On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I am not picking a fight with you, but what is
the
basis of this claim?
My question remains unanswered.
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/180
What the Heck Is a Neocon?
by Max Boot
Wall Street Journal
December 30, 2002
Conclusion
This is, in case you haven't guessed, my own view too. So I guess that
makes me a neocon. It's a designation I'm willing -- nay, honored -- to
accept, if it
--- Doug Pensinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/180
I think this is largely correct, except for this:
The most prominent champions of this view inside the
administration are Vice President Dick Cheney and
Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. Their
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
What makes you say he _was_ a major player in getting
us involved? He was the Deputy Secretary of Defense.
Can you name the Deputy Secretary of a single other
Department?
Have any other Deputy Secretaries given major interviews on the most
controversial topic of
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:54 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Wolfowitz is more important
than I am (this is not hard). He's much, much less
important than the people who _actually made the
decision_. None of whom were Jewish. It was
convenient for some war opponents to create a Jewish
conspiracy.
On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:01 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 19:48:24 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
So, saying that GWB was influenced by traitorous Jews to hurt the
US
in order to support Israel is not anti-Semitic?
What a straw man we have here!
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
[Robert, I believe]
And for an object to have absolute zero momentum in a relativistic
universe the entire universe and every object in it would also have to
have absolute zero momentum.
I would have thought that was the case anyway. Surely
On Aug 16, 2005, at 11:46 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Aug 16, 2005, at 9:34 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
What I would ask also is, has the anti-war
movement no
sense of decency, using this poor woman as a prop
in
its attempts to attack the
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Andrew Paul wrote:
[Robert, I believe]
And for an object to have absolute zero momentum in a relativistic
universe the entire universe and every object in it would also have
Kevin Street wrote:
One thing I wonder about though that isn't addressed by this
research is the importance of symbiotic bacteria and little
one-celled critters in soil. Your average handful of dirt is
teeming with microscopic life, so it would be kind of a shock
to the system to put
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On
Behalf Of Kevin Street
Maybe little chip size radio transmitters could be buried with each
plant.
They say that houseplants grow better when Beethoven is played, but
what
composer would be best suited for Mars?
I would suggest
Andrew Paul wrote:
I would have thought that was the case anyway. Surely the universe
does have zero momentum? Doesn't it?
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Relative to what?
Andrew Paul wrote:
Yes, exactly...
I guess I was taking the view that kinda by definition, it would have to
have
Dan Minette wrote:
Whether one agrees with Sheehan or not is beside the point here.
Anti-semitism is the dislike/hatred of Jews, not necessarily the
criticism of of any group of Jews politics. Would even the lightest
criticism of the NAACP be racist?
No. There are plenty of
--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
What makes you say he _was_ a major player in
getting
us involved? He was the Deputy Secretary of
Defense.
Can you name the Deputy Secretary of a single
other
Department?
Have any other Deputy Secretaries given major
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Yes, of course. Everybody in the Administration
supported the war, Ritu. It was sort of a job
requirement.
Really? Who'd have thunk governments work that way...Live and learn...
The others just don't get the same
amount of press.
Maybe they're just better at
--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you are fudging a bit here, Gautam, unless
Bush appointed you as
the Chairman of the Defense Policy Review Board
sometime in the recent
years and you just forgot to mention that here. :)
Ritu
Not really :-). Who is the current Chairman of the
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:31:58 -0500, Horn, John wrote
An honest question: had Sheehan not used the words to benefit
Israel in the first sentence or not Israel in the second, would
this still be anti-semitic? The still flows without those words, I
believe.
More to the point, I think, she
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:36:34 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote
So, saying that GWB was influenced by traitorous Jews to hurt the US
in order to support Israel is not anti-Semitic?
Dan, that's just wrong.
Pointing at the NeoCons influencing our foreign policy is not the
same thing as
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:40:02 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote
I have to agree with Gautam. Claims of moral authority tend to be a
bit self serving no matter which side of the political divide one is
on.
I hope that you realize who brought up the notion of the moral authority of
the parents of
Gautam Mukunda wrote:
Not really :-). Who is the current Chairman of the
Policy Review Board? Who is any other previous
Chairman? Can you name any other members of the
Board?
