Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
pski;604562 Wrote: on 5 way speakers? p depends what you mean... 5 drivers in a box? or something different? personally, 3-way is at the limit of traditional crossover design for me and I think passive crossovers sound universally dreadful, sucking the life out of the music. So, you could

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
OK so having managed to get Inguz working in its most basic form as an EQ for TOUCH+7.6 (with control of settings via the web UI only!) I thought I would have a go at getting Inguz DRC to run so I could compare with my TACT hardware solution. To save money (initially) I decided to use the TACT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
A really low freq XO is really bad done with passives components you get coils the size off footballs and it's still no good to much Z and nonlinearities in series with the speaker . You can se very large studio main moniters being 4 way (maybe more) but they ar all active and acoustically you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
My Behringer mic also need phantom power i actually got a small mixer for the phantom feed and to correct levels. The BEHRINGER UB802 EURORACK has been superseded by http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_802.htm?sid=d797fb4aad42fb1c23fa193052a6571d for 53£ ? it's very cheap but probably not

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;604592 Wrote: My Behringer mic also need phantom power i actually got a small mixer for the phantom feed and to correct levels. The BEHRINGER UB802 EURORACK has been superseded by http://www.thomann.de/gb/behringer_xenyx_802.htm?sid=d797fb4aad42fb1c23fa193052a6571d for 44£ ? it's

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
All 802 seems to be the same mixer in different ugly chassis :) I baffled by the low prices + spec are not to bad either, guess that the hobby recorders and home studio folks wants good gear but don't want to pay silly audiophile money. -- Mnyb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Mnyb;604601 Wrote: All 802 seems to be the same mixer in different ugly chassis :) I baffled by the low prices + spec are not to bad either, guess that the hobby recorders and home studio folks wants good gear but don't want to pay silly audiophile money. Ugly - but functional :-) home

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
I agree, Phil. I've chosen a three way active plus an an active sub. So you can go more than three way but it doesn't have to be in one box. Many good subs are quite large so the separation can be useful. I've heard Meridian and they sound great. However, I don't think digital active has a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Beatles 24 vs 16 bits...

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
Phil Leigh;603547 Wrote: Hmmm... thanks. As I said, it was just a quick listen :-) I was struck by certain instrumental sounds which were slightly louder, but that could have been achieved by frequency-dependant compression. Likewise the balance of vocals to backing track as the track

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
darrenyeats;604627 Wrote: I agree, Phil. I've chosen a three way active plus an an active sub. So you can go more than three way but it doesn't have to be in one box. Many good subs are quite large so the separation can be useful. I've heard Meridian and they sound great. However, I don't

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread michael123
Found some old measurements of Transporter on HiFi News http://www.milleraudioresearch.com/download2007/reports/apr07/slim_devices_transporter.html It is around 1000ps (Ouch!) What is it, do you know guys? Is it a jitter via SPDIF inputs? Then I am not surprised (and I do not care)..

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
Can anyone explain what is being recorded on the right channel in these screenshots from the Inguz site? I thought the idea was to playback a swept tone over the left and right speakers in turn and record the results - why does the other channel need to be recorded at all and what is in it?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread firedog
As far as I can understand - not much. There's no standard for measuring jitter Questions: where in the chain is it measured? What exactly is measured? At what frequency is the jitter measured? And with what equipment? So comparing 2 jitter measurements is like comparing the proverbial apples

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread michael123
Well, for dCS Debussy it is much less.. I'm curious how these Transporter measurements were collected.. +---+ |Filename: DEBUSSY_96_24.png| |Download:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread mlsstl
The OP seems to have disappeared from the thread, but I'm curious as to why a 5-way speaker is important to him. Is there something in particular he is trying to accomplish or that has caught his imagination? Or is it just a more must be better fascination? -- mlsstl

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
mlsstl;604668 Wrote: The OP seems to have disappeared from the thread, but I'm curious as to why a 5-way speaker is important to him. Is there something in particular he is trying to accomplish or that has caught his imagination? Or is it just a more must be better fascination? pski will be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
Can be interesting , multiway speaker have advantages in power-handling loudness and low distorsion at those levels .. It gets even better with steep active filters If you can get the rest to work ? PSKI's sig and other clues emphasize that he likes music at seismic levels :) -- Mnyb

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
And the stereophiles measurments. http://www.stereophile.com/content/slim-devices-transporter-network-music-player-measurements wich give better values or a banana to compare with the apples and oranges already collected :) Is it not soo that it is better feed via the network instead if

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
Mnyb;604641 Wrote: Many people makes the flawed non-logical conclusion that digital speakers is bad because they don't like the sound of the meridian's (I don't like all their models). It's like saying all beer is bad because you only tasted one brand. Mnyb, agreed. Darren --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] any ideas accepted

