Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread haraldo
darrenyeats;280096 Wrote: > Haraldo, > Did you match levels exactly when you did the comparison? (As I > understand it the balanced output is louder.) > Darren Well not like John Atkinson does, but I listened at similar SPL's and the difference is imminent. It's correct that the balanced output

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread darrenyeats
haraldo;280015 Wrote: > > I don't know what this is and why it is like this, but this is very > audible and certainly not about a placebo effect. > Haraldo, Did you match levels exactly when you did the comparison? (As I understand it the balanced output is louder.) Darren -- darrenyeats

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread haraldo
You should indeed be very fine! running balanced from the transporter to the KAV-400xi You should get the balanced interconnect ASAP Yes I did A/B test between running balanced with the canare XLR and a top of the line Kimber Select rca Silver cable. The benchmark DAC1 has both balanced and sing

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread wireless200
haraldo;280015 Wrote: > [...] > I don't know what it is, but this amplifier must be run balanced in > order to get the full benefit of the product. [...] > I don't know what this is and why it is like this, but this is very > audible and certainly not about a placebo effect. > > -H :-D I'm

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread haraldo
Going from single-ended to balanced on a Krell KAV 400 is not a subtle change and it's about much more than noise rejection If you're running balanced on go to single ended, the system suddenly strike you as cold and sterile, going back to balanced brings back the natural balance. I don't kn

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread x-transporter
Usually channels separation and S/N ratio are highest with Balanced XLR. -- x-transporter x-transporter's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16076 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showt

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-15 Thread haraldo
Yeah, I'm still using Blue Jeans Canare balanced interconnects and their optical digital interconnect from my Squeezebox3 to the Benchmark DAC1. The Krell KAV400 must obviously be run balanced. You could probably buy cables at 20 times the cost and have an improvement, but I'm not willing to try

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-03-14 Thread wireless200
haraldo;261906 Wrote: > > [...] > Changing from those very expensive cables to ordinary (very cheap) > balanced canare cables from Blue Jeans cables was such an improvement > that it just beats me what's going on It was just impossible not to > hear the improvement > > Probably, the KAV

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-23 Thread haraldo
The issue of running unbalanced or balanced is very dependent on the rig... I was running unbalanced to my Krell KAV400xi with high-end Kimber Select silver cables. Changing from those very expensive cables to ordinary (very cheap) balanced canare cables from Blue Jeans cables was such an improv

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-17 Thread alekz
Interesting. I don't know what actually helped: new power cables, new interconnect or moving from RCA to XLR. The brightness has almost gone. The sibilants are still quite noticeable, but the sound has improved a lot. -- alekz

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-14 Thread alekz
alekz;257335 Wrote: > > Currently I switched from RCA to XLR. XLR in my fully balanced system > sounds SLIGHTLY better (greater sense of ease). But I'm not sure if the > cable is fully broken in yet, I bought it used a couple of days ago, so > I expect more in a week or so ;-) Some results afte

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-12 Thread alekz
egd;257440 Wrote: > What saddle and bridle are you using? MIT Oracle 3.1 and 3.2 (the new one). The power cables are MIT Oracle Z-Cord III, Magnum AC1 and Synergistic Research Master Coupler (this one needs to be replaced) -- alekz --

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread egd
alekz;257335 Wrote: > But I'm not sure if the cable is fully broken in yet, I bought it used a > couple of days ago, so I expect more in a week or so ;-) What saddle and bridle are you using? -- egd Thecus N5200PRO >> Transporter >> ATC SCA2 >> ATC SCM100SLAT

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread muski
seanadams;257295 Wrote: > Yes, Transporter is fully balanced internally. This is something to look > for in a balanced amp as it is really ideal to keep a balanced path from > start to finish if possible. selfdivider -- You mentioned you do some headphone listening. If you want to have some fu

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread Robin Bowes
alekz wrote: > bigfool1956;257209 Wrote: >> One thing the TP isn't is bright. It is clear and extended in the >> treble, but bright? No. > > I would call it disturbingly bright and sibilant with recessed > "middle". At least in my system (PassLabs x1-x250, Martin Logan > Ascent). It's WAY brighte

