Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-31 Thread Deaf Cat
Mark Lanctot;190990 Wrote: > And actually - the foil would act as a heatsink, not an insulator - > dissipating the tiny amount of heat more effectively than the bare > cable. Ah ha I'm safe, its been pumping out all day and its just as warm as any other cable in the pit - ambient - Wonderfull ne

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-31 Thread Deaf Cat
Skunk;190887 Wrote: > Suggested Reading: Analog Devices application note 347 Shielding and > Guarding > http://www.analog.com/UploadedFiles/Application_Notes/41727248AN_347.pdf > Cheers! have printed and will read over breakfast :) -- Deaf Cat

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-30 Thread P Floding
Anne;191395 Wrote: > I guess the blind guy for testing comes free of charge ? I tend to do that. -- P Floding No, I didn't ABX it. And I won't even if you ask me. (Especially not if you ask me.) P Floding's Profile: htt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-30 Thread Anne
I guess the blind guy for testing comes free of charge ? -- Anne Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=33956 ___

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-30 Thread tomjtx
I say put your speakers on swivel chairs/casters until you find the perfect place in your room. Tomtjx and I are going to make a remote controlled version; think AI robots with speakers for heads and RTA ears. They will also accommodate you in blind testing, by switching component settings on comm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-30 Thread nicketynick
Skunk;191313 Wrote: > Tomtjx and I are going to make a remote controlled version; think AI > robots with speakers for heads and RTA ears. They will also accommodate > you in blind testing, by switching component settings on command or > sneakily. Now that you've brought this up again. I've

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-30 Thread Skunk
PhilNYC;191260 Wrote: > It's like saying that laying the foundation for a new house is a "fine > tune". It's far more than that...it is arguably the most important > part of setting up your system. > Using this methodology the speakers would be in place before equipment that might change the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
mlsstl;191253 Wrote: > > If we're at this point it becomes useful to see what the dictionary > says. Webster has the following as one definition for tweak: to make > small adjustments (as in "tweak the controls"); especially "fine tune." > Other definitions have little to with audio (to pinch or

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread JJZolx
In my experience there are virtually no tweaks that universally "work" in all systems. The same vibration damping used on one CD player will suck the life out of another. The same speakers on spikes in one room will boom in another with a different confuration or type of floor. In general, the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread tyler_durden
Pat Farrell;191200 Wrote: > > Because it defeats the purpose of the spikes. They are designed to > solidly couple the speakers in one place. In theory, the speaker > cabinet can move with music causing the imaging to smear. I have my own hypothesis about how spikes work. I think they lift the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread mlsstl
This fuss over the definition of "tweak" strikes me as a distinction without a difference so far. If we're at this point it becomes useful to see what the dictionary says. Webster has the following as one definition for tweak: to make small adjustments (as in "tweak the controls"); especially "f

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
Pat Farrell;191200 Wrote: > > You seem to be trying to pick a fight. I have no fight with you. So > this > is my last response. Nope, not trying to pick a fight. Simply asserting my opinion that speaker placement is more important than "tweak" implies. > Because it defeats the purpose of t

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread jeffmeh
ron thigpen;191210 Wrote: > jeffmeh wrote: > > > Would my audio sound better if I had a cat that was neither alive > nor > > dead? > > The hifi always sounds better with the house cat in a box. No > bothersome mewling at the door, or using the speaker cloth as a > scratching post. > > --rt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread ron thigpen
jeffmeh wrote: > Would my audio sound better if I had a cat that was neither alive nor > dead? The hifi always sounds better with the house cat in a box. No bothersome mewling at the door, or using the speaker cloth as a scratching post. --rt ___ a

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
PhilNYC wrote: > Again, my only issue is calling proper speaker placement a "tweak". You seem to be trying to pick a fight. I have no fight with you. So this is my last response. > But that has nothing to do with "tweaking". It's simply setting the > speakers up properly when you are using the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
Pat Farrell;191190 Wrote: > > But its a bookshelf speaker. It says so right on the box. > It has to be properly placed if its on a shelf. I guess it depends on what you are trying to achieve as a marketer of speakers. Most speaker companies that promote their small speakers as "bookshelf" are

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
PhilNYC wrote: >> Even ancient bookshelf speakers such as AR3a and Large Advents, which >> defined the term bookshelf speakers, sound better away from the wall. >> Sure you trade off bass boost, but the rest of the sound improves. > > I don't understand what your point is here. You stick a spea

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
Pat Farrell;191179 Wrote: > > I don't understand what you are arguing about. I'm saying that I don't consider proper speaker placement a "tweak". And I don't think that "5ft from every wall" constitutes "proper speaker placement". > Proper setup is a fine name, but a huge number of people hav