Haven't the faintest idea. :)
But might have heard of them had any of them been as vocal as Perle in
the run up
Behalf Of Gautam Mukunda
--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think you are fudging a bit here, Gautam, unless
Bush appointed you as
the Chairman of the Defense Policy Review Board
sometime in the recent
years and you just forgot to mention that here. :)
Not really :-). Who is
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:11:35 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
No. There are plenty of criticisms that would not be anti-Semitic.
But, accusing Jews of not being loyal to the country and controlling
the country for their own ends has a long and nasty history. It's
like calling blacks lazy and
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 21:35:10 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Without going into the history of that particular
word, the most important neocon in the Administration
(was) Paul Wolfowitz, the Deputy Secretary of Defense.
The only reason anyone has heard of him is because he
is Jewish.
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:22:14 -0700, Dave Land wrote
I'm remaining skeptical: there's no solid evidence that Cindy
Sheehan had anything to do with this email, other than the fact that
it has her name at the top.
It sounds authentic to me.
But there's nothing new there.
Nick
--
Nick Arnett
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
The
_only_ below-Cabinet rank figures of any significance
most people have ever heard of are Wolfowitz and
Richard Perle. One guess as to what they have in common.
More friggin' racism. Those two have far, far more in common
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:47:17 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
Nothing in and of itself. But the accusation that is
made is that the neo-cons supported the agenda they
did because it was good for Israel, even though it was
bad for the United States.
*You* turned it into that argument and
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:11:35 -0500, Dan Minette wrote
No. There are plenty of criticisms that would
- Original Message -
From: Nick Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700 (PDT), Gautam Mukunda wrote
The
_only_ below-Cabinet rank figures
Dan Minette wrote:
Those two have far, far more in common than being
Jewish, under the assumption that that's what you're
dancing around.
You
are
choosing to reduce these people to nothing more than their
Jewishness.
Horrible.
Ah, why would a Jewish person do that?
When did
- Original Message -
From: Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:06 PM
Subject: RE: Mindless and Heartless
Dan Minette wrote:
Those two have far, far more in common than being
Jewish, under the assumption that
Dan Minette wrote:
He didn't. Zimmy has been one since birth. He and Gautam
are in full agreement on this point. If you want, I'll quote
the relevant sections of Zimmy's posts.
I just read all of Zimmy's posts in this thread and couldn't find any
statement which could be construed to
Dan Minette wrote:
Why not entertain the possibility, to use Brin's language,
that a person who has many fine qualities and whom you
like has been infected with a dangerous meme? One that has
been so intertwined into the woof and warf of Western
Civilization, that it is difficult to
- Original Message -
From: Alberto Monteiro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
Dan Minette wrote:
Why not entertain the possibility, to use Brin's language,
that a person
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:30 AM, Kevin Street wrote:
Maybe little chip size radio transmitters could be buried with each
plant.
They say that houseplants grow better when Beethoven is played, but
what
composer would be best suited for Mars?
How about The Planets by Gustav Holst?
--
Warren
--- Horn, John [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
OK. I'm confused. You saying that the reason that
Wolfowitz and
Pearle are known is because of the fact that they
are Jewish and are
neo-cons. But *who* made them well-known? Surely
not the vast
left-wing liberal media? The anti-war liberals?
- Original Message -
From: Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:21 PM
Subject: RE: Mindless and Heartless
Dan Minette wrote:
He didn't. Zimmy has been one since birth. He and Gautam
are in full agreement on
As Steve said,
The Brin-L weekly chat has been a list tradition for over six
years. Way back on 27 May, 1998, Marco Maisenhelder first set
up a chatroom for the list, and on the next day, he established
a weekly chat time. We've been through several servers, chat
technologies, and even casts of
On 17 Aug 2005, at 5:58 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
Why not entertain the possibility, to use Brin's language, that a
person
who has many fine qualities and whom you like has been infected with a
dangerous meme? One that has been so intertwined into the woof and
warf of
Western Civilization,
On Aug 17, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
[I elided the quotes from Benzimm because there's no point arguing with
someone else's words]
That is the core of the argument: the neocon caused us to go to war
for the
sake of Israel is a anti-Semitic argument. Gautam, Zimmy, and I are in
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:32 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005, at 5:58 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
Why not entertain the possibility, to use Brin's language, that a
person
who has many fine qualities and whom you like has been infected with a
dangerous meme? One that has been so
On 17 Aug 2005, at 7:34 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:32 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005, at 5:58 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
Why not entertain the possibility, to use Brin's language, that a
person
who has many fine qualities and whom you like has been
On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
--- Ritu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not really :-). Who is the current Chairman of the
Policy Review Board? Who is any other previous
Chairman? Can you name any other members of the
Board? I think I _might_ be able to do the last, but
not
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:46 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
Ha! If you're anti-religious, you must by definition also be
anti-semitic, since TTBOMK being Jewish is not defined so much as an
ethnic class as it is holding a religious tradition.
