Under what circumstances is prostitution, as outliked below, different
from any other profession, like being a tax collector, an engineer,
a pediatrician or a policeman?
Erik Reuter wrote:
Contention #1: Under certain circumstances (legality, reasonable
regulation, etc.) prostitution can be a
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:15:44 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I realise I have been terse to the point of rudeness in my recent
posts to you. This was because it seemed to me that you were dragging
child abuse into a conversation about adult rights. I accept that this
is not what you
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 12:42:48 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Contention #1: Under certain circumstances (legality, reasonable
regulation, etc.) prostitution can be a healthy and worthwhile job for a
non-neglible fraction of people who choose to do it
Contention #2: There are a
Here are some questions:
1) Do you have a Bachelor's or post-graduate degree in a scientific
field?
2) In recorded history, have any physical phenomena ever occurred that
are completely impossible to ever explain scientifically?
3) Can a man and a woman have a healthy and fulfilling sexual
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Alberto Monteiro wrote:
Under what circumstances is prostitution, as outliked below, different
from any other profession, like being a tax collector, an engineer,
a pediatrician or a policeman?
Erik Reuter wrote:
Contention #1: Under certain circumstances
On Nov 28, 2004, at 10:08 PM, Ritu wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
But when you work at any job at all you are doing exactly the same
thing. You're selling your body for money. Even if your work is
strictly intellectual, since there is no way to separate mind from
body, you are *always* trading
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:31:33 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But, children are clearly capable of being sex workers. The trade in
child prostitution shows that.
Children are also clearly capable of being soldiers or coal miners too.
This doesn't mean it's a good idea, but
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On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 22:31:33 -0600, Dan Minette
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But, children
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:16 AM
Subject: RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, after reading one of the mails in this thread
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:35:37 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point that was made was not, since children are not allowed to
participate in prostitution, there is something wrong with it. The
point
is that it isn't just one more job. Being a soldier isn't just one
more
Andrew Paul wrote:
LOL, yes, you are well known for your callousness, you are
clearly blessed with a heart of stone!
*g*
You do say the nicest things to a girl. :)
I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It
would be best if we listened to one who had some experience
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Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 08:35:37 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The point
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be
best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I
have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 09:52:03AM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
My wife worked with strippers as part of her work with incest
survivors. That convinced me to not go to strip joints. Not because
it was immoral because seeing semi-naked women
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
So far you haven't supplied contrary
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andrew Paul wrote:
I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be
best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I
have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into
prostitution, either by force, or by
From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would be
best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters. I
have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are pushed into
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Andrew Paul wrote:
LOL, yes, you are well known for your callousness, you are
clearly blessed with a heart of stone!
*g*
You do say the nicest things to a girl. :)
Always glad to oblige :)
I get the feeling we are all being armchair
On Nov 29, 2004, at 10:45 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Nov 29, 2004, at 7:56 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
So far you haven't supplied contrary evidence. In fact you've supplied
nothing at all except, at best, hearsay.
Ah, if I haven't talked to the women myself, by
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
So, lets add a year and say she was 16, and able to work in a coal
mine.
Would it be reasonable
From: Julia Thompson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004, Andrew Paul wrote:
I get the feeling we are all being armchair experts here. It would
be
best if we listened to one who had some experience in such matters.
I
have no doubt there are women (and perhaps men) who are
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Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Dan said:
But, children are clearly capable of being sex workers. The trade in
child
William T Goodall forwarded:
http://skepdic.com/devadasi.html
Thanks for the link. Jogan Shankar's book looks interesting. Some of the
other links on that page didn't work for me, and so I did a quick google
on the subject. I didn't come across a site which had comprehensive
information but if
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
I'm unsure, furthermore, how you make the jump from paying
for sex to
treating the sex partner as an object.
I guess it might be a matter of the amount of choice enjoyed by the
women. Do they get to set their own price? Do they get to choose
between
From: Ritu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Well, after reading one of the mails in this thread yesterday, I
wouldn't say 'necessarily', but I would still say 'highly likely'. And
the reason would be that that is what most of us tend to do with most
of
the people who provide us with services. [I,
Doug Pensinger wrote:
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:46:36 -0600, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
Sex is tied to one's emotions, to one's sense of self in a
way that cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, raking yards,
going down coal mines, etc. are not.
No, but all
On Nov 23, 2004, at 2:30 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Damon Agretto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Yupa disproportionate number of prostitutes, and
strippers for that
matter, have been the victim of childhood sexual
abuse.
