Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

That would be cool Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 10:46 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Ok. Got it. I've also at one time or another thought that it would be neat to do it the other way for M

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Ok. Got it. I've also at one time or another thought that it would be neat to do it the other way for MTU settings. One radio on the roof, plugged into an ethernet switch and the whole thing powered from PoE from each tenant where only one tenant needed to have their poe plugged in to power on t

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

I was talking about powering 1 CPE and 1 AP with 1 POE for micro pops — Sent from Mailbox On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: > 150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5. > Each wire is rated at .577 amps. Ignoring other concerns, this means at > 48V,

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Are you talking about powering multiple radios from one PoE feed below, or multiple CPE's powering one radio? -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:11 PM, TJ Trout via Af wrote: > I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's > a 3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru et

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

150W is pretty hard to deliver via CAT5. Each wire is rated at .577 amps. Ignoring other concerns, this means at 48V, you get about 25 watts with a bit of margin, per wire. If you are sending the power up on two pairs, and returning it on the other two, this means you only have about 100W total

[AFMUG] who is the contact for the email list and adding members now?

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[AFMUG] Centurylink transport costs

Does anyone have transport through Centurylink at all? Not internet but just transport to a datacenter to pick up bandwidth. I have a bandwidth broker checking pricing for me but he believes we can get 1Gbps of transport for $1,500-1,800 on a 3-year contract. Anyone else use them and have pricing

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

I'm assuming you mean the original idea, not the idea presented in the message you replied to ;) Yes, it occured to me that this might be a business-install type of product where you're more worried about uptime and availability instead of every penny of cost. Do you have any idea how many busine

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

I’ve always had a grip about a device of this type. We run a wireless company as well as a fttx company and the one thing I can say about the fttx (goon) vendors is they gave done a really good job about giving the ONT’s really great intelligence , I wish the wireless vendors would take a page

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

This is the best idea I've ever heard for a WISP business invention. I LOVE the idea. It would be really hard to justify the cost on customer installs. I could see maybe bundling it into every business install. It also becomes one more reason why our business installs are better. We could powe

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

I would be interested in a device that's wall mount or tower mount that's a 3 or 4 port poe powered, poe pass thru ethernet switch, bonus for selectable polarity output. Double bonus for gigabit! On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:10 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > Forrest, > > If the device was really really nic

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Forrest, If the device was really really nice, had everything I talked about and maybe even wifi AP I would buy a few @ $500, $250 is more where I think it would be plausible. We would buy maybe 5 @ 250, obviously not a high volume thing. Updates, free would be nice but I wouldn't mind spending $5

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Exalt ExtremeAir Radios draw 135watt average over PoE. Telrad Radios we use draw up to 150watt but usually around 120ish. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 On 10/05/2014 04:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President A

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

There are some licensed ones out there which approach that. But generally they're not powered via PoE. The highest I can point to quickly is in the <80W category for single radio configurations. I swear I've seen one at 110W, but most of the licensed units I'm looking at quickly are around 80W.

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Hungry ones? :) Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 03:55 PM, Gino Villarini via Af wrote: What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: "

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

What radio needs 150w? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Sunday, October 5, 2014 at 7:14 PM To: "a

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

A cap that keeps ants/worms on of SM for tree installs would be nice — Sent from Mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:45 PM, That One Guy via Af wrote: > then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars in > surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental c

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

then youre already putting in 5-20 dollars worth of cable, 20-35 dollars in surge protection. 5-15 dollars in mounting hardware in incidental costs aside from the CPE there isnt really much breathing room for residential 29-39 dollar connections. Especially in cases like us who eat the CPE cost. Th

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This might be doable. My main concern is where to set the cost so that (quantity sold) * (price per unit) > (cost to develop and manufacture said quantity). Or if that condition is even achievable. Are you envisioning the audio to come from the radio ... I.E. on canopy plug into that second alig

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

The problem is that 10/100+Passive PoE needs all 8 wires, typically - 2 pairs for data + 2 pairs for power. So simple splitting isn't going to get you very far. You could probably put an adapter both ends and do some sort of 10/100+PoE on 2 pair and convert it back to 4 pair. But then you're li

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

No switching needed DIY would be to use 3 wire scotch locks on all wires at the top then you would have 2 ends at top and 1 end at bottom as I'm typing this I'm realizing the issues doing it that way but you can figure it out I'm sure.. — Sent from Mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Mark R

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

I've yet to see this on outgoing. Regards, Chuck On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > Yeah, I’m just saying ISPs that provide 25M, 100M, 1000M connections to > the home, especially symmetric ones, will need plans to deal with customers > who are maxing out their upstream

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

I'm still looking for a rugged portable rechargeable power supply with a built in speaker and wifi AP for the installers to use to power and aim CPE. We cobble stuff up with rechargeable flashlights and electrical tape.  It's not pretty.   I would buy multiple units if the price is <$200. Ma

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

This is actually in the category of what I'm expending a fair bit of R&D on right now. The challenge comes cost. 150watt per port is very expensive to do when factoring in the DC-DC conversion. 20W is easy. 50W is a bit harder. 150W gets very expensive quickly. As a result, I'm thinking so

