[AFMUG] Commisioner Pai is pulling a Trump

2017-02-07 Thread Rory Conaway
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
AWS has intrigued me, they don't follow the normal rules of scale, shedding the lighter, less profitable loads as they grow. They host anything and everything and don't seem to care. It may be they actually follow the rules of scale in volume. Taking everything, even free grammars cookie flat

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
Bacon grease and whatever ibuprofen and whiskey torn into when your kidneys and liver have long since fucked off. That's what's in my heart. And joy On Feb 7, 2017 6:51 PM, "Ken Hohhof" wrote: Blah, blah, blah, Patriots. So still ranting about the Superbowl? Don’t pay

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
Well ok. I didn't say I'd never heard of the cloud or that I didn't know what AWS was. The recent information to me was that AWS is now the majority (56%) of Amazon's profit. That's news as of 2016. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I know there are mechanical methodsgiant flywheels, water reservoirs. I don't know how practical it is at a large scale. -- Original Message -- From: "Bill Prince" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/7/2017 10:00:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Prince
Who is "they" here? In California, the power companies are under orders to add storage capabilities to accommodate intermittent production and avoid the problems of starting/stopping generation stations. bp On 2/7/2017 6:49 PM, Robert wrote: They cannot "Store

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Robert
They cannot "Store Energy" except by the process of not producing it. i.e. turning the consumption down of fuel, or water or whatever is turning the turbines. That does NOT cost them anything except the lost profit of selling it to you. The infrastructure is paid for at construction. Ask

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
AWS has been the largest cloud provider by a large margin for at least half a decade - even picking up those juicy government (CIA even) contracts to boot. I guess I just figured someone involved in IT would know that given their scale *shrug* On Feb 7, 2017 6:48 PM, "Adam Moffett"

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Here's the problem with net metering as I see it: Today, the simplistic net metering rules which were enacted basically require the utility company to take energy from you, "store it" somehow, and then return it to you at no cost to you. So the utility company is stuck with footing the bill for

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Blah, blah, blah, Patriots. So still ranting about the Superbowl? Don’t pay attention to what Steve says, what matters is what he does. Or what’s in his heart? Oh, just wait for the evening news, and Kellyanne will spin it, or maybe Spicer can ‘splain it. Or Pootie or Pence or Bannon.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
Serious question? How would I know information before exposure to said information? -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/7/2017 7:07:05 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? Did you not know that before you read

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
... What in the holy fuck are you talking about? On Feb 7, 2017 6:20 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: they learned their lesson at standing rock, jumping behind that cause that left the environment decimated and the sherriffs having to sift through over 250

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
they learned their lesson at standing rock, jumping behind that cause that left the environment decimated and the sherriffs having to sift through over 250 dumptrucks worth of debris looking for bodies wrapped in canvasses The veteran showing there was sparse in the first place, even less this go

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
Veterans groups are already organizing. I feel this will not go well :( On Feb 7, 2017 5:26 PM, "Chuck McCown" wrote: > I wonder if the Native Americans are going to protest? > > *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 4:23 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com >

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
Did you not know that before you read about it? On Feb 7, 2017 3:24 PM, "Adam Moffett" wrote: > I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, > or any other crap they sell in their store. > It's AWS. Which started out as a side thing they were

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Robert Andrews
What really sucks about this deal is that they claim that they do this so rich people who can afford solar are still contributing to the cost of maintaining the grid instead of transferring that burden to poor people. Cry me a fkn river... They kind of neglect that they are making up more

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Bill Prince
Even if you only put in one or two 1000-count cables in there, there wold be plenty of capacity, and probably enough room to send a crew of three in there to repair any breaks. The other question would be if the path would be useful for internet traffic. Me thinks the better bet would be an

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I wonder if the Native Americans are going to protest? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 4:23 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? I just want to join the ecowarriors to cut that pipeline filled with 600k fiber strands, just to see the

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
I just want to join the ecowarriors to cut that pipeline filled with 600k fiber strands, just to see the look on the techs face when he pulls up for "a quick splice job" On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 4:50 PM, Carl Peterson wrote: > Assuming you could sell it at $50 per

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
At $53/barrel, I’m not sure it pays to extract that heavy Canadian crude oil. Depends on whether the field is already developed and how much processing is needed to extract it. Not like Jed Clampett’s “bubbling crude” where you just scoop it up and sell it and buy a mansion in Beverly Hills.

