Re: [ADMIN] Brownout

2004-01-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Nick Arnett wrote: If the list disappears for a while, you'll know why, at least. We're having to shut down for a while... but I probably won't bother posting a message when we're back up, we'll just be back up. nick -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[ADMIN] We're back

2004-01-20 Thread Nick Arnett
The power company found a transformer off-line and had things repaired around 1 a.m. Optimistically, I booted everything without monitoring to see that all came back properly. As I was heading for sleep, our main server came up with filesystem errors that made the OS refuse to boot (despite

Scouted: Fallout from the presentation of Iraq's WoMD status

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Current and future potential fallout from the credibility gap WRT US intelligence, Iraq's WoMD, and the presentation of 'likelihoods and unresolved questions as facts:' http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3996047/ The Bush administration's inability to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq -- after

Re: Martian Emotion

2004-01-20 Thread Robert J. Chassell
As I see it there are three ways to get things into orbit (or a battle) 4) Space Elevator. And Ye call yeself a brin fan. But the point is to use existing, known technology. The goal is to propose programs that will be seen by everyone as having a very good chance of

[ADMIN] Backlog...

2004-01-20 Thread Nick Arnett
We had quite a backlog of e-mail, which I think is now all processed (this incident helped me find another choke point in the spam and virus prevention stuff in our server)... but I see no Brin-L messages from the time that the server was down. I certainly hope nothing was lost, but if you

Re: Martian Emotion

2004-01-20 Thread Robert J. Chassell
Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked Why couldn't you build a lauch vehicle with a fan-jet 1st stage (recoverable), Ram or scram jet 2nd stage (stage and recovery both optional) and a rocket 2nd or 3rd stage (disposible)? Yes, you could. Indeed, the Pegasus launch system uses

RE: SotU 2004 drinking game

2004-01-20 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Tarr Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 04:50 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: SotU 2004 drinking game http://www.drinkinggame.us/ I think they left one off. I'm not saying this to

Re: Wining with Dan

2004-01-20 Thread Dan Minette
I'm resending this Dan M. - Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:41 AM Subject: Re: Wining with Dan - Original Message - From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd thought of him as rather lugubrious before, but I was pleasantly surprised by the way he carried himself on one of yesterday's Sunday-morning political show interviews -- he seemed animated and much more dynamic. I like Kerry, he was my early-on

Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3996062/ Martha S. Jones has asthma, so whenever her husband, Bob, lights up at their Woodbridge home, the agreement is that he steps outside. She used to think that protected her from exposure to the more than 4,000 chemical compounds found in cigarette smoke, 43 of

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Bryon Daly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kerry will never be a Clinton-type charmer, but he's really not the Gore-type stiff that he's gotten painted as. Unfortunately, some of his campaign PR appearance stuff apparently designed to make him seem more regular guy-ish, has had almost the

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-20 Thread Travis Edmunds
From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: religious/political question Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 21:18:05 -0600 From: John D. Giorgis [EMAIL PROTECTED] At 12:58 AM 11/1/2003 -0600 The Fool wrote:

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Bryon Daly
From: Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston. I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated, hated, _hated_ George Bush. They also knew (as in had met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small state that running into a Senator is a

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Nick Arnett
Gautam Mukunda wrote: My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston. I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated, hated, _hated_ George Bush. They also knew (as in had met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small state that running into a Senator is a fairly common

Resend: Nuclear waste woes in court

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
I sent this over an hour ago, but it didn't show up (although the tobacco one made it through), hence a resend. Both low-level (the Carlsbad WHIP site) and high-level (Yucca Mt. in Nevada) waste is considered at court: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3978367/ WASHINGTON - The Energy Department has

Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
While I don't think that gender selection here will result in the same skewed sex ratio as has occurred in some parts of Asia, the lengths people will go to to get the gender of child they desire are, IMO, excessive and wrong-headed. I have no real objection to sorting sperm, as there is no

Scouted: Nuclear waste court woes

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Both low-level (the Carlsbad WHIP site) and high-level (Yucca Mt. in Nevada) waste is considered at court: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3978367/ WASHINGTON - The Energy Department has not done the necessary tests to justify relaxing the testing of radioactive waste shipments bound for a New Mexico

Resend: Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Ditto for the hour+ this was first sent- While I don't think that gender selection here will result in the same skewed sex ratio as has occurred in some parts of Asia, the lengths people will go to to get the gender of child they desire are, IMO, excessive and wrong-headed. I have no objection

Re: Scouted: Nuclear waste court woes

2004-01-20 Thread Dan Minette
Opponents of a planned nuclear waste dump in Nevada argued in court Wednesday the U.S. government has failed to ensure that the public will be protected when radiation from the entombed waste reaches its peak hundreds of thousands of years from now. Attorneys for Nevada and an

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: brinl [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 1:03 PM Subject: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure [Snip bad science for commercial purposes] And Martha then vacuums her new carpet, uses

