Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread TheOctavist
magiccarpetride wrote: OK, I guess I've misread Phil's reply. My point was why toss the baby out with the bath water? On the topic of hyperbole, I think many here are making a mountain out of a molehill. Taking someone's attestation of a subjective impression and attempting to twist it

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] MynB and other Audiophile types. Ive got a few high res purist recordings for offer..

2012-04-11 Thread TheOctavist
I wont post them publicly as the artists had said that I should be very , very selective with whom I give them out to.. but id be glad to share them with a few folks, so long as noone promises to torrent the damned things. it is chamber music. made with a HQ pair of stereo microphones, a

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter Digital-In with DEQ2496 in loop

2012-04-11 Thread MediaCenter
I am running Airplay using Airport Express into Transporter's digital-in. I wanted to do room correction on Airplay. Currently, room correction is applied using Inguz. I am thinking of buying DEQ2496 or something similar to insert it in the digital loop. Will this work?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Hifi/Speaker Test Track motherlode..

2012-04-11 Thread falconsoars
grego.speiser wrote: Grooveshark files are max 128 kbps mp3s. See help.grooveshark.com/customer/portal/articles/2130-audio-format-and-bit-rate-on-grooveshark Despite this limitation, I would welcome the possibility of accessing grooveshark through our squeezeboxen. This is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
TheOctavist wrote: bad analogy. he isn't adding anything. he is , at best, changing the wallpaper in the restaurant. That too could be a minor change that can produce a big difference in the subject's experience. No matter how much you try, you can't wiggle out of the subjectivist

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride wrote: That too could be a minor change that can produce a big difference in the subject's experience. No matter how much you try, you can't wiggle out of the subjectivist hellhole. Personal experiences are just that - when a wallpaper change in a restaurant improves the

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Enhanced Digital Output SBT App the Law of Unintended Consequences

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
A few days ago our esteemed senior member Triode created quite a stir when he published his Enhanced Digital Output App for SBT (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94512-Announce-Enhanced-Digital-Output-app-USB-Dac-and-192k-Digital-Ouput). The app is awesome, as it very efficiently and

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
mlsstl wrote: Personal experiences are just that - when a wallpaper change in a restaurant improves the perceived quality of the food, that is likely to be a one-off experience unique to an individual. Same thing with improving the sound of one's stereo by putting photos in the freezer ala

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride wrote: Just because someone discloses their impressions to other like-minded people doesn't automatically imply that the person who chooses to confess feels entitled to be respected or endorsed. Humans like to share, sharing is the spice of life, and people should not be

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread ralphpnj
magiccarpetride wrote: Good point. I have no problem agreeing that facts are facts, and that bits are bits and so on. But the fact remains (and it's also a cold hard fact) that many people I know are hearing differences in the resulting sound quality. How to reconcile these two bundles of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj wrote: Once again you act like the master politician, who when asked a direct question gives a totally unrelated answer. The issue at hand is whether or not the bit perfect digital audio data stream which goes from a stock SB Touch to an external DAC can be somehow improved so that

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride wrote: ...and people should not be afraid or feel stultified when it comes to enjoying life.) I understand there are cultural niceties one normally follows in casual social settings - you don't tell a new mother that her baby is ugly, even if it is - but that is not the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
ralphpnj wrote: One could use a little something called a double blind test to prove that the differences do not exist. And let's be very clear here, there are not two bundles of facts but only one set of facts (bits are bits) and one set of highly subjective assertions (hearing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
I agree. Forming an opinion based on one's experience and then insisting that others be equally impressed and convinced is highly uncivilized. It's a form of asocial behavior, and is never going to be met with enthusiasm. But it cuts both ways, though. Forming an opinion based on cold hard

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread darrenyeats
magiccarpetride wrote: Double blind listening tests are tricky at best because they tend to deliver a lot, and I mean a lot of false positives. There are well documented cases where sufficiently large population of double blind testers were reporting significant differences in the sound

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread aubuti
magiccarpetride wrote: There are well documented cases where sufficiently large population of double blind testers were reporting significant differences in the sound quality while in reality the experimenters were merely playing an identical configuration over and over and over. Please,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread ralphpnj
darrenyeats wrote: lol! A much better response than the long winded one I wrote. ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
darrenyeats wrote: The interesting thing IME is when you have a blind test and sighted test where everything else is the same...same tracks, system, loudness, A/B switching, snippet length etc and yet the impressions feel so different when listening blind. I think this is something that has

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread garym
A minor point: I've noticed many references in these forums and elsewhere to blind testing as if the participants in the test need blindfolds during the test. This is rarely the case. A double-blind test is one in which the subject doesn't know which stimulus is being applied (e.g., they don't

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread magiccarpetride
garym wrote: A minor point: I've noticed many references in these forums and elsewhere to blind testing as if the participants in the test need blindfolds during the test. This is rarely the case. A double-blind test is one in which the subject doesn't know which stimulus is being applied

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] The Hifi/Speaker Test Track motherlode..

2012-04-11 Thread TheOctavist
that grooveshark playlist is now a spotify one, courtesy of moi(and I added hundreds of tracks) http://open.spotify.com/user/129670382/playlist/7pDMb5UMTZubiFmAgZ2tAP TheOctavist's Profile:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread TheOctavist
aubuti wrote: Please, name at least one such study. I would be interested to see what the variables were, and if there were no variables (eg, everything constant except the listeners' psyches), how they did the statistics. I have done this often to bands I record(or to myself). I do a take,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread RonM
magiccarpetride wrote: Yes, that's a good correction. By 'blind' testing I mean subjecting the testers to some sort of a harness. In other words, placing them in some kind of unnatural situation where they tend to lose their sense as to which way is up. Often times such testers pretty much

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Blind listening - TT3.0, HWmods and Teddy Pardo PSU

2012-04-11 Thread mlsstl
magiccarpetride wrote: This is why blind tests are of little value, overall -- they just create a lot of stress and trepidation. Classic subjective response featuring the selective use of psychological issues in audio testing. Our poor, frightened test subjects are cowed into helpless