Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
Eric Carroll;180085 Wrote: Why the use of solid wire rather than stranded? While I doubt audio frequencies matter, there is definately a surface effect of AC signals on solid copper cable, so stranded is more typical. Just curious. Because it's an Anti-Cable! FWIW I've probably read every

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread jhm731
I agree with Mr.Anderson on the value of room correction, but it will not make up the sonic short comings of the SB. If you're interested in the best performance, I'd get a Transporter and 2150 with MauiMods.com's upgrades. If you're going to roll your own speakers, then I look into the DEQX.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
crooner;180104 Wrote: Which is only useful when using the digital volume control. In my case, I prefer to have my preamp do the signal attenuation. Sorry, I was joking actually. I have no idea if that's even true or not... -- Skunk

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter has been tested REFERENCE by STEREOPLAY (german)

2007-02-13 Thread Fifer
My German is lousy but Babelfish managed this with the article's summary: Measurements: 10/10 Practice[?]: 8/10 Priority[?]: 10/10 With the transporter it created SlimDevices as a pioneer in things network Player, speaks this still recent equipment kind around the first High end representative

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread crooner
LOL!!! In any case, the TP's many features are more likely to attract people who want to have a single digital component handle pretty much everything including preamplification. -- crooner SB3 with Custom Linear Power Supply Lite Audio DAC-60 Tube DAC VPI Scout with Benz Micro Glider M2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
The jitter measurement wasn't spectacular exactly. Comparing to the SB3's measurements it even looks a bit more messy. Perhaps their equipment is outdated. (Still doesn't explain the relative diff though..) The conclusion that Despite it receiving data via a WiFi link, and despite its relatively

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
slimkid;180069 Wrote: Which one? 'All XLRs are the same' or 'Various interconnects differ'? :) That single ended interconnetcs audibly differs, but balanced do not. I've only heard two versions of this before: Interconnects differ (balanced or single ended), and interconnects are all the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter has been tested REFERENCE by STEREOPLAY (german)

2007-02-13 Thread truckfighters
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- truckfighters Transporter - REDGUM RGASIL - REDGUM RGi120ENR AMP - REDGUM LS Cable - Infinity Kappa 8.1i - Live! truckfighters's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7852 View

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
Ok so bottom line is that I can go and buy a xlr - rca cable , where the xlr will be the out from the lavry and the rca will feed the input on the amp, and I am not missing some extra quality of the lavry by not having balanced xlr inputs on the amp ? would this cable be what I am looking for ?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread ezkcdude
Thanks, for pointing to the article. I also noticed The Shins' Wincing the Night Away was the recording of the month, which was a no-brainer. I actually just saw them in concert last night, and they were awesome! -- ezkcdude DIY projects page: http://www.ezdiyaudio.com System: SB3-EZDAC-MIT

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] SB3 with Arcam Delta Blackbox 50 DAC

2007-02-13 Thread anko
When I connect the digital output of the SB3 to the digital input of an Arcam Blackbox 50 DAC, there’s no signal (no sound). I use the coax cable with RCA connectors that came with the Blackbox. The strange thing is, when I connect the optical output of the SB3 to the optical input of the BB 50

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread jeffmeh
You might also want to consider doing digital room correction in the software domain, using something like the Inguz plugin. Kind of like having your cake and eating it too -- jeffmeh jeffmeh's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
thingfish;180145 Wrote: Ok so bottom line is that I can go and buy a xlr - rca cable , where the xlr will be the out from the lavry and the rca will feed the input on the amp, and I am not missing some extra quality of the lavry by not having balanced xlr inputs on the amp ? would this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread Nikhil
I'm using your option A with an SB2 + TacT S2150XDM. I am perfectly happy with the setup, though I have often wondered if replacing the SB2 with a Transporter would make a clearly noticeable difference. I have noticed slightly better sound when playing the same material through a Cyrus CD8 with

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
P Floding;180155 Wrote: Yes, but if you are getting a Lavry you might want to invest a little bit more on the cable. Those RCAs look very cheap indeed. (Loss of grip with the grounding ring giving substandard contact would be my main concern.) Yea ... but the Lavry is already mine and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
P Floding;180124 Wrote: Do you twist them together with just the lacquer for insulation? Sure would make me feel nervous! I read somewhere that 90% of the world's electricity goes through magnet wire. The varnish is designed not to short in tightly wound coils etc., otherwise it wouldn't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread tomjtx
try bluejeans cables, well built and inexpensive. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32699

