Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-21 Thread Phil Leigh
udovdh;408670 Wrote: > What is the consensus for the power supply upgrade for a Squeezebox 3 > for someone in 230V land? (Europe...) > The SB v3 has 5V 2A mentioned at the bottom side. > The Unifive switched supply (100-230V) delivers that. > > This one can't? > http://www.russandrews.com/produc

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-21 Thread udovdh
What is the consensus for the power supply upgrade for a Squeezebox 3 for someone in 230V land? (Europe...) The SB v3 has 5V 2A mentioned at the bottom side. The Unifive switched supply (100-230V) delivers that. This one can't? http://www.russandrews.com/product.asp?lookup=1®ion=UK¤cy=GBP&pf_id=1

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Pat Farrell
Calum Mackay wrote: > I was asking whether it's theoretically possible to hear noise at that > low level. Of course, it depends on the reference level, but even so... > seems like a reasonable question. Sound does not have an absolute level. Its defined as a ratio of signals/sound/power. Humans

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Calum Mackay
Wombat wrote: > Well the consructor himself says: > "Soundwise there is also a more 'black' background. It amazes me how > there seems to be always room for improvement, a little darker > background, one more veil removed. Some songs seem to last a little > longer because you can hear just a little

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Pat Farrell
Phil Leigh wrote: > -140dB is inaudible. Way past inaudible. Realistically, -100dB is inaudible. From that, then -110 dB is no different than -140dB. In a lot of cases, engineers consider -70dB "completely gone" We are in angles dancing in the heads of pin territory -- Pat Farrell http://www.p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Phil Leigh
Wombat;408413 Wrote: > Well the consructor himself says: > "Soundwise there is also a more 'black' background. It amazes me how > there seems to be always room for improvement, a little darker > background, one more veil removed. Some songs seem to last a little > longer because you can hear just

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Wombat
cdmackay;408399 Wrote: > Wombat wrote: > > He obvioulsy has a decreased noise spectrum at the exit of his DAC > with > > better mains supply. > > the differences here seems to be down at the -140dBV level. Are we > seriously expecting to be able to hear changes at this level? > > cheers, > cal

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-20 Thread Calum Mackay
Wombat wrote: > He obvioulsy has a decreased noise spectrum at the exit of his DAC with > better mains supply. the differences here seems to be down at the -140dBV level. Are we seriously expecting to be able to hear changes at this level? cheers, calum. _

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-19 Thread Wombat
Maybe here you get some information you are looking for: http://gboers.xs4all.nl/daisy/home/g3/139/g1/cleanmains.html He obvioulsy has a decreased noise spectrum at the exit of his DAC with better mains supply. Pretty interesting stuff and measurements he offers there in other areas also. -- Wo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-15 Thread Phil Leigh
radish;406768 Wrote: > Right, so it reduces THD on the power supply. That's nice, but it > doesn't say anything about the audio. Absolutely. The assumption is that less noise in (from the mains) = less noise out, but as previously posted that would imply rubbish PSRR in the equipment being impro

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-15 Thread radish
Right, so it reduces THD on the power supply. That's nice, but it doesn't say anything about the audio. -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread Phil Leigh
DCtoDaylight;406006 Wrote: > Sorry, I'm just trying to make sure I understand what you're saying > When you say: > > > > is that the THD of the power supply? or the THD of the output from the > squeezebox? I suspect it's the power supply, but it's a bad idea to > assume anything in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread DCtoDaylight
c3p0;405951 Wrote: > The Power Regenerator measures input and output voltage, voltage > differential and input and output Total Harmonic distortion. I have > also my own meter and had previously used another device to monitor my > AC as I had concerns about its variablity. Sorry, I'm just trying

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread c3p0
The Power Regenerator measures input and output voltage, voltage differential and input and output Total Harmonic distortion. I have also my own meter and had previously used another device to monitor my AC as I had concerns about its variablity. If you look at page one of this thread the first e

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread radish
c3p0;405938 Wrote: > let me get thus right are you saying that the cheap standard AC-DC > convertor plug in type is inert to all forms of Harmonic Noise on the > AC? Of course I'm not saying that. Read my post again, concentrate on the last line. How did you measure the THD numbers you quote?