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Oh, yeah FLA. I was going to just put a vent hood. :-) I guess you'll know when you read the news On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:37 PM Ken Hohhof wrote: > Those are flooded batteries not AGM, right? Kind of an apples-to-oranges > comparison. If they are in a somewhat

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Carl Peterson
Assuming you could sell it at $50 per strand mile, would it be more profitable to transport oil or light? The Keystone pipeline is 30" in diameter and 1744 miles long. At 100% fill ratio thats 698 1" 864 ct ribbon fibers for a total of 603,072 fibers or 1,051,757,568 strand miles. We can't get

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Probably make more money if we distributed beer to the home. BTTH. But what kind of beer. I guess we can stat mux the beer. Have 24 brands in time sequence. Your tap will have a buffer to extract your favorite brand at the same time. What what kind of bandwidth we will have? Does Shannon

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Nate Burke
So you're saying with your system I can get a Maple Syrup Tap in my house? STTH? On 2/7/2017 3:50 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: Maple Data Inc. The sweetest internet on the planet! *From:* Joe Novak *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Maple Data Inc. The sweetest internet on the planet! From: Joe Novak Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? I'd venture to say you may be able to put a bunch of fiber in them and transport maple syrup. I'd invest. On Tue,

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Joe Novak
I'd venture to say you may be able to put a bunch of fiber in them and transport maple syrup. I'd invest. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > Hell no, I gonna stuff them full of fiber. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:43 PM >

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Carl Peterson
It seems like the perfect fit to me. Even at the crazy density of DAS sites they are putting up. they are still going to run out of spectrum. With a DAS on every other corner, 24-30GHz might not cover the entire block but it would offload a whole boatload of traffic and you could add 24-30Ghz

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Hell no, I gonna stuff them full of fiber. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:43 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? Wait for them to build Trump’s 2 oil pipelines and discover Canadian shale oil is too expensive. Buy the pipelines for cents

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Wait for them to build Trump’s 2 oil pipelines and discover Canadian shale oil is too expensive. Buy the pipelines for cents on the dollar, and use them to transport maple syrup. Even if there’s a spill, how bad can that be? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Hmmm, maybe I ought to create a fragrance... I’ll call it “Allen Bradley”. Fragrance for tech pros. (reminiscent of the smell of burning resistors blended with the scent of pizza) I’m gonna be rich! From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 2:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I also read their biggest money maker now is not the books, or streaming, or any other crap they sell in their store. It's AWS. Which started out as a side thing they were doing. It's like if an ISP started selling books on the side, and the book business took off better than the ISP.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Taco trucks? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 2:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO? On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm"

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Travis Johnson
Didn't it only take Amazon 15+ years to become profitable?? LOL Travis On 2/7/2017 1:58 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve profitability. *From:* Josh Reynolds *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:*

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
They have a statement in their prospectus that they may never achieve profitability. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 1:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO? On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Jaime Solorza
I think Dragonwave had 80Ghz solutions delivering over 2 gigs at 7kms.. On Feb 7, 2017 9:12 AM, "Andreas Wiatowski" wrote: > Certainly MM Wave tech does not lend itself well for the rural markets we > serve, but it could be a play to leverage our infrastructure and

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread George Skorup
FWIW, I've been using flow-tools and the FlowViewer plugin for Cacti for several years now. Works good nuf for me. We're averaging about 10GB/day of flow data. I have about 40 routers sending stats to it. I don't have our upstream interfaces in the mix since RouterOS doesn't include the BGP

Re: [AFMUG] AirFiber24HD high failure rate?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
I can't say I've seen anybody mention this. Somebody might have, there just hasn't been a huge fuss. I think SWS swapped out a few failing original AF24s a year ago and replaced them with AF24HDs for more capacity, but after 4 or 5 years they've obviously payed their cost anyway. On Feb 7, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
Anybody waiting for the Snap, Inc. IPO? On Feb 7, 2017 11:17 AM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" wrote: > TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity > not to be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few > investors. This

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If you look at the marketing material for 60 GHz PTP radios aimed at large carriers and network operators, that's exactly the intention... Small cell rooftop LTE sites linked together with PTP links in the distance size of 500-600m reach (at five nines) in dense urban areas. Small 60 GHz radios

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Talk about a backhaul dilema with cells every x feet! From: Af > on behalf of Josh Reynolds > Reply-To: "af@afmug.com" > Date: Tuesday,

Re: [AFMUG] CMM5 vs Packetflux

2017-02-07 Thread Sean Heskett
hey Sam, just noticed i missed this message the other day. we have three 450m APs on one tower and two on another, all are using the 5.4 band. we are still in the process of moving clients to the 450m's but so far i'm extremely impressed with the performance. it's also really nice to have the

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Just stack them in sideways in the same cell for xpol. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands Turn one cell sideways for diversity. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown"

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
Turn one cell sideways for diversity. -- Original Message -- From: "Chuck McCown" To: "af" Sent: 2/7/2017 1:20:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands With higher order of modulations you can put more prisoners in the same cell.