(See how easy it is to throw around a charge of
On Aug 13, 2005, at 8:54 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
The real thing we can look at is the magnitude of dp and dx that we are
talking about. h-bar is, roughly, 10^-34 J-s or 10^-34 kg m^2/s.
Let's
assume we have a 100 kg spacecraft. That gives us, dv*dx = 10^-36
m*(m/s).
For the indeterminacy in
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:22:14 -0700, Dave Land wrote
I'm remaining skeptical: there's no solid evidence that Cindy Sheehan
had anything to do with this email, other than the fact that it has
her
name at the top.
It sounds authentic to me.
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
He also, IMHO, has good reason to be frustrated with the denial on this
list.
I deny that I am an anti-semite, therefore I am in denial of my
anti-semitism.
What a load of bullshit.
Dave Apparently in denial about a lot of things he isn't Land
On Aug 17, 2005, at 10:21 AM, Ritu wrote:
I just read all of Zimmy's posts in this thread and couldn't find any
statement which could be construed to mean that the only reason Perle
and Wolfie get attention/are known to people is because they are Jews.
That's because it was Gautam who made
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:46 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've got nothing against the poor deluded people who are enthralled by
these poisonously evil memes. It's the wicked evil obnoxious filth of
the religious ideas I'm against whether they are Jewish, Christian,
Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist,
On Aug 16, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
The
_only_ below-Cabinet rank figures of any significance
most people have ever heard of are Wolfowitz and
Richard Perle. One guess as to what they have in common.
This is a little too much like argument form ignorance for my taste; it
On Aug 17, 2005, at 12:01 PM, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:21 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
But there's nothing new there.
And there's nothing anti-semitic, either. She *includes* Israel as one
of the beneficiaries of the war that cost her son's life, and never
even
comes close to
On 17 Aug 2005, at 8:23 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:46 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've got nothing against the poor deluded people who are
enthralled by these poisonously evil memes. It's the wicked evil
obnoxious filth of the religious ideas I'm against whether they
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:10 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005, at 8:23 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:46 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've got nothing against the poor deluded people who are enthralled
by these poisonously evil memes. It's the wicked evil obnoxious
On 8/17/05, Gautam Mukunda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The
_only_ below-Cabinet rank figures of any significance
most people have ever heard of are Wolfowitz and
Richard Perle. One guess as to what they have in common.
That's not true, I've heard of David Frum. Wait a minute... Oh no,
I'm a
On 17 Aug 2005, at 9:14 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:10 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005, at 8:23 pm, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 17, 2005, at 11:46 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I've got nothing against the poor deluded people who are
enthralled by these
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:23 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
On 17 Aug 2005, at 9:14 pm, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Not a religion.
Faith based initiative? ;)
Anti-faith.
Ant-faith, anti-Stalinist, ant-Christian, anti … hmm, wait,
anti-Christian, antichristian, anti … aha! I knew it! You're the
- Original Message -
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
He also, IMHO, has good reason to be frustrated with the
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Warren's position is easy to understand: most claims of racism and
anti-Semitism are worthless nonsense.
That, plus it's too easy to make such a claim in the first place and
get distracted in accusations, skipping the main point of the (a, any
On Aug 17, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
He also,
Gary Nunn wrote:
If this is real, no doubt the Bush Administration will propose laws banning
this technology on ethical or theological grounds so that their oil
producing buddies won't feel the pinch from this.
Not exactly real. Uses external battery sources and thus not entirely
reliant on
On Aug 12, 2005, at 12:38 PM, The Fool wrote:
If you could overcome the effects of gravity
and slow an object's (such as a space probe's)
absolute velocity to very close to but not quite
zero, would the uncertanty principle cause the
object's position to become so uncertain that
it
I'm amazed at how effectively this debate has
been transformed from a discusson on just how
accountable the Prez should be to his citizens
into an almost flame war about anti-semitism.