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread pablolie
...to add the Transporter to the setup. It's only a matter of time until someone claims that we need audiophile ripping tools, possibly even network drives that specialize on audio content or something. Especially the audiophile ripping tool may be something our way, I'd expect - a mechanically

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
I don't understand your point guys. I totally understand what many feel that most of hyper-expensive cables do not have enough of real advantage in physical parameters to justify the price. I don't, however, understand that desire to keep things oversimplified - lamp cord, magnet wire, etc. Yes,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread opaqueice
Eric Carroll;180082 Wrote: Is perhaps one of the confusing things in this discussion the difference between a single person, single trial negative result (i.e. null) vs a single person multiple trial negative result/positive results vs multiple person multiple trials? Multiple trials add

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread hirsch
snarlydwarf;180098 Wrote: Can't we all agree on some basic realities: 1) Human perception is easily fooled by a variety of influences (loouder, hints, expectations, etc... some obvious, some subtle) 2) Removing as many external influences as possible is necessary to do any scientific test

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter review now up on Stereophile

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
P Floding;180121 Wrote: The jitter measurement wasn't spectacular exactly. Comparing to the SB3's measurements it even looks a bit more messy. Perhaps their equipment is outdated. (Still doesn't explain the relative diff though..) JA measures jitter on analog outs - can anyone comment how

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread jmsun
Unfortunately I'm using MAC. jeffmeh;180154 Wrote: You might also want to consider doing digital room correction in the software domain, using something like the Inguz plugin. Kind of like having your cake and eating it too -- jmsun

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread jeffmeh
jmsun;180189 Wrote: Unfortunately I'm using MAC. I believe I saw a post that the Inguz author was thinking of porting it to the Mac. Perhaps it's worth going with the Transporter and Amp, and implementing the room correction when it is available. Alternatively, you could set up an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread opaqueice
325xi;180181 Wrote: I don't understand your point guys. I totally understand what many feel that most of hyper-expensive cables do not have enough of real advantage in physical parameters to justify the price. I don't, however, understand that desire to keep things oversimplified - lamp

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Ben Diss
I use 12/4 industrial cable purchased from Lowes. http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/interconnects/DIYSpeakerCablesp2.html -- Ben Diss 'SB3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html) - 'Lavry DA10' (http://www.lavryengineering.com/productspage_da_10.html) - 'BAT VK-31SE'

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
There's plenty of DVD burners available these days, and they are cheap. Which of them are better for highest quality CD ripping - DAE? By better I mean more accurate DAE, not necessarily faster. -- 325xi simaudio nova cdp simaudio moon i-5 revel performa m20 via acoustic zen matrix

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-13 Thread g_ghirardi
Anyone has any suggestion on which valves to buy to substitute the originals? I am reasonably happy with the DAC-60, but it simply cannot compare to the internal analogue-digital converter of my beautifl Jolida jd100s (CD Player) with two Sovtek 12AX7LPS mounted in. My last test was to connect

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Deaf Cat
Hiya, Had a linear psu since Christmas and I've noticed today that the bass is heaver now, than when initially pluged in Other changes (since Christmas) have been slight but this is quite noticable :) Do you know how burning/running in a linear psu affects output? Cheers :) -- Deaf Cat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
325xi;180206 Wrote: I agree, but would like to emphasise that I compared simple vs. technically advanced, and not cheap vs. expensive. Let's pretend price has nothing to do with that just to get a picture. I always prefer the most simple method, and the cheapest method- given equal results.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
How do you know the Squeezebox didn't finally reach the 1K hr mark? That's when the sound becomes more analog, which is what you may be hearing as increased bass ;-) -- Skunk Skunk's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
snarlydwarf;180098 Wrote: Can't we all agree on some basic realities: 1) Human perception is easily fooled by a variety of influences (loouder, hints, expectations, etc... some obvious, some subtle) Good post, I agree with your points. Most people accept the truth of optical illusions.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
Hirsch, I should have read your posting first. Totally agree, excellent post. Thanks. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
That rule saying you need balanced connection only for long runs originates from way back to last century, where level of EMI/RF at homes was so much lower. Remembering ongoing discussion on PSU for SB, cables are guilty for pickup all EMI/RF junk around. People reported using especially well

