New in this release:
- easier access to predefined templates
- templates can be customised
- minor bugfixes.
Get it from http://abcplus.sourceforge.net/#JedABC and enjoy.
Preconfigured packages for Windows are available.
Later,
Guido =8-)
--
Guido Gonzato, Ph.D. - Linux System Manage
Thanks Phil,
>From reading the draft I assumed it would have to be "D," since there is
no mention of the note pitches changing depending on the clef.
- Jaysen
=
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phil Taylor)
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
16/07/2003 07:39 PM
Please respond to abcusers
To:
>From my high-school wind ensemble days I gather this convention applies
only to the French Horn. Trumpets and other brass used key signatures.
- Jaysen
===
John Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
17/07/2003 06:55 AM
Please respond to abcusers
To:
>I don't know if whatI'm about to suggest has been suggested
before,/.../
> it's fairly clear to me that the real key to
>writing any new specification is adding some identifier that says
that the tune
>conforms to the new specification. For example, maybe something
like:
>
>%%ABC3.0
>
>...anywh
>I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing
tunes
>- I use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce
top
>quality printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the
abc2ps's ??
I think jcabc2ps was not targeted in the list of the bad
applications, of co
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:10:20PM -0400, Laura Conrad wrote:
> > "Richard" == Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>
> Richard> What I do is take all the text out of the abc tune, use
> Richard> the usual abc2ps suspects to generate an eps of the bare
> Richard> tune (w
Bernard Hill writes:
| In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
| >flats you find at the start of the staff; "global accidentals" are
| >accidentals applied to notes throughout the music. (Does anybody ever use
| >these?)
|
| French Horn parts (and maybe brass in general) in orches
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:15:37PM -0400, Arbo R Doughty wrote:
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> "Richard" == Richard Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Richard> What I do is take all the text out of the abc tune, use
Richard> the usual abc2ps suspects to generate an eps of the bare
Richard> tune (with no text), have LaTeX set the title and any
Richard> other abc-tune
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Walsh
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Bernard Hill writes:
>
>>> Surely a performer wants to know what the writer meant? And lack of
>>> repeat starts means there is no information as to how the tune was
>>> to be played, eg whether the whole tune repeated or just t
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
>John Chambers wrote -
>
>>I've also found the phrase "explicit key signature" more useful than
>>"global accidentals", though I don't suppose that's a real big deal.
>
>These seem to me to be two separate things. Whem converted to conventio
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On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:41:51PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:25:14PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> > > > > For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation,
> > > > > one can use already several excellent packages
> > > > >
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, John Walsh wrote:
> The "@ foo" looks useful. Can it place things
> relative to a note on the staff? (As do "> foo" and
> "< foo"?)
The draft standard says:
<< Using the @ symbol leaves the exact placing of the
string to the discretion of the interpreting program
>>
To subs
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I have enjoyed the information, learned a lot, and am now better informed with ABC,
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using it with my two sons, who "fiddle" on violin and cello. The volume of mail and the
level of technical specificity is more than I need at thi
> "Richard" == Richard Robinson
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> > Ah, but I didn't mean TeX formatting of the musical
>> > notation. I meant, how to get typesetting of text that
>> > surrounds abc, how to handle the mixing of text and tunes -
>> > placing abc tunes on a sh
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:25:14PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> > > > For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation,
> > > > one can use already several excellent packages
> > > > such as MTX, PMX and Lilypond. These are all
> > > > actively maintaine
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:26:21PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
>
> > Or software that can read from standard input and has access to perl
> > is very welcome to use abc-cat as a preprocessor
> > (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Inof/RRTuneBk/abcscripts)
>
This response is a little late---I'm still re-installing things
after a crash, and am just getting around to the abc programs.
Irwin Oppenheim writes:
>> The problem---or one of the problems---is simply that this isn't
>> good enough when you care how the output looks. (Not to menti
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 09:25:14PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
>
> > > For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation,
> > > one can use already several excellent packages
> > > such as MTX, PMX and Lilypond. These are all
> > > actively maintained.
> >
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Or software that can read from standard input and has access to perl
> is very welcome to use abc-cat as a preprocessor
> (http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Inof/RRTuneBk/abcscripts)
Got this error:
Sorry!
The document you tried to access cannot be foun
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Richard Robinson wrote:
> > For lowlevel TeX formatting of music notation,
> > one can use already several excellent packages
> > such as MTX, PMX and Lilypond. These are all
> > actively maintained.
>
> Ah, but I didn't mean TeX formatting of the musical notation. I meant,
>
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:57:39PM +, John Chambers wrote:
> Richard Robinson writes:
> |
> | Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as
> | (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever.
>
> ...