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread tomjtx
opaqueice;257316 Wrote: > Just to amplify on what Sean said above, the improvements some people > are hearing might have more to do with the input stage of their > amps/preamps, or something else in their system (such as ground loops), > than with the TP itself. Hence it's a bit risky to extrapo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread alekz
bigfool1956;257209 Wrote: > One thing the TP isn't is bright. It is clear and extended in the > treble, but bright? No. I would call it disturbingly bright and sibilant with recessed "middle". At least in my system (PassLabs x1-x250, Martin Logan Ascent). It's WAY brighter than Meridian's 5xx, L

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread opaqueice
Just to amplify on what Sean said above, the improvements some people are hearing might have more to do with the input stage of their amps/preamps, or something else in their system (such as ground loops), than with the TP itself. Hence it's a bit risky to extrapolate those experiences to any oth

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread tomjtx
mlsstl;257299 Wrote: > Keep in mind that a direct comparison of a balanced vs unbalanced > connection is difficult. A true balanced connection will be louder than > an unbalanced one which complicates matching gain in the comparison. It > is difficult for a home user to precisely match volume lev

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread mlsstl
Keep in mind that a direct comparison of a balanced vs unbalanced connection is difficult. A true balanced connection will be louder than an unbalanced one which complicates matching gain in the comparison. It is difficult for a home user to precisely match volume levels when switching back and fo

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread seanadams
NewBuyer;257077 Wrote: > > Still, with all types of gear so far, I have always noticed an > improvement when using balanced connections, whether it be sources, > preamps, or amps. My guess has always been, that in addition to the > impedance balancing aspect, using balanced connections must kill

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread tomjtx
I find the XLR to sound quite a bit better than RCA. I wouldn't want to go back to RCA with my balanced amp. When I single blind AB'd the 2, the balanced won out every time I do use the RCA outs on The TP to feed my tube headphone amp which is not balanced (DarkVoice337 > AKG701) and it does soun

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread selfdivider
bigfool1956;257209 Wrote: > One thing the TP isn't is bright. It is clear and extended in the > treble, but bright? No. I wasn't talking about TP, but more about the Leben's sound characteristics. -- selfdivider selfdivi

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread bigfool1956
One thing the TP isn't is bright. It is clear and extended in the treble, but bright? No. -- bigfool1956 David Ayers Music is what counts, hifi just helps us enjoy it more bigfool1956's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-11 Thread selfdivider
I chose Pathos & Leben purely on my listening. I auditioned other integrateds, both solid state & tube, including Musical Fidelity A5, VTI IT-85, Creeks, etc etc... but the Pathos & the Leben were my favorites in the end. Pathos definitely has a great build quality, although the Leben's is no slou

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread GuyDebord
I had the Transporter connected with RCA cables to my Pathos for the fist 2 months until I decided to give its Balanced capability a try. Its difficult to differentiate between what the cable construction itself and the XLR configuration did to the overall musical rendering, but all I can tell you

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread SuperQ
riffer;257079 Wrote: > I have the same question, but is the Transporter a true balanced > configuration? Yes, output stage is really fully balanced. There have been several posts about the opamp layout I think. -- SuperQ ---

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread riffer
I have the same question, but is the Transporter a true balanced configuration? -- riffer riffer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13459 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.p

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread NewBuyer
While I greatly look up to Sean and bow to his greater knowledge, nevertheless I have to disagree with that last statement. My system has short cable lengths and the environment is not electrically very noisy. Still, with all types of gear so far, I have always noticed an improvement when using

Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread seanadams
selfdivider;257061 Wrote: > Hi, guys. Thanks for all your input in the other thread re: using CD > player as DAC. You've successfully convinced me to go w/ the > Transporter instead of a $3000+ CD player; I'm a converter. > > My question is about the sound quality of Transporter when connected

[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter: Balanced XLR vs Unbalanced RCA

2008-01-10 Thread selfdivider
Hi, guys. Thanks for all your input in the other thread re: using CD player as DAC. You've successfully convinced me to go w/ the Transporter instead of a $3000+ CD player; I'm a converter. My question is about the sound quality of Transporter when connected via balanced XLR vs. unbalanced RCA.