Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Reggie Bautista wrote: Doug wrote: Or a phenomenon that is beyond our understanding, but in fact has a logical explanation? Hypothetical situation: At some point in the future, God reveals him/her/itself in an unambiguous, empirically testable way. If that is going to eventually happen, the

Re: this might be an interesting article

2003-06-25 Thread Doug Pensinger
Russell Chapman wrote: Which kinda covers anything from Norse and Greek Gods through to Satan worship, but if you're a pagan or athiest, you just skip over that bit. The point is that the central aim of Scouts and similar community based groups is nothing to do with religion, and there is no pro

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Jon Gabriel wrote: > > >From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism > >Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:19:24 -0400 > > > >On Wed, Jun 25, 20

Re: Another ultrasound

2003-06-25 Thread Julia Thompson
Steve Sloan II wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Also, I'd be happier if no two had the same first initial, > > and if none of them shared a first initial with either of > > their parents. (My sister and I had to go to middle initials > > in labelling things that were labelled with just

Re: Colour vision and pheromones

2003-06-25 Thread Julia Thompson
The Fool wrote: > > > From: Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > ok time out. > > > > --- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Estrus is hidden in human females. In fact when they are > menstruating > > > they are __not Fertile__. > > > > Try telling that to thousands of pregnant 14 year o

Re: Steeds (was: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloudfrom meteor)

2003-06-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > While there are numerous accounts of horses' > devotion > to their riders, and vice versa, on the battlefield, > I > am grateful that 'cavalry' is now mechanized... > > Debbi They are - but American cavalrymen still wear spurs on their boots.

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > I've been quoting from the KJV primarily for the same reason that Julia > mentioned: because it's the one that's easiest for me to copy and paste > from, and because it is the version that most people are most familiar > with. Between dead-tree copies, CD-ROMs, and w

Re: Fertility (was: Colour vision and pheromones)

2003-06-25 Thread Russell Chapman
David Hobby wrote: (German. mittel = middle, schmerz = pain. Ha. which makes James Bond's SMERSH a really cool acronym for the organisation... ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: this might be an interesting article

2003-06-25 Thread Russell Chapman
Deborah Harrell wrote: I'd object to *any* religious organization attempting to convert my child from whatever I saw fit to teach them WRT the Divine And spirituality. While the Boy and Girl Scouts do mention God (or at least they used to), I don't recall Jesus being mentioned specifically. When

Re: constatine's hot 'cross' buns

2003-06-25 Thread listmail
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 18:50:55 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >All of these comic book movies. > >But where's Groo? Off looking for a fray? or cheesedip? No fight choreographer in the world could do Groo justice :) Dean ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mail

Re: The Brights

2003-06-25 Thread listmail
On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 12:59:29 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: >http://www.the-brights.net/ > >Thought it was appropriate to post this since we've been hitting so >many spiritual/scientific worldview topics lately. > >They're trying to introduce a new meme: Or a new religion :) Dean ___

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: "Jon Gabriel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism > > Wait, if one bulb goes out, they all go out, no? How'd they do that? > Aren't those things li

Re: Steeds (was: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroomcloud from meteor)

2003-06-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
At 06:30 PM 6/25/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 03:02:50PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > --- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >...Custer's Civil War record is pretty impressive. You don't make > >Major General at 23 by accident. He did that after having _13_ > >hor

Re: Bad Communion Bread

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll respond to Jan's message in pieces: > > > > Here eat this bread which has a high probablility of having an > halusinogen in > > it and drink these firmented grapes which have alchohaul in it. > > No, but lets look at your evidence. I looked up

Re: Fertility (was: Colour vision and pheromones)

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- David Hobby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [I wrote] > > Not incidently, some women will have a little blood > > with ovulation (the egg ruptures through the > ovarian > > surface, and can cause pain ("mitleschmirtz*") as > >well as some bleeding), and if she has an irregular > cycle, she might in

Re: this might be an interesting article

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted: > http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23375-2003Jun23.html "...“An integral part of CEF’s evangelical mission is to locate children who have not yet accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior,” the school district’s attorneys wrote. “Requiring teacher

Re: Fertility (was: Colour vision and pheromones)

2003-06-25 Thread David Hobby
> > Not incidently, some women will have a little blood > with ovulation (the egg ruptures through the ovarian > surface, and can cause pain ("mitleschmirtz*") as well > as some bleeding), and if she has an irregular cycle, > she might interpret this as menses. > > Debbi > Because We're Women An

Why J. Michael, not Joe M.

