Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Judith Dinowitz
Marlon, this is one of the most misunderstood issues in the Torah, but I have no time to respond right now because I'm working on the issue. Aargh!! Why do I read CF-Community when I'm working on my magazine? Judith - Original Message - > So, I guess if we're going to live by the bible

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Doug White
When I was in high school, we did.  The "coloreds" had separate schools to attend as well.  They could only enter the back of a restaurant and eat in the hot kitchen, paying the same (or higher) prices as the white patrons in the air-conditioned dining room.  A tax was charged to register to vote (

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Marlon Moyer
So, I guess if we're going to live by the bible, I guess we can all start having slaves again! http://www.carm.org/questions/slavery.htm   Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world.  It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conque

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
Thanks Kevin, It's incredible to me that after all this time people still need to be reminded that history shows us that separate and equal don't coincide. > Good golly. Why don't we have "colored" and "whites" > drinking > fountains too? They're just as good, right? > -Kevin > On Thu, 15 Jul 2

Re: War by folly

2004-07-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:25:07 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > - The problem is that because of how people like Rush > use these techniques, they wantonly interweave truth > and fiction. > > Sounds like he's calling him a lier to me. I'm saying that he interweaves truth and hyp

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
Good golly. Why don't we have "colored" and "whites" drinking fountains too? They're just as good, right? -Kevin On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:21:27 -0400, Angel Stewart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good golly..perhaps you've found a solution to the problem, Bill. > > Now to just figure out what happen

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:11:12 -0400, Monique Boea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As I said b4, I cannot change how I look. I will be a black female till I > die, unless I pull a Michael Jackson, which I won't :) As will most gay people. Only a small minority of people choose a gay lifestyle, while a

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
:) as you say. I also however am genuinely curious as to the exact biblical source of this "abomination" belief. I have heard it quite a bit in my travels through the bible belt and have never seen it substantiated. The above quote seems to disapprove of men lying with men, but puts it in the sam

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> - Original Message - > From: Monique Boea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:04:15 -0400 > Subject: RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage > To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > This is from the book of Romans and there are lots of > instances thruout the > bible

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> When have the Hindus intervened in a single atrocity? > When have the muslims intervened in a single atrocity? > WHen have the Protestants? > The Buddhists? > When have the Anglicans? > When have the Jehovah's Witnesses intevened? > What case are you resting? During the Viet Nam conflict a num

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
well erm ideally you are fair regardless of your personal opinion. So let's say I with my current opinions on the fitness of Bush for office were to write a straight news story, as opposed to an op-ed or a editorial, on some aspect of the war or the election, I would include all of the details that

RE: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread Nick McClure
Individual writers may have personal bias, but I think most journalists can hide that.   _   From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:49 PM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong. ok, just for giggles what news so

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
The Catholic Church could have exercised its belief in redemption by erring on the side of re-assigning priests accused of pedophilia to assignments that did not involve unsupervised contact with children. Library research for instance. The Catholic Church could have denounced the massacres in Rwa

RE: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread Nick McClure
Well, here is the problem, because there never was a sale, and the only proof that one could have been are based on forged documents. I'm not sure how this proves anything. Is there a phone message from Saddam asking for a Uranium price list?   _   From: Sam Morris [mail Nobody ever claimed

RE: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread Nick McClure
Well, you are missing something very important, where is the Uranium, if they didn't actually buy any, then they really didn't do anything wrong. Regarding your link to France, do you think it is possible that French Intelligence manufactured the documents and was working to attempt to catch Sadda

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Fair enough. Although I still fail to understand how the Catholic church was supposed to stop these atrocities. Are you advocating that the Catholic church begin to amass a modern army to enforce it's will? -Gel -Original Message- From: dana tierney [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The la

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Tsk :) It's tough when talking to you :) Weren't you saying that in your opinion Sen Rockefeller's statements about the intelligence report were somehow due to this memo or pressures described in this memo? I though you said something of the kind in a post which also said nobody ever said Niger sol

RE: What's coming on Aug 3? or Doom3 gone gold!