What will it take for trasnparency and
accountability? Someone dousing himself
with gasoline and burning
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:08:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
And of course we need to hold people like Sheehan to the same vigorous
standards we hold professional polititians.G
People who pu themselves in the public eye as Sheehan has can expect to have
what
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:12:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The discussion of anti-Semetism reminded me of a reference to Jews that I
didn't think was anti-Semetic. It was in Spamalot. King Arthur was given
a second task by the Knights who Say 'Ni': putting on
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:34:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Gautam, I actually have sat with Cindy and heard what she has to say about
Israel. I'm telling you that she's not anti-Semitic. I'm not going to go
along with your notion that I need to disavow her
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:36:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I don't see this as a statement necessarily directed against Jews, and I
think people are reading a lot of stuff between the lines that may not
be there. But it is an emotive subject, so that is to be
On Aug 17, 2005, at 6:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[Andrew]
And does she have a point about hatred of US Mid-East policy being
behind 9/11? Be that anti-Semitic or otherwise, is there any truth in
it?
So you are blaming the jews for 911? Yes indeed you are. Why not go
all the
way. The
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:40:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Are you really saying that for anybody to suggest that Israel has a lot of
influence in Washington is the same as saying that there is a century-long
conspiracy theory about the Jewish people?
Nick
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:48:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Shall we play The Oppressed Minority game? 'Cause unless you're ALSO
gay I have you beaten fair and square on that front.
Or are we going to stop being so goddamned infantile and TRY to have a
On Aug 17, 2005, at 6:53 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My point is there is no rationale discussion of things like this.
With you, clearly not.
--
Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
http://books.nightwares.com/
Current work in progress The Seven-Year Mirror
In a message dated 8/16/2005 10:50:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nobody has said anything of the sort and you're just fanning the fires by
adding such language to the discussion. Keep conflating Israel and the
Jewish
people and you'll stir things up plenty. I
At 03:47 PM Tuesday 8/16/2005, Deborah Harrell wrote:
Think of the possibilities!
http://my.webmd.com/content/article/110/109535.htm
Aug. 15, 2005 -- Scientists in Singapore have invented
a battery powered by urine. We are striving to
develop cheap, disposable, credit card-sized biochips
for
At 11:21 PM Tuesday 8/16/2005, Dave Land wrote:
On Aug 16, 2005, at 6:55 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 8/16/2005 9:39:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
your people?
Oh, you mean goyim.
Yes in fact I do mean the goyim. Because it is an historical fact
At 08:42 PM Wednesday 8/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there truth to the notion that many arabs hate us because we support
Israel. Well maybe. After all they have blaming all of their problems
since world
war II on the jews. They have refused to solve the problem of the
palastinians
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:07:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Cindy argues that the war deliberately serves the interests of Israel, the
nation, excessively -- that Israel, the nation, has too much influence in
Washington. You may choose to turn that into a vast
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:29:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
*Sigh*. No, SHE DID NOT. Nowhere does Sheehan make that claim. Get off
your high horse and argue from a perspective of reason.
The implication is clear.
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:32:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
An honest question: had Sheehan not used the words to benefit
Israel in the first sentence or not Israel in the second, would
this still be anti-semitic? The still flows without those words, I
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:34:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Isn't the president and much, if not all of his administration Neocon?
They are more oldo-cons. Neocons are a specific intellectual movement. The
president may subscribe to some of their beliefs but I
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:37:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dan, that's just wrong.
Pointing at the NeoCons influencing our foreign policy is not the same
thing as anti-semitism.
But the neocons have influence on many aspects of foreign policy. Their
suport of
In a message dated 8/16/2005 11:52:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Furthermore, isn't it not only possible but highly likely that the goals
of the Neocons are intended to be beneficial to both Israel _and_ the U.S.?
How about the US and Israel. But I don't think the
At 09:33 PM Wednesday 8/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way quick
name one christian neo-con intellectual.
Some would make the claim that Christian intellectual is a contradiction
in terms . . . at least if one restricts Christian to meaning one who
sincerely believes in Jesus
On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 09:33 PM Wednesday 8/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By the way quick
name one christian neo-con intellectual.