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
Ben, As per the lavry manual it says Note: Most XLR cable adaptors (such as a cable with XLR Female and a ¼ inch MONO plug) work correctly as Balanced to Unbalanced converters. Does that mean that I can leave the lavry on default , that is balanced, and have the cable convert the signal ? Do I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Lanctot
325xi;180201 Wrote: Is dBpowerAMP as good as EAC on good (not damaged) CDs? Should be. What happens if CD has problems - will dBpowerAMP let me know so I can process that CD manually with EAC afterwards, or it'll skip the error and just continue? That's the problem. I haven't tried the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread Codmate
Anything by Plextor at 1x speed. -- Codmate Codmate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7154 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32725

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Deaf Cat
Supose it could have done... Did not know about the 1k hr thing, how on earth did that marker point come about? -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread Codmate
I've been wondering about balanced RCA connectors for a while... How can they possibly be balanced without 3 pins?! Also - I'm currently using mono 1/4 TRS - XLR leads to get from my PC's B/O box to my active monitors. Is this set-up balanced (the outputs on the B/O box (M-Audio OmniStudio)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
I am very skeptical about the whole burn in idea when it comes to electronics. Speakers sure , they have mechanical parts and stuff but I dont see the logic behind a piece of electronic becoming better with time ? I am an electrical engineer btw, not that it matters but never seen anything to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
Deaf Cat;180238 Wrote: Supose it could have done... Did not know about the 1k hr thing, how on earth did that marker point come about? My point was one of illustration, i.e. there is no proof the power supply made the difference. To the engineer, however, I might ask: do capacitors possess

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Pat Farrell
Skunk wrote: My point was one of illustration, i.e. there is no proof the power supply made the difference. To the engineer, however, I might ask: do capacitors possess the ability to change, and how might that change affect the reaction to transients in the device in question? I'm not a EE,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Bob Bressler
This has been a particularly thought provoking thread - thanks! Skunk;180213 Wrote: FWIW I've probably read every page on the roger russell site :-) The Science Fiction movie/book page is a good one.. Skunk - thanks for this pointer, there were several I had not read. -- Bob Bressler Bob

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
thingfish;180235 Wrote: Ben, As per the lavry manual it says Note: Most XLR cable adaptors (such as a cable with XLR Female and a ¼ inch MONO plug) work correctly as Balanced to Unbalanced converters. Does that mean that I can leave the lavry on default , that is balanced, and have the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Codmate;180239 Wrote: I've been wondering about balanced RCA connectors for a while... How can they possibly be balanced without 3 pins?! Also - I'm currently using mono 1/4 TRS - XLR leads to get from my PC's B/O box to my active monitors. Is this set-up balanced (the outputs on the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
Everything in the universe is subject to change in one way or another ( well almost everything ) but when it comes to hifi equipment I just dont see how a change would improve anything, if there is one, it should be a negative change if anything , as in a degredation of the curcuits. Burning in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
Pat Farrell;180248 Wrote: I'm not a EE, but I hire them. Short term, a capacitor is fully formed in a few thousand cycles, which if you feed 50 or 60 hZ AC, is just a few seconds. If you feed it high frequency audio, it will be fully formed in a second or so. Thanks Pat. DeafCat, I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
Skunk;180109 Wrote: Because it's an Anti-Cable! * http://anticables.com/technical.html ** http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html Thanks for the references. Colour me better educated. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread ErikM
I've just got to chime in here.. Many years ago I was lucky enough to tour the Mark Levinson factory ( Madrigal Labs) I was talking with one of the designers/ engineers about why they burn in everything He said that a component would measure differently after being up and running for 24-48

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Very nice post Hirsch! I have been speculating about the possibility that critical or concentrated listening modifies the way we hear things, and make many qualitative judgements harder to make than if we listen more relaxed over longer time periods. The brain is amazingly good at filling in

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread Codmate
P Floding;180255 Wrote: The aren't. You use half of a balanced connection (the XLR output) going into a single-ended RCA. Balanced just means that we have to signals that are exact mirror images of each other in two different wires, and a third wire for earth. Thanks :) ...but what about

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
I started using my Krell KSA-50S again recently, after years being unused. Initially it sounded very good, but bass light. After a week or so the bass was much better. Now I have no complaints at all. I then read that large electrolytic capacitors that are unused lose a lot of their capacity, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
P Floding;180258 Wrote: Yes, I know about their usual usage in transformers, etc. But they don't move about much in those applications. Rubbing against each other in speaker cables sounds more risky to me. You are of course right. The durability of the varnish is questionable if twisted very

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread thingfish
I know I will need one for each channel. Might as well get the cheap ones just to play with I guess. Should be getting sound from it either way I hope. If not ... anyone want to buy a lavry ? :P P Floding;180253 Wrote: There is no conversion going on. A balanced cable has two single ended

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Balanced output/input what is the deal ?