2004-07-15 Thread Jim Davis
If somebody comes out with a decent dual DVI card I might just consider abandoning my Parhelia for better Doom3/Halflife 2 performance. Jim Davis From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 10:36 AM To: CF-Community Subject: Re: What's coming on Aug 3? or Doom3 gone

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Sam, I'll read your materials tomorrow. I smell a session of sentence diagramming coming on :) Dana On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:00:41 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ok. I started to say I was confused but really, I > > don't think i

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Gel I don't think he said majority. Pretty hard to argue the proposition that there have been some. But while we are here, I think it matters that these pedophiles have finally been dealt with. Should have been dealt with sooner, sure, but can any other religious group say that it has cleaned ho

RE: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
Sheesh Larry - sorry to hear about Augustus :( Many hugs from this direction. >>| From: Larry C. Lyons >>| >>| Today we lost another of our ferrets. Augustus was the oldest since >>| Possum died, we figured he was at least 6 probably older. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription]

RE: ColdFusion Host

2004-07-15 Thread Jim Davis
As far as I can tell my sites at CrystalTech.net all have static IPs "through the entire request" (although I'm not sure what that means exactly).  To quote them: "CrystalTech provides a static IP address for EACH shared hosting account. Unlike many hosts, we feel a static IP is essential to a ful

RE: WTF? $45 Million? (was RE: Olympic flame key in cannabis bust )

2004-07-15 Thread Erika L. Walker-Arnold
No one is trying to legislate social responsibility - merely commenting on how gross it is that they are spending $45 million dollars to fly a flame around the world - I know it's their money to do with as they please ... But DAMN! All those struggling amateur athletes ... I just think they could

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
I actually suspect that this may be the case, though I'm not sure I have ever said exactly that. But it doesn't matter. My point is that the teachings of the Catholic church are not the final moral authority. Even for me, and I was raised as a traditional high-Latin-mass kind of Catholic. So. B

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
shhh :) that was just a little side debate about what catholic teaching actually *was*. As a non-practicing catholic I  don't think they're the final authority either, but mmm I don't think all of the child abuse that's come to light was homosexual in nature. Was it? So let's not get distracted :P

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
You are quite correct about what it says about homosexuality, and thank you for clarifying that. That's definitely an authoritative source. I took a look but it is all more ... byzantine than I remember it. But wasn't there something about deathbed repentence? It might not get you to heaven but

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Not according to the County Clerk of Sandoval County New Mexico. Dana On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:32:32 -0400, Monique Boea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That is what marriage is. > > > > -Original Message- > From: Ben Doom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 3:19 PM >

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
When have the Hindus intervened in a single atrocity? When have the muslims intervened in a single atrocity? WHen have the Protestants? The Buddhists? When have the Anglicans? When have the Jehovah's Witnesses intevened? What case are you resting? If ,as you've professed on the list before,

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> And the point I'm making for the third time.  If this was > just about what goes on in the bedroom, I think most of us > would care less too.  But it is more then that.  The > interpretation of marriage does discriminate against gay > couples because they are being denied civil rights that > stra

Re: War by folly

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
well, Kevin is fully capable of speaking for himself, but immediately above that he says: The funny thing > > is that people who think in the polemic style are > > often unaware of the > > logical fallacies it can introduce. So they are > > honest in their > > beliefs that they are making logical

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
ok, just for giggles what news sources would YOU consider not biased? And heheEvery adult I knew as a child who was not a relative was a journalist, so I am finding this discussion amusing...AP has a political agenda hehe... but ok, you tell me :) Dana - Original Message - From: S

British report links al Qaeda, Baghdad

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
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RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Then so too the teachings of all religions. As within them all there are those that would subvert the religion, or those that go against it's teachings. Do you have any figures to back your claims about the majority of the Roman Catholic priesthood being homosexual perverts? Or is this just a b