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

Honestly, a RB2011 fills that niche pretty well. Lock the LCD to display only WAN bandwidth, and disable the touchscreen. Techs can log into the RB2011 with the admin credentials and check on the wireless clients, interface errors, run speed tests (tcp) to the headend of your network, etc. $5/

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

How would this work? You mean something like a 3 port ethernet switch? I.E. for a radio and a AP? Trying to understand the use and logic here... -forrest On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:06 PM, timothy steele via Af wrote: > Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Forrest, That item at the bottom of your list -- Netonix is working on something like that as well, after their shed/top-tower product. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 12:19 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account)

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Hmm.. your first suggestion sounds oddly familar. Some of the next two are in the works. Nothing ready to announce in this public of forum. But think tower-side control. And more i/o types. The last four... well, now those would be popular, wouldn't they? On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Chuc

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Somthing easy to make that gets asked for on the list I noticed would be a POE Y cable that would allow you to put 2 radios on a customers house/tower with only 1 cable going into the house — Sent from Mailbox On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Chuck McCown via Af wrote: > How about an all-in-on

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

How about an all-in-one tower device which includes some mixture of ac power supply, dc-dc conversion, battery charging/management, Ethernet switch, router, power injection with fiber conversion. Seriously, I would think that if you adopted some of features RMS has that you do not have it co

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Let's talk about the first one, which I agree would be cool. My gut feeling is that by the time I priced this correctly - meaning to have a fairly high likelihood of recovering R&D and production costs we'd be in the neighborhood of around $500. If we limited the functionality to just some sort o

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Aw cool, the 2-relay/3-switch module! That complements the 3-shunt/3-volt module perfectly for the Traco DC-UPS setup. I always prefer to have medium and larger site's power, PoE and switch/router equipment modular. Just easier to replace a failed component than the entire thing. But for remot

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

That was one of the three vendors that I was counting when I said there were already three vendors I know of in that space. On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Paul McCall via Af wrote: > Why not use a Mikrotik router with the POE out option ? > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Be

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

Why not use a Mikrotik router with the POE out option ? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:44 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity That's sort of the thought process I was headed

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

That's sort of the thought process I was headed towards. With my preference to not entering that already way too crowded market. There are already three vendors in that space, and I don't feel like trying to compete with the vendors that have way more volume than I could attain. On Sun, Oct 5,

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

That's sort of the thought process I was headed towards. With my preference to not entering that already way too crowded market. There are already three vendors that I know of in that space, and I don't feel like trying to compete with the vendors that have way more volume than I could attain.

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

The only way to make this price doable is if it is a router too like Netonix's new device. Keefe On 10/5/2014 4:08 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af wrote: Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

I guess the other question I should have asked is "If $75 isn't doable, what price target do I have to meet to make it doable?". I don't have a straightforward way to get below the $75 price today, but I don't really even have a idea what the ideal target price would be. I've also considered addi

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

You also have to contend with the fact that a good portion of these features as well as many others can be had with a Tik. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

Chris Sisler - RF Armor has/is creating a Customer AP with POE built-in but it doesn't have a display as far as I know to show status or anything like that. He is working on getting out the Tower/WISP switches first I think and then the Customer AP. http://www.netonix.com/cap-fxs-1.html On Sun, O

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

I would love to find a router that has poe output and all of the diagnostic features you mentioned. It would be nice if the customer could just look at the router to see the status of the connection up down or otherwise. On Oct 5, 2014 2:13 PM, "Chris Fabien via Af" wrote: > I'd say you are corre

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

Love the sounds of it but we wouldn't be able to eat the cost for every new customers because right now, it is easy enough for us to run speedtests through our CPE antenna on the roof. After that, we can at least see if the router is negotiating at 100mb or 10mb which would indicate a wiring proble

Re: [AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

I'd say you are correct. Would love to have the functionality but even at $75 I couldn't justify the cost. On Oct 5, 2014 5:08 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account) via Af" < af@afmug.com> wrote: > Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for > a product which at leas

[AFMUG] Customer install cost sensitivity

Following up on the previous email about product ideas, I have an idea for a product which at least I think would be really cool, but I also think would likely be a big flop, just because of the apparent cost sensitivity of installs. It seems to me that it would be nice to replace the power inject

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

I would really like to see a installation device that has a LCD and speaker and headphone jack, has it's own internal lithium battery with poe output AND lan port for a laptop, can speak SNMP or http or whatever with Ubiquiti and Canopy/Epmp and allows you to do basic configuration in the field and

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

The ctm2 covers most of this Sent from Marconi's and Graham Bell's fused thoughts!!! > On Oct 5, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Matt Jenkins via Af wrote: > > Our infrastructure sites look like this: > > Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel > -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules > -> PoE Inje

Re: [AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

Our infrastructure sites look like this: Shielded Cables -> 8 or 24port shielded patch panel -> APC PRM24 with WB Surge Modules -> PoE Injectors -> Switch / Router PoE Injectors are attached to a Masterswitch. I know this probably is not feasible but What I would REALLY like is an active

