John, thanks for being a sport about this. Much appreciated. Please say hi
if we cross paths in real life.
To safe and enjoyable biking, with or without electric assist.
Harald.
On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 12:30 AM john wagnitz wrote:
> Done. A bet I am happy to have lost and a worthwhile cause.
>
Respect to John for cheerfully making good.
I'm also concerned about cell phone use on moving bicycles, which is not
the same as saying that I've never done it. As far as I can tell, it's
legal pretty much everywhere save Holland. Let's guess that that's a
recognition that a distracted cyclist is
John Wagnitz, Thanks for following through with the contribution! Here’s hoping
there are no deaths associated with using e-assist bikes on bikeways and
trails. I see daily use and by and large users tend to be well behaved. I see
more issue with roadies passing at high rates of speed without
Done. A bet I am happy to have lost and a worthwhile cause.John
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On Thursday, August 1, 2019, 3:42 PM, Harald Kliems wrote:
Hi John:I guess it's August now, and as far as I know there have been no fatal
or serious injury crashes involving e-bikes in Madison.
Hi John:
I guess it's August now, and as far as I know there have been no fatal or
serious injury crashes involving e-bikes in Madison. Please mail your $100
to
Madison Bikes Inc.
P.O. Box 260244
Madison, WI 53726-0244
Or you can donate online and contribute to our Pinney Library fundraiser
https://youtu.be/wK4MemwtcB4?t=2
On 7/15/2019 5:57 PM, Hank Weiss via Bikies wrote:
Oh just lovely. Can???t wait to see these fella???s on the SW path during
rush hour.
https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/15/20694433/last-mile-autonomous-robot-delivery-startup-bike-lanes-refraction-ai
Hank
I biked to work every day of my career working for DNR, beginning as grad
school student biking from Lakeside St on LAKE MONONA to the Sq Building in
1974, and when I moved to Midvale Blvd. , DNR moved school to GEF II, just
east of the State Capitol. There was still the occasional freight train
Quoting Brian Mink via Bikies :
...
One hopes that this will not become a common occurrence but if
Europe is indicative of what happens as the market becomes more and
more saturated with e-bikes, then we're in likely trouble. Most of
the hacking software is coming out of Italy & Germany.
Bill,
Thanks for your work and that information. Filled in some blanks for me
as I never knew the story behind the DNR administrative rule creation as
it related to the trail e-bike speed limit.
E-bike modification really does take two forms. The inline chips change
the speed sensor data
Brian did an excellent post raising the host of issues we face with
the emergence of e-bikes. I've been following this as bicycle
representative on the Wisconsin Nonmotorized Recreation and
Transportation Trails Council. The hacking Brian refers to is known in
the e-bike world as
In a certain sense this will be water over the dam in a short period of
time. Everyone should note that the Senate and Assembly bills appear to
be identical and they both allow both the DNR and local government to
pass local rules or ordinances that limit the class(es) of electric
bikes
As primarily a cyclist but also a pedestrian, I am concerned about the
speeds that are possible with little effort on eBikes. The Class 3 eBikes
identified in the state legislation can be motor powered up to 28mph. Above
that it's all leg power. for more detail see: Senate Bill 129
Thanks, John. At a minimum, I hope those particular ebikers get
crowd-shamed out of bombing through like that.
Harry
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 8:24 PM Robbie via Bikies
wrote:
> Don't keep your opinions to yourself! That's the fun of this list - a
> little spirited debate. But also don't take
Don't keep your opinions to yourself! That's the fun of this list - a
little spirited debate. But also don't take insult if people disagree.
Robbie Webber
State Smart Transportation Initiative
www.ssti.us
608-263-9984 (office)
608-225-0002 (cell)
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019, 7:21 PM john wagnitz via
Harry,I’d be happy to. The first instance occurred last week. I was traveling
east on the capital city trail, crossing Dunning street (harmony bar). An
eastbound commuter was attempting to pass me when a cyclist with a rear powered
device traveling west at a high speed (25 mph?) came around the
Fixed that for ya...
On 2019/07/10 17:01, Scott Morris Rose via Bikies wrote:
as God_WIN_ intended.
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Paul T. O'Leary
Chronic Nuisance
Madison, WI USA
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I too, at times, would like to attack the integrity of another poster. But
I don't, because... well, actually, I often do. Case in point, in fact. But
I enjoyed this particular discussion regardless any overblown claims. What
actually lights my fuse is reasoned, measured comments - tolerance of
It's good to hear that most people posting here are not seeing much in the
way of irresponsible ebike use but perhaps John Wagnitz can describe some
specific instances that prompted his post. Responding to Jeff Schimpf's
post, I agree that BCycle rentals are probably not going to make much of a
Could not agree more, Be Best.
My wife and I are lifelong road and touring cyclists. We're retired at
this point an tandem cycle daily. We spent some 40 years on a range of
high end tandems but in the last couple years both have developed Sacro
Iliac Dysfunction which in recent years has
While I think there are valid concerns with inexperienced people being able
to go relatively fast on paths and trails, I am reminded that carnage was
predicted when New York introduced Citibikes to their streets. People
thought that this would lead to all sorts of tourists, newbie bicyclists,
and
>From a website called electricbikereview.com, a forum administrator posted
what they describe as a guide to US law regarding ebikes as of 2016. It
states that "In the United States electric bikes have seen slow but steady
growth since the late 90’s and as a result, in 2001 congress was lobbied
John has a super-valid point. Though I do see the advantages and
contributions that e-bikes have made to society and I believe they have a
place, it is also true that a huge number of people effectively use them as
motorcycles. What's more is that, as is now being found out in Europe
(indicated by
On 7/9/2019 5:38 PM, john wagnitz via Bikies wrote:
Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike
path in Madison? I predict before the end of the month.
The offenders are not riding B-Cycles but seem to all be riding “bikes”
with the Copenhagen wheel. I’m pretty sure
On any given day for the last three years I see dozens of e-bikes
operating on bike paths and trails. Many are large, heavy cargo bikes
carrying parents and kids speeding along at sub 20 mph speeds. I've yet
to see, read about or hear about any accident, let alone death caused by
an e-bike
John, I'd happily take you up on the bet! $100 that there won't be a
fatality on the bike path in Madison that involves someone on an e-bike
before the end of July 2019. Maybe we can get another bikie as a bookie and
referee. And so that we don't run afoul of any gambling regulations, you
can send
Anybody taking bets on how long before we see a fatality on the bike path in
Madison? I predict before the end of the month.The offenders are not riding
B-Cycles but seem to all be riding “bikes” with the Copenhagen wheel. I’m
pretty sure they are breaking the speed limit. The State Legislature
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