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
Nothing to do with yellowcake. You asked >just curious, why would you think he is under a lot > of pressure to > make Bush look bad? Refering to Rockefeller so I mentioned the memo. Stay with us :) -sm --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I found the guy's website but I was like, wtf d

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Sandy Clark
One thing that I keep noticing in these discussions is that the basic overall reasoning always comes down to Christianity.  We have a separation of church and state, religious values should not be a basis for laws.  If the only reason against gay marriage is that the bible says so, then that is the

RE: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> My first guess, yeah I Googled it - so what, is it's a > Congressional minority Democratic Party Memo on how they > plan to make their opinions known on the way the "Senior > Administration" handled the intelligence and information > leading up to the war in Iraq; in case of the > Congressional M

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
I found the guy's website but I was like, wtf does this have to do with yellowcake :) Thanks Dana - Original Message - From: Ian Skinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:25:34 -0700 Subject: RE: pop quiz for cf-community To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> My first guess, y

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Ian Skinner
And the point I'm making for the third time.  If this was just about what goes on in the bedroom, I think most of us would care less too.  But it is more then that.  The interpretation of marriage does discriminate against gay couples because they are being denied civil rights that straight couples

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Ian Skinner
Actually, I think what has been pointed out is that the marriage laws in many states don't specify the genders of the individuals in the marriage.  Presumable, because the original authors just assumed that they would always be applied one man and one woman.  So most of the hoopla here is that the

Re: Funny As Hell!

2004-07-15 Thread Brian Meloche
Critter = Vanilla Ice?  You be the judge!!! :-) On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 10:15:00 -0400, Critter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > would you like to get complicated and start spitting out lyrical rhymes you ass clown > > > All right stop, Collaborate and listen > Ice is back with my brand new invention

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
--- "Larry C. Lyons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Didn't this memo come from a Republican operative > who hacked into the > Democratic party's system in the senate? Or a wastepaper basket :) How come filegate was a bureaucratic blunder but you think this was a crime? Is every leak in Washington a

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Monique Boea wrote: > > As I said b4, I cannot change how I look. I will be a black female till I > die, unless I pull a Michael Jackson, which I won't :) >   > I can't hide my race. Until you chose to disclose it I did not know your race. You didn't even have to hide it. > A gay man or woman c

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
--- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ok. I started to say I was confused but really, I > don't think it's me. > > - if the link does not support your point of view > why cite it? It tells the story except for the ending. >If there is a link in some reputable newspaper that you > do not

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Monique Boea wrote: > In my view, sexual relations outside of marriage (between a man and a > women) is wrong. Is that view based on anything else as religion? > Do you have ANY religious friends at all? Many. > Why is it so surprising that I feel this way? It isn't. But do you or do you

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Monique Boea wrote: > > But if a group of people can change laws (and PLEASE don't compare this > to the black human rights issue) then what is to stop other groups from > changing the laws to further change marriage, age limits, sex limits, > crime, etc. Like a man wanting to marry his daughter.

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Monique Boea wrote: > Does ANYONE on this list get my point about the "fear" of people chaging > laws to fits their lives...which WILL change society I don't. > Like teens challeneging stat. rape laws, drinking laws and the like. It is an important part of citizenship to question and challenge t

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Didn't this memo come from a Republican operative who hacked into the Democratic party's system in the senate? Considering the source this memo is not credible. Typical Republican behavior (Iran-Contra, Watergate, Tower Affair etc, October Surprise etc). larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:29:59 -0700

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Monique Boea wrote: > I think I asked this b4 but is MARRIAGE legally defined? It is usually defined as the union between 2 people, without any reference to sex. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Thanks Paul. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:28:50 -0400, Paul Ihrig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > sorry for your loss man... > it is some thing great they lend us while they are with us! > > [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Su

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Doug White
- Original Message -   I'm remembering this from speeches made by Pope John Paul II and   missives sent to Roman Catholic churches from the Vatican.   I was baptised a Roman Catholic.   What Monique said, as far as the Roman Catholic church goes, is true.   Homosexuality, according to t

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
why didnt god start with eve? then to adam kinda ghey [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
At the same time being gay can be a positive selection response. While your own genes may not get passed along, the genes of your brothers and sisters in your tribe are more likely to be passed along. There was a very interesting evolutionary psychology article a couple of years about such a hypoth

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Doug White
Monique, you are preaching to the choir.  What does that have to do with Civil Law, in a country where the doctrine of separation of church and state is supposed to be in practice?   - Original Message -   Subject: RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage   Sorry, sending again..