>
> Not that I use Q: lines much. In fact, it's often more useful to just
Jack Campin writes:
| > Consider the D-Ahavoh Rabboh mode, common in Klezmer. [...]
|
| You're missing the point. John was talking about the difference
| between writing such scales as an explicit key signature at the
| start (as is usually done these days for Turkish music) and
| taking some majo
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 07:41:43PM +0200, I. Oppenheim wrote:
> > The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text
> > constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes
> > together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh
> > dear, have I just started anot
Richard Robinson writes:
|
| Yes. Also all those Balkan ones, where it would be nice to write 7 as
| (4+3)/4, 18 as (4+3+3+4+4)/8, or whatever.
Actually, abc2ps and clones should handle this without any problem.
I've done this (with or without parens) in a number of tunes. The one
qualification
> The TeX-ness of it makes for many possibilities that the %%text
> constructions can't get near, in terms of setting text and tunes
> together on a page. (nor would we want them too, I reckon. Oh
> dear, have I just started another 6-month thread ?). My feeling about
> this is that abc and typeset
>> What makes them hard to use is that you'd only do
>> this if you had (a) figured out what the correct mode
>> of the tune was, having gone right through it to see
>> what pitches occurred, and (b) decided not to write
>> it that way.
> Jack, that's not true. There are a lot of tunes that
> canno
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 04:34:00PM +, John Chambers wrote:
> Richard Robinson writes:
> |
> | Heh heh. How about player programs ?
>
> Yeah. I think that the best approach for them is to just play the
> note lengths that they find, and not worry about it. There is
> "unmeasured" ab
Irwin Oppenheim wrote -
>I honestly think that all ABC users have had (and still
>have!) a fair opportunity to participate in the
>standardization process and to react on the various
>proposals.
I hope you are right. Guido invites feedback from everybody which makes his
assertion that "the stand
From: "John Chambers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [abcusers] abc2win vs. ABC...
> Jon Freeman writes:
> | There are good programs in the abc2ps group. The program Guido had
singled
> | out was abc2ps. This doesn't work too well
John Chambers wrote -
>Why is it that I feel this powerful urge to take 10 minutes
>to implement this? Someone please stop me! ...
No! Don't stop. Do it NOW while the urge is upon you.
Bryan Creer
(Gets a bit tricky if you're transposing the tune.)
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Richard Robinson writes:
| On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote:
| >
| > I also have a small "zweifacher" collection, trad Bavarian
| > music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine
| > job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the
| > demented
Jon Freeman writes:
| From: "Iain (Jethro) Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
|
| > I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| > use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| > printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 03:13:04PM +, John Chambers wrote:
>
> I also have a small "zweifacher" collection, trad Bavarian
> music with its jumble of meters. The old abc2ps does a fine
> job with it in any of the usual forms. It even handles the
> demented "M:23/44" time signatures that you
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 02:52:28PM +, John Chambers wrote:
> Jethro writes:
> | I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
> | use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
> | printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc
Hi!
I've been following the list for only a short while now (joined it because
I'm considering writing a completely new ABC program using
Cocoa/GnuStep/Objective C), and have been following the discussion of how to
approach a new version of the standard with interest. I don't know if what
I'm ab
Guido Gonzato writes:
| On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote:
|
| > I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| > use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| > printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 11:07:51AM +0100, Jack Campin wrote:
> >> Given that ABC is text-line-based, *can* a program go straight to a
> >> tune, random-access-like, without having read all the intervening lines?
> > random-access-"like"... yes, it's possible. My JedABC has an index mode
> > that do
Jethro writes:
| I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
| use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
| printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
| like to use software that does one job - but does it ver
Jack Campin writes:
| >Bryan wrote:
| >| K:^f^c=g tonic=A mode=mixolydian
| >|which seems much clearer to me.
| >
| >I replied:
| > If we were designing abc from scratch, I'd agree. ...
|
| ... If Bryan's verbose alternative were available I'd use it every time.
I keep thinking that this
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:39:14AM +0100, Phil Taylor wrote:
>
> >construct a new situation. It's where we've always been. Maybe it would
> >be necessary (maybe it would be an improvement) to tell a program
> >explicitly whether a user wanted to read abc2win or standard.
>
> That's what I'm doing
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 05:03:25AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Richard Robinson wrote -
>
> >abc2win introduced constructs, out of the blue,
> >that the abc->ps family have never _been_ able to read.
>
> I really wish I understood this hate campaign against abc2win.
If I'm running a "camp
Guido Gonzato said,
> And about those broken old ABC files, I remind
> you that abcpp can fix most of them!
and
> using abcpp I've fixed lots of legacy ABC files. It would be nice if there
> were a web-based "translation service" based on abcpp. I have no
> experience on writing web applets; any
On Wed, Jul 16, 2003 at 10:28:59AM +0100, David Webber wrote:
>
> From: "Richard Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > Hear here !