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Codmate;180266 Wrote: Thanks :) ...but what about my mono 1/4 TRS - XLR? No problem either. The XLR will have one signal pin connected to earth, and the other connected to the sigle ended signal coming in from the 1/4. Since balanced inputs compare both incoming signals it doesn't matter if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread ezkcdude
Hirsch makes some great points. So, what do we need then? I would suggest that having some sort of blind test should be part of the solution. But, as Hirsch points out, the DBT, itself, may have some problems. If one of the problems with DBT is the short duration, and hence, listening pressure,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter has been tested REFERENCE by STEREOPLAY (german)

2007-02-13 Thread tgoldstone
I thought a translation into Jive would be relevant to this thread. :) Wid de transpo'ta' it created SlimDevices as some pionea' in wahtahmelluns netwo'k Player, speaks dis still recent equipment kind around da damn fust 'Sup, dudegh end representative too 'estend fo' it da damn processin' and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Q:'quality' speaker cable

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Skunk;180268 Wrote: You are of course right. The durability of the varnish is questionable if twisted very tightly. I think Speltz recommends 3-4 twists per foot which shouldn't be enough to short IMO. I didn't plan on putting it in the vise+drill or anything. I believe they've moved to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Irritating whistle on right channel from SB3

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
I was comparing the Stereophile Transporter review to the SB3 review. And guess what? Stereophile shows in its testing the tone observed in this thread and others. See www.stereophile.com/budgetcomponents/906slim/index3.html The right channel, however, produced ... a cluster of spectral

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter has been tested REFERENCE by STEREOPLAY (german)

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
Fifer;180115 Wrote: I think we get the drift. Really? wow. Your Babelfish interpolator is far better than mine. -- Eric Carroll Transporter-Bryston 3B SST-Paradigm Reference Studio 60 v.4 SB3-Rotel RB890-BW Matrix 805 SB3-Pioneer VSX-49TXi-Mirage OM7+C2+R2

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Robin Bowes
P Floding wrote: I started using my Krell KSA-50S again recently, after years being unused. Initially it sounded very good, but bass light. After a week or so the bass was much better. Now I have no complaints at all. Are you sure? Did you ABX that? ;) R.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread tyler_durden
These days, almost any drive will work fine. The hardware is all about the same and there's no need to slow down to 1X. Use software that extracts the data from the disk accurately. Exact Audio Copy seems to be the accepted standard, though I have used Feurio for much faster extraction. TD

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
jmsun;180058 Wrote: Either option costs about $4000, option A obviously offers pure digital amp plus room correction; B may have a edge on DAC and overall sound quality. I went option B. Don't forget *good speakers*, which are, IMHO more important than good amp for the set of amps that are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread Wombat
The most hyped drive atm seems to be the Plextor PX-230a cause of its accurate way to report C2 errors. -- Wombat Wombat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4113 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Robin Bowes;180288 Wrote: P Floding wrote: I started using my Krell KSA-50S again recently, after years being unused. Initially it sounded very good, but bass light. After a week or so the bass was much better. Now I have no complaints at all. Are you sure? Did you ABX that? ;) R.

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC Mag review of SB3

2007-02-13 Thread krochat
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2090976,00.asp No comment on sound - they said the menu system was hard to navigate. -- krochat -- SB3 (+linear) - Big Ben - TacT RCS 2.2X - 2xS2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT W210

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
tyler_durden;180292 Wrote: These days, almost any drive will work fine. The hardware is all about the same and there's no need to slow down to 1X. Use software that extracts the data from the disk accurately. Exact Audio Copy seems to be the accepted standard, though I have used Feurio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter has been tested REFERENCE by STEREOPLAY (german)

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Eric Carroll;180284 Wrote: Really? wow. Your Babelfish interpolator is far better than mine. I got the drift. It's the usual techno-babble.. ;-) -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC Mag review of SB3