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Bill I think Wendy would have something to say about that. Besides sweetie you're not my type. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:07:21 -0400, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Say i was gay, i am in love i want to be with Larry Lyons the rest of my life... I die and i was rich i try to le

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
They do? How? Monique I researched this  issue several years ago, both looking at current methods and alternatives such as Reparative Therapy. I found no data in a methodologically adequate article from a peer reviewed reputable journal that reliably demonstrated that homosexuality could be change

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Doug White
Are you advocating that your bible's teachings be reduced to the law of the land?   Any Christian, as well as Muslims and others teach that homosexuality is wrong and impose strict sanctions.   Should the US become a Christian state, like the Islamic States, where we have the religious police dict

Re: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
Sorry, I thought everyone knew about it. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102275,00.html here's the memo http://www.hannity.com/story.php?content=/demmemo -sm --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What's a Hannity memo and why should I care? > __ D

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Paul Ihrig
sorry for your loss man... it is some thing great they lend us while they are with us! [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

RE: pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread Ian Skinner
My first guess, yeah I Googled it - so what, is it's a Congressional minority Democratic Party Memo on how they plan to make their opinions known on the way the "Senior Administration" handled the intelligence and information leading up to the war in Iraq; in case of the Congressional Majority trie

Re: War by folly

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
- The problem is that because of how people like Rush use these techniques, they wantonly interweave truth and fiction. Sounds like he's calling him a lier to me. -sm --- dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Actually, Kevin isn't saying Rush is lying.. he is > saying he believes > what he

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
thanks Dana. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 15:01:20 -0600, dana tierney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Larry > > Sorry to hear your sad news > > Dana > > > - Original Message - > From: Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:50:23 -0400 > Subject: Re: More sad news > T

Re: Helping Newbies

2004-07-15 Thread Jochem van Dieten
Deanna Schneider wrote: > > So, here's the question - if a newbie emails you directly - do you > answer? For how long? Time permitting, I usually do if the subject interests me and the newbie shows some clue. Telling why you can't ask on a mailinglist helps. Jochem [Todays Threads] [This Mess

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Yes it has, 4 in one year, and two of tehm were more or less out of the blue. The younger ones shouldn't be too much of a problem. They're quite healthy. Too healthy at times. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:21:09 -0500, Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Damn. It's been a bad year for you. O

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
thanks Phill. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:20:44 -0500, Phill B <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry to hear that Larry. I had to put my cat down a year ago. She was > so sick and I felt far to selfish to let her linger in pain. I guess > I'm trying to say that I know the feeling. > > Phillip B. >

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Yes a few. I'm trying to remember where you're located. But one hightly recommended breeder is Vicky McKimmie in Maryland, her website is http://www.mindspring.com/~jbferret/. Currently she has some kits and some adults available. larry On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:13:44 -0400, Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PR

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
A little story about the day I learned about homosexuality. I was 10 years old, July 1976. It was on a 3 day camping trip to Cape Cod with the Webelos (between cub scouts and boy scouts). On Saturday, we went to Provincetown, Mass at the tip of the Cape, where my father had rented a sailboat for t

Re: Stremaing Audio

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
it's hardly expensive :) Dana - Original Message - From: Monique Boea <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:05:45 -0400 Subject: RE: Stremaing Audio To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Live365 is very expensive tho. Streamer is free and has no affect on bandwidth. -Origina

