Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 04/09/2006, at 5:58 AM, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 4 Sep 2006 at 5:36, Charlie Bell wrote: On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

I don't know if you know who Billy Graham is, Charlie. He's the most famous American evangelical preacher of the last 50 years. ...and I've seen him evangelise. A friend of mine is sending me an email quoting Billy stating that evolution and Christianity are fully compatible He fal

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 4 Sep 2006 at 5:36, Charlie Bell wrote: > > On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: > > > > > Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the > > universe... > > ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various > times that the designer is God,

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Charlie Bell > Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 9:36 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design > > The conflict is

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 02/09/2006, at 6:41 PM, Andrew Crystall wrote: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe... ...apart from all the major ID spokespeople have said at various times that the designer is God, and a number of them are YECs who were convinced that pretendi

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 2 Sep 2006 at 20:04, David Hobby wrote: > Andrew Crystall wrote: > ... > > You won't actually get many Rabbis willing to hold forth on pure > ... > > That's why I brought up many-words/multiverse - in that, we are not > > unique snowflakes at all. There are at "alpha" versions of you, for >

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Andrew Crystall wrote: ... You won't actually get many Rabbis willing to hold forth on pure ... That's why I brought up many-words/multiverse - in that, we are not unique snowflakes at all. There are at "alpha" versions of you, for example, if they're true. I'm not going to get into transinfin

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Richard Baker > Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:29 PM > To: Killer Bs Discussion > Subject: Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design > This being the case

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 2 Sep 2006 at 19:28, Richard Baker wrote: > Andrew said: > > > "inevitable" is a word which is loaded in itself, and as to > > "outcome", I don't think we're quite at the end of the river yet. > > This being the case, it seems to me that these religions imply that > humanity was supposed or

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Rich said: > > Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :) > > No, I haven't. I'll look out for it. Its a short story and the collection is called _The Red Pony_. A lot of good stories in there. :) Ritu ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Ritu said: Have you read Steinbeck's _St. Katherine_? :) No, I haven't. I'll look out for it. On a related note, Vishnu's incarnations, though mostly meant to sort out the problems of the bipedals [though not just humans], take the form of a fish, a tortoise, a boar, man-lion hybrid etc.

RE: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Rich wrote: > Well, it seems to me that religious people talk quite a lot about > "human dignity" and humanity being made in the image of God in some > sense, and it seems that in the Islamic/Christian/Jewish > religion God > has some kind of special interest in humans (or perhaps He is als

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Andrew said: "inevitable" is a word which is loaded in itself, and as to "outcome", I don't think we're quite at the end of the river yet. Well, it seems to me that religious people talk quite a lot about "human dignity" and humanity being made in the image of God in some sense, and it see

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 2 Sep 2006 at 18:39, Richard Baker wrote: > Andrew said: > > > Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the > > universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and > > set in chain the process which lead to Man. > > Do you believe that God chose the ini

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

Andrew said: Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and set in chain the process which lead to Man. Do you believe that God chose the initial conditions such that humanity was an inevitable outcome?

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

At 10:41 AM Saturday 9/2/2006, Andrew Crystall wrote: [snip] Further, ID has very little to do with belief that G-d created the universe...I, as many Jews, believe that G-d created..evoloution, and set in chain the process which lead to Man. And then what? Did He let things proceed on their o

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On 1 Sep 2006 at 22:10, Warren Ockrassa wrote: > On Aug 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: > > > There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his > > church more closely with the theory of "intelligent design" taught in > > some

Re: Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

On Aug 27, 2006, at 7:41 PM, William T Goodall wrote: There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of "intelligent design" taught in some US states. So … JPII wasn't infallible after all? What does that actually mean

Pope prepares to embrace theory of intelligent design

can's view of evolution. There have been growing signs the Pope is considering aligning his church more closely with the theory of "intelligent design" taught in some US states. Advocates of the theory argue that some features of the universe and nature are so complex that

Re: Sanity Prevails: Judge rules against 'intelligent design'

Gary wrote: Jones decried the "breathtaking inanity" of the Dover policy and accused several board members of lying to conceal their true motive, which he said was to promote religion. Thank goodness sanity prevails _sometimes_. Note that Jones is a Bush appointee, too, not a Michael Moore

Sanity Prevails: Judge rules against 'intelligent design'

Judge rules against 'intelligent design' excerpts... HARRISBURG, Pa. - In one of the biggest courtroom clashes between faith and evolution since the 1925 Scopes Monkey Trial, a federal judge barred a Pennsylvania public school district Tuesday from teaching "intelligent design&qu

Pat Robertson Warns Town Following 'Intelligent Design' Vote

Danger Will Robinson.. Danger Will Robinson. You can't help but love this guy. Idiots like him make us all feel just a little bit more normal. :-) Gary Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster Televangelist Pat Robertson Warns Pa. Town of Disaster Following 'Intelligent Design