2003-06-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
For those interesting in both Babylon 5 and in math (or in this case, pretty funny numerology), or if you've always wondered why the creator of Babylon 5 goes by Joe Straczynski on the internet and in personal communications, but uses the name J. Michael Straczynski when working as a published a

Re: Steeds (was: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloudfrom meteor)

2003-06-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 03:02:50PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > --- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >...Custer's Civil War record is pretty impressive. You don't make > >Major General at 23 by accident. He did that after having _13_ > >horses shot out from under him. I would de

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud frommeteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Russell wrote: I think it's safe to say that Middle Ages were stagnant IN SOME WAYS, if we compare them to any other period of recorded history. It's not like the period 900-1000 compares to 1900-2000. Isn't that where the term Renaissance comes from? That's not exactly what I was taught. Accor

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 18:19:24 -0400 On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 04:11:41PM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote:

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Deborah Harrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:46:25 -0700 (PDT) --- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From:

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 04:11:41PM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: > Wait, if one bulb goes out, they all go out, no? How'd they do that? > Aren't those things linear circuits? You mean "wired in series". The cheapest ones are, and all of the older ones I've seen. But in the past 5-10 years I've notic

Steeds (was: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloudfrom meteor)

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Gautam Mukunda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >...Custer's Civil War record is pretty > impressive. You don't make Major General at 23 by > accident. He did that after having _13_ horses shot > out from under him. I would describe that as "very > brave" under any circumstances. Brave my haun

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/25/2003 2:47:17 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > They do have Solstice Parties, and they own LofR on > DVD; his wife (a fellow equestrienne, who in fact > introduced me to Darby and the neighborhood 'horsey > set') and I have organized Winter S

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Jon Gabriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Deborah Harrell wrote: > >>--- Reggie Bautista wrote: > >> > On the other hand... I have a tee shirt that > has a picture of Stonehenge and > >> > says, "Orthodox Druid" on it > >>I gave a similar s

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Doug wrote: Or a phenomenon that is beyond our understanding, but in fact has a logical explanation? Hypothetical situation: At some point in the future, God reveals him/her/itself in an unambiguous, empirically testable way. If that is going to eventually happen, then right now some religious

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Reggie Bautista
Chad wrote: My point overall, is that the term "Christian Values" can mean most anything. [snip] However, in most every case I hear the term "Christian Values" it is in the context that only those who have "Christian Values" are decent people, and the rest of the population is contributing to the d

Re: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread William T Goodall
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 07:07 pm, Chad Cooper wrote: In its most base form, I believe that a Christian is defined strictly as one who believes that Jesus was the Jewish Messiah, that he was crucified, and was resurrected. ANYTHING else is dogma, and subject to serious disagreement. I hav

Brin-L Chat Reminder

2003-06-25 Thread Steve Sloan II
This is just a quick reminder that the Wednesday Brin-L chat is scheduled for 3 PM Eastern/2 PM Central time in the US, or 7 PM Greenwich time, so it started about 2 hours ago. There will probably be somebody there to talk to for at least eight hours after the start time. See my instruction page fo

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Chad Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Starting over, I first need to make a correction. I used the word Liturgy > when I meant Parish. My bad. > > The responses have been great, and I could spend hours replying back, but I > only want to say these few things. > > In its most base form, I

Bad Communion Bread

2003-06-25 Thread Dan Minette
I'll respond to Jan's message in pieces: > Here eat this bread which has a high probablility of having an halusinogen in > it and drink these firmented grapes which have alchohaul in it. No, but lets look at your evidence. I looked up ergot and found: http://www.killerplants.com/herbal-folklor