Re: Bluedragon hosting charges,

2004-07-15 Thread Jeffry Houser
I had the same reaction the first time I saw that...   I assume that they are trying to be "first in the door" and when you have no competitors, you can charge more.  I suspect that over time the price will come down.   I'll also add that the BlueDragon Server (the free version) cannot be used

pop quiz for cf-community

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
What's a Hannity memo and why should I care? [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations and Support]

Re: Helping Newbies

2004-07-15 Thread S . Isaac Dealey
> Generally, unless I invite the person to take it off-list, > I don't > respond to questions not posted to the list.  I used to, > but then one > person (who I won't name because I don't remember who he > is) took > advantage of that, then got pissy when I told him that I > needed to get > back to

Re: War by folly

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Actually, Kevin isn't saying Rush is lying.. he is saying he believes what he says, But that he personally (Kevin) does not consider Rush a good authority in a reasonable discussion. Dana On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:23:28 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PR

Re: War by folly

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
hehe I think everyone has a right to be polemical and extreme. And I have a right to laugh and walk away :) Dana On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 09:04:23 -0700 (PDT), Sam Morris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- Kevin Graeme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Opps, my mistake. I missed the beginning of the quote. >

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jeff Garza
According to Catholic teachings, being a homosexual, in and of itself, is considered a "condition" or a personal cross to bear if you would and is not a sin.  Indulging in homosexual sex is a mortal sin.  Catholic teachings are that homosexuals should follow a vow of chastity. Also, acts of contri

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Maybe you are right about Catholic teaching then. I seem to remember something to the contrary recently, but I could be wrong. As I said, I don't really follow gay rights, and I don't feel like researching the matter. Let's say you are right. Whether Catholic teaching is the best guide in this iss

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
You were attempting to use a particular analogy to support your view. Your analogy does not exactly support the point you were trying to make. That was what I responded to. Also I do not understand this statement, it seems contradictory: "But yes i agree they would die out but maybe this is

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
Oh i understand where the religous right comes from and i KNOW why they are like that, and why they think they are better at times. Now if the people on the right could step back and say ok i see where you are coming from i still don't like it though then thats fine. Now allowing civil unions for

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
it's called an act of contrition. I am not sure it works for mortal sins though... but then I am not even sure homosexuality is considered a sin, since it's homosexuality we are discussiong. Dana - Original Message - From: Bill Wheatley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:24:56

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
I'm remembering this from speeches made by Pope John Paul II and missives sent to Roman Catholic churches from the Vatican. I was baptised a Roman Catholic. What Monique said, as far as the Roman Catholic church goes, is true. Homosexuality, according to the Roman Catholic church, is not righ

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
ok. I started to say I was confused but really, I don't think it's me. - if the link does not support your point of view why cite it? If there is a link in some reputable newspaper that you do not consider biased then please feel free to provide it - I am totally unclear as to how the cited story

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
Its easy, if a couple gets married/civil union they are the same as married in the eyes of the law, and we can use another word to keep the christian right happy :> First we can pass an amendment to not allow gay couples the same rights. What about next when the christian right takes a stand agani

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
We're not talking about gay adoption or procreation :> But yes i agree they would die out but maybe this is part of gods plan to let the gays exist? lol We're talking about the  right of 2 people to have equal rights. William Wheatley Coldfusion Guru     Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons,

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
Exactly and gays need a right to be able to share rights of a couple. :> Glad you are starting to see that its not about religion in the least. William Wheatley Coldfusion Guru     Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.   - Original Message

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
thank you. - Original Message - From: Howie Hamlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 17:15:01 -0400 Subject: Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage To: CF-Community <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You know - people can argue pro/con on this subject all day but I think most are miss

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
Sure but on your death bed if you (i forget the wording its been awhiel since i've been to church) if you ask forgiveness and accept jesus as your lord and savior then boom all your mistakes are whipped away. Sure i know there are 1001 different views on it in the bible let alone the major organize

