Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-23 Thread atomly
[Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com] ja...@iridite.com wrote: That's a real inverse snobbery vibe from where I'm sitting - ex pats and their rich friends has such an air of assumption about it it's just daft. Where China is concerned do you really think that's an assumption? It may be

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-23 Thread kent williams
Atomly and I will be forming a new electro-pop duo called DAFT WRONG. Our debut album will be titled LARGEST PEOPLE IN THE ROOM. On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 3:15 PM, atomly ato...@atomly.com wrote: Where China is concerned do you really think that's an assumption? It may be daft/wrong but that's

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-16 Thread ja...@iridite.com
I just don't get a lot of this argument - I know the guy who put on the gig in question and he's a good guy. What's wrong with ex pats anyway? I lived in Amsterdam for two years and that put me in the ex pat box - it's not a word I'd consider in a negative fashion. Of course there are many, many

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Dust
ja...@iridite.com wrote: I just don't get a lot of this argument - I know the guy who put on the gig in question and he's a good guy. I didn't say he wasn't. What's wrong with ex pats anyway? I lived in Amsterdam for two years and that put me in the ex pat box - it's not a word I'd consider

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-16 Thread ja...@iridite.com
Meh - I shouldn't have started/continued this conversation as I don;t reallyt have time to express my thoughts fully but: What's wrong with ex pats anyway? I lived in Amsterdam for two years and that put me in the ex pat box - it's not a word I'd consider in a negative fashion. I just

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-16 Thread Martin Dust
ja...@iridite.com wrote: That's a real inverse snobbery vibe from where I'm sitting - ex pats and their rich friends has such an air of assumption about it it's just daft. Where China is concerned do you really think that's an assumption? It may be daft/wrong but that's how I see it and it

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dust
On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:20, David Powers wrote: I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just as bad as China. By your logic DJ's shouldn't play at all! ~David You could but I have even greater difficulty with the Chinese Government: 1. The lack of free speech and free

RE: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread Odeluga, Ken
an impact on that. Ken -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2009 9:51 AM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Playing In China On 8 Sep 2009, at 16:20, David Powers wrote: I would argue that the USA and UK have regimes that are just

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dust
On 9 Sep 2009, at 10:05, Odeluga, Ken wrote: Most here agree with your point of view Martin. The differences are all in the way we choose to handle it, that's all. I know that one person saying NO may not make a difference but I still believe in people power, I really do. You've got

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread Ravinder S Mann
Inspiring one person can make a world of difference - Tiannamen square. But how could you (or the collective we rather) allow people to listen music they like. Artists could tour and still be against the govt maybe even dontate profits to the people able to make a difference in the host nation. I

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread Martin Dust
But yeah BNP on Question Time on a TV near you. I hope they show themselves to be the bafoons they are but no doubt will still get some sympathy/publicity. Because I support free speech, I don't support the no platform stance. In Sheffield for example we gave the BNP enough space and rope

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-09 Thread JT Stewart
Well said Martin, I completely agree with your stance when framed this way. I didn't agree with the framing of the problem as something to do with ex-pats and rich people, since you may play for those sorts in any city. It seemed to be framing the issue as a problem with the audience, or lack of

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Dust
On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:24, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Its a tricky one. Bringing the music to a potentially huge market v. playing insert oppressive state but I doubt he got paid loads or paid any money to sponsor the said oppressive state. It might even inspire listeners to chanllenge the status

RE: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-08 Thread Odeluga, Ken
12:21 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Playing In China On 8 Sep 2009, at 11:24, Ravinder S Mann wrote: Its a tricky one. Bringing the music to a potentially huge market v. playing insert oppressive state but I doubt he got paid loads or paid any money to sponsor the said oppressive state

RE: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-08 Thread Robert Taylor
China is very much a secular state Martin! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [mailto:mar...@dustscience.com] Sent: 08 September 2009 12:21 To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) Playing In China I just find it hard

Re: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-08 Thread Martin Dust
On 8 Sep 2009, at 12:28, Robert Taylor wrote: China is very much a secular state Martin! Go tell that to Tibet Rob! But I think the statement of Totalitarianism is correct as China was still a communist last time I checked. m

RE: (313) Playing In China

2009-09-08 Thread Robert Taylor
: (313) Playing In China On 8 Sep 2009, at 12:28, Robert Taylor wrote: China is very much a secular state Martin! Go tell that to Tibet Rob! But I think the statement of Totalitarianism is correct as China was still a communist last time I checked. m