Some would make the claim that Christian intellectual is a
contradiction in terms . . . at least if one restricts
Kevin Street wrote:
Kevin Street wrote:
One thing I wonder about though that isn't addressed by this
research is the importance of symbiotic bacteria and little
one-celled critters in soil. Your average handful of dirt is
teeming with microscopic life, so it would be kind of a shock
to the
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:22:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
So let's see... You're not in favor of racially-motivated stereotyping
when it persecutes your people, but when it comes to me, it's
perfectly OK to paint me with the European-descended Christian
On Aug 17, 2005, at 7:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Do you think that criticisms
leveled at Jews are more or lessl likely to reflect prejudice than
those leveled
against christians.
What's the source of criticism? Comments from an atheist I would
analyze differently than comments
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:09:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL
PROTECTED]
writes:
I don't know and I don't really understand Bob's viewpoint - I wish he'd
clarify. PNAC and the neoconservative movement look to me to be the
foundation of the current administration so when I hear
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I
still don't think that Bush and Channey are neocons. I think they
wanted to
go after Sadaam and used the Neocon argruements.
Hmm, so one person that uses a given argument is *not* something, but
another person that uses a given
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:51:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
As for how the war benefits Israel, it doesn't take a political scholar to
figure out that as a democracy and ally of the United States, Israel could
benefit if we actually could turn Iraq into a
In a message dated 8/17/2005 10:54:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Ah, geez, don't even give the statement that much credibility. Cindy never
said a word about what any Israelis may or may not have done to bring about
the war. She was critizing her favorite target,
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:07:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
very disappointed that anybody would take Cindy's words this way. Very,
very sad. One can believe that the United States acts excessively in
Israel's
interest without being anti-Semitic.
In a message dated 8/17/2005 12:30:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Surely it is obvious to you as a student of international relations that
our
country has many, many reasons for supporting Israel than have nothing to do
with the fact that it is a Jewish state. But
At 09:54 PM Wednesday 8/17/2005, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Kevin Street wrote:
Kevin Street wrote:
One thing I wonder about though that isn't addressed by this
research is the importance of symbiotic bacteria and little
one-celled critters in soil. Your average handful of dirt is
teeming with
In a message dated 8/17/2005 1:22:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I just read all of Zimmy's posts in this thread and couldn't find any
statement which could be construed to mean that the only reason Perle
and Wolfie get attention/are known to people is because they are
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But that is the point Nick. The connection between the neocons and
Israel was
made by Cindy not us. It is her simplistic notion not ours.
Right; *your* simplistic notion is that she's somehow anti-semitic, as
is anyone who supports her.
Dan Minette wrote:
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From: Dave Land [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion brin-l@mccmedia.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: Mindless and Heartless
On Aug 17, 2005, at 9:58 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
He also, IMHO, has good reason to be
In a message dated 8/17/2005 3:08:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I deny that I am an anti-semite, therefore I am in denial of my
anti-semitism.
What a load of bullshit
Or you like many people in our culture do not acknowledge a subtle prejudice.
That does not make
In a message dated 8/17/2005 4:31:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Of course, there are a lot of Christian sects which have a history of
Jewish persecution.
uh uh - essentially all christian sects have historically been anti-semitic.
Really really anti-semitic, way more
In a message dated 8/17/2005 7:16:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It was only when scratch any non-Jew and you'll find an anti-Semite
paranoia entered this conversation that it got out of hand.
It is not paronia when people really are out to get you. History tells
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:49 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It is obvious to me that you don't know shit about anti-semitism
It's obvious to me that you're a self-righteous, arrogant whiner with
delusions of persecution.
I imagine by now that Dan is wishing to hell he hadn't thrown in his
lot
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For the kazilioinst time, if you want to understand why this remark
is hurtful read some fing history. James Carrol's Sword of
Constantine, Philp Johnson's History of the Jews.
Actually it's Paul M. Johnson who wrote _The History of the Jews_.
(This info may make
On Aug 17, 2005, at 8:56 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Julia
who has read part of something else by Paul M. Johnson, but not, to
the best of her knowledge, anything by Philip Johnson
It's always helpful to know your johnsons.
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Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books
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