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Good golly..perhaps you've found a solution to the problem, Bill. Now to just figure out what happens with insurance, mortgages, health care etc. as these issues are aside and apart from any Religious or moral aspects. -Gel -Original Message- From: Bill Wheatley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTEC

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
Sure they can try and stop and all but they are only fighting what their genetics gave them. Just like a person who is going to have lifelong fight with being fat. If they choose not to be gay good for them it doesn't mean it's not genetically decided. William Wheatley Coldfusion Guru     Do no

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
uh was this supposed to show it was an abomination or something??? Granted it says something about shameless acts but this is in the same breath as disobeying your parents and gossiping. If everyone in this list deserves to die, well hey, we wont need to worry about overpopulation for a while :

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Kevin Graeme
Damn. It's been a bad year for you. Or at least for your ferrets. -Kevin On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 16:04:58 -0400, Larry C. Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > Today we lost another of our ferrets. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Phill B
Sorry to hear that Larry. I had to put my cat down a year ago. She was so sick and I felt far to selfish to let her linger in pain. I guess I'm trying to say that I know the feeling. Phillip B. [Todays Threads] [This Message] [Subscription] [Fast Unsubscribe] [User Settings] [Donations a

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
Not for over 140 years or so.  Discrimination in any form should not be tolerated including sex, age, race discrimination and that should also include sexual orientation.   - Original Message -   From: Monique Boea   To: CF-Community   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 5:06 PM   Subject: RE:

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
But thats not what this is about. It's about giving gays equal rights. They can be quietly gay and not bug you but they can also be married. Or have a civil union they just want the right to pay their taxes together and the right to be able to get health insurance together etc etc. I mean some ga

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Angel Stewart
Then why try to legitimise it? -Gel -Original Message- From: Jerry Johnson   But, you don't need a "right" to be female. But, you don't need a "right" to be Christian. But, you don't need a "right" to be Hispanic. But, you don't need a "right" to be short. But, you don't need a "righ

Re: 9/11 Commission to Cheney - You're still wrong.

2004-07-15 Thread Sam Morris
Sorry, it was joke. I love to point out the bias of the NY Times. They ended the story by stating that the documents are now known to be forgeries. They want you to think it's all about those docs but it isn't. They were decoys. The original facts are still there. French and British intelligence s

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Gel, Funny, I don't remember that coming up in my catechism. I did not realize you were Catholic, but I suppose it is possible you know more about Catholic teaching than I do(?) are you remembering this from your childhood, or what? Dana - Original Message - From: Angel Stewart <[E

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Howie Hamlin
You know - people can argue pro/con on this subject all day but I think most are missing the point.  It really boils down to whether it is a good or bad idea to legislate morality in the constitution and, obviously, it is not.  You can's legislate morality in the constitution as it would be complet

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Jerry Johnson
Yes. Good thing some right thinking logical people decided to buck the laws and "the way things were done" and realize that equal rights just make sense. Equal rights. The same for everyone. What a great concept. Jerry Johnson >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/15/04 05:06PM >>> I needed a right to be a h

Re: More sad news

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
got any good contacts ona  good farm to get some ferrets from? William Wheatley Coldfusion Guru     Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.   - Original Message -   From: Larry C. Lyons   To: CF-Community   Sent: Thursday, July 15, 200

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Bill Wheatley
But if its outside what is the real world isn't that basically lieing to him? Either he's going to think you lied to him or that you didn't have a clue what life was like. Ask him whathe thinks, kids are the most none hating bunch we have in the world until they are taught to hate and discriminate.

RE: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread Monique Boea
Sorry, sending again... hopefully w/o the HTML junk 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of people39 who suppress the truth by their40 unrighteousness,41 1:19 because what can be known about God is plain to them,42 because God has made it

Re: Senate rejects move to ban same-sex marriage

2004-07-15 Thread dana tierney
Several people posted links at the time is all I am saying. Just pointing out the futility of arguing with a closed mind. But hey, I have been know to indulge. Here in New Mexico we had a county clerk conclude that the law did not preclude same-sex marriage and roughly 150 couples married in the n

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