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
With higher order of modulations you can put more prisoners in the same cell. From: Mathew Howard Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 11:07 AM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands New 5G prisons - twice the capacity in half the space! On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:05 PM,

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Jesse DuPont
Agreed. Using Compass for customer traffic and support (your pipe is full, here's with what) and Kentik for automatic RTBF. Jesse DuPont Network

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Mathew Howard
New 5G prisons - twice the capacity in half the space! On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Jeremy Grip wrote: > Oh, Small Cells aren't about the prison system? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > > > >> On 2/7/17

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Rory Conaway
The limitations of the spectrum, the available equipment and its limitations along with the costs make this extremely hard to make a profit. There are far better and cheaper alternatives. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:03

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Jeremy Grip
Oh, Small Cells aren't about the prison system? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2017, at 12:54 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > >> On 2/7/17 09:48, Mike Hammett wrote: >> I think most people don't understand what the objective is. > > > Right now the objective appears to be to

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
http://www.telecompetitor.com/rise-broadband-fixed-5g-broadband-has-real-rural-challenges/ From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:48 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands I think most

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey Drones

2017-02-07 Thread Andy Trimmell
The super bowl halftime show with the drone swarm was quite impressive! My last message should have said "Can't just" -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 12:40 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Site

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/7/17 09:48, Mike Hammett wrote: I think most people don't understand what the objective is. Right now the objective appears to be to sit on spectrum and hope for a payday. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey Drones

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Two drones, one with a strobe over at the tower. -Original Message- From: Nate Burke Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:16 AM To: Animal Farm Subject: [AFMUG] Site Survey Drones I haven't been following the drone stuff very closely, and I've never used one. Is a Drone with a

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I think most people don't understand what the objective is. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
If you have the recombiner caps on the cells they are safe to vent inside your house. Still best to build a sealed box for them with vents to the outside or a hydrogen sensor and fan. Our local building codes actually specify all of this stuff depending on the type of battery and size.

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey Drones

2017-02-07 Thread Andy Trimmell
Also if you’re using one for site surveys you have to make sure your pilot is certified by the FAA since you’re using it for commercial use. You can just buy a drone and just start using it without a drone pilots license. Andy Trimmell Systems Engineer PDS Connect 317-831-3000

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Those are flooded batteries not AGM, right? Kind of an apples-to-oranges comparison. If they are in a somewhat temperature controlled environment, and not in your basement venting gasses into your house, flooded might be a valid choice and would typically be around half the price of AGM.

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
Best in what way? It sounds like Kentik has a longer retention policy than Arbor, which would explain the higher space requirements. So are you saying it may be worth a small shop asking about pricing? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Sterling Jacobson
I’ll have to look at that. Calix is attractive for many reasons, but I never got a good answer on costs on anything. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jesse DuPont Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Netflow Calix's Compass is

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Cassidy B. Larson
I have Calix and am currently demo’ing Kentik. Calix is awesome at drilling down to the customer level (but it’s got Java). Kentik is awesome to look at the global picture and drilling down to AS, path or upstream interfaces. > On Feb 7, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Mike Hammett

Re: [AFMUG] Site Survey Drones

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I've thought similar, but never tried it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Nate Burke" To: "Animal Farm" Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 11:16:32

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread That One Guy /sarcasm
TOGS is up and coming, getting in on the ground floor is an opportunity not to be missed. Currently a privately held stock, limited to a select few investors. This thing is gonna be bigger than if Edsel had a baby with bernie maddof wint a pinch of enron stuffed into a solyndra cell. On Tue, Feb

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Mike Hammett
I can't imagine Calix's solution to be the same type of product as Kentik, good or bad. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Jesse DuPont" To:

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Sterling Jacobson
We do only IPv4 public and IPv6 public IP direct to consumer device. I think if someone came up with an affordable hosted product that provided nice stats and a good looking interface, there would be lots of interest. I have no idea what my traffic actually looks like right now other than Mbps