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:07 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure - Original Message - From: Deborah Harrell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread ritu
Deborah Harrell wrote: This is a disturbing article (with some graphic description) about gender selection in Asia: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3990133/ Have you read Elizabeth Bumiller's May You Be the Mother of a Hundred Sons ? The methods of female infanticide mentioned by her are rather

Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based apeal. I think the answer must be affirmative. Indeed, Hoon characters could have such strong psycho-cultural charisma that they would be the key to

Re: Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 17:29, ritu wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: This is a disturbing article (with some graphic description) about gender selection in Asia: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3990133/ Have you read Elizabeth Bumiller's May You Be the Mother of a Hundred Sons ? The methods of

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:30 PM Subject: Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure - Original Message - From: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: Scouted: Nuclear waste court woes

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Dan wrote I've looked up the total risk, and after 200 years it approaches that of the ore that was originally mined. After a million years, the risk of radiation damage should be far less than that incurred by spending the night with someone. (System's still slow) Ah - my recall may

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Davd Brin
Wow Trent! Amazing thoughts. Just goes to show that You and the gang are the smartest fans a guy could ask for. Seriously cool stuff. Alas, Life with 3 small kids (age 6,9,11) -- plus many speeches and deadlines -- has left me with less time for writing and a need to focus. This is

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was it about Kerry? I'm often seized with a desire to vote Green. Nick Hi Nick. I think that the common complaint is that he is nothing but ambition. That's the phrase I've heard. There are a bunch of stories about that. He started signing

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: Just what is in that underarm deodorant anyway? Mine? Mostly a petroleum-based gel, as well as coriander oil, lichen and aloe. (I'd have to go upstairs and grab a stick to give the *full* list, but that's a good chunk of it. And nothing extra added for fragrance.)

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 05:21 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: Hi Nick. I think that the common complaint is that he is nothing but ambition. That's the phrase I've heard. There are a bunch of stories about that. Kerry started signing his name JFK when he was 19 or 20 to make himself seem more

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip bad science for commercial purposes] I clearly stated that these kits will have to be tested against medical laboratory standards to be considered reasonable. Frex while home pregnancy kits are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are

Re: Attn Br!n: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 6:14:55 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Seriously, could you two act as an archive of these cool hoonish ideas? Maybe organize them? I hope to find more time someday. Act? Well Trent has to be the Mary, because I'm certainly the

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 5:42:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The evident enthusiasm of a certain list member has given me cause to ask [Drool slobber run in cir--oh, wait. Taz comes later.] myself whether Hoon, as a literary creation, might have broad-based

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston. I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated, hated, _hated_ George Bush. They also knew (as in had met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small state that running into a Senator

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Robert Seeberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [Snip bad science for commercial purposes] I clearly stated that these kits will have to be tested against medical laboratory standards to be considered reasonable. Frex while home pregnancy kits are reasonably

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston. I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated, hated, _hated_ George Bush. They also knew (as in had met) John Kerry (Massachusetts is a sufficiently small

Planet Easter

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Planet Easter Humans discovered that the second planet from Alpha Centuri A had life in 197_BxY. They sent a probe to the planet in 166_BxY and a near-light speed manned mission in 151_BxY. In the wake of Human exploration, Humans started calling the planet Easter after a desolate island in

Re: religious/political question

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:18 PM 1/19/2004 -0600 The Fool wrote: So should we consider mouth / intestinal bacteria to have human rights because they have unique and individual genetic codes different from the host? I only assign human rights to organisms classified in homo sapiens. JDG

Easters Eccentric Seasons

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Sorry, forgot this: !DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN HTML HEAD META HTTP-EQUIV=CONTENT-TYPE CONTENT=text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 TITLEEaster Seasons/TITLE META NAME=AUTHOR CONTENT=Trent Shipley STYLE !--

RE: Gender selection

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: This is a disturbing article (with some graphic description) about gender selection in Asia: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3990133/ Have you read Elizabeth Bumiller's May You Be the Mother of a Hundred Sons ? The methods of female

[L3] Re: Scouted: Nuclear waste court woes

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Man, if people have as much trouble trying to find decent medical info on the net as I am about nuclear waste, they must get mighty frustrated! Navigating the DOE or NRC or EPA sites ought to be a mini-course. And from a Dogpile search I've learned that Yucca Mountain is going to explode like an

Trent Lott on recess appointments

2004-01-20 Thread The Fool
http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/79.html Trent Lott on recess appointments: THEN Any appointment of a federal judge during a recess should be opposed. - Sen. Trent Lott (R-MS) opposing the appointment of an African American judge, December 2000 NOW Judge

Re: Planet Easter

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 7:09:15 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: After the disaster, the GIM dropped the ball. Easter was never surveyed again. Researchers speculate that whatever caused the powers-that-be to loose track of Earth also effected Alpha Centuri

South Park - all new levels of wrongness.