How much of this evidence is skewed in favor of areas
where prostitution os
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 10:27:28PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 03:30:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
One might argue that the problems are caused by cultural views,
that as long as prostitution is perceived as dirty or immoral,
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 08:30:47 -0500, Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My problem with sex work is a lot more from a feminist perspective
than from a religious perspective. The foundation of my viewpoints
on what makes things right and wrong in sex is that one should treat
other people
A very simple question - how many parents want their daughters to grow up
to be prostitutes?
Most every woman that turns to prostitution represents a failure by society.
JDG
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At 01:22 PM 11/23/2004 -0600 Dan Minette wrote:
Having an affair with a young women that is much
closer to one's daughter's age than to one's own is not healthy.
Based upon what factual, immutable, inarguable criteria?
Good for the kids, that sort of thing. For those who don't care for
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:33:32 -0500, JDG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A very simple question - how many parents want their daughters to grow up
to be prostitutes?
How many parents want their daughters to grow up to be toilet
cleaners? What is the relevance of your simple question to the topic
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:00:34 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prostitution is unhealthy?
Yupa disproportionate number of prostitutes, and strippers for that
matter, have been the victim of childhood sexual abuse. Or, do you
think
its OK for a parent to have sex
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:00:34 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Prostitution
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 09:26:57AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
In the social sciences, causality is extremely hard to prove.
And since one should be cautious about making decisions without knowing
causes, one should be careful about concluding that prostitution is
unhealthy.
--
Erik Reuter
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From: Andrew Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:25 AM
Subject: RE: More hypocrisy on display than skin
What is the inherent difference between paying some guy to play
an hour of tennis with you
William T Goodall wrote:
So if making it illegal doesn't actually make it go away and regulating
it makes at least some improvement in the lives of those involved...
False logic. Murder exists everywhere, and only insane people think
of making it legal. And don't tell me that murder harms
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:26:57 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No you weren't. You were asked whether prostitution was unhealthy and
you responded with the non sequitar that lots of people who practice
prostitution were sexually abused as children. This has nothing to do
with
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:45:53 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What is the inherent difference between paying some guy to play
an hour of tennis with you a week, and some girl to you for an hour
a week. In both cases, they would probably rather be doing it with
someone else (if
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 09:45:53AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
In the first household, the 15 year old girl is required to do chores
around the house (vacuum, clean toilets, mop the kitchen floor) for
about two hours a week. In the second, she is required to have sex
with her step-father 2
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:45:53 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What
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From: Martin Lewis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 09:26:57 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No you
Dan said:
But, children are clearly capable of being sex workers. The trade in
child prostitution shows that.
Children are also clearly capable of being soldiers or coal miners too.
This doesn't mean it's a good idea, but nor does it mean that adults
being any of those things is necessarily a
JDG wrote:
A very simple question - how many parents want their daughters to grow up
to be prostitutes?
How many parents want their kids to grow up to be tax collectors?
:-P
Alberto Monteiro
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On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:15:31 -0600, Dan Minette
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good question. Let me give an example that illustrates it. Lets
consider
two newly blended family. In both cases, there is a 15 year old
daughter
of the women in the new family. They all move into the man's
Dan wrote:
It is a different, related question. There is a hypothesis that clearly
fits the data, including comments by sex workers. Women who feel that
they already are in a degraded state with regards to sex are much more
likely to take a job that is inherently degrading.
So if that's the
On Nov 24, 2004, at 8:26 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
I don't. I'm sorry if my words indicated that. I'm just trying to
not
make assumptions...and after I've been challenged to find support for
things for which the evidence is well known
No you weren't. You were asked whether prostitution was
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Dan wrote:
It is a different, related question. There is a hypothesis that
clearly
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 09:45:53AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
In the first household
Dan wrote:
In short, I'd consider prostitutes women who are in a bad place in their
lives, not women who should be considered criminal.
This is a more reasonable argument, but still does not deal with all
aspects of the problem. As long as there is a demand for prostitutes and
women willing to
Dan wrote:
BTW, I'm not arguing either against/for legalization here. I'm arguing
that one should now be seeing marked differences between prostitutes in
the US and Germany/Netherlands as a result of legalization if the source
of the difficulties experienced by prostitutes is fundamentally the
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 11:35:59AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
It's interesting that you comments on my mental block. I have tried
to support my arguments with data.
To the extent that you have expressed a meaningful point, which isn't
that great an extent, it is an irrelevant argument to what
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Dan wrote:
In short, I'd consider prostitutes women who are in a bad place
Dan wrote:
I've been rather busy, though, fighting for the proposition that there
is an intrinsic problem with prostitution that won't go away simply
by changing societies attitudes towards the activity.
Everything has intrinsic problems, methinks, though some are less
important than others.
