I vote for myself.
-K
From: Aris Merchant
Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:55 PM
To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org
Subject: Re: BUS: Election Initiation for the Office of Prime Minister
On Tue, Aug 22, 2017 at 10:45 PM, Kyle Anderson wrote:
> I initiate an election for the office of Prime Mini
On Tue, 22 Aug 2017, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Welcome, K! I guess single letter names are turning into a thing.
hey now, some of us include the full stop.
-G.
No you don't - This is a message to the discussion forum, and thus is just
a statement, not an action.
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:29 AM Kyle Anderson
wrote:
> I vote for myself.
>
>
>
> -K
>
>
>
> *From: *Aris Merchant
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:55 PM
> *To: *agora-busin...@agoranomic
@K You may want to "TTttPF" (This Time to the Proper Forum) your post as is
usual when making such an error.
天火狐
On 23 August 2017 at 16:14, Quazie wrote:
> No you don't - This is a message to the discussion forum, and thus is just
> a statement, not an action.
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:29
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:03 AM, V.J Rada wrote:
>
> You can also take Reportor by deputization as I deregistered while holding
> the office. Why are there so many mechanisms for filling offices when there
> are like 8 players? Good question!
Historical reasons, but I’d be inclined to keep them
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 1:03 AM, V.J Rada wrote:
> >
> > You can also take Reportor by deputization as I deregistered while holding
> > the office.
> > Why are there so many mechanisms for filling offices when there are like 8
> > players? Good quest
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:14 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
> 5 ShiniesQuazie
> 50 ShiniesQuazie,
This will be corrected in the next Secretary’s report, incidentally.
-o
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> On Aug 23, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Josh T wrote:
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> I'm kind of reluctant to spend my Shinies since I don't actually do the
> things which award Shinies. Maybe when I'm not super busy with moving and
> such I should deputize for Reporter and publish newspapers, but that doesn't
> solve the probl
On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 02:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Alex Smith
> wrote:
>
> > > I spend an action point, if it is possible for me to do so, to
> > > call
> > > for judgement on the following statement:
> > >
> > > Nichdel has 1 Stamp (nichdel) and 9 Shinies.
>
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 02:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Alex Smith
>> wrote:
>>
I spend an action point, if it is possible for me to do so, to
call
for judgement on the following statement:
o, you could probably just use quazie's agency to judge your own CFJ.
Unethical but.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
>> On Thu, 2017-08-17 at 02:03 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>> On Aug 1, 2017, at 8:21 AM, Alex Smith
>>>
That’s devious.
-o
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:15 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
>
> o, you could probably just use quazie's agency to judge your own CFJ.
> Unethical but.
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:13 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:10 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2017-08-17 at
I intend to Ratify this document Without Objection: {{{
CFJ 3550 has never been assigned, and was withdrawn by its creator.
}}}
To satisfy rule 2202, I acknowledge that this document is incorrect due to the
fact that CFJ 3550 has in fact been assigned and was not successfully
withdrawn. I believ
I would also be happy to give you the office of Superintendent.
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:26 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:12 AM, Kyle Anderson wrote:
>
>> Thank you! I gladly except the Welcome
On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote:
> Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister, Herald
> and Report or by announcement.
As this appears not to have “stuck,” and as V.J Rada specifically requested
that someone finish the job:
I initiate an Agoran decision to
Could you consider removing the HTML from your emails?
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 12:47 AM, Kyle Anderson wrote:
>
> I was actually given my 50 Shinies, as Owen pointed out earlier. The issue is
> regarding the next player wh
On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 21:24 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote:
>
> > Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister,
> > Herald and Report or by announcement.
>
> As this appears not to have “stuck,” and as V.J Rada specifically
> reque
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:42 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 21:24 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> On Jun 27, 2017, at 2:09 AM, V.J Rada wrote:
>>
>>> Because I am rather bored, I initiate elections for Prime Minister,
>>> Herald and Report or by announcement.