Proof of intelligent design

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Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:06:33 -0500 Julia Thompson wrote: >Warren Ockrassa wrote: >> On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > >>> What about Scientology? Is it real? And what if David Brin creates >>> an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start >>> believing Him as

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:16:54 + Alberto Monteiro wrote: >Dave Land wrote: >>Alberto >>> And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun >>> or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? > >> You mean He isn't? > >We are not people. We are His Minions and His Legion

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Warren Ockrassa wrote: On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: What about Scientology? Is it real? And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? Now you're getting into the spirit of it! Hm. May

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: What about Scientology? Is it real? And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? Now you're getting into the spirit of it! -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Edi

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Dave Land wrote: > >> And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun >> or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? > > You mean He isn't? > We are not people. We are His Minions and His Legions of Terror. Alberto Monteiro _

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Wed, 28 Sep 2005 08:07:58 -0700 Dave Land wrote: >On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: >> And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun >> or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? >You mean He isn't? BlessHisNoddleyAppendage (sorry, ...

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

On Sep 28, 2005, at 6:35 AM, Alberto Monteiro wrote: And what if David Brin creates an Uplift Religion [just for fun or satire], and then people start believing Him as The Prophet? You mean He isn't? Dave ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinf

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Warren Ockrassa wrote: > >> Isn't that the point of the whole "Flying Spaghetti Monster" and his >> noodly appendages thing? > > The difference, though, is that Hinduism is real, and perceived as a > threat by many right-wing fundamentalist types. It's legitimate, which > means that a Hindu take on

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

On Sep 27, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa That's probably the best way to defeat the ID-iots, actually. Demand TRUE equal time for EVERY "theory" … and watch the furor diminish, possibly even reverse, as the flood of non-Christian creation myths saturates

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Horn, John wrote: Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa That's probably the best way to defeat the ID-iots, actually. Demand TRUE equal time for EVERY "theory" … and watch the furor diminish, possibly even reverse, as the flood of non-Christian creation myths saturates the biology classrooms.

RE: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa > > That's probably the best way to defeat the ID-iots, actually. Demand > TRUE equal time for EVERY "theory" … and watch the furor diminish, > possibly even reverse, as the flood of non-Christian creation myths > saturates the biology classrooms. Isn't that the poi

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

At 09:18 AM Tuesday 9/27/2005, Leonard Matusik wrote: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:46:01 -0400 Gary Nunn wrote: >Another thought just occurred to me... Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the >result of intelligent design... Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were >genetically engineered,

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Mon, 26 Sep 2005 19:46:01 -0400 Gary Nunn wrote: >Another thought just occurred to me... Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the >result of intelligent design... Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were >genetically engineered, by some alien race, to be slaves, cheap labor or >pets.

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

On Sep 26, 2005, at 6:06 PM, PAT MATHEWS wrote: Try the mythology of the early Middle Eastern cultures. Humans were created as slaves to the gods. Oo, nice. Of course there's the Hindu approach as well. It seems to me that any ID-iotic curriculum would have to give equal ground to pretty muc

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

From: Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Another thought just occurred to me... Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the result of intelligent design... Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were genetically engineered, by some alien race, t

Re: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

On Sep 26, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Gary Nunn wrote: Another thought just occurred to me... Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the result of intelligent design... Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were genetically engineered, by some alien race, to be slaves, cheap labor or pets. They should al

RE: In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

Gary Nunn wrote: >Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the result of intelligent design... >Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were genetically engineered, by >some alien race, to be slaves, cheap labor or pets. They should >also be required to teach that theory. I've o

In School: Intelligent design, evolution, witchcraft & aliens.

t, we have to teach witchcraft since there is just as much evidence to support it's existence as a religion as there is Creation.". Another thought just occurred to me... Wouldn't it be ironic if we WERE the result of intelligent design... Maybe, thousands of years ago, we were geneti

RE: Intelligent Design

Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:28:16 -0500"Horn, John" : >> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa >> >> This site has lots of interesting rebuttals to those who >> promote ID, as >> well as claim global warming's a crock and so on. Cute. >> >> >I've been meaning to post a link to this site for a week now and >hav

RE: Intelligent Design

> Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa > > This site has lots of interesting rebuttals to those who > promote ID, as > well as claim global warming's a crock and so on. Cute. > > I've been meaning to post a link to this site for a week now and haven't seem to have been able to

Re: Intelligent Design

On Aug 20, 2005, at 6:40 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote: This site has lots of interesting rebuttals to those who promote ID, as well as claim global warming's a crock and so on. Cute. The guy behind the site seems to be a very decent guy. He's a nerd, too. I told him

Re: Intelligent Design

William T Goodall wrote: Interesting article about the evil monsters behind 'intelligent design'. http://tinyurl.com/d89qz A closer look shows a multidimensional organization, financed by missionary and mainstream groups - the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation provides $1 mill

