mvalera;348132 Wrote:
Can't comment on the 1709, cause they don't have the D/A output specs,
but my 3808ci which costs 3x more has worse specs than the SB3 on the
D/A outputs:
THD(+N?)3808ci: 0.008% or -81.9dB
THD+N SB3: 0.002% or -93.5dB
SNR: wash between the two
MikeMike, I have a
Well, in fact, any dac in the market that costs more than 200$ beats
SB3. But nobody cares in making dacs under the 500$ tag anymore (except
Beresford, and some Chinese, of course).
Also, dacs in receivers have evolved a lot, the last three years.
Actually, even the Denon 1709 sounds (much)
Can't comment on the 1709, cause they don't have the D/A output specs,
but my 3808ci which costs 3x more has worse specs than the SB3 on the
D/A outputs:
THD(+N?)3808ci: 0.008% or -81.9dB
THD+N SB3: 0.002% or -93.5dB
Mike
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mvalera;348132 Wrote:
Can't comment on the 1709, cause they don't have the D/A output specs,
but my 3808ci which costs 3x more has worse specs than the SB3 on the
D/A outputs:
THD(+N?)3808ci: 0.008% or -81.9dB
THD+N SB3: 0.002% or -93.5dB
SNR: wash between the two
Mike
I don't
ralphpnj;342620 Wrote:
To clarify:
From what I've heard and read, either here or on audio related forums,
the DAC in the Duet and the SqueezeBox (which, according to your
signature, is what you using) is fairly decent and competes favorably
with external DACs in the $500 and under range.
I've been looking at getting a pair of headphones for my SB3, and the
MS1's look pretty good from what I've read. My only concern is that
when you go to order these, my IE7 browser goes mad, saying the
certificate of the website has problems and the site may be a scam.
Anyone had the same
Thank you for all your suggestions.
I was looking at the Beresford purely as a headphone amplifier, as I
have read on other forums that a dedicated headphone amp can make a big
improvement.
I know that the Ms are limited but as a second system I think they
sound pretty good.
If the Beresford
btooze;342852 Wrote:
Thank you for all your suggestions.
I was looking at the Beresford purely as a headphone amplifier, as I
have read on other forums that a dedicated headphone amp can make a big
improvement.
I know that the Ms are limited but as a second system I think they
sound
I didn't realize you were in the UK. Although the MS1s are the best in
the US at this price point, as they decrease Grados occasional Grato
highs, with the distribution and pricing channels outside the US, the
choice is really a no brainer. They should be much cheaper for you.
Just be aware they
btooze;342302 Wrote:
My Duet is connected directly into a pair of Acoustic Energy Aego M
speakers. For late night listening I use my Sennheiser PX 200
headphones connected to the headphone jack on the Aego Ms.
I would like to improve my headphone listening and would like advice on
the
ralphpnj;342554 Wrote:
I don't think that a DAC in the price range of the Beresford is going to
offer enough of a sonic improvement over the Duet's stock DAC to be
worth the expensive.
You (and too many other people here) like to -think- modest DACs cannot
be better than the SB DAC.
How could
sebp;342602 Wrote:
You (and too many other people here) like to -think- modest DACs cannot
be better than the SB DAC.
How could you advise against something you've not listened to?
I own a Beresford DAC and I can -assure- you it's really sounding
better than the stock SB3/SBR analog outs
ralphpnj;342612 Wrote:
If, _as_you_state_, the Beresford is a real giant killer
Where the f...?!
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System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (Max) SqueezeCenter 7.2 running
on a ReadyNAS NV+
Living room : Squeezebox 3 Beresford DAC Trends Audio TA10.1 KEF
iQ9
Bedroom : Squeezebox 3
sebp;342619 Wrote:
Where the f...?!
To clarify:
From what I've heard and read, either here or on audio related forums,
the DAC in the Duet and the SqueezeBox (which, according to your
signature, is what you using) is fairly decent and competes favorably
with external DACs in the $500 and
ralphpnj;342620 Wrote:
From what I've heard and read, either here or on audio related forums,
the DAC in the Duet and the SqueezeBox ... competes favorably with
external DACs in the $500 and under range.This is a mystery to me... Are we
-really- talking about the same SB3
and Duet ? :D
I
I understand the desire to caution on the subject of how easily/not
easily it is to improve the undervalued Duet/SBC DACs, but I'm not sure
a strict price structure is the way to do it. A route many here take,
and I did too for over a year, is the $1K Lavry DA10. While I'm a fan,
it didn't
ralphpnj;342620 Wrote:
From what I've heard and read, either here or on audio related forums,
the DAC in the Duet and the SqueezeBox (which, according to your
signature, is what you using) is fairly decent and competes favorably
with external DACs in the $500 and under range.
Actually
opaqueice;342717 Wrote:
Actually for many purposes it competes favorably with DACs in the $5,000
range.
Wow, it looks like the troll launching season is open ... :)
I'm glad I didn't spent $5K for such a DAC.
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System : Mac Mini for ripping to FLAC (Max) SqueezeCenter 7.2 running
on
How many of those purposes are audio related?
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blessingx;342748 Wrote:
How many of those purposes are audio related?
All, more or less, since there isn't much else you can do with a
DAC...
There -may- be some very minor differences in sound quality, and I know
there are some minor (but audible at least under some circumstances)
I certainly agree with the value of a blind test and thus is why I no
longer own the Lavry. It took over a year to test and when I did I was
surprised. That said, even when the difference is only in preference,
and not real levels of SQ, I've done enough DAC blind tests in groups
to know they're
My Duet is connected directly into a pair of Acoustic Energy Aego M
speakers. For late night listening I use my Sennheiser PX 200
headphones connected to the headphone jack on the Aego Ms.
I would like to improve my headphone listening and would like advice on
the following options.
1)
btooze;342302 Wrote:
If I go for the DAC option, will I notice any sound improvement through
the speakers compared to the stock output of the Duet.Hard to say... honestly
I doubt, because the AegoM have a fast cut after
16kHz. If you feel the need of getting an external dac, then you'll
Sorry, should have read SR125.
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I'm not a big Grado fan, but the SR125s would be a major upgrade from
the PX200s.
If you go Grados and are deciding between SR80/SR125, I'd recommend you
consider the Alessandro MS1s also. Basically SR125 specs at SR80 prices
(if including shipping). Plus a slightly more neutral signiture. All
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