2011-01-23 Thread darrenyeats
Mnyb;604641 Wrote: But speakers is so much room acoustics and taste so one must try them. And all speakers bring their own house sound with them ? There is no transparent speakers . Some are more transparent than others. I agree none are transparent. Whenever you play anything you get a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread krzys
Hi Phil, I don't use Inguz tools any more, I use Audiolense now, but from what I remember the right channel records the sweep which is further used by the impluseprep to generate the inverse signal required to calculate the impulse response and then the impulse response of the correction filter.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
krzys;604722 Wrote: Hi Phil, I don't use Inguz tools any more, I use Audiolense now, but from what I remember the right channel records the sweep which is further used by the impluseprep to generate the inverse signal required to calculate the impulse response and then the impulse response

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread krochat
Phil Leigh;604586 Wrote: To save money (initially) I decided to use the TACT measurement microphone, but it needs phantom power. So I got a Tascam US-122L from eBay, for phantom power+mic pre-amp+usb recording. Phil, Sorry to break the news, but the TacT mic uses 9 volt phantom power -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Rega DAC - Has anyone auditioned one yet?

2011-01-23 Thread paulster
Just to confirm though, when you compared the DACmagic to the Rega, you did so via a USB connection from your laptop rather than the optical/coaxial input, or did you use an S/PDIF output? Whilst I'm not doubting that the Rega is going to be a better DAC I'd be very wary of choosing any DAC on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Inguz - my brain hurts!

2011-01-23 Thread Phil Leigh
krochat;604746 Wrote: Phil, Sorry to break the news, but the TacT mic uses 9 volt phantom power - the Tascam provides 48 volts. In all likelyhood you've fried the TacT mic. You can try it with the RCS and see if it's working OK. If so, you need to make a 9v phantom power cable like

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread michael123
spec says 10ps, measures - more than 1000ps Why so big difference? Why SNR in stereophile is 120db, and in HFN is merely 107db? Both are A-Weighted as I realized? Who can explain me? I just want to understand the measurements and from where the differences are coming.. -- michael123 Big

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-23 Thread stop-spinning
OK I have been messing around with the Duet and tried my best to test it as a transport by doing a fairly unscientific test using a Quad 99 CDP-2, which as some of you may know is a CD Player and DAC in one. Whereas some are saying that keeping the SB in stock form will never get me above mid-fi,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread michael123
OK I invested some more time: HiFi News actually test much better than Stereophile: their measurements are for full frequency range, not just for selected frequencies like 1Khz Hence, jitter of 800ps on 500Hz fails the jitter test.. Same also for SNR, the worst figures are around 8KHz, and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Jitter measurements..

2011-01-23 Thread Kal Rubinson
Compare apples to apples with JA's measurements of the Touch: http://www.stereophile.com/content/logitech-squeezebox-touch-network-music-player-measurements Kal -- Kal Rubinson Kal Rubinson's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S-Booster

2011-01-23 Thread evdplancke
c3p0;602945 Wrote: Hi, My Vdac ran very warm (hot) with the supplied wall wart, i measured output at 19 volts (not good). I changed to a Strontronics low ripple higher current SMPS, Vdac now cool and sounds better; cost about £10. Hi c3p0, To come back to your setup, are you using the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 5 way speakers anyone?

2011-01-23 Thread pski
just wondering -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] 5 way speakers anyone?

2011-01-23 Thread krzys
I tried, two cones a 15 and a 12 and three compression drivers with horns, digital crossover and active of course, 2 to 2.5 octaves by driver. A bit to much for domestic use, very hard to set up. I downsized it to only four ways ;-)) Chris -- krzys

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter keeps asking to update firmware?

2011-01-23 Thread dizzysnakepilot
I found a scan log, which says (in part) about some 24kHz files: 11-01-23 20:41:46.2577] Slim::Utils::Scanner::scanDirectory (320) Found 4 files in /Volumes/Iomega HDD 1/music [11-01-23 20:41:46.2593] Slim::Utils::Scanner::scanDirectory (333) Scanning: /Volumes/Iomega HDD 1/music/Keith

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter keeps asking to update firmware?

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
Going trough music folder instead of artist album etc is supposed to use the files without the tags ? Truly weird ? And using music folder gives you can't open file Is all music on the same external drive or is only some that resides on the external drive, for example 24 bit ? is this some

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-23 Thread diego
stop-spinning;604802 Wrote: OK I have been messing around ... Playing the same music using CD medium for the CDP and FLAC files for the SB, then flicking between the two using the remote, both myself and my son (16 years old and excellent hearing) listening carefully, could hear no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Quality of digital outs from the Squeezebox

2011-01-23 Thread Mnyb
stop-spinning;604802 Wrote: OK I have been messing around with the Duet and tried my best to test it as a transport by doing a fairly unscientific test using a Quad 99 CDP-2, which as some of you may know is a CD Player and DAC in one. Whereas some are saying that keeping the SB in stock