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread c3p0
radish;405923 Wrote: > Without evidence I don't see why you expect that, cost doesn't always > correlate to performance. The primary function of a wristwatch is to > tell the time accurately. By that measure, a $5 digital watch will > vastly outperform a $5000 Rolex. But of course, people don't b

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread radish
c3p0;405881 Wrote: > I was meaning that the low Power PSU's supplied by some manufactures are > the small plug in ac_dc power convertors and since they are relatively > cheap, it is not unreasonable to expect them to be less resistant to > noise than the expensive power supply of your amp or cd p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread Calum Mackay
this is most interesting... What I'm not seeing is the link between the small levels of DC noise apparently present, and audible differences to the music. And especially differences described in terms other than increased audible noise (i.e. reduced SNR). Is there any evidence around this area

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread c3p0
Here is an interesting article from Sound on Sound one of recording industry Mags,Regarding Ac power and its problems in the recording studio http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/Jul03/articles/mainsproblems.asp -- c3p0 c3p0'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread c3p0
radish;405878 Wrote: > A does not follow from B. Yes, the noise-rejection characteristics of a > PSU will vary depending on it's design and construction. But you then > jump to asserting that a PSU which is "low power" will have worse > noise-rejection than one which is "more expensive" and "bett

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread radish
c3p0;405861 Wrote: > So basiclly we are in agreement, noisy AC will give noisy DC, the level > of that noise in the ouput is dependant upon the design, construction > of the Power Supply and therefore we can expect the low power PSU's > suplied with the likes of some phono stages, cheaper DACs an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-12 Thread c3p0
So basiclly we are in agreement, noisy AC will give noisy DC, the level of that noise in the ouput is dependant upon the design, construction of the Power Supply and therefore we can expect the low power PSU's suplied with the likes of some phono stages, cheaper DACs and the Squeezebox to suffer o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-11 Thread DCtoDaylight
The first thing any power amp does is rectify the AC to DC and put it in big capacitors. Maybe sets of capacitors to get rid of all the AC ripple. Minor nit Actually, it's the -second- thing a power amp does. The first is to use a transformer to change the AC voltage level (up for tubes, do

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-11 Thread darrenyeats
As PolkThug remarks on that forum, it's ironic that some of the posters don't care much about measurements yet the thread is based on, and supports, the idea that differences ARE measurable! Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_c

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-10 Thread pryamomimo
For those who wanted to see some measurements. Just came across this while searching for something else on the web. Registration is needed to read that forum, so I am posting a link to Google cache. http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:C0OcSJ_GK8kJ:https://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php%3

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Pat Farrell
c3p0 wrote: > It is the noise and variable voltage and instability of the AC that can > affect the conversion of AC to DC, also certain household items can send > spikes and other noise onto the AC ring ie refrigerators kicking in. The first thing any power amp does is rectify the AC to DC and put

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread c3p0
No AC is what comes into your home not DC. It is the noise and variable voltage and instability of the AC that can affect the conversion of AC to DC, also certain household items can send spikes and other noise onto the AC ring ie refrigerators kicking in. obviously the more you spend on HiFI th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread mudlark
I've just looked at the stereophile article regarding power supplies and there is a sentence "In short, AC provides the raw material used by audio components to do their job. " What a load of old bollocks. It seems to read to me that the author is suggesting that AC is required to power an ampli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Calum Mackay
thanks for the link, Kuro. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Kuro
cdmackay;404778 Wrote: > Kuro wrote: > > cdmackay;404725 Wrote: > >> I wonder if that model supplies power normally from the battery, or > >> whether the battery is only there for backup? > >> > >> It seems to me that a simple battery really ought to be the > cleanest > >> source of power, and th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Kuro
darrenyeats;404783 Wrote: > Maybe I should ask the question more specifically. By score 100 vs 5 do > you mean: > 1. The power filter filters all but 10% of the noise, but a power > generator filters all but 0.5% ("20 times" better)? > or > 2. The power filter filters only 5% of the noise and the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread darrenyeats
Kuro;404656 Wrote: > The inductor core does not work well. It is far from the performance of > the PPP. If PPP scores 100, your power filter probably scores a 5. > > Just my $0.02 Maybe I should ask the question more specifically. By score 100 vs 5 do you mean: 1. The power filter filters all