>>
>> As this appea
<<<(V.J. Rada mentioned «the CFJ re
<< wrote:
> It looks like the recent lull in activity has caused a few CFJs to go
> unjudged for a while. (One of them was mine *oops*; I've judged it
> now.)
>
> CFJs that are definitely overdue:
>
> by Quazie: 3542 (and 3550 but that has special circumstances)
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> CFJs that are definitely overdue:
>
> by Quazie: 3542 (and 3550 but that has special circumstances)
> by Murphy: 3548
> by omd:3547, 3553
I point my finger at the following players for violating rule 591:
* Quazie
* Murphy
* omd
Having conf
<< wrote:
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
>
>> CFJs that are definitely overdue:
>>
>> by Quazie: 3542 (and 3550 but that has special circumstances)
>> by Murphy: 3548
>> by omd:3547, 3553
>
> I point my finger at the following players for violating rule 591:
>
> * Quazie
> *
More interestingly, I believe some of those are more than a week
overdue. If failing to judge triggers the statute of limitations on
the point the judgments become overdue, these might be invalid.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 12:01 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
> <<
> Two fingers a week. The third is ineffectiv
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:04 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
>
> More interestingly, I believe some of those are more than a week
> overdue. If failing to judge triggers the statute of limitations on
> the point the judgments become overdue, these might be invalid.
It depends on whether failing to complete
On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> CFJs for which the status is more complicated (and I could do with a
> summary of the current status for anyone who's aware of it):
>
> by o: 3537
If I was the judge at the time, then I resolved it (AFFIRM, of V.J Rada’s
original FALSE verd
>From my perspective the timeline is this:
I judged FALSE.
I made a motion to reconsider.
I judged FALSE.
I sent a message to A-D purporting to recuse myself entirely.
I made a motion to reconsider.
I judged FALSE.
It was pointed out that one person cannot move twice to reconsider.
PSS and CB suppo
I'm not a player this didn't work. Should write it on my hand or something.
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Aris Merchant
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:53 PM Owen Jacobson wrote:
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:52 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
>> >
>> > I intend to moot the judgment in 3537 wi
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>
>> On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:56 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a player this didn't work. Should write it on my hand or something.
>
> Sigh.
>
> I intend to enter CFJ 3537 into moot, with two support.
>
> -o
>
I support.
-Aris
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:58 PM, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Thu, 2017-08-24 at 02:54 +, Aris Merchant wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 7:53 PM Owen Jacobson
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:52 PM, V.J Rada
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I intend to moot the judgment in 3537 with two
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Kyle Anderson wrote:
> I hereby deregister myself as a player for a minimum period of 30 days, in
> accordance with Rule 869.
>
> -K
I'm sorry to see you go. Could you explain why you wanted to leave?
-Aris
Oh speaking of momentary players, could the Agoraculture proposal
submitted by o be changed to make someone other than babalien the
agoraculturor, given he was around for like two days?
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Aris Merchant
wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Kyle Anderson wrote:
It has become apparent that I require more time for research and
observation before I can begin to grasp all that is going on and what I
should be doing. Unfortunately, I don't feel as though I have the requisite
time to play the game to it's fullest. I will, however, remain on the
lists, and conti
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:04 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
> >
> > More interestingly, I believe some of those are more than a week
> > overdue. If failing to judge triggers the statute of limitations on
> > the point the judgments become overdue, these might be
This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not
rule or rights-wise, but socially, in unwritten things.
I thought that it was only an issue for me because I throttle too hard on
weird, fringe stuff but it's disheartening to find that it's a barrier for
more people.
Maybe I
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:04 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
> > >
> > > More interestingly, I believe some of those are more than a week
> > > overdue. If failing to judge triggers the statute of limitations on
> > > th
More on that social gerontocracy issue, it's very similar to the monkey and
ladder experiment. Newcomers trip on unwritten things are just like the new
monkeys who are tripping on the error of going up the ladder. There is no
clear warning for it until you run into it, and it gets frustrating to ru
Quick, someone point a finger! Wish cards were appealable...