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

Yeah we ordered and use them. So far I haven't found anything better that has a rack mount for the size. The only thing I dislike is the fan placement. Its front and center in the door so it blocks some of the useable rack space. Matthew Jenkins SmarterBroadband m...@sbbinc.net 530.272.4000 O

[AFMUG] PacketFlux Product Ideas

It's been (quite) a while since I sent one of these messages out to the list. With the release of all of our new gigabit injectors, it is time for me to decide which products will be next out the door at PacketFlux. We've got several products at various stages of completion, but almost all of the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Yeah, I’m just saying ISPs that provide 25M, 100M, 1000M connections to the home, especially symmetric ones, will need plans to deal with customers who are maxing out their upstream bandwidth with malicious traffic (probably without knowing it). Sure, you can stream 8K video of your cats to the

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Maybe, but those home routers are just as easily exploited and are hard-wired. Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com On 10/05/2014 06:53 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: Something I’m not sure ISPs have faced up to, is that home PCs are

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Agreed.Dreamlike. ___ Mangled by my iPhone. ___ Tyler Treat Corn Belt Technologies, Inc. tyler.tr...@cornbelttech.com ___ On Oct 5, 2014, at 2:23 PM, Travis Johnson via Af mailto:a

Re: [AFMUG] update an old ubuntu server

That’s very surprising. My experience is pretty much any Linux distribution on pretty much any hardware can easily run a DNS server and the CPU won’t break a sweat, also a DNS server should not care much about HDD capacity/performance since most operations will be RAM based. I have 10 year old

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

Wow... you are in a very "noncompetitve" market. My surrounding area has CableOne (even into the small communities of 500 people) and they are doing 50Mbps x 10Mbps for $35/month for the first 6 months, then it goes up to $50/month. Most people claim to get 30-40Mbps any time they run a speed t

Re: [AFMUG] update an old ubuntu server

Take a look at this https://www.debian.org/releases/wheezy/i386/ch02s01.html.en Other Os's have similar pages. I prefer debian for my DNS systems because there isnt much bloated front end apps that get auto loaded with a downloaded image. Also, I find it easier to tailor for specifics for the

Re: [AFMUG] update an old ubuntu server

I don't see what processor has to do with it, a bare Debian 7.x CLI-only install will run just a well on an old system as an ancient version of Debian I have several virtual machines with debian and relatively restricted CPU power, only 128MB or 256MB of RAM, serving as nameservers. Runs just

Re: [AFMUG] Enclosure with Rack (Bison Profab - Quotation #10928)

Hey Matt, Did you get these enclosures ordered at all and have pictures? What do you think? Are they the best priced you could find the those dimensions? I'm looking as well and everything seems so expensive. On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 2:49 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote: > Here is the price for quantity

Re: [AFMUG] valuing a pay increase

I would think Jab qualifies as "one of those larger companies" that Ken referenced. Speaking from running a small company, those other metrics make a lot of sense. * would the company fall apart without having you there? * could we hire someone to replace you in a few weeks? (recently happened)

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

We have Jab in our area too but our prices are $10.00 less than that with no fine print. ;) It is working very well for us so far. On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > Everyone seems to expect our prices will go down, it’s the Internet > after all, everything is suppose

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Something I’m not sure ISPs have faced up to, is that home PCs are starting to have good enough Internet connections to be valuable as bots. Bad guys used to target those Linux servers partly because they were at datacenters with lots of upstream bandwidth. But you don’t need a lot of home PCs

Re: [AFMUG] Source for 6 gauge grounding wire and ends

The Andrew grounding kits usually have a few extras in parts bag. Greybar carries stuff as well Jaime Solorza On Oct 3, 2014 7:41 PM, "David Milholen via Af" wrote: > Any electrical warehouse should have it. > Greybar,Irby, wholesale elec > > On 10/3/2014 2:22 PM, Josh Luthman via Af wrote: >

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Yeah probably not even 1% … Mac’s are no more immune than Linux is … speaking of, I’m amazed by how many linux admin’s don’t keep their systems patched. That number is hacked linux servers is way way higher than 1% I would be confident….. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Apple http://youtu.be/Dme81JEnoqw Sure it says Viruses instead of Botnet… but to an uninformed consumer all of that stuff is the same isn’t it (and I’m really talking about anyone outside the IT/Telecommunications industry without the tech background). Daniel White | Managing Direc

Re: [AFMUG] OT - Mac based botnet

Who said Macs were immune? 17k is hardly cause for panic. What is that, less than 1% affected? On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Ken Hohhof via Af wrote: > So much for the belief that Macs are immune to malware. > > http://arstechnica.com/security/2014/10/reddit-powered-botnet-infected- > thousand

Re: [AFMUG] How frequently have you had a price increase?

768k for video stream? I thought that would only do the lowest quality Netflix and that's talking 5 years ago — Sent from Mailbox On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:32 PM, David Milholen via Af wrote: > We had no choice after deploying the 450 and offering up a handful of > capacity for a competitive