2007-02-13 Thread Mark Lanctot
Turns out there are some pretty glaring errors in that review: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=32512 ...for example, it apparently doesn't support MP3! -- Mark Lanctot It's like, you know, a New Age religion, but with better treble response. - Jon Heal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread opaqueice
hirsch;180186 Wrote: Placebo's do work...both ways. Expectancy can eliminate a real difference as easily as it can produce a false positive. We talked about this before on this forum - the hypthesis that the stress of blind tests reduced people's hearing abilities was termed blinditis.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
Skunk;180326 Wrote: You hit on an important point, though have failed to make the connection I'm afraid. EAC is free, and capable of making any drive perform perfect extraction- when set up properly. Your enthusiasm for perfect rips renders the question moot, IMO :-) Yah,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
Hey people, you wanna say there's no tool that can do perfect rip while having fancy of doing tag work for me??? I refuse to believe in that! Anyways, what are my options if EAC is a given? What's the best way to flac the files, and to apply tags and album art as easy/fast as possible? Foobar,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
opaqueice;180328 Wrote: We talked about this before on this forum - the hypthesis that the stress of blind tests reduced people's hearing abilities was termed blinditis. It's quite a lot to buy - that people think they can hear a difference sighted or blind, but when blind they are stressed

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread snarlydwarf
P Floding;180332 Wrote: It's all very interesting, and I hope more research is done in this area. However, I don't think the hobbyists called audiophiles should have to keep this in mind every time the would like to endulge in their chosen hobby. I dunno, I think everyone should at least

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
325xi;180329 Wrote: Yah, indeeed. Nope, wrong :) Drive naturally capable of good DAE will simply work few times faster without losing quality - hardware error processing takes part of normal EAC load. It also gives you better chance of a good rip if you don't use EAC,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread ezkcdude
P Floding;180332 Wrote: However, I don't think the hobbyists called audiophiles should have to keep this in mind every time the would like to endulge in their chosen hobby. Actually, anyone who has performed DBT is automatically disqualified from audiophile status. At least, that's what it

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
snarlydwarf;180335 Wrote: I dunno, I think everyone should at least keep it in mind or it is (depending on whether you are a half-empty or half-full person I guess) easy to be suckered into buying the latest-area-51-gadget or risk missing out on something affordable that makes a real

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Deaf Cat
Its interesting stuff :) I power down everything at night now. My Arcam has developed a couple of faults over the few years I've had it, maybe from being on all the time?? and the new linear psu gets rather warm, so I think its probably good to give it a rest.? Maybe the psu has never

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
ezkcdude;180340 Wrote: Actually, anyone who has performed DBT is automatically disqualified from audiophile status. At least, that's what it says in the small print on the back of my membership card. No, that would be petty! We audiophiles can forgive and forget! ;-D I have occasionally

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
P Floding;180332 Wrote: However, I don't think the hobbyists called audiophiles should have to keep this in mind every time the would like to endulge in their chosen hobby. Well, while I try to be respectful of people who can hear a difference, I have to somewhat disagree with this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] PC Mag review of SB3

2007-02-13 Thread Anne
Dont trust pc magazines whatsoever. Saw a test of dvd recorders, my grandmother could have done a better job. -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Eric Carroll;180342 Wrote: Well, while I try to be respectful of people who can hear a difference, I have to somewhat disagree with this statement. I have been personally subjected to salespeople who promolgate unproven claims of better audio quality in order to extract money. The audio

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
Skunk;180337 Wrote: If you have to change the question to make your point then this will be no fun. You said speed wasn't a concern. You can't know anything is accurate without a checksum, which I'm thinking isn't incorporated into any drive's firmware. EAC is the best at disabling a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-13 Thread jeffmeh
Admittedly, there are a bunch of tools in play, but here is what I do: -Rip with EAC, set up to use FLAC as an external compressor to get FLAC files. Try to be diligent about the tags in EAC so I do not have to retag later. -Foobar to add replaygain (album and track) values. -MP3Tag if I need

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Deaf Cat;180343 Wrote: Its interesting stuff :) I power down everything at night now. My Arcam has developed a couple of faults over the few years I've had it, maybe from being on all the time?? and the new linear psu gets rather warm, so I give it a rest.? Maybe the psu has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread Eric Carroll
Ok, how about a sci.audiophile and alt.audiophile then? Or take the mods to the DIY forum. Personally I want to understand what is superstition and what is reproducible. I think the response on anti-aging creams is self-evident. If it claims efficacy I want to know it really works, not just

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread lanierb
From what I've read none of the newer DVD-RW drives are very good at DAE. EAC (or dbpoweramp) with Accuraterip is your answer because Accuraterip will tell you if you got it right or not. If not, simply redo that track. In my experience I don't think I've ever had to rip a track three times to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Best drive for highest quality CD ripping?