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Anne
A very good place to begin : http://www.cardas.com/pdf/roomsetup.pdf http://www.cardas.com/content.php?area=insights&content_id=26&pagestring=Room+Setup http://www.gcaudio.com/resources/howtos/speakerplacement.html Try it, at least to get the feeling of what it CAN do -- Anne -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
PhilNYC wrote: > I think that's far too simple of a definition for "proper placement", > particularly when there are many different types of speakers (some of > which are designed to be placed tightly in corners to achieve bass > performance through room reinforcement), I don't understand what you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
Pat Farrell;191123 Wrote: > It probably depends as much on the definition of "proper placement" > as anything else. To me, proper placement is 5 feet from all walls, but > > even in fairly hi end audio shops, far too many speakers are pushed up > > against the wall. So clearly some people have

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Angiel
ask for a refund. Dump it try the http://www.dualactioncleansenow.com";>ultimate colon cleanser today. -- Angiel Angiel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10931 View this thread: http://foru

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread CardinalFang
Pat Farrell;191123 Wrote: > To me, proper placement is 5 feet from all walls, but even in fairly hi > end audio shops, far too many speakers are pushed up against the wall. > So clearly some people have not gotten the memo I use some fairly old Rega Ela speakers that supposedly were designed to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Pat Farrell
PhilNYC wrote: > Is proper speaker setup/placement really something to be considered a > "tweak"? I am not sure if there is an well defined definition of what is a tweak. I generally think about replacing $2 radio shack interconnects with Kimber PBJs as an inexpensive tweak. But Far too many pe

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread jeffmeh
PhilNYC;191120 Wrote: > Is proper speaker setup/placement really something to be considered a > "tweak"? Considering that, for me, proper speaker placement would require moving the system to another room, that I do not have such a room, and that I would be required to buy another house, it is ce

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread PhilNYC
Pat Farrell;190565 Wrote: > > My favorite tweak, which is free, is to move your speakers. > Specifically, move them away from the walls and into the room. > At least it is free to try. > Is proper speaker setup/placement really something to be considered a "tweak"? -- PhilNYC Sonic Spiri

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread GaryB
opaqueice;191105 Wrote: > This leads to the "many worlds" interpretation, where both possibilities > exist, but for reasons not well understood we only experience one, while > at least in the mathematical structure of the theory the other copy of > us moves off along another branch. This happens

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread opaqueice
CardinalFang;191091 Wrote: > > The really weird part for me is that the Copenhagan Interpretation, > which is probably the most widely accepted explanation for the > experiment, is that electrons and other quantum objects exist as > probability waves until they are detected, when they become par

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread jeffmeh
CardinalFang;191091 Wrote: > The double slit experiment is fundamental to quantum physics, but the > wave/particle duality could only apply to electrons, not sound waves, > which are obviously sound pressure waves and never particles. > > The really weird part for me is that the Copenhagan Inter

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread CardinalFang
jeffmeh;191077 Wrote: > Well, from a quantum mechanics standpoint it is possible that this could > work. Of course, it is also possible that an elephant will quantum > tunnel to a position above my head and strike me dead before I finish > typing thi The double slit experiment is fundamental to

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread jeffmeh
ceejay;191069 Wrote: > Thanks for posting those links. Following my nose, as one does when > surfing, I came upon > > http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue1/beltpen.htm > > which has to be the funniest thing I've come across in a long time... > > Edit: well, it was the funniest thing until I

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread ceejay
TCM;191066 Wrote: > From AudioCircle: > ' > Cheap/Free Tweaks ($10.00 or less)' > (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=35936.0) > 'Cheap Tweaks ($100.00 or less)' > (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=37980.0) > . :-D Thanks for posting those links. Following

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread TCM
>From AudioCircle: ' Cheap/Free Tweaks ($10.00 or less)' (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=35936.0) 'Cheap Tweaks ($100.00 or less)' (http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=37980.0) . :-D -- TCM 'Squeezebox 3' (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_squeezebox.html)

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-29 Thread Khuli
jonheal;190876 Wrote: > In which case, I highly recommend anal candling I think that might belong under a somewhat different thread... -- Khuli http://www.last.fm/user/khuli Khuli's Profile: http://forums.slimdevic

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread Mark Lanctot
Deaf Cat;190609 Wrote: > Not too sure if this may be detrimental (heat wise)to the cable though? A properly-sized cable will not heat up to any appreciable degree, insulated with foil or not. An improperly-sized cable (too small for the current it's trying to pass) will heat up, and constitutes

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread tyler_durden
jonheal;190876 Wrote: > I thought the ear candling thing was a joke! It's real?!? It's a real joke! TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http:

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread Skunk
Deaf Cat;190877 Wrote: > I don't really understand the ins and outs of how rf, emf and what ever > else happens, but could the foil act as a type of barrier against other > cable's emmissions? This is a good illustration of the difference between science and audiophilia. An explanation of ~why~

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread Deaf Cat
Skunk;190755 Wrote: > My impression was that the shield usually drained the noise to ground, > which your foil tweak doesn't have the advantage of. I'd guess the > mains cable is more prone to interference now. I don't really understand the ins and outs of how rf, emf and what ever else happens,