> > (I'm never quite sure which that should be)
>
> Hear! hear! - you are inviting speople to listen to what somone has
> just said. :-)
... to what someone at this
From: "Iain (Jethro) Anderson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
> use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
> printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
> like to use softwar
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, [iso-8859-1] Forgeot Eric wrote:
> I guess it's quite easy, sitting confortable behind
> my computer without knowing how to program, to find a
> "solution" for a programming problem. Sorry if it's
> not easy to code, I don't know at all about this
> issue, but it seems it coul
>masochistic altruist who will go back and remove all the
line-break !s
>from all the tune files created with abc2win over the last eight
years or so which
>might annoy
I guess it's quite easy, sitting confortable behind my computer
without knowing how to program, to find a "solution" for a
pro
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I find this rather alarming. If other developers do
> not have a fair opportunity to participate why should
> they take part?
I honestly think that all ABC users have had (and still
have!) a fair opportunity to participate in the
standardization proc
Guido Gonzato wrote -
>abcm2ps is one of my favourite pieces of software _ever_.
>In my view, it's so good and well thought-out that the standard should
>follow it closely.
Taken together with his earlier comment that -
>other applications will have better try and follow the new standard for
>t
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Phil Taylor wrote:
> So plan B was to first locate each in-tune fields and substitute [
> for the preceding newline and ] for the following newline before doing
> plan A.
The best thing would be to write a parser that
recognizes header fields wherever they appear in the
file,
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
> What makes them hard to use is that you'd only do
> this if you had (a) figured out what the correct mode
> of the tune was, having gone right through it to see
> what pitches occurred, and (b) decided not to write
> it that way.
Jack, that's not true. Th
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Iain (Jethro) Anderson wrote:
> I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
> use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
> printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
> like to use soft
I use this abc for obtaining, sending, transcribing and printing tunes - I
use emacs/xemacs as editor with abc-mode and then to produce top quality
printed music I use jcabc2ps - what is *wrong* with the abc2ps's ?? - I
like to use software that does one job - but does it very, very well.
Grump
>|> I've also found the phrase "explicit key signature" more useful than
>|> "global accidentals", though I don't suppose that's a real big deal.
>| These seem to me to be two separate things. Whem converted to
>| conventional notation, an "explicit key signature" is the collection
>| of sharps, n
>> Given that ABC is text-line-based, *can* a program go straight to a
>> tune, random-access-like, without having read all the intervening lines?
> random-access-"like"... yes, it's possible. My JedABC has an index mode
> that does what you want; so does BarFly in "Split Screen Mode".
But BarFly
Bryan Creer wrote:
I really wish I understood this
hate campaign against abc2win. On his website, Jim Vint credits a great
many people who gave him support some of whom are still active on this list)
so he didn't work in isolation. Many developers have introduced their
innovatio
From: "Richard Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Hear here !
> (I'm never quite sure which that should be)
Hear! hear! - you are inviting speople to listen to what somone has
just said. :-)
Dave
David Webber
Author of MOZART the music processor for Windows -
http://www.mozart.co.uk
Member of th
Richard Robinson wrote:
>What programs are currently capable of reading abc2win output, as is ?
>BarFly, I guess, since you're saying this.
Sort of. All it does at present is just ignore the exclamation marks.
In many cases abc2win files are laid out in a reasonable fashion,
with the bangs only
Jaysen Ollerenshaw wrote:
>Ah... found it in the draft spec as an optional part of the key field.
>Thanks anyway.
There's one thing to look out for here Jaysen, and that is that there
are two different ways in which programs handle clefs other than the
treble clef; the difference lies in the int
From: "Guido Gonzato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> That said, programs don't necessarily have to comply to 1.7.6 or 2.0.0 or
> 3.1415. Many users are happy with single-voice ABC, so programs targeting
> these users may be left untouched. But what about we classical musicians,
> who need more? What's more
Richard Robinson wrote -
>abc2win introduced constructs, out of the blue,
>that the abc->ps family have never _been_ able to read.
I really wish I understood this hate campaign against abc2win. On his website, Jim Vint credits a great many people who gave him support some of whom are still activ
On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 11:50:40PM +, John Chambers wrote:
> (Has anyone written any musical parodies in abc yet? Aside from the
> good old 4'33", that is.)
I wrote an arrangement of "The Morning Star" (from O'Neill) for string
quartet using ABC, but I'm not sure that's the kind of thing you
On Wed, 16 Jul 2003, Guido Gonzato wrote:
> using abcpp I've fixed lots of legacy ABC files. It
> would be nice if there were a web-based "translation
> service" based on abcpp. I have no experience on
> writing web applets; any hints?
It's almost trivial if you use PHP.
Setup two files in your
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