2007-02-13 Thread Skunk
325xi;180349 Wrote: OK, you're right. Vague question. I meant priority of quality over speed, but not that I like it slow (ripping). I don't know anyone who cares about ripping like we do, so I doubt we've met- but by 'people like us' I only meant audiophiles who consider putting all their

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] my ripping tool of choice

2007-02-13 Thread 325xi
Oh, that doesn't look good. I thought may be I can rip with EAC and ask dBpoweramp to do the rest, dunno if it's possible. I just noticed dBpoweramp Reference claim: Rip Securely digitally record audio CDs, with C2 error pointer support. Anyone knows what they mean saying Securely and C2 error

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-13 Thread crooner
Try the Amperex 7308s PQ, JAN or USN. Mid 60s vintage if possible. Even the cheaper 6DJ8 Bugle Boy made in Holland, gives you much better sound than the stock Electroharmonix. Also, upgrade the coupling caps to something better. I'm using Sonicaps from Sonic Craft but I've heard success

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Lite Audio DAC-60 thinking about getting one..

2007-02-13 Thread crooner
It is generally recognized Delta Sigma DACs have improved considerably in the past few years. However, there's still consensus that traditional parallel or ladder DACs sound better than Delta Sigmas. The Delta Sigma DACs are much cheaper to produce and that's pretty much why the traditional

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread snarlydwarf
Eric Carroll;180342 Wrote: You can always mod something, or sell something on non-performance features. Claims of performance and efficacy demand a higher standard, if you want my money. And it may be a case of getting More For The Buck. If using some special disc from a hardwood reduces

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter or Tact 2150XDM

2007-02-13 Thread jeffmeh
Eric Carroll;180295 Wrote: I went option B. Don't forget *good speakers*, which are, IMHO more important than good amp for the set of amps that are good enough (flat frequency response, THD = .5%, good power cube behaviour). And don't forget to check out

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
snarlydwarf;180363 Wrote: And it may be a case of getting More For The Buck. If using some special disc from a hardwood reduces vibration (which is counterintuitive... a hard substance wouldn't absorb as much as a soft wood), then would any hardwood do? Does it have to be ebony? Or would

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread snarlydwarf
P Floding;180365 Wrote: Look, it is not as if there is, or will be A TRUTH, that we can all just look up in a nice book and go by. You won't find it, and I won't and it is pointless demanding it. ... But see, that is incredibly anti-scientific. If something makes a discernable difference,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
snarlydwarf;180366 Wrote: ... But see, that is incredibly anti-scientific. If something makes a discernable difference, then it should be possible to show that. Even if it is wow, P Floding has incredible hearing, he can hear the difference, and we can -show- he can, though no one else

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] time for a DBT-free zone??

2007-02-13 Thread snarlydwarf
P Floding;180368 Wrote: I don't believe I have fantastic hearing. It may be better than average, but that doesn't mean much. Anyway, that idea was foremost hypothetical to forward a line of reasoning. And that has nothing to do with anything? You said you heard a difference with those wood

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Deaf Cat
Cheers ! Ah ha so when its said that some power amps have trouble on some big bass tracks its because the little caps have not charged with power quick enough to keep the big bass parts going, or something like that. I'm on the way to understanding [ if above is right :) ] Cool So we need

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread P Floding
Deaf Cat;180372 Wrote: Cheers ! Ah ha so when its said that some power amps have trouble on some big bass tracks its because the little caps have not charged with power quick enough to keep the big bass parts going, or something like that. I'm on the way to understanding [ if above is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] A Question for those who know something about burn in...

2007-02-13 Thread Deaf Cat
P Floding;180373 Wrote: There is a lot, lot more to it than that. But, yes, that can be one restricting factor. Yeer, I thought there may be a lot lot lot more to it :D So much to learn a :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's

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