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Calum Mackay
Kuro wrote: > cdmackay;404725 Wrote: >> I wonder if that model supplies power normally from the battery, or >> whether the battery is only there for backup? >> >> It seems to me that a simple battery really ought to be the cleanest >> source of power, and the cheapest. Has anyone tried this, for lo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Kuro
cdmackay;404725 Wrote: > I wonder if that model supplies power normally from the battery, or > whether the battery is only there for backup? > > It seems to me that a simple battery really ought to be the cleanest > source of power, and the cheapest. Has anyone tried this, for low-power > > s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread omega
cdmackay;404725 Wrote: > omega wrote: > > I Have tried with a true ONLine UPS from APC "APC SMART-UPS RT" > > > > I thought that could be a shepher solution than PS audio > "Powerplant" > > and vs Products. > > But the "APC SMART-UPS RT" in my system only make things worse. > > "Sounded" noisy an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread Calum Mackay
omega wrote: > I Have tried with a true ONLine UPS from APC "APC SMART-UPS RT" > > I thought that could be a shepher solution than PS audio "Powerplant" > and vs Products. > But the "APC SMART-UPS RT" in my system only make things worse. > "Sounded" noisy and added harmonics to the mains frequency.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-09 Thread omega
Hi! Yes good clean power, is in my opinion where to start. In my setup i have 2 regular isolation transformers 1:1 wiring. One Feeding the Analog equipment, and one for the digital stuff. Some "Ferrit" Magnets / Cores to reduce HF. (Only on the Main power cords) I have removed the Ferrit on th

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread Kuro
darrenyeats;404502 Wrote: > I use an inexpensive power filter (£40) which has an inductor in it to > filter out higher frequency noise. AFAIK this will give you 90% of what > you need in terms of clearing out the noise from AC. > > I am hardly an EE so if someone knows better please correct me.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread darrenyeats
I use an inexpensive power filter (£40) which has an inductor in it to filter out higher frequency noise. AFAIK this will give you 90% of what you need in terms of clearing out the noise from AC. I am hardly an EE so if someone knows better please correct me. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread c3p0
if the AC noise and fluctuations are affecting the sound of any squeezebox then they will affect your amp, cd player too in some way. A device like the PPP protects all the components of my system, the AC is held constant at 235 with a THD of less than 0.5 when the input is Variable with a THD of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread Calum Mackay
how would a UPS - one that provides full-time power via its batteries - perform in comparison? Or even just a battery, come that? e.g. house alarm type. That might seem a much cheaper way of providing clean 5V (or 9V) DC? cheers, calum. ___ audiophile

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread c3p0
I have one and all i can say is brilliant. I bought it to stop my poor AC supply from blowing my amps fuses (2 done in as many weeks). my power fluctuates between 256 and 227, now you dont have to be an electronic engineer like me to realise that fluctuations of that dynamic must affect the syste

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread Kuro
NewBuyer;403597 Wrote: > Actually what I would really appreciate, is if somebody would ever > explain exactly HOW the "unconditioned" power on our average home power > lines, can possibly cause our audio systems to sound bad. Do the > transformers and capacitors in the gear not filter out any of

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-08 Thread Kuro
cdmackay;403521 Wrote: > > Kuro;403381 Wrote: > >> You do not hear noise per se in your music, the noise manifests > itself > >> as loss in micro dynamics, less sound stage depth, loss of bass > >> tautness, loss in harmonics and increased high frequency content in > the > >> music. > > I always

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-05 Thread dub3000
ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distortion_(guitar)#Power_supply_.22sag.22 power sag is an actual real issue on terrible, underspecified power supplies - amplifying bass can suck a lot of power and if the power supply can't push enough current (more of a problem for energy-wasteful class A rigs

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-05 Thread NewBuyer
Actually what I would really appreciate, is if somebody would ever explain exactly HOW the "unconditioned" power on our home power lines, can possibly cause our audio systems to sound bad. Do the transformers in the gear not filter out any of the crud? If not, how exactly then can this cause an

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-05 Thread Calum Mackay
> Kuro;403381 Wrote: >> You do not hear noise per se in your music, the noise manifests itself >> as loss in micro dynamics, less sound stage depth, loss of bass >> tautness, loss in harmonics and increased high frequency content in the >> music. I always struggle somewhat with these descriptions,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-03-05 Thread Kuro
AC noise is every bit as real and is found in practically all our homes. You do not hear noise per se in your music, the noise manifests itself as loss in micro dynamics, less sound stage depth, loss of bass tautness, loss in harmonics and increased high frequency content in the music. The only