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Paul Stewart
Yeah fair enough … figured there’s also others that are WISP’s but their main “bread and butter” is other services …. > On Feb 7, 2017, at 10:57 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: > > You could probably count true WISPs with 6 figures of disposable income with > one hand. > > On

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Waiting for GoPro to drop below 8. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next? Thanks for the tip! Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I wonder if you couple a small sine wave inverter and a grid tie inverter, you can fake out the grid tie inverter to be off grid? Those are the cheapest per watt inverters if you can get them to run that way. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:55 AM To: af@afmug.com

[AFMUG] OT: Sold TSLA, whats next?

2017-02-07 Thread Gino Villarini
Thanks for the tip! Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png]

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Apologies to Eric for hijacking his thread... It does suck and the logic is flawed. Do they charge more for folks that switched to LED bulbs? No. Do they charge more for folks that have smaller houses, better insulation, or choose not to run the AC sometimes? No. If I had more free time I'd

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Paul McCall
320s draw almost an amp on boot. The S16 draws .35, and ePMPs draw .26 each Sent from my Android phone using Symantec TouchDown (www.symantec.com) -Original Message- From: Mathew Howard [mhoward...@gmail.com] Received: Tuesday, 07 Feb 2017, 11:34AM To: af [af@afmug.com] Subject: Re:

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Mathew Howard
How much power does a 320 AP use? 4 ePMPs should only be like 30 watts... I know we have towers running way more than that on AD-155C's, with no issues. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 8:22 AM, Josh Baird wrote: > They are only rated for 155W. They are useful for MicroPops with

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Paul McCall
That would make sense. In our case, anything that uses 48v would be a bigger tower. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Baird Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 9:22 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148 They are only rated for

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I have 10 kW so it would be an extra $70... that sucks. Yeah, I would be buying batts and inverters too. From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2017 9:24 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo

Re: [AFMUG] secondary DHCP relay target

2017-02-07 Thread Jesse DuPont
I don't know how the BMU handles DHCP database sync itself, but if it's like ISC's DHCP, it sync's internally, in which case, you'd just add the 2nd BMU IP address to your one DHCP relay entry. In this scenario, both BMU's would receive DHCP discover packets

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
Sure. Supposedly the plates are a good bit thicker than even high-end deep cycle batteries so they can be cycled daily at the same DOD 3-5 times more than what a GC2 would be able to do. Here's an article that has more info:

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Harold Bledsoe
When we first did it, we had to pay a $5/mo "administrative" fee for having net metering. Effective Jan 1, they charge an additional $7/kw of installed capacity to offset the lower power usage. I think this new charge literally effects only 1 of their customers. I believe their fear is that

[AFMUG] AirFiber24HD high failure rate?

2017-02-07 Thread Colin Stanners
Hi AFMUG, We've tried a few AirFiber24 HD links, and are seeing a high failure rate. Luckily we had backup links, but we'll need to take them all down if we can't be sure of reliability. In two cases, signal in a single direction was low / zero, in the other case it seemed like a firmware/FPGA

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Baird
Yeah - on the Traco side, I think the BCM also uses ~50W if I remember correctly. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: > On 2/7/17 06:22, Josh Baird wrote: > >> They are only rated for 155W. They are useful for MicroPops with >> 1-3AP's, a BH and a small

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Hohhof
Define “last”. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Harold Bledsoe Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 6:38 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly they

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
80.7% of the US population lives in urban areas. 62.7% takes up 3.5% of the land area. Seems like a smart play to me. On Feb 7, 2017 9:34 AM, "Mathew Howard" wrote: > It makes sense to me for super high density areas... but I doubt we'll > ever see much of it deployed

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Jesse DuPont
Calix's Compass is actually really good. It's hosted, priced based on endpoints (not quantity of exporters), great categorization (i.e. Netflix, Youtube, etc). They also do endpoint to customer mapping from various sources (DHCP option-82, RADIUS, their own management

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
You could probably count true WISPs with 6 figures of disposable income with one hand. On Feb 7, 2017 9:51 AM, "Paul Stewart" wrote: > Depends on flow volumes and stuff.. talked to them at NANOG and conference > calls … > > For a low volume shop they seem to have a slick

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 2/7/17 06:22, Josh Baird wrote: They are only rated for 155W. They are useful for MicroPops with 1-3AP's, a BH and a small router/switch. I think that also includes battery charging, so subtract that out when calculating the load. ~Seth

