flying or
is it above 5000ft at night.
Ian McPhee
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At 09:46 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote:
That's a big call to say the NZ Gliding people misinterpreted the law. The
Law sets the benchmark and as long as that is not breached, NZ Gliding is
well within their rights to set their own guidelines.
They are also free to turn naked handstands out the
At 11:44 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote:
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:27:30 +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote
In a dying, shrinking sport the last thing we need is mindless regulation
and enthusiastic jack booted amateurs eagerly enforcing the law or
doing so for the sake of safety or an illusory insurance
At 09:46 AM 27/08/04 +1000, you wrote:
That's a big call to say the NZ Gliding people misinterpreted the law. The
Law sets the benchmark and as long as that is not breached, NZ Gliding is
well within their rights to set their own guidelines.
Sorry left out a word first time.
They are also free
I really want to know how many accidents or incidents involving at
least one glider attributable in whole or part to lack of supplementary
oxygen (at any altitude) have occurred during the last 50 years
(anywhere in the world)
That's the kind of data you need to determine whether the rule
I've been wondering about one other aspect of this fascinating
discussion. We may have talked about this before.
Does anyone know to what altitude the cabin of commercial jets are
pressurized when at normal cruising levels ? I did hear once (in the
B-727 era) that it was
somewhere
Terry Neumann wrote:
Does anyone know to what altitude the cabin of commercial jets are
pressurized when at normal cruising levels ?I did hear once (in the
B-727 era) that it was somewhere around 6,000 to 8,000 feet.
Usually 8,000'.
(I have an altimeter built into my watch -- it's actually
At 11:12 PM 27/08/04 +0930, you wrote:
We may have talked about this before.
Is there a manufacturer's recommendation?
Is there a company policy?
Are there regulations on the subject?
Unfortunately that would probably be viewed with considerable suspicion,
even
Brian Wade (and others) wrote:
Sorry but I read that as you can go up to 13000
with no oxygen in the
glider as long as you don't spend more than 30 minutes above 1.
Well I read it as meaning you can go up to 13,000
without using oxygen, but you must have it available
At 06:45 PM 26/08/04 +0930, you wrote:
Brian Wade (and others) wrote:
Sorry but I read that as you can go up to 13000 with no oxygen in the
glider as long as you don't spend more than 30 minutes above 1.
Well I read it as meaning you can go up to 13,000 without
.
Cheers,
Boyd
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At 06:45 PM 26/08/04 +0930, you wrote:
Brian
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Hello Mike,
There is another reason why Brigadier Brian Wade AM (Ret'd) and others
are
wrong
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Hooray, some sense at last.
Nigel
Nigel Andrews
Managing Director
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At 06:45 PM 26/08/04 +0930, you wrote:
Brian Wade (and others) wrote:
Sorry but I read that as you can go up to 13000 with no oxygen in the
glider as long as you don't spend
Mike, while
the New Zealand Civil Aviation Rule 91.209 Use of Oxygen Equipment
doesnt require the carriage or use of supplemental oxygen up to 13,000
AMSL unless above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes, the Gliding New
Zealand Advisory circular
At 11:55 PM 26/08/04 +1000, you wrote:
Mike, while the New Zealand Civil Aviation Rule 91.209 Use of
Oxygen Equipment doesnt require the carriage or use of supplemental
oxygen up to 13,000 AMSL unless above 10,000 for more than 30 minutes,
the Gliding New Zealand Advisory circular
A moment's thought should convince anyone that the AC interpretation is
nonsense. Why would anyone have oxygen available and not use it?
Because they didn't have enough for the whole time they would be above
10,000?
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At 08:02 AM 27/08/04 +0930, you wrote:
A moment's thought should convince anyone that the AC interpretation is
nonsense. Why would anyone have oxygen available and not use it?
Because they didn't have enough for the whole time they would be above
10,000?
No, the law was clearly written to
On Thu, 2004-08-26 at 21:14, Allan Armistead wrote:
So debate away to your hearts content about the regs in US vs Aus,
parachuting vs gliding, variation between indiduals, the legal situation,
and a whole host of other things. I'll take the oxygen every time thank you.
So will I - that's why
On Fri, 27 Aug 2004 08:27:30 +1000, Mike Borgelt wrote
In a dying, shrinking sport the last thing we need is mindless regulation
and enthusiastic jack booted amateurs eagerly enforcing the law or
doing so for the sake of safety or an illusory insurance policy.
While I generally don't want
Robert Hart wrote:
But I worry about being close to these people who seem to think that
oxygen is an optional extra...
Robert, I don't think there *are* any people like that.
We're not talking here about whether oxygen is necessary for high
altitude flight; We've been talking about whether the
1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia Oxygen use
Boyd,
If you had been following this thread since I started it you
would know that:mymotivation wasthe
beliefthat we should all seek to bewell informed about the nature of
hypoxia and use common sense in the application of that knowledge.
The USAF School of Aerospace Medicine has this to say about the stages of
hypoxia:-
The symptomatology of hypoxia may be divided into stages related to
the approximate pressure, the altitudes, and the oxygen saturations of the
blood.
STAGES OF HYPOXIA
Altitude in
: Thursday, August 26, 2004 2:56
PM
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Hypoxia
Oxygen use
At 02:17 PM 26/08/04 +1000, you wrote:2.1 Operation of
a glider to a height greater than 10,000 ft QNH ispermitted only when
oxygen is available for continuous use by each person onboard for any
At 03:04 PM 26/08/04 +1000, you wrote:
Well
I read it as meaning you can go up to 13,000 without using oxygen, but you
must have it available in the glider for use if needed. --
So how do you interpret the US part 91.211 between 12500 and 14000?
Mike
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