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Re: developers and empty promises I don't speak German myself, I'm just curious as all. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=341385#p341385 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com

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Re: developers and empty promises staindaddict. If you purchased the game, you will get access to the accessible version. It is just an update of the game. If you have bought it on Steam it will automatically update, if you have bought it DRM-free, you just need to re-download it. No need

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Re: developers and empty promises One question I have is, what did you mean it was unusual to have German voice prompts with English voice actors? If you only have English actors, how would you make a German version? I'm confused. Also, it wouldn't be difficult to make the TTS prompts

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Re: developers and empty promises That's why I'm waiting for it to be immediately available before spending my money. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=341136#p341136 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: developers and empty promises When the accessible version is released, how can I get it? I have the game on my computer, and I'd like to know how to get the blind version. I paid for the game, so if there is a accessible version, I want toknow about it. I hope I don't have to buy

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Re: developers and empty promises Hey guys!Just to keep you up to date: the accessible version is done and currently tested by blind players from the community. It will be available in about a week.Cheers,Zein from Goodwolf URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=341116#p341116

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Re: developers and empty promises Yeah I know. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324377#p324377 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https://sabahattin-gucukoglu.com/cgi-bin

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Re: developers and empty promises Biggun: The Kickstarter campaign has come to an end. But you can still regularly support them by ordering a season pass. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324357#p324357 ___ Audiogames

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Re: developers and empty promises Orko wrote:I see this whole debate in three or four flavors.1. Developers who want to include the visually impaired among their customers and make every effort to make their products accessible to them. The accessibility components of the product may

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Re: developers and empty promises I see this whole debate in three or four flavors.1. Developers who want to include the visually impaired among their customers and make every effort to make their products accessible to them. The accessibility components of the product may or may

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Re: developers and empty promises Think of backing a project as donating on steroids, with perks, risks and challenges, and quite a bit of fineprint you should read before donating. That's why you need to read the whole page before investing your time. @Jlove, the unfortunate truth

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Re: developers and empty promises ogomez92 wrote:I'm sorry but I do agree wth the first post on this one. If you have blind people backing your project, at least make it playable on launch... Otherwise, they will feel left out. Obviously...But following that logic, that would mean

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Re: developers and empty promises I'm sorry but I do agree wth the first post on this one. If you have blind people backing your project, at least make it playable on launch... Otherwise, they will feel left out. Obviously... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324335

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Re: developers and empty promises @56, point taken, but keep in mind that usually when a dev that goes through a publisher wants to implement something so revolutionary, for lack of a better term, the publisher has to know about it, and usually it's the publisher's job to "ap

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Re: developers and empty promises But again, why would the publishers care?  They're not going to lose any money on access fixes, since the company's hundreds of coders can internally handle it. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324333#p324333

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Re: developers and empty promises Hello, everybody. Thank you for your patience and support, we really appreciate it that you are so understanding I'd like to answer a few questions.BryanP wrote: (...) I told her that they were implementing the accessibility mode into the game itself

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Re: developers and empty promises Have to agree, Developers are trying, but they are newbies to programming of audio games, as we can put it, and they have no experience with any audio game programming. So be pattiont, use what you can, and in joy!Kind regards, Aleksandar URL: http

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Re: developers and empty promises As I said earlier, patience is the key here. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324315#p324315 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: developers and empty promises Guys: If you start the newest version of the game and press alt v or option v if you are using Mac, you will get speech. Just saying... However, the speech is not stable, but the developers are working on it... URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: developers and empty promises Exactly. The only exception in the big companies here is EA which is doing an awesome job. Possibly Nrs too, but that's all dependent on whether they continue improving the framework they built or if they intend to leave it as is. Time will tell. URL

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Re: developers and empty promises Exactly Jack. That said it's probably highly unlikely that we'll ever see a big, mainstream developer ever really get onboard with accessibility. So we have to rely on these indi developers and that means offending them as little as we possibly can. URL

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Re: developers and empty promises @Jlove It's one of two things, the ladder being the more likely depending on which dev you encounter. One only comes down to laziness on the dev's part, which is self explanatory although still makes no sense. But when we're a low-incidence, they sadly

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Re: developers and empty promises If you really wanna prove us wrong Harison, sift through your inbox and find all the backer updates and post them here. Then again, everyone else is right on the matter. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324199#p324199