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
>> > > On Aug 23, 2017, at 10:04 PM, V.J Rada wrote:
>> > >
>> > > More interestingly, I bel
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:32 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not rule
> or rights-wise, but socially, in unwritten things.
>
> I thought that it was only an issue for me because I throttle too hard on
> weird, fringe stuff but it's
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>
> like playing I Want To Be The Guy
Steady on!
Actually, I broadly agree with your overall thesis. Precedent and history are
_important_, and I think it’s worth understanding why things are the way they
are before tearing them down or rebu
On Wed, 23 Aug 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> My personal coping strategy has been to ignore the mechanics that don’t
> immediately interest me, more or less, and to focus intently on the ones
> that do. However, that’s a coping strategy, not a solution: I’m surely
> missing interesting opportuni
...American Online?
wut lol
On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:11 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not
> rule or rights-wise, but socially, in unwritten things.
> >
> > I thought that it was only
See https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/AOL . Read the whole page.
-Aris
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 9:15 PM Cuddle Beam wrote:
> ...American Online?
>
> wut lol
>
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 6:11 AM, Kerim Aydin
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> > This has been a problem for
In the end, Agora is an attention distribution machine. A game of attention
economy. If we didn't need attention from other people, we would be playing
nomic alone.
And in the end everyone wants their own things to gain the most attention,
whether it be rules for others to use, obscure history you
You're seeing a very small slice of time and making generalizations based
on your very short time here.
Looking back, the majority of game time is when one particular type of play
dominated, with people trying to Win it via "legit" methods. Sometimes Cards.
Sometimes Contracts. Sometimes Point
On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 23:46 -0400, Owen Jacobson wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 2017, at 11:37 PM, Cuddle Beam
> > wrote:
> >
> > like playing I Want To Be The Guy
>
> Steady on!
>
> Actually, I broadly agree with your overall thesis. Precedent and
> history are _important_, and I think it’s worth under
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> I've discovered that it's basically impossible to force Agorans to use
> what were once called "supplementary legal codes" in any way other than
> Contracts. If you create a mechanic, either it turns into Contracts, or
> else it ends up unused. I know ther
Nttpf
On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 20:32 Cuddle Beam wrote:
> This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not
> rule or rights-wise, but socially, in unwritten things.
>
> I thought that it was only an issue for me because I throttle too hard on
> weird, fringe stuff but it's
Uh oh, I think we might need to fire up there registration CFJ machine again.
Gaelan
> On Aug 23, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote:
>> This has been a problem for me too, the game is very gerontocratic. Not rule
>> or rights-wise, but soci
On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> > I've discovered that it's basically impossible to force Agorans to use
> > what were once called "supplementary legal codes" in any way other than
> > Contracts. If you create a mechanic, either it
I believe that actions that happen without a message that explicitly causes
them to happen are a Bad Idea due to the challenges they cause in record
keeping. In general, “any player may cause x to happen” is way better than “x
happens.” In fact, the former is already possible via agencies.
Gae
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:22 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> > > I've discovered that it's basically impossible to force Agorans to use
> > > what were once called "supplementary legal codes" in any way other than
> >
On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:34 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say something is
> "different" than contracts. If it's a "supplementary legal code", it
> described a set of usages to follow. If that's what you call a
> contract, it's a tautology to say al
On Thu, 24 Aug 2017, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 22:34 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > I guess I don't understand what you mean when you say something is
> > "different" than contracts. If it's a "supplementary legal code", it
> > described a set of usages to follow. If that's what
On Wed, 2017-08-23 at 23:06 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> I'm not seeing how Organizations are any different though?
> It cloaks things in "appropriate" changes of switches to different
> text values, but that's just amending legal codes just the same...?
It was meant to be a pragmatised but non-sub
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