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-02-27 Thread occam
sxr71;401173 Wrote: > Yeah but people buy $5000 power cables and useless crap like that which > couldn't make 5% of the difference of regenerated power. I saw an > online UPS for $399. I'll bet anything it will make more of a > difference than any snake-oil impregnated power cable you can find.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2009-02-27 Thread sxr71
Nonreality;338652 Wrote: > So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. I do run filters but > didn't notice any sound difference but my plasma display improved > enough to be noticeable. It got rid of the occasional blocks that > happen on screen changes. Any sound quality that I may have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-22 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;343002 Wrote: > not at the moment - just had to unexpectedly purchase new laptop for > eldest daughter returning to Uni for her final year... Her old PC died > in spectacular circumstances about 1 hour after we dropped her off > yesterday at her digs. Also I have a trip to Vienna this

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-22 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;342826 Wrote: > Is the checkbook getting hot Phil? :) not at the moment - just had to unexpectedly purchase new laptop for eldest daughter returning to Uni for her final year... Her old PC died in spectacular circumstances about 1 hour after we dropped her off yesterday at her digs.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-21 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;341534 Wrote: > Indeed - it seems on-line is easy, but "simulated sine wave" is also > easy... > Might try one anyway, since a switching PSU won't care about the > waveform... Is the checkbook getting hot Phil? :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WH

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-17 Thread Phil Leigh
DeVerm;341490 Wrote: > Remember the two keywords: on-line and true-sine. It needs both for > audio use in addition of being of decent design & quality... there's a > lot of different forms of "true-sine" out there... > > cheers, > Nick. Indeed - it seems on-line is easy, but "simulated sine wa

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-17 Thread DeVerm
Remember the two keywords: on-line and true-sine. It needs both for audio use in addition of being of decent design & quality... there's a lot of different forms of "true-sine" out there... cheers, Nick. -- DeVerm DeVerm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-17 Thread Browny
pfarrell;341156 Wrote: > Browny wrote: > > Phil Leigh;340591 Wrote: > >> Now, if I could only find one that was: > >> 1) on-line > >> 2) cheapish > >> 3) smallish > > > > This may be what you're looking for: > > http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130479 > > > > Thats a lot of UPS for £38.99 >

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-17 Thread Nonreality
Phil Leigh;341003 Wrote: > My chequebook is still in my pocket. The scope is coming down out of the > loft...But what about after the scope? :) I see the checkbook coming out if > it has a lot of squggles. :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RU

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread Pat Farrell
Browny wrote: > Phil Leigh;340591 Wrote: >> Now, if I could only find one that was: >> 1) on-line >> 2) cheapish >> 3) smallish > > This may be what you're looking for: > http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130479 > > Thats a lot of UPS for £38.99 Er, as an audiophile, you don't want an inexpensi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread Pale Blue Ego
DeVerm;338540 Wrote: > After reading some pages on wikipedia, I understand that the definition > of audiophile has changed over the years. They are now considered > non-technical, which makes me understand many postings in this forum > better. I had to laugh at this - and I'm guilty, too. Yes,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread browellm
It's not on-line though -- browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14260 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=52348

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread Browny
Phil Leigh;340591 Wrote: > > Now, if I could only find one that was: > 1) on-line > 2) cheapish > 3) smallish > > I could give it a try. This may be what you're looking for: http://www.ebuyer.com/product/130479 Thats a lot of UPS for £38.99 -- Browny http://www.last.fm/user/BrownySV/

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread SuperQ
Phil Leigh;340591 Wrote: > Now, if I could only find one that was: > 1) on-line > 2) cheapish > 3) smallish > > I could give it a try. Liebert UPStaation GXT2 comes in 700, 1000, and 1500 VA versions. Ranging between $500 and $900. -- SuperQ -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread Phil Leigh
Nonreality;340883 Wrote: > Look how you have gotten people pulling out their checkbooks Nick. > Shall we start a business? As you have seen, I would have to be a > silent partner. :) My chequebook is still in my pocket. The scope is coming down out of the loft... -- Phil Leigh You want to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-16 Thread Nonreality
DeVerm;340802 Wrote: > Just test your system like I describe in an earlier post in this thread. > The UPS will not make a difference if your AC is clean already or if any > noise on your AC doesn't make it to your speakers. Both scenarios can be > measured by everyone who -knows- how to use a sco

