From: Nick Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For f**ks sake Why do we have to go over the same
sh*t again and again week after f**king week I
thought we had come to some sort of conclusion but I
realise that non of these "discussions" ever reach a
conclusion and ppl continue dissing and flamming
when I say rhythm I 'm talking about rhythm as a focal point versus melody.
That is an African musical concept. And if it's Latino influenced that's
still African.
Where do you think they get their stuff from???
Rhythim is Rhythim,
Five
In a message dated 12/11/00 7:40:50 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Who gives a f**k about the colour of the music? I
>
>don't... I don't exclusively listen to detroit techno
>
>either because I'm not biased and neither are most
>
>ordinary people.
It is not about the colour of music but more lik
> > > I personally would love to see something like
> > goa-style trippiness and experimentation explored in
> > Detroit techno. I've heard hints of it in a few
> > things and its been quite fun.
this sounds interesting.. can you give some examples?
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Subject: Re: [313] not black enough...
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For f**ks sake Why do we have to go over the same
sh*t again and again week after f**king week I
thought we had come to some sort of conclusion but I
r
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From: Nick Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: christos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org <313@hyperreal.org>
Date: Monday, December 11, 2000 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough...
>You like what you like regardless of
>it's
Goa is related to heavy metal music and gets it's
sound from that... It doesn't have much to do with
previous forms of electronic music (ie detroit
influenced) at all...
Nick (Dj Pacific:)
--- mee-thod <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> > Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little
> "trippiness" into t
>One reason behind this, is that 90% of Americans
think that "techno" or electronic music in general is
a European thing.
There's a lot of truth to that though. Many of the
early technoists borrowed(or stole) heavilly from the
german or european sound. No denying that.
> The mainstream music
>
here here
--- Nick Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For f**ks sake Why do we have to go over the
> same
> sh*t again and again week after f**king week I
> thought we had come to some sort of conclusion but I
> realise that non of these "discussions" ever reach a
> conclusion and ppl cont
For f**ks sake Why do we have to go over the same
sh*t again and again week after f**king week I
thought we had come to some sort of conclusion but I
realise that non of these "discussions" ever reach a
conclusion and ppl continue dissing and flamming about
the same old b*ll*cks...
Who giv
I don't think traditional African musical concepts on rhythm was as big of an
influence on early house and techno as you may think.
The rhythm arrangements had more to do with 16 step drum machine sequencer of
the Roland XOX boxes.
I remember talking to Adonis on the phone in the mid 90's when he w
> Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little "trippiness" into the music??
> I personally would love to see something like goa-style trippiness and
> experimentation explored in Detroit techno. I've heard hints of it in a few
> things and its been quite fun.
i think a lot of the earlier stuff
lks wrote:
> Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it becomes
> synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely moving towards
> that.
i think the biggest concern is electronic music selling out to
corporates who take control of the music to sell as a commodity
Right On!!!
POINT ME IN THAT DIRECTION AND I WILL
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 19:22:31 EST
Tell that to the record companies that have much control over what we hear
and see.
Five
AMEN, Sister..
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From: "Lisa McEntire" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:19:44 -0700
What is wrong??? Absolutely nothing. There is no racism in
Tell that to the record companies that have much control over what we hear
and see.
Five
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:53:37 -0800 (PST)
I dont quite understand what you mean by American radio and its "racist
programming", lets see, if I tune into an American rap station and all they
play is rap, I must say..th
No,
it's racist because the only music that "Black" people are "legitimately"
linked to is rap or R & B not techno.
Five
American radio just like everything in America is divided into "White" and
"Black."
Detroit Techno is not considered "Black" because it is not embraced by Vibe
magazine or programmed onto R & B station formats.
Rock and Roll is seen as a "white" music even though its innovators are
"Black" ;
I dont quite understand what you mean by American radio and its "racist
programming", lets see, if I tune into an American rap station and all they
play is rap, I must say..they are racist because they are not playing
Swedish techno and some times I just wish they werent racist and played some
Joe
TOO BLACK TOO STRONG!
:)
aziza
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 13:27:19 EST
when I use the term "Black" I am referring to people of the African
diaspora
and Afric
when I use the term "Black" I am referring to people of the African diaspora
and African musical influences.
Detroit Techno is not "Black" because Black people made it in the begginning.
It is Black because it utilizes African musical concepts of rhythm instead of
an European emphasis on melod
> If trippynis becomes involved in art it becomes crap.
just don't say this to any fans of dali, picasso, escher, van gogh, the
doors, pink floyd etc etc etc etc etc.
kyle
What people mean by that statement is the original "techno" sound was
pioneered by Detroit dance producers like Juan Atkins in the mid to late
80's before that he was releasing electro tracks as Cybotron.
