Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

No argument, we created a mess in Iran and then instead of cleaning that up, we tried to use another evil guy to balance them out. It works for a while until one of them steps over the line. In the meantime, these regimes killed millions of people and we watched it happen and tried to play

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

??? The people of Japan of the pre-war era were raised to believe the Emperor was a god. You don't get any more indoctrinated than that. Meanwhile, the bulk of the German population was under a propaganda machine (not unlike what FOX does, its just a matter of degrees) that had nice people

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Good points Patrick and Faisal... Let me guess ...both of you have travelled all over. I have been fortunate to travel and work with many international folks throughout my life. Best thing my dad taught besides us jujitsu was to learn and respect other cultures. He advised us to learn more

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

When I was interviewed by Tornillo superintendent for my old IT gig he asked me what triggered WWI...I replied ..it took off after the duke was assassinated .he was impressed that I focused on trigger and not all the other underlying things at play. All this reminds me of an interview Dick

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

We installed a dictator and we let him act like a dictator. In Iraq, we installed a Democracy but we left it in the hands of ideologues. We also alienated the military and just dumped everyone out. If we do it right, Democracy thrives, we have a Middle Eastern ally and we hold influence

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Tomato, Tomahto with regards to a dictator/installed democracy. democracy must come from within, forcing democracy is well...very un democratic lol. -sean On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:25 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: > We installed a dictator and we let him act like a

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

And which leader got us into Iraq and broke the status quo? Hussien was a tyrant but no iSIS then..we never should have gone into Iraq the 2nd time around. I know Cruz and others are blaming Obama for everything. He said ISiS not getting any more real estate in Iraq and Syria. But you sound

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Actually, the vast majority of them are uneducated unless you were part of the ruling class. It’s why we had such a hard time recruiting fighters in Afghanistan, most of them couldn’t even read or write. Handing them a complicated weapon system was out of the question. Now it’s a matter of

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

"Unfortunately, when you add in the millions who are now homeless, displaced, and dead, because our governmental leaders, and by extension, the voters that put them in power" Lets be clear. Nothing we vote for over here is the PRIMARY cause of what goes on over there. No doubt we have

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Patrick, you are correct in that indoctrination in Japan except that the Emperor was a real person who could make decisions, not some ethereal being whose beliefs could be interpreted or twisted to fit some ideological or power hungry need. Germany was also better educated that much of the

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Yes, but you are forgetting the little fact. Germany and Japan were 'easier' to change because they were both 'Kingdoms', so the argument of Democracy is a better way was sell-able(sorry if I am making words here). In the Middle East, we come across as talking from both sides of our

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

i would much prefer the "scandals" of both the Clinton and Obama administrations combined than the $#!T storm that Bush 43 created lol and Rory if you truly believe that FOX is fair and balanced then I have some AMAZING beach front property in Arizona for ya...real cheep too ;-) 2 cents On

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

In the end, everyone on this list wants the same thing. Peace. Another good book to read is “The Looming Tower”. It explains how we got an Egyptian religious scholar being insulted by a girl (in Colorado if I remember correctly perhaps in the 1950s) directly to 9-11. Truly “butterfly

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Please tell me you are not saying ISIS ranks are filled with poor Hazaras and Peshmerga Afghans. Patrick On Nov 16, 2015 6:31 PM, Rory Conaway wrote: Actually, the vast majority of them are uneducated unless you were part of the ruling class. It’s why we had such a

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

It's easy to second guess Kissinger and his ilk, but you have to remember that the Cold War was going on. Making friends with nasty people so that they didn't side with the Soviet Union is a bit more understandable in that light. Jeff Broadwick ConVergence Technologies, Inc. 312-205-2519

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I just heard an analysis of the ISIS thing on NPR. Something to do with the Army of Rome and wanting to trigger a grand apocalypse. They think if they can attract a bunch of nations with boots on the ground they can foster the end times. (I may have this wrong, I think that is what they were

Re: [AFMUG] MikroTik Tools for Mac

No problem here running it on Yosemite. -Ty -Ty On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote: > Interesting… I hope this is something of a unique issue... > > Sincerely, > Joshaven Potter > MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, UACA > Google Hangouts:

