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I like this dark fiber model too, but I think it's been tried, probably at the wrong time though. I know there were several companies doing that down here in the DFW area back in the late 90's. None left. My buddy, who worked for one for a while ended up taking the job as IT Director for the city

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First fiber I was involved with was in 1990, so 27 years or so and still going strong. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:35 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof

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On Wednesday, February 01, 2017 Ken Hohhof wrote: > How sure are you that 20 years from now, that investment will still look > “future proof”?  Looking down at the fiber I put down the better part of twenty years ago and still use, I say, yeah, it's still good for another twenty years and

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I think you are right. Perhaps they do now. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 4:06 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Did UTOPIA sell dark fiber? I thought they only did bitstream access. Jared Chuck

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@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well > for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, > that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. > &

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UTOPIA didn't exactly set the world on fire down here. -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well

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The dark fiber loop in my city (Idaho Falls, Idaho) works extremely well for the entire city. There are many providers, even private companies, that lease a dark fiber pair and pay the city a monthly rate. Travis On 2/1/2017 3:40 PM, fiber...@mail.com wrote: Chuck McCown wrote: Who owns

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money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is > going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be > looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or > government subsidy. > > This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I

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No, I wasn't referring to the cell companies. They don't do fixed broadband. Jared From: "Chuck McCown wrote: You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint...   -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com   It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions.  

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Like the $238 "tax" on my fiber lease that runs between state lines? per month? - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much o

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Chuck McCown wrote: > Who owns the dark fiber network? > Government - we all know how good they are at doing things like this. Others manage. See for example Stokab owned by the city of Stockholm in Sweden. > Private - so we create good old Ma Bell all over again? First, it does not have to

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Prior to 1996 it was 100% paid by local customer revenue and NECA long distance pooling. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these And it depends on how much of the loop is allocated to interstate vs

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They didn’t get any pork, nor did Comcast. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:28 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is ineffic

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You mean like T Mobile, AT, Verizon & Sprint... -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com It is inefficient to build competing infrastructures and temporary solutions. Jared

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bidder defense contractor? Great, replication and tax bite too. ? -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:22 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Mark, I believe you have presented a false dilemma. Those

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...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 3:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these So it's not that I have anything offensive to say about the FCC, just an unpopular opinion. As federal agencies go, the FCC is relatively

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dy.   This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts.   -Adam         -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net[mailto:m...@amplex.net]> To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re

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@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing

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NECA long distance pooling settlements. Lots of components to filling out the revenue requirement. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:16 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these and the rest of it? - Mike Hammett Intelligent

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MUG] CenturyLink installing these Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? ---

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Certainly that is a component of the debt service. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 3:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these How is the loan paid back? That customer's $50/month plan? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing

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ary 1, 2017 2:47:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Yo

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on. -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 4:04:01 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10 years there isn’t anything that I have

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: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > >> Adam, >> >> >> So 2 questions for you (or an

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Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere be

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On 2/1/17 12:44, Mike Hammett wrote: You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy. RUS is a loan since it has to be paid back. ~Seth

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No, that is a loan. Just like everyone else here that needs to borrow to build. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:44 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these You got money from someone that wasn't the customer? That's a subsidy

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sday, February 1, 2017 2:15:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Got zero subsidy. Just earning the same rate of return all the other LECs earn. It is a cost recovery mechanism, not a subsidy. It replaced the super high long distance charges of times past. From: Mi

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: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Adam, So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create

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r, and I want WISP's to succeed.but > facts is facts. > > -Adam > > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/1

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. -- Original Message -- From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 3:07:26 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Justify plowing 20 miles of fiber to serve one house any way you want, you’re rationalizing. How sure are you that 2

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Rather have Dr. Strangelove. I can recite most of it. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Are those 4K or 8K “things”? You might “need” something north of 100 meg. (At least I recently read that 3D

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...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 1:57 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM To: af

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: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Any of them getting 1/10th of the subsidy you got. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown

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@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Bro

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2017 2:11:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one ho

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What wisp? Show me the wisp that would do this. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 1:08 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If you plowed 20 miles of fiber for one house, you can bet your ass a WISP would do the same. - Mike

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: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. Put a

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@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 11:38:35 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas like that. I plowed 20 miles

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SPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] C

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I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once. From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1me

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succeed.but facts is facts. -Adam -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when t

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me because I am beautiful. From: Mark Radabaugh Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:11 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps

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t. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. > > From: That One Guy /sarcasm <> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > To: af@afmug.com <> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more ef

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Steffl Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 11:17 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, Can you provide some scenarios where an ILEC is required to build? For example on that 20 mile build. Was there not already copper in the ground for voice service? I know

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ome and as long as the users of the > PSTN pay their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are > harmed in this process. > > *From:* Darin Steffl > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink insta

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and as long as the users of the PSTN pay their USF FEES, it will continue. Again, no tax dollars are harmed in this process. From: Darin Steffl Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:45 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Chuck, I do NOT agree that any company

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Guy /sarcasm > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > > If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service > the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money > > O

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@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: You

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> >>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>> <https://twitter.com/m

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tix> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >> >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/chann

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t; > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > -- > *From: *"Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink insta

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. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of CBB - Jay Fuller Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We have just purchased a WISP in a predominately centurylink area. We are hearing about the towns fed

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, 2017 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM

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:44 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these VDSL with vectoring easy does 100Mbit/s. We see 40 over a km. Depends on the copper. On short hops we see up to 135x63. DSLAMs are cheaper than 450m. So where it is possible to use copper it is a good option. Von: Af

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com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------ > *From: *"Chuck McCown" <c

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: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2017 15:21 An: af@afmug.com Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be the v.fast box too. They have one that looks like that and they claim up to 200 Mbps on shorter loops

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- Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2017 8:20:48 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these We see up to 50 Mbps on Calix VDSL2 on the shorter loops. That case looks like it could be th

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@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the E7-2s I've used

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<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 3

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January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, J

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>>> >>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>> george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>> >>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >

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cbcast.com >>> > wrote: >>> >>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>> >>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>> >>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>>> along

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>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >>>> along that route. >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> >>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@por

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s vdsl2 >>> along that route. >>> >>> Tim >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> >>>> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >

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r ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 >> along that route. >> >> Tim >> >> -Original Message- >> >>> From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> >>> To: af@afmug.com >>> Date: 0

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8 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson <j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote: Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. Thanks

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it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers vdsl2 along that route. Tim -Original Message- > From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing t

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Calix. I'd guess G.Fast Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks > >

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Calix E3 DSL On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Josh Corson wrote: > Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on fairly rural > areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. > > Thanks >