Techno! The New Dance Sound of Detroit on Ten was the groundbreaking
compilation that made the
> I talk of this as a duty I think anybody who does know has, but especially
> for the likes of Fatboy Slim, the Chemical Brothers or Moby - all of whom
> know what Techno is all too well. I am sure their marketing departments
have
> too much say in the matter, but they have a duty to be doing thin
>Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:05:49 +0100
>From: Danny Wolfers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [313] not black enough...
>
>> > >Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it
>> > becomes synonymous with the trippy
>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 17:58:03 -0500 (EST)
>From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: c c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>cc: 313@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Re: [313] not black enough...
>
>On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, c c wrote:
>
>> >From: Lester Kenyatt
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:15:03 EST
>Subject: Re: [313] not black enough...
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
>
>the problem isnt the type of drugs--its the kids using them. give the same
>16 yr old acid...they will still create the same
> > >Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it
> > becomes synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely
> > moving towards that.
>
> > Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little "trippiness" into the music??
Trippiness is like communism an evil thing and should n
the problem isnt the type of drugs--its the kids using them. give the same
16 yr old acid...they will still create the same problems they do on K or
anything else. the older you get, the more responsible you get. yes, there r
some (very few) exceptions.
mike
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, Fahd Al Noor wrote:
>
> I still dont quite understand the statement "Techno came from Detroit"
> very interesting concept..how things "come" from a place, out of the blue
> and how people like to ignore everything that took place priorly
> Nothing "comes" from a place..it is o
On Sat, 9 Dec 2000, c c wrote:
> >From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it
> becomes synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely
> moving towards that.
> Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little "trippin
>Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 02:09:54 -0500 (EST)
>From: Lester Kenyatta Spence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Well...I think the biggest concern with dance music is that it becomes
>synonymous with the trippy drug scene. We're definitely moving towards
>that.
Hey, what's wrong with bringing a little "
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From: "Fahd Al Noor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jonny McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: [313] not black enough
>
> I still dont quite understand the
I still dont quite understand the statement "Techno came from Detroit"
very interesting concept..how things "come" from a place, out of the blue
and how people like to ignore everything that took place priorly
Nothing "comes" from a place..it is originated due to the influence of
something else, m
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, christos wrote:
>
> > I agree. Our music isn't "black" enough. It's too fast, there's no
> > rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not "urban" enough. House is too
> > "gay". I have stopped worrying about it. If I was waiting to get paid
> > from negroes, I'd be living under t
on 12/8/2000 9:24 PM, Jayson B. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Do "predictability", "obviousness", and "sentimentality" work?
>
> they work perfectly.
>
> But humor me a bit, and explain your reasons for saying sentimentality.
"Sentimentality" is a fairly common term in music discussion/critici
> How about some actual reasons?
Do "predictability", "obviousness", and "sentimentality" work?
they work perfectly.
But humor me a bit, and explain your reasons for saying sentimentality.
_
Get more from t
on 12/8/2000 6:34 PM, Jayson B. at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>> since trance is written dominantely by white people, does this reason
>> alone
>>> make it uncredible?
>> no. it is uncredible because it f*ing sucks.
>
> and you were doing so well up to this point.
>
> How about some actual reason
Hehehe this reminds me of when I first started listening to techno and for
some strange reason I thought Jeff Mills was white
Someone brought up Richie Hawtin and it not mattering that he is white
because he is an incredible producer. I wonder if so many people would
ahve had a problem with P
> I know i'm not quoting (i already deleted the quote from my message, and
i'm
> too lazy to go back) directly, but does all of this mean that white
> producers have no credit what so ever?
no.
> Has all the techno that those crazy
> swedes have been putting out been for nothing?
ye
> since trance is written dominantely by white people, does this reason
alone
> make it uncredible?
no. it is uncredible because it f*ing sucks.
and you were doing so well up to this point.
How about some actual reasons?
_
To be able to go agianst the current black musician stereotype is VERY
difficult. The media has burned in the minds of America's youth that
black culture is all about "chillin in the ghetto," and sex.
I digress. The media is not the only culprit in this stereotype. Black men
themselves (a
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, christos wrote:
>
> > I agree. Our music isn't "black" enough. It's too fast, there's no
> > rappin, mackin and pimpin in it, it's not "urban" enough. House is too
> > "gay". I have stopped worrying about it. If I was waiting to get paid
> > from negroes, I'd be living under t
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