Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

l 16, 2018 10:37:08 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Singularity is an integrator. Sort of like how Ipifony operates for phones. They'll set you up with content providers, head end equipment, and so on. You'd end up paying bills to several people. Singularity provides a

Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

a return. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 4/15/2018 5:53:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV How did that go? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <https

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From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:12:48 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it

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riadwireless.net> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with > commissions. > > Rory > > -Original Message- &

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ject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [A

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FMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >I know

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Sometimes that's easier said than done. -- Original Message -- From: "Adair Winter" <ada...@amarillowireless.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/25/2018 2:24:30 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Matt, It's not rocket science, move in to a real data center

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;>> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very >>>>>> close to you. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... >>>>>> right? >>>>>> >>&g

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had quite a few of them agreeing to the VPN method. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com

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agreeing to the >> VPN method. >> >> How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very >> close to you. >> >> Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... >> right? >> >> *From:* Layne Sisk >

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e chance is low. >>>> Then if discovered, what is the chance that the programmers will care? >>>> >>>> When I was working with Dallas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the >>>> VPN method. >>>> >>>> How about this, you

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: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2018 1:23:36 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Layne can you share a list of connection points to the list? Have you changed pricing at all since you and I talked last? Thanks C

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image: http://i.imgur.com/ELG0AB1.png] > <https://twitter.com/RealServerPlus> > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 6:40 PM > *To:* af@afmug.co

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hem agreeing to the > VPN method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very > close to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? > > *From:* Layne Sisk > *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 20

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allas, I had quite a few of them agreeing to the > VPN method. > > How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very > close to you. > > Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? > > *From:* Layne Sisk > *Sent:* Fri

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dge server is my business... right....? >> >> From: Layne Sisk >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >> >> When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to y

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sk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102<tel:801.426.8283%2C%20ext%20

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t; From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone discovering that you are > transporting to

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Matt just emailed me and said that the way Viva was set up was fine. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 12:27 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Layne, what is the real world chance of anyone

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server is my business... right? *From:* Layne Sisk *Sent:* Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When they do you won’t be able to resell it, they will just sell it to your customers and you won’t make anything. Layne Sisk

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. How about this, you sell to me, I take delivery in a data center very close to you. Then what I do to transport to the edge server is my business... right? From: Layne Sisk Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 10:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When

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: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I’m pretty sure bringing US content that was destined for the Philippines back into the US is not legal. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 23:12, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: > > We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign

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you're carrying the traffic without getting anything out of it. -- Original Message -- From: "Clint Wiley" <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com<mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>&g

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il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> From: "Clint Wiley" <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com<mailto:cl...@hagerstownfiber.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23,

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We are a partner in Real Choice. Layne Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:21 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV When

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issions. > > Rory > > -Original Message- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering

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We are doing Viva and WISPs will be able to sign up on it Monday with commissions. Rory -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Clint Wiley Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 1:39 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted

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tting anything > out of it. > > > -- Original Message -- > From: "Clint Wiley" <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV >

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iber.com>> To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong techn

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om Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:03:52 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Honestly I have to admit that it was quite clever on Dish Network's part. They made sure everyone actually wanted the second price tier because there's one critical channel for everybody that isn't in

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or some such, but I'm equally willing to assume it's a result of evil genius. -- Original Message -- From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:59:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV and there's no way they'll

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Friday, February 23, 2018 7:55:43 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yup. I remember that from when I had to sell Dish Network. No two people agree on what the right set of channels are, but they all agree that the channels they want should be in the cheaper package. --

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mug.com> Sent: 2/23/2018 7:01:33 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solution. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at

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f@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:40:11 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV "a set of the channels folks want to watch" That's going to be even harder than a full line-up OTT. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> <http

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Message - From: "Clint Wiley" <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:01:32 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV That’s actually a good point. This is a rapidly moving area. I don’t want to choose the wrong technology/solu

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rivervalleyinternet.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 6:08:14 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV It’s why I’ve held off for as long as I have. None of the options were right. They either required expensive private lines, or the costs were so high I ended

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I did not realize the association. -- Original Message -- From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 8:23:49 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Yes they do. It’s called real choice. On Feb 23, 2018, at 20:

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ssage -- > From: "Layne Sisk" <la...@serverplus.com> > To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > >> There are 2 types of licensing, MVPD and OTT. MVPD is closed network only,

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When you say "We", do you mean that ServerPlus has an IPTV solution? Is this something you're reselling? -- Original Message -- From: "Layne Sisk" <la...@serverplus.com> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Sent: 2/23/2018 5:31:27 PM Subj

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gt;> Midwest Internet Exchange >> >> The Brothers WISP >> >> >> >> >> From: "Matt Hoppes" <mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoi

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net<mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 5:04:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.

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4:40 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Maybe. Time will tell. On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:46, Mike Hammett < af...@ics-il.net > wrote: I think those that go over the public Internet don't have nearly the same lineup. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Soluti

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idwest Internet Exchange > > The Brothers WISP > > > > > From: ch...@wbmfg.com > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 4:16:50 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers t

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:16:50 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other streamers to deliver it via the public internet, why not RCTV? Does not seem fair to discriminate against the smaller companies like this. -Original Message- From: Clint Wiley Sent

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.net> To: af@afmug.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:46:09 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> wrote: > > H

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Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:24 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Also. This makes real Choice an IPTV solution not an OTT solution. We need a cost effective OTT solution. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 17:18, Keefe John <keefe...@ethoplex.com> wrote: &g

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Sisk ServerPlus 801.426.8283, ext 102    -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Well, the are all allowing all the other

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ubject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV Unless you're getting a short wave most long-distance layer2 connections are going to be MPLS over layer3 anyways.  So how's that different than a VPN or GRE tunnel? Keefe On 2/23/2018 3:56 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: > That is not by choice.

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he programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN >> (silly, right) over the public internet. Some of them were OK with it. >> >> -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes >> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject:

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the programmers to allow content via VPN or VLAN over VPN (silly, right)  over the public internet.  Some of them were OK with it. -Original Message- From: Matt Hoppes Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would

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: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I agree that a VPN makes plenty of sense. I get why they do it but it adds an expense that may take me a good bit of time to recover. Thanks, _ Clint Wiley Hagerstown Fiber Internet On Feb 23, 2018, at 4:56 PM, "ch...@wbmfg.com

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att Hoppes > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 2:46 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV > > RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line > requirement. > >> On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley <

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To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley <cl...@hagerstownfiber.com> wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your cus

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RealChoice would be a great option if they would drop their private line requirement. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 15:39, Clint Wiley wrote: > > Hi, > > I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are > any of you using either RodeoTV or

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I also just found out about another outfit called Singularity TV. I have a call with them next week. -- Original Message -- From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:36:28 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV I know the RealChoice guys personally. I trust

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vs. RealChoice TV Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks

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Of the people I've talked to, RealChoice seemed to have their act together the best. I have not talked to Rodeo at all. -- Original Message -- From: "Keefe John" <keefe...@ethoplex.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 2/23/2018 4:01:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. Rea

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I'd like to see a YoutubeTV reseller program.  Has anyone inquired? Keefe On 2/23/2018 2:39 PM, Clint Wiley wrote: Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you

[AFMUG] RodeoTV vs. RealChoice TV

Hi, I wanted to see if any of you are offering IPTV to your customers. If so, are any of you using either RodeoTV or RealChoice TV as the wholesale provider? Can any of you provide feedback, thoughts, experiences, etc. on either provider? Thanks, _ Clint Wiley