RE: RIAA to sue hundreds of Internet file sharers

2003-06-25 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: "Chad Cooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Killer Bs Discussion'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: RIAA to sue hundreds of Internet file sharers Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 13:06:31 -0700 So lets do the math 10,000,000 thieving hippies downl

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Ronn!Blankenship <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Killer Bs Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2003 14:27:26 -0500 At 12:01 PM 6/25/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Reg

RE: RIAA to sue hundreds of Internet file sharers

2003-06-25 Thread Chad Cooper
So lets do the math 10,000,000 thieving hippies downloading music 500 get sued. that means 1 in 20,000 will get sued. Real risk, my ass! I have a 1 in ~1800 chance of dying in an accident in the next year. I have much more to fear than getting sued by RIAA. Hey RIAA Here I am! Com

RIAA to sue hundreds of Internet file sharers

2003-06-25 Thread Jon Gabriel
http://www.salon.com/tech/wire/2003/06/25/filesharing/index.html Excerpt: RIAA to sue hundreds of Internet users sharing songs online - - - - - - - - - - - - By Ted Bridis June 25, 2003 Ê|Ê WASHINGTON (AP) -- The embattled music industry disclosed aggressive plans Wednesday for an unprecedented

Re: [Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 12:01 PM 6/25/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: --- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand... I have a tee shirt that has a > picture of Stonehenge and > says, "Orthodox Druid" on it. I like the shirt > because it's a joke -- there > is no such thing as orthodoxy among d

Neil deGrasse Tyson on Extrasolar Life II

2003-06-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
[Part II of Monday's article] [Image] Search for Life in the Universe II Date Wednesday, June 25 @ 00:05:28 Topic Extrasolar Life In this two-part essay, Director of the Hayden Planetarium, Neil deGrasse Tyson, reflects on the scientific and cultural implications of finding life elsewhere in th

[Humor] RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Reggie Bautista <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On the other hand... I have a tee shirt that has a > picture of Stonehenge and > says, "Orthodox Druid" on it. I like the shirt > because it's a joke -- there > is no such thing as orthodoxy among druids. > Orthodox druid is as much an > oxym

Neil deGrasse Tyson on Extrasolar Life

2003-06-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
[Presented without comment from the sender.] [Image] Search for Life in the Universe I Date Monday, June 23 @ 00:01:13 Topic Extrasolar Life In this two-part essay, Director of the Hayden Planetarium, Neil deGrasse Tyson, reflects on the scientific and cultural implications of finding life else

Fertility (was: Colour vision and pheromones)

2003-06-25 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- The Fool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It is impossible for someone to become pregnant when > they are having their period. We try not to use the word "impossible" in medicine, as sooner or later we are proven wrong (frex, while essentially 100% of a person's mitochondria come from the m

Re: Scatological Re: Neanderthal Question Regarding ReligionandAtheism

2003-06-25 Thread Julia Thompson
"Ronn!Blankenship" wrote: > > At 09:12 AM 6/23/03 -0700, Nick Arnett wrote: > > >Having recently had the displeasure of seeing the inside of my very own > >colon, I can tell you that it all seems to start out rather green. > > Which is why green *vomit* is considered a serious symptom, as it come

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Chad Cooper
Starting over, I first need to make a correction. I used the word Liturgy when I meant Parish. My bad. The responses have been great, and I could spend hours replying back, but I only want to say these few things. In its most base form, I believe that a Christian is defined strictly as one who be

RE: constatine's hot 'cross' buns

2003-06-25 Thread Horn, John
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > But where's Groo? Wandering around in those dark and twisty passages. Oh wait... that's grue. Sorry. - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The chinese invented the printing press. That german > just copied it. > > = > _ >Jan William Coffey The Chinese invented _movable type_, which is a very long way away from Gutenberg's