Re: Intelligent Design

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Re: Intelligent Design

This site has lots of interesting rebuttals to those who promote ID, as well as claim global warming's a crock and so on. Cute. -- Warren Ockrassa, Publisher/Editor, nightwares Books http://books.nightwares.com/ Current work in progress "The Seven-Year Mirror" http:/

Re: Intelligent Design

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Intelligent Design

Interesting article about the evil monsters behind 'intelligent design'. http://tinyurl.com/d89qz "Discovery leaders have been at the heart of the highest-profile developments: helping a Roman Catholic cardinal place an opinion article in The New York Times in which he sou

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

I want to bank on "divine-selection" favoring strong pair bonding as the motive. Coupled with a high desire for sexual novalty, further strengthes the case that A)God is a comedienne or B)God has no gender Leonard Matusik -<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Tue, 31 M

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

At 08:31 PM Tuesday 5/31/2005, Maru Dubshinki wrote: Consider: the expense for a male of sex (just the act) is neglible, almost non-existent. Not so for a female; if from an evolutionary perspective, the sex suceeds, that leads to one hell of an expense, esp. for a human (15 or so years of chil

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

eshiba's writings. > Among them is this: > > "If your opponent strikes with fire, counter with water, > becoming completely fluid and free-floating." > > The following article describes an Aikido-like counter to the growing > trend of state school boar

Re: Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

On May 23, 2005, at 5:46 PM, Dave Land wrote: When it comes to the human female orgasm, however, evolutionists are stumped. False. The female orgasm comes from the same zone as male nipples (metaphorically speaking). The wiring is there in both genders to produce analogous nerve endings in v

Scouted: Having Fun With Intelligent Design

s with fire, counter with water, becoming completely fluid and free-floating." The following article describes an Aikido-like counter to the growing trend of state school boards to insist that science instructors teach intelligent design as an alternative to evolution, and to teach that evo

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On May 8, 2005, at 6:47 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: I'm afraid I don't see your post's relevance- I suggested that counsciousness coulda been a random event, which would enable itself to be culturally passed down (and really enabling cultural inheritance in the first place, instead of depending on ge

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On 5/8/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In a message dated 5/2/2005 7:46:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > A goof point Warren, but you forget that genes aren't the *only* unit > > of inheritance- culture is also inherited. Sawyer could have just as

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

In a message dated 5/2/2005 7:46:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > A goof point Warren, but you forget that genes aren't the *only* unit > of inheritance- culture is also inherited. Sawyer could have just as > well postulated a race of hominids, humanoid pre-cursors, which

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On 5/6/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 2, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: > > > On 5/2/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > >> _Calculating God_, yeah. As it happens I just finished it this > >> weekend. > >> It's an interesting read but Sawyer l

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On May 2, 2005, at 4:46 PM, Maru Dubshinki wrote: On 5/2/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... _Calculating God_, yeah. As it happens I just finished it this weekend. It's an interesting read but Sawyer leaves a gaping hole in his story (two, actually), which he also did with _Hominid

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On 5/3/05, Gary Denton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 5/2/05, Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > ~Maru > > The wordless teaching, neh? > > Actually he is GOH at the Houston ApolloCon coming up so I hope to > hear a few words. > > -- > Gary Denton The speech which can be spoken is

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On 5/2/05, Maru Dubshinki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ~Maru > The wordless teaching, neh? Actually he is GOH at the Houston ApolloCon coming up so I hope to hear a few words. -- Gary Denton Easter Lemming Blogs http://elemming.blogspot.com http://elemming2.blogspot.com ___

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On 5/2/05, Warren Ockrassa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > _Calculating God_, yeah. As it happens I just finished it this weekend. > It's an interesting read but Sawyer leaves a gaping hole in his story > (two, actually), which he also did with _Hominids_. > > In CG Sawyer's aliens suggest that t

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On May 2, 2005, at 11:09 AM, Gary Denton wrote: Robert Sawyer has a novel about intelligent design. A spaceship lands at a Toronto museum and an alien gets out and says take me to you paleontologist. The aliens are studying the actions of "God" on several worlds in this part of the g

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

Those wacky wolflings. At least they're starting to figure it out! > > > > A page of links about the story: > > http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/dover.html > > An article on The Pseudoscience of Intelligent Design: > > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2005/4/27/035

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

d yet mischievous or blundering intelligence -- extraterrestrial scientists, say. Those wacky wolflings. At least they're starting to figure it out! A page of links about the story: http://www.geocities.com/lclane2/dover.html An article on The Pseudoscience of Intelligent De

Re: A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

On Feb 27, 2005, at 4:14 PM, d.brin wrote: [from the NYT article] So biology students can be forgiven for wondering whether the mysterious designer they're told about might not be the biblical God after all, but rather some very advanced yet mischievous or blundering intelligence -- extraterrest

A very good NYT article on "intelligent design"

-grade biology students were told that evolution was not a fact and were encouraged to explore a different explanation of life called intelligent design. What is intelligent design? Its proponents maintain that living creatures are just too intricate to have arisen by evolution. Throughout the