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Re: developers and empty promises harrylst wrote:no, we were told well after the KS campaign ended that the accessible version wouldn't come out the same time. And by then, it was too late.I'm sorry if I keep harping on this and not letting it go, but we really have no proof

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Re: developers and empty promises I would like to point out here that Kevin and his partner do not "have" to give anyone anything. Yes, someone asked them to make their game accessible. Yes, they said they would. But just because someone says they'll do something does not mean th

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Re: developers and empty promises All I am going to say here is that I am immensely pleased that a team of two developers has decided that we're worth the effort of adding accessibility to what began as a mainstream game for the sighted, and initially most likely had no plans

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Re: developers and empty promises I think there are some campaigns for products that _could_ be released without funding, but at a significantly lower quality. Ex, AHC was funding things like sounds and voices, where they could have released the game as it was and have it seem less

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Re: developers and empty promises I feel like now is a good time to remind people of how stock markets work. It's kinda like Kickstarter for publicly-traded companies, except with fewer protections and perks, and less accountability. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid

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Re: developers and empty promises I'll just point out that Kickstarter, as much as it is a nuisance accessibility-wise, does have quite a few layers of protection for backers. If the project didn't reach its goal yet was released, all backers would get their money back as Kickstarter

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Re: developers and empty promises hey simba. no, the accesibility mode will only be english because the voice over is only english as well.When testing it with episode 0 it was really weird having german voice command mixed with english voice acting. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net

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Re: developers and empty promises Hi.At kevin and those who develop code7, will the accessibility mode also be implemented in the german version.If not it's ok to, but I actually would love to play the preview or the upcoming chapters in german as well.Greetings Moritz. URL: http

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Re: developers and empty promises Well said Jack and Dark.Based on pass experiences developers using funding campaigns like kickstarter or asking for preorders do need to prove themselves.But, at the same time, don't go throwing new developers under the bus until they has shown

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Re: developers and empty promises Well put Dark and Jack. This entitlement mentality a lot of blind people seem to have is one reason why I haven't been as diligent as I could have been about my BGT studies or, more accurately, why I would hesitate to make public any games I might develop

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Re: developers and empty promises Harison, I'll just go off of what has been said here, and put it as plain and simple as I can...cut the entitlement, please. Ever pay attention to that heading in damn near every kickstarter page, called, and I quote, risks and challenges? Well, just

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Re: developers and empty promises all we need is patients. the game will come. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=324058#p324058 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames-reflector@sabahattin-gucukoglu.com https

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Re: developers and empty promises Again I wonder why people always! remember the unfulfilled promises here. I can think of plenty of occasions where accessibility did not happen on first release, King of dragon pass, smugglers series, especially in Smugglers 4, yet again adventure to fate

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Re: developers and empty promises I never said that I was promised any additional chapters for those games. Although disappointing, I'm fine with only getting the first chapter and nothing more.What annoys and upsets me is when the developers neglect to tell you that you are only getting

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Re: developers and empty promises harrylst,I understand you're upset that you can't play the game right now, but you have to cut us some slack here. Back in September we had to estimate the game's development almost a year in advance. That's what estimates are, they are not set in stone

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Re: developers and empty promises @harrylst: I'd seriously recommend just being paitient. How do you think the sighted community would feel about a Hero's call when they discover that an audio version got made first before their graphical version? It's like this here. Think

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Re: developers and empty promises harrylist,I understand you're upset that you can't play the game right now, but you have to cut us some slack here. Back in September we had to estimate the game's development almost a year in advance. That's what estimates are, they are not set in stone

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Re: developers and empty promises Why people are doing this? just why? While I can understand everyone who backed the campaign and is expecting the game to be playable sometimes it needs extra work and backing something is just trusting someone. I am pretty sure they will work

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Re: developers and empty promises Why people are doing this? just why? While I can understand everyone who backed the campaign and is expecting the game to be playable sometimes it needs extra work and backing something is just trusting someone. I am pretty sure they will work

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Re: developers and empty promises no, we were told well after the KS campaign ended that the accessible version wouldn't come out the same time. And by then, it was too late.I'm sorry if I keep harping on this and not letting it go, but we really have no proof that anything's going

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Re: developers and empty promises @Orko: Have you ever got promises that the stories of Chillingham, Time adventures and Blindside will continue in a future release? It's quite normal that a story ends so it can continue later on, if the developer or writer feels like continue the story

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Re: developers and empty promises We're not some evil corporation, trying to cheat you out of your money We genuinely want to make this work, we even met with the accessibility group here in our city to get their feedback. We hear your community and we want to have a proper version

