Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Julf
jkeny wrote: > I won't pursue this debate any more as it is, as usual, detrimental to > the forum. That seems to be jkenyspeak for "I will still keep on repeating my beliefs, I just won't answer any questions". The funny thing is that you still expect us to answer your questions. "To try to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Mnyb
That USB device what has it to do with these two DAC chips ? What do you mean by dismissed as inaudible btw . Most measurements of current equipment is measuring inaudible levels of everything no one dismisses these measurements ? If they are correct they simply presents some facts about the dev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
Mnyb wrote: > Foo measurement ?! Of course you must asses product performance even if > they happen to perform beyond human capability of hearing ? And > measurmant functions as sanity checks, if for some reason design errors > would creep into the project . > > (snip). I used the term Foo-meas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Mnyb
Foo measurement ?! Of course you must asses product performance even if they happen to perform beyond human capability of hearing ? And measurmant functions as sanity checks, if for some reason design errors would creep into the project . Sadly voodoo thinking has permeated in the brains of many

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread arnyk
jkeny wrote: > I have corrected your post by putting quotes around the piece that you > extracted from my site to differentiate it from your own comments - > otherwise it is somewhat confusing. > > That piece you quoted from my site is from a review of my devices which > you will find '_*here*_'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
I won't pursue this debate any more as it is the usual detrimental to the forum To answer questions about my SB device uses - look into my posting history here to see my SB devices & what I have tried to bring to the SB community. Those posts also have some bearing on the OP question in that I add

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Julf
jkeny wrote: > Squeezemenicely, got grilled by Arny for his post & yet cliveb's post > sails on by without comment on the "moral to be learned" from his post - > a far greater attempt at making a claim & generalising his personal > experience into a claim that applies universally. It is worth no

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Squeezemenicely
Wow, what happened to this thread? What started with a simple question and was answered with simple PERSONAL observations, turned to huge battle about nothing at all. Mainly a new platform for a person desperately trying to prove how utterly right he is and and how ignorant everybody else is. We

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
Julf wrote: > Interesting statement considering the fact that Cliveb started with "Let > me pass on a personal anecdote". Has anyone made any claims based on > that anecdote? It is understood by all who have no crusade that people who > post are talking about their personal experience & posting

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
arnyk wrote: > > jkeny wrote: > > > > Jkeny unveils his new deflection strategy - call every question a > > personal attack. > > > > OK, I can work with that. > > > > Let's take a little look at some of jkeny's marketing materials: > > > > https://sites.google.com/site/jkciunas/press > > >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Julf
jkeny wrote: > It appears to me that what is being demonstrated here is an attempt at > supporting Cliveb's conclusion based on a "blind test" that would hardly > be considered in any way reliable or scientific. Interesting statement considering the fact that Cliveb started with "Let me pass on

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread arnyk
jkeny wrote: > > Jkeny unveils his new deflection strategy - call every question a > personal attack. > > OK, I can work with that. > > Let's take a little look at some of jkeny's marketing materials: > > https://sites.google.com/site/jkciunas/press > > " > April 18th 2014 > The Ciunas is a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
arnyk wrote: > Do you know what reliable and scientific means?More personal insults > Do you know why "Blind test" is a phrase that golden ears commonly use > as a deflection?And again > Yes, the serious failings of the grotesquely flawed evaluations that you > have based your commercial future

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Mystery Solved - The source of this forum's crazies

2015-06-11 Thread rgro
arnyk wrote: > Google says that I made that post on 6/3/2015. They say that mimicry is > the most sincere form of flattery. I'm flattered! ;-) I'm so happy for you. And, to continue along those lines, along with your other remarkable qualities and exceptional skills, your facility with Google

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread arnyk
jkeny wrote: > It appears to me that what is being demonstrated here is an attempt at > supporting Cliveb's conclusion based on a "blind test" that would hardly > be considered in any way reliable or scientific. > Do you know what reliable and scientific means? Do you know why "Blind test" is

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
It appears to me that what is being demonstrated here is an attempt at supporting Cliveb's conclusion based on a "blind test" that would hardly be considered in any way reliable or scientific. And yet we hear such phrases as "violently anti-scientific" being paraded for the reader If you continue

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread arnyk
jkeny wrote: > I don't see how correcting someone making a mistaken conclusion based on > an ill-conceived test, is an area of darkness - I rather believe it > would throw more light on the issue. So Jkeny when are you going to admit to the foul sad truth about casual audiophile listening evalu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread arnyk
Julf wrote: > Why do I feel we are about to go down a long, dark alley about what > constitutes a "proper" blind test? Because of our correspondent's lengthy track record for utter denial and hypocrisy when it comes to his preferred but violently anti-scientific (on many grounds) format for list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
Julf wrote: > Why do I feel we are about to go down a long, dark alley about what > constitutes a "proper" blind test? I don't see how correcting someone making a mistaken conclusion based on an ill-conceived test, is an area of darkness - I rather believe it would throw more light on the issue.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread Julf
jkeny wrote: > The moral of the story is - do a proper blind test! Why do I feel we are about to go down a long, dark alley about what constitutes a "proper" blind test? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
cliveb wrote: > Be careful before you dismiss Michael's inability to hear a difference > as being down to age. > You say you hear clear differences between DACs, but have you made that > comparison blind? Until you've done that, the results of your comparison > really don't count. > > Let me pas

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] AKM4420 vs AKM4396

2015-06-11 Thread jkeny
arnyk wrote: > The problem is that the science of making technical measurements and the > performance of digital converters has never been well-informed by the > findings of psychoacoustics (because the developments in psychoacoustics > lagged), and we are therefore surrounded with a lot of hardw