Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-31 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nch wrote: On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: One of the issues is that we don't really do "equity" (we tried once, it was complicated and interesting but I don't think it really worked). Equity itself is transactional

Re: BUS: [Herald] Silver Quill 2016 (Was: Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills)

2020-05-31 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 11:44 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 5/31/20 11:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business > wrote: > > Having assessed the discussion, I plan to proceed with awarding the > > award as recommended because "Winning by apathy" seems to have

Re: BUS: [Herald] Silver Quill 2016 (Was: Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills)

2020-05-31 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/31/20 11:26 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business wrote: > Having assessed the discussion, I plan to proceed with awarding the > award as recommended because "Winning by apathy" seems to have been > the most consequential and unique, therefore I intend to award ais523 > the

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-29 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> > Equity itself is transactional though, because we're all players and any > > transactions might affect all of us. In chess a judge could make a ruling > > to even it out, but our judges are also playing at the same time. > > > > What about automatically blotting violations and then raise it

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-29 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:38, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:34 AM Rebecca wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:27 AM James Cook via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/28/2020 10:07 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: >> >> Well in the great majority of chess games these days, someone would be > unable to move a knight incorrectly because the game was played online and > therefore the program would simply not move the piece. > Yes, I totally agree -

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 1:03 PM Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > Original Message > On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > If I accidentally moved

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:55 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > If I accidentally moved a knight wrong and neither of us noticed until a > move or two later, I broke the rules. But did I

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:55 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > If I accidentally moved a knight wrong and neither of us noticed until a move > or two later, I broke

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/28/2020 9:42 AM, Nch via agora-discussion wrote: > > If I accidentally moved a knight wrong and neither of us noticed until a move > or two later, I broke the rules. But did I cheat? I don't think so. That's > the distinction I'm trying to draw. > One of the issues is that we don't

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:27 AM, James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < >

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/28/2020 9:14 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > > isn't law in real life exactly this though? there are plenty of things like > littering that people often do (and attract relatively small consequences) > that are just as illegal under law as, say, murder. > Sure, that's why you

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:34 AM Rebecca wrote: > > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:27 AM James Cook via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via

Fw: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Nch via agora-discussion
Original Message On May 28, 2020, 11:11 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:27 AM James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion > wrote: > > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > >

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 28 May 2020 at 16:14, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote: > On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > > On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via > > agora-discussion wrote: > > > > In fact, it may be

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:11 AM Alex Smith via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via > agora-discussion wrote: > > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes > anyway: > > > small

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Alex Smith via agora-discussion
> On Thursday, 28 May 2020, 17:03:57 GMT+1, James Cook via agora-discussion > wrote: > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes anyway: > > small infractions that earn you some blots, and serious ones that come with > > a > > punishment you can't pay off. I think

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread Rebecca via agora-discussion
On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 2:04 AM James Cook via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes > anyway: > > small infractions that earn you some blots, and serious ones that come > with a > > punishment you can't

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-28 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> In fact, it may be a good idea to have two separate tiers of crimes anyway: > small infractions that earn you some blots, and serious ones that come with a > punishment you can't pay off. I think that'd reconcile the ideas of "justice > as > a game mechanic" and "justice as a way to deal with

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread nch via agora-discussion
On Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:00:58 PM CDT Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > I personally really liked the cards system and would like to bring > > parts of it back, but I wasn't around in 2016, so I'll happily defer > > to others. > > Well that last bit sucked for the referee - it

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/27/2020 2:48 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:44 PM James Cook wrote: >> >>> *7831 Alexis 3.0 Vigilante Justice >>> The full creation of the cards system of justice (many pieces of which >>> remain in the Referee rules). >> >> That was an

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 5:44 PM James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > *7831 Alexis 3.0 Vigilante Justice > > The full creation of the cards system of justice (many pieces of which > > remain in the Referee rules). > > That was an interesting read. (Adopted Dec 5, 2016; >

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
> *7831 Alexis 3.0 Vigilante Justice > The full creation of the cards system of justice (many pieces of which > remain in the Referee rules). That was an interesting read. (Adopted Dec 5, 2016; https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2016-December/011302.html )

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/27/2020 10:37 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > *7811 ais523 1.0 Winning by apathy > > *7831 Alexis 3.0 Vigilante Justice It's interesting to reflect on these two and the context of hindsight. Vigilante Justice was a full-fledged justice system that used the "card" metaphor (in the

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 5/27/2020 9:04 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: >> On 1/12/2020 6:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> We haven’t awarded Silver Quills for any year since 2015. 2019’s awards >>> will be dealt with in this year’s

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-05-27 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
On Sun, Jan 12, 2020 at 11:32 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > > > > On 1/12/2020 6:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > We haven’t awarded Silver Quills for any year since 2015. 2019’s awards > > will be dealt with in this year’s awards month, but that leaves 2016,

Re: DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-01-12 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/12/2020 6:00 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > We haven’t awarded Silver Quills for any year since 2015. 2019’s awards > will be dealt with in this year’s awards month, but that leaves 2016, 2017, > and 2018. Would anyone mind if I, as Promotor, suggested Silver Quills for >

DIS: Back-Awarding of Silver Quills

2020-01-12 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
We haven’t awarded Silver Quills for any year since 2015. 2019’s awards will be dealt with in this year’s awards month, but that leaves 2016, 2017, and 2018. Would anyone mind if I, as Promotor, suggested Silver Quills for those years? I was only Promotor for part of 2016, but it was a very