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:19 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Dan wrote:
BTW, I'm not arguing either against/for legalization here. I'm arguing
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 01:06:20PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
The personal history of people involved in something is totally
irrelevant to what they are involved in? Is that what you are saying?
No. I wrote clearly, and so did several others. I'm not going to repeat
it for a 4th or 5th time.
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 01:06:20PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
The personal history
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 02:24:19PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, more documentation should be forthcoming.
And it will probably be dismissed out of hand again, for the same
reason! This is so pathetic it is truly funny.
For your next trick, you can prove that swimming is unhealthy. We
already
Dan wrote:
So, the idea that prostitution is not problematic is immune to
falsification for 100 years or so?
The question isn't whether or not prostitution is problematic; it's
whether or not the decriminalization of prostitution makes it less
problematic. Furthermore, the fact that there are
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 02:28:21PM -0800, Doug Pensinger wrote:
One area I would expect improvement in almost immediately would be the
spread of STDs. I would also think that by legitimizing the industry
and levying taxes upon it that (among other things) improvements in
health care,
On Nov 23, 2004, at 11:22 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I'm picking one point to quickly refer to.
Again, cite the literature. Are these studies done only in nations
that
assume monogamous couples? How much social bias it at play when we
talk
about how hard/easy it is for a blended family to maintain
On Nov 24, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, Nov 24, 2004 at 09:45:53AM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
In the first household, the 15 year old girl is required to do chores
around the house (vacuum, clean toilets, mop the kitchen floor) for
about two
On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Strippers at a local high class
strip club, had put together a charity fund, and then voted to have it
go
to groups of sexually abused children. Teri talked to them, and they
all
had been sexually abused as children.
Do you find this surprising?
Behalf Of Warren Ockrassa
Do you find this surprising? I mean, the group self-selected.
Of course
they were all abuse victims. They set up a charity to *help* abuse
victims. But it doesn't follow that all strippers are abuse
victims, or
even more likely to be abuse victims. Your
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Nov 24, 2004, at 12:14 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Strippers at a local high class
On Nov 24, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Strippers at a local high class
strip club, had put together a charity fund, and then voted to have
it
go
to groups of sexually abused children. Teri talked to them, and they
all
had been sexually abused as children.
Do you find this surprising? I
Dan Minette wrote:
Sex is tied to one's emotions, to one's sense of self in a
way that cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, raking yards,
going down coal mines, etc. are not.
No, but all those actions could be turned into euphemisms
for sex... ;-)
On 24 Nov 2004, at 6:29 am, Ritu wrote:
If one takes a look at the accounts of the dev-dasis, even from the
region around the Khajurao temple, it is rare to come across women who
didn't aim to get out of the business, and who wanted their own
daughters to follow into the trade. And this is when
On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 21:46:36 -0600, Steve Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan Minette wrote:
Sex is tied to one's emotions, to one's sense of self in a
way that cleaning toilets, flipping burgers, raking yards,
going down coal mines, etc. are not.
No, but all those actions could be turned
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
So those who engage in group encounters are unhealthy? Extended
intimacy partnership
Yupa disproportionate number of prostitutes, and
strippers for that
matter, have been the victim of childhood sexual
abuse. Or, do you think
its OK for a parent to have sex with their 5 year
old girl?
Also, if you look at the lives of prostitutes, the
working conditions of
Damon Agretto wrote:
How much of this evidence is skewed in favor of areas
where prostitution os illegal? What sort of evidence
do you have in areas were prostitution IS legal (such
as Nevada, The Netherlands, etc)?
Talking about hypocrisy... Prostitution[*] is legal in Brazil,
but the
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Yupa disproportionate number of prostitutes, and
strippers for that
matter, have
On Nov 23, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Prostitution is unhealthy?
Yupa disproportionate number of prostitutes, and strippers for that
matter, have been the victim of childhood sexual abuse. Or, do you
think
its OK for a parent to have sex with their 5 year old girl?
While I usually
On 23 Nov 2004, at 9:30 pm, Dan Minette wrote:
http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~rmak/europap/rapned.html
which is a governmental report on legalized prostitution in the
Netherlands. It quotes studies, but does not quote evidence that the
decriminalization has resulted in a decrease in the negative
On Nov 23, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
So those who engage in group encounters are unhealthy? Extended
intimacy partnership groups are unhealthy? People who have sex in
order
to enjoy sex -- not to express love, but just for the fun of it -- are
also engaging in unhealthy sexual
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 03:30:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, I'd conclude that a preliminary review of the evidence indicates
that legalization does not remove problems with prostitution.
Surely you meant does not remove ALL problems with prostitution?