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Re: developers and empty promises Hey guys,don't worry. The blind friendly version is on its way. It'll come in an update in a few weeks at the latest.We're just two people and don't have the capacity to release everything at once.We've been trying to communicate this through our

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Re: developers and empty promises Hey guys,don't worry. The blind friendly version is on its way. It'll come in an update in a few weeks at the latest.We're just two people and don't have the capacity to release everything at once.We've been trying to communicate this through our

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Re: developers and empty promises I think all things considered, this isn't the worst kickstarter offense in the history of kickstarter most certainly. While it is questionable that this happened, I think I must also agree it's worth waiting a few months to see what happens. If nothing

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Re: developers and empty promises I have to agree with Crashmaster and Dark particularly. Patience is the key here, ladies and gentlemen. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323987#p323987 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing

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Re: developers and empty promises he's talking about the prologue having speech. that's been around a long time.The first episode which came out today still doesn't have speech, although it was supposed to. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323978#p323978

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Re: developers and empty promises and as far as david greenwood and such, I believe that is the right way to handle it. Don't make promises at all, if you don't think you can keep them. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323979#p323979

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Re: developers and empty promises One proverb which  I've seen the truth of proved again and again   evil shouts, good whispers. Especially in a small community like this one, and especially when people have a lot of ignorance, stupidity and yes even down right evil to deal with on a dayly

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Re: developers and empty promises The only thing that was released today was some sort of intro, none of the four episode that make up the main body of the game have been released, but you can preorder those.Me? No thanks, I'll wait for it to be released and there is actually a product

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Re: developers and empty promises the only thing i found annoying is the game uses the default windows ttsgreetings. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323956#p323956 ___ Audiogames-reflector mailing list Audiogames

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Re: developers and empty promises Hmmm.[[wow]], so these guys are sighted guys who I think wanted this to come out, the blind version takes a bit more work, probably more things to do.And guys there are no shortcuts, no synths, its all audio.On that note from working with sonnar, which

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Re: developers and empty promises It's a problem with crowdfunding in general. Remember that you are paying for a product that doesn't exist, and if something happens to it and your money is not refunded, you're fucked. that doesn't mean crowdfunding is bad (the Pebble Smartwatch

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Re: developers and empty promises Oh [[wow]]! I was really surprised when I sau that. the game has accessability  already. the devs have put it on. I am playing code7 the new episode. with speach and everything.make sure from the thing before you accuse others guys. all what you need

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Re: developers and empty promises Oh [[wow]]! I was really surprised when I sau that. the game has accessability  already. the devs have put it on. I am playing code7 the new episode. with speach and everything.make sure from the thing before you accuse others guys. all what you need

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Re: developers and empty promises Sadly, that's the issue with kickstarter in general. It's pretty impressive that they made the game. Kickstarter is starting to become for empty promises, so finding this thread doesn't surprise me. It's been an issue of broken kickstarter promises in one

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Re: developers and empty promises I've seen something like this too many times to count. The promises made weren't accessibility oriented, but after a while it becomes clear that the promises were made as a tactic to garner any funding they can with no real intention to keep those promises

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Re: developers and empty promises If that was only day ago, then it's not worffe doing something like posting this topic. How ever, if it was even a month past I should have taken some auction. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323924#p323924

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Re: developers and empty promises It's actually really simple. If you launch something, and have pre-order financing through it, then make it accessible to the backers that made it possible. The reason I'm mad is that I paid real money on this understanding, and it did not come to fruition

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Re: developers and empty promises the german comment was my error. I apologize about that one, and that didn't come out the way I wanted it to, so I'm sorry. But I do not apologize about the thread as a whole. URL: http://forum.audiogames.net/viewtopic.php?pid=323916#p323916

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Re: developers and empty promises Wait what? A german version is a minor problem because we are audiogames.nett? This comment is so stupid I don't even know what to answer on this.And secondly, he did say that a blind friendly version will come out, so where is your darn problem? I just

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Re: developers and empty promises The entitlement oozing from this post is astounding. The game only came out today, just relax. If it had been, say, a year and still nothing, I could understand. Posts like this are why people are hesitant in dealing with the blind community. URL: http

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developers and empty promises Hello,I feel like this is something that should be addressed here, if there's nowhere else where I can put this, maybe I can put it here and attract attention somewhere. I don't know. But I feel this needs to be stated somewhere.I backed code 7http://code7