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread jonheal
Skunk;190780 Wrote: > Thanks for the correction, and more importantly the new verb to use when > my girlfriend suggests we use these. I feel bad saying this now, after > recommending them, but I only tried it once and couldn't stand to let > it burn more that 20 seconds. Something didn't seem rig

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-28 Thread moshulu
I strongly recommend ear-cleaning and ear-cupping. I do the latter routinely in a concert-hall or opera house. Used to make me feel self-conscious, but now I see others doing it. To clean the ears safely, it is best to buy (in a pharmacy) a rubber bulb that is specially made for this purpose.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Skunk
JohnnyLightOn;190778 Wrote: > Actually, ear candling doesn't take any wax out of the ears. Thanks for the correction, and more importantly the new verb to use when my girlfriend suggests we use these. I feel bad saying this now, after recommending them, but I only tried it once and couldn't st

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread tyler_durden
Skunk;190599 Wrote: > Good one. I thought of this last night after using a Q-tip(R). > Anyway. I wanted to point out the cone shaped wax ear candles that are > lit and stuck in the ear while lying horizontally, as a good > alternative to compacting all that waste for years. Those "ear candles"

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread JohnnyLightOn
Skunk;190599 Wrote: > Anyway. I wanted to point out the cone shaped wax ear candles that are > lit and stuck in the ear while lying horizontally, as a good > alternative to compacting all that waste for years. You don't want the > equivalent of Elvis' digestive system in your ear canal! Actually

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Skunk
Deaf Cat;190609 Wrote: > > Almost free: > Cooking foil around stock mains cable to power amp, hehehe, I'm under > the impression the soundstage expanded forward slightly :D > Not too sure if this may be detrimental (heat wise)to the cable though? My impression was that the shield usually draine

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Bob Bressler
mlsstl;190676 Wrote: > Not yet mentioned, another completely free tweak is to try different > positions for your listening chair. In terms of effectiveness, it is > right up there with speaker placement. at least with some speakers, the chair is probably easier to move. -- Bob Bressler Bob A

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Deaf Cat
CardinalFang;190706 Wrote: > Here's a good one - cup your hands behind your ears. It's amazing how > much more detail you can hear, but your hands get tired after a while. > :-) > > OK, so it's not entirely serious, but I do remember seeing cardboard > "ear amplifiers" at a HiFi show once in the

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread CardinalFang
Here's a good one - cup your hands behind your ears. It's amazing how much more detail you can hear, but your hands get tired after a while. :-) OK, so it's not entirely serious, but I do remember seeing cardboard "ear amplifiers" at a HiFi show once in the UK! -- CardinalFang

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread mlsstl
Not yet mentioned, another completely free tweak is to try different positions for your listening chair. In terms of effectiveness, it is right up there with speaker placement. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.sli

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Deaf Cat
Cheepish: Linear psu for SB, naturally, Isolation feet for power amp £10, Almost free: Cooking foil around stock mains cable to power amp, hehehe, I'm under the impression the soundstage expanded forward slightly :D Not too sure if this may be detrimental (heat wise)to the cable though? -- De

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread 325xi
One can try that green lacquer - if it works for CD, it'll definitely work on ears. BTW, how comes no one suggested sitting on anti-vibration platform while listening? I was also considered coupling a while ago, but I'm not enlightened enough to sit on spikes... -- 325xi -

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread jonheal
Skunk;190599 Wrote: > Also, remember to eat a balanced breakfast on the day of any serious > listening. The signal-to-noise ratio of one's digestive tract the day after chili or corndogs probably adds more ambient racket to the listening environment than a the hiss and grunge from a POS mini-hif

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Skunk
jonheal;190595 Wrote: > How about digging those plugs of wax out of one's ears every now and > then? Disgusting, but beneficial. Good one. I thought of this last night after using a Q-tip(R). Seems some small cut-hairs got in there when I was using clippers on my head. Anyway. I wanted to poin

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread jonheal
How about digging those plugs of wax out of one's ears every now and then? Disgusting, but beneficial. -- jonheal Jon Heal says: Have a nice day! http://www.theheals.org/ ~~~ SB3 (wired - 6.3.1) | Home-brew PC running XP Pro | DENON DRA-395 | PSB Stratus Bronze (2) | Outlaw Audio LFM-2 (1) | D

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread opaqueice
I second (or third?) the suggestion - everyone should try that. The differences are often quite dramatic (especially when compared to zero, which is the difference many other tweaks result in!). -- opaqueice opaqueice's P

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread empty99
and again, it's free! If you haven't tried it, you are not getting your speaker money worth. SB3>MF A3.24DAC>Alps pot>2 Nakamichi PA7s>B&W N802>Nice! -- empty99 empty99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?u

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Cheap tweaks that really work

2007-03-27 Thread Pat Farrell
In another thread, amcluesent wrote: > The only 'tweak' I have ever > *personally* noticed making an improvement was putting a ferrite-core > around the mains lead going to the TV. Seems to me that this is a good excuse to start a fresh thread. My favorite tweak, which is free, is to move your