Re: [AFMUG] Wireless Power

we would currently be receiving all our power wirelessly if Tesla had his way. Unfortunately westinghouse couldn't figure out how to meter and charge for electrons if people were getting them for free over the air. they decided it'd be a better business model to run copper wire everywhere and

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Sean, I’d love to take the bait but I can’t even think of something smarmy to say with the devastation in Paris hours after our President says that ISIS was contained. It’s a very sad moment. Unfortunately, when you add in the millions who are now homeless, displaced, and dead, because our

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Rory, we already tried that strategy with Iran...the puppet government that we instilled for over a generation was overthrown and we now have an Iran that is governed as a theocratic Islamic republic :-/ 2 cents -sean On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 4:11 PM, Rory Conaway

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

What they did 500 years ago has no bearing on their population today is comprised of. For example, the vast majority of immigrants from Mexico today barely have a high school education which means they have a hard time competing in the U.S. in the technology sector and end up on some type of

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

"If we do it right, Democracy thrives..." The ultimate in wishful and naive thinking, the thought that every country can (or even wants to) have a government like ours. Never mind there's not a shred of evidence for this in the entire recorded history of the Middle East...but hey, it fits your

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I am not saying he wouldn't have still said it, just that non violence only works in the "civilized" world. The Brits wouldn't stand by while they read about their government massacring hundreds of peaceful Indians You really should study history.How the British treated Indians, and Africans

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Thanks Faisal. Having originated the thread, I'm all for such a positive ending. Peace be with you Patrick On Nov 16, 2015 10:48 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: I think we should put this to bed, we are not going to solve the world's problems in this thread... May I take

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

The opinions from the list were about evenly divided, so I burned DVDs of both and flipped a coin which came up 7. So far I don’t see what all the complaints are about. Installation was a little different. systemctl is a little different. Ethernet port names are a little different. Not the

[AFMUG] all you can eat, not all y'all can eat

Somehow this seems relevant to sharing your unlimited Internet. (watch video) http://wgntv.com/2015/11/13/irate-customer-arrested-after-sharing-all-you-can-eat-pancakes/

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

amen... Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Thanks Faisal. Having originated the thread, I'm all for such a positive > ending. > > Peace be with you > > Patrick > On Nov 16, 2015 10:48 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] QoS with PPPoE? Where does PPPoE upstream queue reside?

The PPPoE is just a tunnel interface that works like any other interface in regards to QoS. If your PPPoE is speed limited then your using some queue to limit it. You can provide QoS from either or both ends but that still doesn’t give your radio that ability to make per packet level

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I know that part about weapons because my sons squad was tasked with training them. They never gave them loaded weapons or advanced ones. He said many couldn't read but were smart. Picking up training well. The terrorists knew how to make IEDs and circumvent some of our systemsnever

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

See comments inline:- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet & Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net > From: "Lewis Bergman" > To: "Animal Farm" > Sent:

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Changing a country is possible, we did it in Germany and Japan. In the Middle East, it is possible, it just takes a lot more effort and time. You have to change the mind-set of the country, not just it’s leaders. And if you fail, you try something different the second time and do it again.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

The barn door was left wide open on that one. Patrick Leary Telrad On Nov 16, 2015 5:54 PM, Sean Heskett wrote: yes it is usually very hard to argue logic with republicans ;-) "It’s very hard to argue logic with people who are uneducated, poor, and have been indoctrinated

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Wow, does the name Gruber mean anything? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 5:04 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français The barn door was left wide open on that one.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Wow Wow...Wow Ok, here goes My grandfather was one of the researchers working on inventing the Diode, he had a few of his research papers published by the IEEE they were known as Institute of Radio and Electrical Engineers ... this is back in the 40's not 500 hundred years ago.

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I remember my college days when I was teaching at UTEP. I had Iranians students in my classes (actually lots of international students) ...good engineering school... Anyways some of them started protesting on campus against the Shah in late 70s. They would stage peaceful protests outside

Re: [AFMUG] MikroTik Tools for Mac

I just use winebottler and make my own when a new one comes out. it is ~500MB when created but it works fine. ryan On 11/16/15 3:53 PM, Joshaven Mailing Lists wrote: As far as I know both versions should work on Snow Leopard… If you get info as to compatibility that I should throw on the

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Patrick, that is where your cynical nature is completely wrong and very sad that you accept the status quo instead of taking a stand. If what you say is true, we never would have had the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the millions of soldiers that have died to protect these beliefs.