2004-01-20 Thread Gary Nunn
I don't watch South Park very often, but every time I do, they seem to reach all new levels of wrongness. The episode where Santa was taken captive in Iraq and they recruited Jesus to help save him in a commando raid was so over the top, I was speechless. Gary

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Julia Thompson wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda wrote: My own sense of Kerry comes from five years in Boston. I kept running into liberal Democrats who hated, hated, _hated_ George Bush. They also knew (as in had met) John Kerry

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Monday 2004-01-19 01:55, The Fool wrote: From: Trent Shipley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12 MYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered. Within 1000 years it is extinct. 52 KYA: The last recorded wolfling race, the Paranaj, is discovered. Within a thousand years,

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Davd Brin
All way-cool observations! Kurosawa Japanese... har! = . . * Please note. My email address of many years is changing FROM [EMAIL PROTECTED] TO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... (Or else use [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ___

Re: South Park - all new levels of wrongness.

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: The Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:09 PM Subject: Re: South Park - all new levels of wrongness. From: Gary Nunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't watch South Park very often, but every time I

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lost track of which galaxy is which number here. Just in case... 141 MYA: [Contacting Aliens entry ignored.] I don't have a copy handy. I don't remember which entry this is. But I do know that

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry) Julia Thompson wrote: John D. Giorgis wrote: At 12:11 PM 1/20/2004 -0800 Gautam Mukunda

Re: Attn Br!n: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:33:04 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: All way-cool observations! Kurosawa Japanese... har! Our artist of Contacting Aliens has not yet answered back. If Brin does not do it, I'll have to try to fill in. We have to have a hoon

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Deborah Harrell
Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snip Frex while home pregnancy kits are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are *not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses cycle day (2-4 weeks). Huh. I never had a problem with a false negative. I'm

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread John D. Giorgis
At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: It's not that far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in the past 20 years. Especially if you were seeking out people who had been active in

Re: South Park - all new levels of wrongness.

2004-01-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
The Fool wrote: If you want to reach new levels of wrongness you need to watch sealab 2021 or Aqua Teen Hunger Force. Or the state of the union 8^) -- Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
On Tuesday 2004-01-20 20:43, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/20/2004 8:04:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lost track of which galaxy is which number here. I didn't so much loose track of each Galaxy as give up on tracking them. I just tried to keep a

Off on a tangent Re: [L3] Re: Scouted: Nuclear waste court woes

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Debbi It's snowing outside right now... Well, at least the snow is water-based, right? In a RPG once (Traveller), I heard a story about a party that landed on a planet and asked the GM about the weather. It's snowing. Ammonia. Julia

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Robert Seeberger wrote: - Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry) (I never ran into my own Congressional representative from that time,

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry. Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident (shoot on sight as a Jophur) when the Streaker rescued the kids?

Re: 2004 Elections (and Kerry)

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
John D. Giorgis wrote: At 09:00 PM 1/20/2004 -0600 Julia Thompson wrote: It's not that far-fetched to have run into someone in eastern Massachusetts who'd have run into some particular Congressman elected from that area sometime in the past 20 years. Especially if you were seeking out

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Julia Thompson
Deborah Harrell wrote: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: snip Frex while home pregnancy kits are reasonably accurate after ~6-8 weeks, they are *not* 99% as claimed on the first missed menses cycle day (2-4 weeks). Huh. I never had a problem

Re: Uplift Timeline (was Tg Territories)

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:31:48 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I do know that as presented in Contacting Aliens, Earth's entire age of dinosaurs occured outside of the current Galactic Civilization. What do you mean by outside? The galactics never

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Doug Pensinger
Julia wrote: Uh, yeah. How hard can it be to pee on the correct part of the thing, anyway? :) Depends on how far awy you stand. 8^) -- Doug ROU Target Practice ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:59:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What ever happened to Tug. He left Kazzkark with Alvin for Hurumphta, but he/it/they (whatever) didn't make the cut for Alvin's last journal entry. Didn't the Neo-Fin kill him by accident

Re: Attn Br!n: Hoon Genius

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 9:59:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Re: Attn Brin: Hoon Genius Date:1/20/2004 9:59:20 PM Ooops. I ment to give the poor man a break. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Scouted: Home test kit for second-hand smoke exposure

2004-01-20 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 1/20/2004 11:20:29 PM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Julia wrote: Uh, yeah. How hard can it be to pee on the correct part of the thing, anyway? :) Depends on how far awy you stand. 8^) The introduction of the strategically

Re: Tg Territories

2004-01-20 Thread Trent Shipley
Various Terragen Confederation Territories by GIM Leasehold Type --- I have altered the entry on Horst. I no longer think SeJ's GURPS Uplift 2nd ed and the A4P Encyclopedia are incompatible. An entry for Easter has been added. --- Terragens have 10 colonies and their homeworld lease on