When you say prostitution is
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 05:41:30PM -0700, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
No, but when you go ad hominem like this (third time in one
argument), it's very hard to assume you have actual facts on your
side. This is little more than hand-waving in an attempt to discredit
my character -- that is, you're
On Nov 23, 2004, at 6:12 PM, Erik Reuter wrote:
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 03:30:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
So, I'd conclude that a preliminary review of the evidence indicates
that legalization does not remove problems with prostitution.
Surely you meant does not remove ALL problems with
On Nov 23, 2004, at 7:33 PM, I drivelled:
There is some research (I'll have to dig up the citation) that seems
to show that sexual promiscuity in women is linked to homosexuality in
their male children (!), and that those same male children are much
more likely to engage in sexual
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Nov 23, 2004, at 11:22 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Prostitution is unhealthy?
Yup
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To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Tue, Nov 23, 2004 at 03:30:09PM -0600, Dan Minette wrote:
One might argue
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
which is a governmental report on legalized prostitution in the
Netherlands
On Nov 23, 2004, at 9:37 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
From: William T Goodall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
But making it illegal doesn't make it go away. Even strict Muslim
countries have prostitution.
No, it doesn't. But, my point was that prostitution wasn't healthy for
society, not how/whether it should be
I'm unsure, furthermore, how you make the jump from paying for sex to
treating the sex partner as an object.
A guy goes to a prostitute because he loves her and cares about what
happens to her as a person? Is that what you are arguing? Its about
relationships?
Dan M.
On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I'm unsure, furthermore, how you make the jump from paying for sex to
treating the sex partner as an object.
A guy goes to a prostitute because he loves her and cares about what
happens to her as a person? Is that what you are arguing? Its about
I'm picking one point to quickly refer to.
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Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Or, to look at more common occurrences, lets
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From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 12:20 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
On Nov 23, 2004, at 10:52 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
I'm unsure, furthermore, how you
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
But making it illegal doesn't make it go away. Even strict Muslim
countries have prostitution.
No, it doesn't. But, my point was that prostitution wasn't healthy
for society, not how/whether it should be regulated.
It's healthy in *any* society that treats
I wrote:
The sex might be
mind-blowingly good [I don't see myself caring about his
pleasure],
Edit: [for me at least - I don't see...]
Ritu
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From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
I'm unsure, furthermore, how you make the jump from paying for sex
to
treating the sex partner as an object.
A guy goes to a prostitute because he loves her and cares about what
happens to her as a person? Is that what you are arguing? Its
- Original Message -
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
Impotence spots seem to adress long term relationships (marriages) that
have been
On Nov 20, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
Impotence spots seem to adress long term relationships (marriages)
that
have been adversely affected by a physical dysfunction. Yes it deals
with
sex, but it seems to deal with it in a healthy manner.
Please describe how you obtained the
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, JDG wrote:
At 07:52 AM 11/19/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I wasn't outraged but I thought the whole thing was in poor taste.
I think that it is important, however, to also note that everyone who
watched ABC's promo was receiving a message from ABC (and a very
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, Doug Pensinger wrote:
Julia wrote:
I wonder if we would even be having this discussion if it had been
Payton Manning instead of T.O.?
I think Payton Manning would have had better taste than to agree to
participate in the promo T.O. was in. :)
Now you see,
Julia Thompson wrote:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004, JDG wrote:
At 07:52 AM 11/19/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
I don't think that's quite accurate outside of San Francisco. TO
is
the #1 selling jersey in the NFL, IIRC.
Not in Texas, it isn't, believe me! A lot of people in Texas hate
him,
At 10:03 PM 11/18/2004 -0800 Doug Pensinger wrote:
JDG wrote:
Anyhow, just about every paragraph in this piece was off-target, but the
above are probably the best examples.
So it's just OK for the _sponsors_ of football to plug sex and
intoxicating drugs to this oh-so-easily offended crowd
JDG wrote:
Let me be clear that I was outraged by the Super Bowl Halftime Show long
before Janet Jackson ever appeared - everything from Kid Rock blatantly
violating the US Flag Code to a dance performance that was extremely
raunchy.In fact, I was so disgusted that I was in the restroom when
On 19 Nov 2004, at 12:31 pm, JDG wrote:
Let me be clear that I was outraged by the Super Bowl Halftime Show
long
before Janet Jackson ever appeared - everything from Kid Rock blatantly
violating the US Flag Code to a dance performance that was extremely
raunchy.In fact, I was so disgusted
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Subject: Re: More hypocrisy on display than skin
A player people love to hate - big difference.
that was directly glorifying casual
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