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Paul Stewart
Depends on flow volumes and stuff.. talked to them at NANOG and conference calls … For a low volume shop they seem to have a slick solution - only seen a brief demo. However, depending on volume they do not scale “well” - we were told that we would need several racks of servers to deal with

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Mathew Howard
It makes sense to me for super high density areas... but I doubt we'll ever see much of it deployed outside of larger cities. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: > I guess if you're going to add another antenna to the phone a 39ghz > antenna can be very very

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Adam Moffett
I guess if you're going to add another antenna to the phone a 39ghz antenna can be very very small. They're making equipment for tiny cells. Something they can stick on a lamp post for example. -- Original Message -- From: "Josh Reynolds" To: af@afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Cameron Crum
We've batted this around as a product to offer - more of a feature add on to Wispmon, but it could be stand alone as well. Very basic, just ip and traffic counts, but for tracking usage what else do you need?. A large portion was done and then we got pulled away to more important things as we only

Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals?

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I pay 8.50/month. Flat rate. So you are getting a demand charge added? From: Harold Bledsoe Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 5:37 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Particularly good recent battery deals? Agreed! I'm going to pull the trigger and try the forklift batteries. Supposedly

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

2017-02-07 Thread Stefan Englhardt
Mikrotik FTC. But dumb/ no snmp. Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Dave Gesendet: Dienstag, 7. Februar 2017 14:51 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver yeah, that was a great converter for the price. On 02/06/2017 04:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Reynolds
I believe that's kind of the point... On Feb 7, 2017 8:30 AM, "Ken Patrick" wrote: > My thoughts exactlythe size of the cells may not be more than hundreds > of feet > > On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:26 PM Keefe John wrote: > >> I think these big

Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling

2017-02-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Amazing that the sky is even blue in one frame. I was woken up by that flash that night. One of the best I have ever seen on a camera. From: Sterling Jacobson Sent: Monday, February 06, 2017 4:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Hey Sterling I found them. I posted them to

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Ken Patrick
My thoughts exactlythe size of the cells may not be more than hundreds of feet On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:26 PM Keefe John wrote: > I think these big carriers are drastically overestimating what they can do > with this band. > > Keefe > > > On February 6, 2017 9:02:17

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Stefan Englhardt
We see UBNT building a new billing system which integrates netflow for accounting. I see no extensive reporting/statistics in their demo so far. I guess it makes sense to do accounting with the same data used for analysis … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Erich

Re: [AFMUG] More movement in the 28/39GHz bands

2017-02-07 Thread Keefe John
I think these big carriers are drastically overestimating what they can do with this band. Keefe On February 6, 2017 9:02:17 PM CST, Rory Conaway wrote: >http://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/atandt-buys-fibertower-for-5g-spectrum/d/d-id/730026 > >Rory Conaway * Triad

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Baird
They are only rated for 155W. They are useful for MicroPops with 1-3AP's, a BH and a small router/switch. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Paul McCall wrote: > Yep, bought 2 of the AD-155c. Couldn’t even drive an UBNT S16, 4 ePMPs > and a single 320 series AP, on a 260ft.

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Good source to buy these TSP 360-148

2017-02-07 Thread Paul McCall
Yep, bought 2 of the AD-155c. Couldn’t even drive an UBNT S16, 4 ePMPs and a single 320 series AP, on a 260ft. tower with 12 Gauge wire. Replacing tomorrow with Traco gear. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, February 6, 2017 10:18 PM To:

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Josh Baird
For NetFlow, we use nfdump+nfsen. It's not the *prettiest* interface, but it's very helpful and can be rather powerful. Many of the commercial NetFlow offerings are big bucks. On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Erich Kaiser wrote: > ntop(Is actually really stable

Re: [AFMUG] Netflow

2017-02-07 Thread Erich Kaiser
ntop(Is actually really stable compared to past versions), observium, solarwinds, we run all of them. Each helps with specific issues/needs. Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291 On Mon, Feb 6, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Sterling Jacobson

Re: [AFMUG] POE Fiber Transceiver

2017-02-07 Thread Dave
yeah, that was a great converter for the price. On 02/06/2017 04:58 PM, Sterling Jacobson wrote: Looks like the RB260GS modules I use for POE fiber transceiver are backordered until next never. Are there any alternatives? Seems like all the regular transceivers are not POE. --