Re: [AFMUG] QoS with PPPoE? Where does PPPoE upstream queue reside?

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm one of the those guys who cannot get his own service. My only option is Verizon DSL. I've used a handful of devices to run various priorities on my upload (rated at 768 Kbps), but I find I have to typically limit around 650 Kbps to get good results. I

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Yes. From your mouth to God's ear On Nov 16, 2015 7:16 PM, "Patrick Leary" wrote: > Jesuits and a dad line that. Now I understand so much more the "why" about > you. Great stuff. One day Jaime we"ll have that drink. > > Patrick Leary > Telrad > On Nov 16, 2015 7:38 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

What we can become "again"... What time shall we go back to? Only a lily white guy pines for lost days of yore and Norman Rockwell paintings. Your idyllic days were to someone else abject hell. I prefer knowledge, reason, rationality, not myths or chest-thumping jingoism. Patrick On Nov 16,

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Where's the unsubscribe-from-thread button?

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I think it's about time we let this thread die... On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 9:37 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Where's the unsubscribe-from-thread button? >

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

I think we should put this to bed, we are not going to solve the world's problems in this thread... May I take the liberty to end this with a reminder that the original email, as the title requested, was asking for prayers for our brethren in France. I request that we all take a few min, and

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

"...lost our moral compass..." Another silly pollyanna comment. We never had one. We are just a country with our own interests and we do and have always done things that only propaganda calls moral. This includes every presidency. Exactly how far would you like me to go to give proof? Patrick

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

It's pretty hard to argue that isn't true if you know much about history... perhaps that's why they don't teach it. On Nov 16, 2015 7:13 PM, "Patrick Leary" wrote: > "...lost our moral compass..." > > Another silly pollyanna comment. We never had one. We are just a

Re: [AFMUG] DC question

It does kind of get into the messy question of where is your single point ground? If it’s at the top, it would be better to run 4 wires, and connect the 24V and 48V return wires at the top to the single point ground. If you have electronics both top and bottom, things get a bit messy. If you

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

...ugh, I mean Peshawari. Patrick Leary Telrad On Nov 16, 2015 7:58 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: Please tell me you are not saying ISIS ranks are filled with poor Hazaras and Peshmerga Afghans. Patrick On Nov 16, 2015 6:31 PM, Rory Conaway wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] QoS with PPPoE? Where does PPPoE upstream queue reside?

Short answer is “yes” you can do that … without knowing what kind of equipment and perhaps a bit more about what you want to prioritize it will a bit vague though …. On the PPPOE session, you can attach a QoS profile on a per subscriber basis. If you want to tag at the far end (customer

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

:-) as the kids say, IKR! Patrick Leary Telrad On Nov 16, 2015 8:37 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: It's pretty hard to argue that isn't true if you know much about history... perhaps that's why they don't teach it. On Nov 16, 2015 7:13 PM, "Patrick Leary"

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Isis is a different than Hezbollah. To start with, ISIS is made up of a lot of Hussein’s military officers. That’s the fault of the United States, period. Had we worked with them instead of simply dismissing them, we would have had a foundation to work from. ISIS also recruits and

Re: [AFMUG] 1000BaseT to SFP media converter watt load

not very accurate, it's good to within about 2W or so. If you put an old 5V 500mA USB phone charger on a kill-a-watt it will show anywhere from 2.5 to 3.5W, but might show 1W idle when the thing is actually consuming only 0.05W when no phone is plugged into it. They're much more accurate for

Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français

Jesuits and a dad line that. Now I understand so much more the "why" about you. Great stuff. One day Jaime we"ll have that drink. Patrick Leary Telrad On Nov 16, 2015 7:38 PM, Jaime Solorza wrote: Good points Patrick and Faisal... Let me guess ...both of you have

Re: [AFMUG] CentOS 6.7 or 7?

It’s like NTFS permissions in the windows world, just worse. It tries to do file level security, but a good number of people go your route and disable it. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth

Re: [AFMUG] OT Politics

Happy birthday On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 9:58 PM Jaime Solorza wrote: > Hey. I am from the 60s. Oh snap I am 60 today... > On Nov 15, 2015 8:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > >> So in the debate, Hillary said she is from the 60s, a long time ago... >> >>

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