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread DeVerm
Just test your system like I describe in an earlier post in this thread. The UPS will not make a difference if your AC is clean already or if any noise on your AC doesn't make it to your speakers. Both scenarios can be measured by everyone who -knows- how to use a scope. Even if you have to pay so

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread browellm
I've been looking at them here: http://www.cppsales.com/section/100/1/rielloupsdialogplus Price seems decent, although there's VAT to add. -- browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh
The main USP of these UPS's (sorry) for us is the fact that with an on-line UPS the connected equipment is never connected to the mains... It seems to me that ANY equipment could benefit from using a synthesised, battery powered AC supply. However, looking at my gear it's my 6 power amps that dra

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread browellm
Come to think of it, my Art Audio Quintet is already modded with a Border Patrol PSU, so I would only really need to hook up the other components. -- browellm browellm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?us

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread Phil Leigh
browellm;340579 Wrote: > So, back on thread for a moment, if I wanted to give this a whirl what > what be an appropriate size for one of the commercially available > on-line UPS? It looks as though they start at 700VA - would this be > enough for a CD Player, Transporter, Preamp, and triode powe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-15 Thread browellm
So, back on thread for a moment, if I wanted to give this a whirl what what be an appropriate size for one of the commercially available on-line UPS? It looks as though they start at 700VA - would this be enough for a CD Player, Transporter, Preamp, and triode power amp? -- browellm --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-14 Thread Nonreality
pfarrell;339988 Wrote: > Nonreality wrote: > > These are bad examples and misleading our young cooks out there. > > Put quary tiles or granite, or even bricks in oven. Preheat for a long > time. Then cook pizza. All else is snake oil or $4000 interconnectsIs that > your final answer? -- Non

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-13 Thread Pat Farrell
Nonreality wrote: > These are bad examples and misleading our young cooks out there. Put quary tiles or granite, or even bricks in oven. Preheat for a long time. Then cook pizza. All else is snake oil or $4000 interconnects ___ audiophiles mailing list

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-13 Thread darrenyeats
Nonreality;339913 Wrote: > Don't use the microwave for Pizza. Bad for the crust. Next time use a > heat lamp if you must use a light bulb. The oven might be a better > way. These are bad examples and misleading our young cooks out there. > :) I don't rate microwaved porridge, baked potatoes, v

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-13 Thread Nonreality
Don't use the microwave for Pizza. Bad for the crust. Next time use a heat lamp if you must use a light bulb. The oven might be a better way. These are bad examples and misleading our young cooks out there. :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE R

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-12 Thread radish
DeVerm;339835 Wrote: > pls. write about what you actually know about, and not just statements > that you could know are not true by checking it on the web. > Welcome to the Audiophile forum! You must be new here :) -- radish ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-12 Thread DeVerm
rayiner;339808 Wrote: > Say your microwave cooks a pizza in 100 seconds at 1,000 watts (ie: 100 > kJ of delivered energy). By your reasoning, I can accomplish the same > effect by leaving the pizza next to a 25 watt lightbulb (say 10 watts > actually hitting the pizza) for about 3 hours. Try it s

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-12 Thread rayiner
> Yes, so it takes a cellphone way longer to cook your brain. A rough > estimate: only 30% of radiated RF from phone enters brain, let's keep > that at only 100 mW. A microwave big enough for my head is indeed > 1000W. So with only 100mW the phone needs 10,000 times as long to > damage my brain co

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread DeVerm
iPhone;339350 Wrote: > I hope you are not being serious. First, RF energy is Non-ionizing > radiation. This means that the effects are not cumulative and that the > only possible damage is on a cellular level that the body can and will > repair So, you know that brain cells (= neurons I read) ar

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread Skunk
opaqueice;338672 Wrote: > Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer > speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit > dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. > Try with the Boom, it's really well shielded/designed, and doesn't m

