WebDude TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Dead technology or not, there are some legal hurtles here, not to mention the technical ones. Anybody remember Transact? (spelling?) Look how far that got (or not) before it dropped off the radar. Scott, On Oct-19-2008, at 8:47 AM, GK wrote: Perhaps as a community we should start our own open source code conversion tool for Tango/Witango to php, .net, etc. Any takers? - Original Message From: Robert Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:33:16 AM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I think there may have been a time when I would consider putting some of my money toward that. At this point, I don't think its worth it. It is dead. Even if Witango 6 finally came out, which doesn't seem likely, it is so far behind other languages. It is still buggy and lacking so many features that are found in other languages. Not only that, once you move on, you find so many OTHER aspects that you were missing in witango, that the cool studio just won't blow your skirt up anymore. I would have loved to have at least purchased the v6 studio for some of my old clients that are not worth porting to php, and one client that doesn't have the budget yet to port. I am actually debating porting some of those smaller clients/sites over to php at my own expense. It would be worth not having to continue to manage the old witango servers, and go through the crazy hoops to keep a 5.5 studio working. We have built a pretty big framework for porting over witango to php. I have thought about writing an app in RB to convert witango to php. It is definitely something I could do, but where is the market? In order to make my money back I would have to sell it for way too much money. The witango community has dwindled down to almost nothing. Even if witango v6 was released, at this point, I don't think it has any chance of survival. Even if Phil and Sophie just gave it to the community as open source, I don't think it could survive. And I mean REAL open source, not the open source they referred to previously with version 6. That is not open source. It is just a way to get somebody else to do their dev for free, yet they still make the money. No Thanks. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:59 PM, D. Richardy wrote: Phil, Sophie; we, the community love Witango (formely Tango) and we love to use it. Tell us a price to buying the source and to make TANGO as open source project. regards from Europe Daniel Richardy TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
On 10/19/08 7:47 AM, "GK" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in whole or in part: > Perhaps as a community we should start our own open source code conversion > tool for Tango/Witango to php, .net, etc. > > Any takers? I don't know about that. I totally have a different "framework" with PHP than I had for Witango. When using the Witango developer studio, perhaps we're locked into conventions that aren't "convertible"? I think the "point" of using the studio, it was/is easy enough that it did/does a lot of the work for you. Drag an "if" icon and fill in the blanks. A lot easier! Build the SQL call for you? Why not?! See what I mean? I have converted sites from Witango to PHP or ColdFusion. We have ONE remaining site using Witango (it uses 9 different domains/UI, one SQL database). I just don't have the time (i.e. Money) to convert it. Sorry to NOT hear what the status is for Witango... Beverly TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
Perhaps as a community we should start our own open source code conversion tool for Tango/Witango to php, .net, etc. Any takers? - Original Message From: Robert Garcia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: witango-talk@witango.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 6:33:16 AM Subject: Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie I think there may have been a time when I would consider putting some of my money toward that. At this point, I don't think its worth it. It is dead. Even if Witango 6 finally came out, which doesn't seem likely, it is so far behind other languages. It is still buggy and lacking so many features that are found in other languages. Not only that, once you move on, you find so many OTHER aspects that you were missing in witango, that the cool studio just won't blow your skirt up anymore. I would have loved to have at least purchased the v6 studio for some of my old clients that are not worth porting to php, and one client that doesn't have the budget yet to port. I am actually debating porting some of those smaller clients/sites over to php at my own expense. It would be worth not having to continue to manage the old witango servers, and go through the crazy hoops to keep a 5.5 studio working. We have built a pretty big framework for porting over witango to php. I have thought about writing an app in RB to convert witango to php. It is definitely something I could do, but where is the market? In order to make my money back I would have to sell it for way too much money. The witango community has dwindled down to almost nothing. Even if witango v6 was released, at this point, I don't think it has any chance of survival. Even if Phil and Sophie just gave it to the community as open source, I don't think it could survive. And I mean REAL open source, not the open source they referred to previously with version 6. That is not open source. It is just a way to get somebody else to do their dev for free, yet they still make the money. No Thanks. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:59 PM, D. Richardy wrote: Phil, Sophie; we, the community love Witango (formely Tango) and we love to use it. Tell us a price to buying the source and to make TANGO as open source project. regards from Europe Daniel Richardy TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
Re: Witango-Talk: Open Letter to Phil and Sophie
I think there may have been a time when I would consider putting some of my money toward that. At this point, I don't think its worth it. It is dead. Even if Witango 6 finally came out, which doesn't seem likely, it is so far behind other languages. It is still buggy and lacking so many features that are found in other languages. Not only that, once you move on, you find so many OTHER aspects that you were missing in witango, that the cool studio just won't blow your skirt up anymore. I would have loved to have at least purchased the v6 studio for some of my old clients that are not worth porting to php, and one client that doesn't have the budget yet to port. I am actually debating porting some of those smaller clients/sites over to php at my own expense. It would be worth not having to continue to manage the old witango servers, and go through the crazy hoops to keep a 5.5 studio working. We have built a pretty big framework for porting over witango to php. I have thought about writing an app in RB to convert witango to php. It is definitely something I could do, but where is the market? In order to make my money back I would have to sell it for way too much money. The witango community has dwindled down to almost nothing. Even if witango v6 was released, at this point, I don't think it has any chance of survival. Even if Phil and Sophie just gave it to the community as open source, I don't think it could survive. And I mean REAL open source, not the open source they referred to previously with version 6. That is not open source. It is just a way to get somebody else to do their dev for free, yet they still make the money. No Thanks. -- Robert Garcia President - BigHead Technology VP Application Development - eventpix.com 13653 West Park Dr Magalia, Ca 95954 ph: 530.645.4040 x222 fax: 530.645.4040 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bighead.net/ - http://eventpix.com/ On Oct 18, 2008, at 10:59 PM, D. Richardy wrote: Phil, Sophie; we, the community love Witango (formely Tango) and we love to use it. Tell us a price to buying the source and to make TANGO as open source project. regards from Europe Daniel Richardy TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf TO UNSUBSCRIBE: Go to http://www.witango.com/developer/maillist.taf