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Jan Coffey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For a long time custer was considered by history to > have been very brave and > a good warior. As it turns out he wasn't. > _ >Jan William Coffey He wasn't? While he wasn't exactly brillian

Re: Another ultrasound

2003-06-25 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Kevin Tarr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> We don't want any 2 of our kids named similarly. Also, I'd be happier if no two had the same first initial, and if none of them shared a first initial with either of their parents. (My sister and I had to go to middle initials in labelling things that were la

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Horn, John
> From: Nick Arnett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > God certainly was clever to invent evolution. > > > > > > > Hmm... I think it is fascinating how evolution has created God. > > Ah! They're co-conspirators! Or at least co-dependents... - jmh _

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >--- Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Or that it was a medieval German that invented the printing press. > > > >The chinese invented the printing press. That german just copied it. > > IIRC the Chinese version used wooden blocks where the text was fi

RE: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Horn, John
> From: Deborah Harrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > AFAIK, nearly all other Protestant denominations focus > on Communion more "as remembrance of me [Jesus]," > rather than any actual change or spiritual presence in > the bread and wine (or, as in one church I attended > with a friend, some type

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud from meteor impact

2003-06-25 Thread Damon
--- Damon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Or that it was a medieval German that invented the printing press. The chinese invented the printing press. That german just copied it. IIRC the Chinese version used wooden blocks where the text was fixed. The German version used a pallete composed of individ

RE: Question Regarding Religion and Atheism (L3)

2003-06-25 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 10:44 AM 6/24/03 -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: > When I think of "Christian values," I think of such things as > honesty, > charity, love for your fellow humans, not stealing, not > murdering, not > committing adultery (which by definition involves someone who > is married to > another and therefore

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Matt Grimaldi
> Nick wrote: > >You (plural) don't believe that Jesus is fully human? > Reggie Bautista wrote: > > To further muddy matters, some Catholics > use the term "Christian" as short-hand > for "Fundamentalist Christian." I've only heard that from the other direction, as in "I'm not Catholic, I'm Chr

Re: Scouted: Big-Fish Stocks Fall 90 Percent Since 1950

2003-06-25 Thread Jean-Louis Couturier
At 22:35 2003-06-23 +0100, you wrote: On 23 Jun 2003 at 17:09, Jean-Louis Couturier wrote: > >National Geographic News February 26, 2002 The demand for fresh fish > >in homes and restaurants around the world is soaring at a time when > >well-established fisheries are becoming exhausted. To meet th

Re: Catholicism Re: james ossuary a fake - scientists

2003-06-25 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/25/2003 1:05:34 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > ISHIRTA? > > Doug I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again, BBC radio programme, where John Cleese got his start performing, and Eric Idle was a writer. Is this the launch that faced a thousand ships? The

Re: Another ultrasound

2003-06-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
We don't want any 2 of our kids named similarly. Also, I'd be happier if no two had the same first initial, and if none of them shared a first initial with either of their parents. (My sister and I had to go to middle initials in labelling things that were labelled with just initials, and I know

history of pal-isr conflict

2003-06-25 Thread Kevin Tarr
http://www.jerrybowyer.com/index.php?newsid=156 Old topic now. Five transcripts on this page, in doc format. This seemed to sum up the region well for me. I don't think there were any contradictions to what others have said on-list, but fills in all the gaps. Kevin Tarr I can directly send a te

southern baptist convention to 'liberate gays from homosexuality'

2003-06-25 Thread The Fool
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/Southwest/06/19/southern.baptists.ap/ The denomination made a special plea to its more than 42,000 churches to befriend gays and help "liberate" them from homosexuality. Gay rights groups said the initiative promoted hatred. ... The denomination acknowledged the sev

Re: Constantine's "cross" may have been mushroom cloud from meteorimpact

2003-06-25 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Doug Pensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jan Coffey wrote: > > > You can't beleive everything you read, but you also can't allways trust > the > > "experts" when it comes to a topic like history. Especialy when so many > of > > them disagree. > > I haven't read Cahill, but I have read Gun