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread Themis
Nonreality;338853 Wrote: > A man can dream, can't he? :)A man must dream. If he doesn't dream, he's > already dead. :) -- Themis SB3 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread iPhone
DeVerm;338740 Wrote: > yeah, imagine what it's doing to your brain every time you use the phone > ;-) microwave cooking = power x timesetting and it's on the same freq as > the phone... so when you call a lot you'll cook until well done. Now > your body is supposed to keep up by repairing cells o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread DeVerm
opaqueice;339297 Wrote: > I've never had a look at the relevant medical physics, but I believe the > absorption of power at cell phone frequencies by brain cells is > extremely low. I would guess that much more heating occurs in your > brain just by standard heat flow from the warmth of the phon

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-11 Thread opaqueice
DeVerm;338740 Wrote: > yeah, imagine what it's doing to your brain every time you use the phone > ;-) microwave cooking = power x timesetting and it's on the same freq as > the phone... so when you call a lot you'll cook until well done. Now > your body is supposed to keep up by repairing cells o

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-10 Thread Nonreality
DeVerm;338663 Wrote: > > > BTW: you don't sound like you're in your teens anymore so what does it > matter for you? your ears are dead meat already, just like mine :) > > ciao! > Nick.A man can dream, can't he? :) -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread DeVerm
opaqueice;338672 Wrote: > Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer > speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit > dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. > > Not exactly the same thing we were talking about, but it shows it'

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread opaqueice
Nonreality;338652 Wrote: > So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. Try bringing an iphone near any powered-on stereo system (or computer speakers, or telephone for that matter). You'll here this annoying dit dit ditdit noise when the iphone is downloading data. Not exactly the same thi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread DeVerm
Phil Leigh;338588 Wrote: > I have a dual-trace 66 meg scope... > I'll have a look on the net. Scan through the timebase-settings so that you get up to at least 10 MHz. It's been at least 10 years since I used a scope... sold mine when we moved aboard ;-( Also, HAM shops will sell RF-blocking fi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread DeVerm
Nonreality;338652 Wrote: > So what do you hear when you get noise from AC. I do run filters but > didn't notice any sound difference but my plasma display improved > enough to be noticeable. It got rid of the occasional blocks that > happen on screen changes. Any sound quality that I may have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread Nonreality
DeVerm;338540 Wrote: > I agree with SuperQ that a true-sine, on-line ups is the best solution. > > DCtoDaylight: that -is- a 1-box, easy to put in, solution. > > Nonreality: I wouldn't hear it as I live on a boat and almost always > have to make my own AC. Right now we are in a marina and we ha

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread Phil Leigh
I have a dual-trace 66 meg scope... I'll have a look on the net. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread DeVerm
Phil Leigh;338567 Wrote: > Well, can these UPS's deliver 3.25 kW of continuous power? I might try > one that could... I actually owned a 48 kW version that would just fit into the room... I see many that would fit your requirements on Amazon, just search it for UPS and make sure you look at on-l

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread Phil Leigh
Well, can these UPS's deliver 3.25 kW of continuous power? I might try one that could... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplet

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread DeVerm
I agree with SuperQ that a true-sine, on-line ups is the best solution. DCtoDaylight: that -is- a 1-box, easy to put in, solution. Nonreality: I wouldn't hear it as I live on a boat and almost always have to make my own AC. Right now we are in a marina and we have shore-power. However, we feed t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-09 Thread Nonreality
You have to be kidding here, right? This is something you actually hear and interferes with you music enjoyment? Yeah and I've been called a troll. -- Nonreality -IF THE RULE YOU FOLLOWED BROUGHT YOU TO THIS, OF WHAT USE IS THE RULE.- HTTP://www.last.fm/user/nonreality -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-08 Thread DCtoDaylight
I'd guess that a lot of people don't feel they have the technical understanding to build this sort of battery powered system themselves. If it were offered in a box, ready to plug in and use, more people would probably be interested -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-08 Thread SuperQ
This is exactly why I recommend using a true-sine on-line UPS. I consider it the only good power conditioner setup for people with noisy lines. Liebert makes a series of very good on-line UPSs that don't break the bank. You also get the bonus of having battery backup for your system. :-) --

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Audiophile power supply / conditioning

2008-09-08 Thread DeVerm
Hi there, Let me start of by saying that I know that you get lotsa junk over your AC feed... put it on an oscilloscope and watch in horror. However, I don't understand why audiophiles act on this front the way they do, or may be I only read about a subset of solutions here in this forum. I do be