Gruss Gott wrote:
> Nevertheless, you make many good points, however none of them explain
> why it is not possible that intelligence is correlated with skin
> color, which was Dr. Watson point.
>
> I'm just saying it's possible. That's all. To call it racist seems
> to reject logic in favor of p
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> Judah wrote:
> You really don't seem to have a conception of causation and correlation.
I thought I made that distinction very well: genetics are the cause,
all taxonomies would be, by definition, correlations. That living in
Florida is correlated with hurricanes does not mean that Florida
caus
Gruss Gott wrote:
>> Dana wrote:
>> about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
>> really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
>>
>
> What I'm saying makes much more sense:
>
> (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
This is false.
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:04 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Human Race To Split
>
> > JimmyD wrote:
> > The link doesn't work... but would that "top scientist" be named H.G.
> Wells
> > by any chance? ;^)
>
::sigh:: I don't think either one is a discrete measurable value. I
think the remark is in the same category as "women can't do math."
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
> > they are written
So -- what, me worry? ;P
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > it was carried out for that well-respected peer-reviewed news
> > organization the men's cable channel Bravo ;)
> >
>
> Dana makes a good point. Plus it says that the future will be full of
> women wit
> Dana wrote:
> it was carried out for that well-respected peer-reviewed news
> organization the men's cable channel Bravo ;)
>
Dana makes a good point. Plus it says that the future will be full of
women with pert breasts.
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it was carried out for that well-respected peer-reviewed news
organization the men's cable channel Bravo ;)
On 10/28/07, William Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I wonder, what *exactly:" makes it sound like "solid science" to you?
>
> And I wonder, last year when the BBC reported this same non-
I wonder, what *exactly:" makes it sound like "solid science" to you?
And I wonder, last year when the BBC reported this same non-story, did
seem "solid science" then as well?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6057734.stm
> > WillBo wrote:
> > But if this is the same "split" story that's been
wow. And why should we care what someone from the London School of
Economics has to say about evolution? ;)
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > JimmyD wrote:
> > The link doesn't work... but would that "top scientist" be named H.G. Wells
> > by any chance? ;^)
> >
>
> You a cle
> WillBo wrote:
> But if this is the same "split" story that's been going around for a
> while now, it's total bullshit.
>
I dunno ... This sounds like solid science to me:
Men will have symmetrical facial features, deeper voices and bigger
penises, according to Curry in a report commissioned for
> JimmyD wrote:
> The link doesn't work... but would that "top scientist" be named H.G. Wells
> by any chance? ;^)
>
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> Dana wrote:
> I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
> they are written to. Cultural diversity is as valuable as genetic
> diversity imho.
>
The answer to what?
All I'm saying is that the Dr. Watson dude probably has seen all kinds
of data suggesting that African
Article not found.
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html
But if this is the same "split" story that's been going around for a
while now, it's total bullshit.
--
will
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gruss Gott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 10:08 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Human Race To Split
>
> The human race will one day split into two separate species, an
> attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-
I don't think that the answer is for people to study up on the culture
they are written to. Cultural diversity is as valuable as genetic
diversity imho.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > cause what is intelligence?
> >
>
> But ignoring that point for a moment,
> Dana wrote:
> cause what is intelligence?
>
But ignoring that point for a moment, do we agree that there *could*
be a correlation between skin color and intelligence? It may not be a
convenient correlation, but it's possible ...
Back to the intelligence part, I'll go back to my capacity and s
and also, that's a kind of determinism. It's like saying well, if you
don't know what a piza looks like, kid, you are stupid and there is no
point in wasting educational services on you ;)
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mm. There may be a genetic component
The human race will one day split into two separate species, an
attractive, intelligent ruling elite and an underclass of dim-witted,
ugly goblin-like creatures, according to a top scientist.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html
~~~
cause what is intelligence?
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
> > those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
> > still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectu
> Dana wrote:
> mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
> those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
> still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectual, emotional,
> or mechanical ability would correlate with curly hair or skin color
> a
mm. There may be a genetic component to people's capacity for some of
those qualities which is nutured or hindered by the environment. I
still see no reason why a predisposition to intellectual, emotional,
or mechanical ability would correlate with curly hair or skin color
any more than it would co
> Dana wrote:
> a) you can quantify it but there are real issues with the quality of
> the numbers you get, at least in the usual tests.
I'm in full agreement with you as someone who does horrible on those
tests. However, even if we can't agree on an measure, there is
differences in intelligence
a) you can quantify it but there are real issues with the quality of
the numbers you get, at least in the usual tests. SATs have nothing to
do for example with ability to sell or put an engine together. I feel
comfortable saying that as I am someone that *does* score well on
these tests.
b) Tamale
> Dana wrote:
> no it is not what you just said. Cystic fibrosis is a quantifiable
> trait. Football team choice and intelligence are not.
>
Intelligence isn't quantifiable? As I've suggested, I would say it's
capacity and speed of learning. You could easily quantify that. I
guess I'm not quite
no it is not what you just said. Cystic fibrosis is a quantifiable
trait. Football team choice and intelligence are not.
on b -- I'll specifically say that you seem to make up a background
to claim expertise to support whatever silly point you are making at
the time. Kris.
I don't have time for
> Dana wrote:
> I am not offended. I just think that a) you're trolling b) you are
> full of it when it comes to being who you say you are and c) there is
> not an adequate definition on measurement of "intelligence" to support
> such a statement.
>
On point A.) All I'm saying is that Ashkenazi Je
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 4:10 PM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Just Beat "Portal"
>
> I was reading that there was a Remake of the Original Half Life in the
> HL2 engine, not sure if it was ever completed though.
Yea
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On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:4
I am not offended. I just think that a) you're trolling b) you are
full of it when it comes to being who you say you are and c) there is
not an adequate definition on measurement of "intelligence" to support
such a statement.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > I
I was reading that there was a Remake of the Original Half Life in the
HL2 engine, not sure if it was ever completed though.
I understand about the playtesting, and that's why I say that they
just can't bring these games out on a decent timeframe as regular
'Episodes'. They are too complicated. Wh
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> Dana wrote:
> I'm saying that intelligence *as measured in say the Stanford-Binet*
> is at least partially cutural.
>
"Intelligence" (whatever that is, but I would say capacity and speed
of learning) is 100% genetic and MAY correlate or be caused by other
genetic traits which could include skin
Right and these are cultural values, yes? Do they make the people who
hold them any less intelligent? I say no. Verbal intelligence is only
one type of intelligence (to take an example that I do not claim has
any cultural links). Respect for education is indedendent of actual
smarts, right? I am su
on the opposite side of the coin.
i am going back to play the original Half-Life.
since i totally skipped it when it first came out due to my love for Quake 3
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On 10/28/07, Dinner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
>
> Heh. Last I was thinking about it, there was that whole
> "nurture" aspect. Sorta throws a wrench, neh?
>
> If only things were
I'm saying that intelligence *as measured in say the Stanford-Binet*
is at least partially cutural.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Dana wrote:
> > about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
> > really saying there is no such thing as cultural bia
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
Heh. Last I was thinking about it, there was that whole
"nurture" aspect. Sorta throws a wrench, neh?
If only things were cut and dry, right? Easy?
Speed AND position, no problemo! :-]
Why?
Because of the number of non-conforming.
The number of highly intelligent people that come from lower intelligence
(appearing) parents. The number of 'seemingly' lower intelligent people
coming from highly intelligent parents.
So, 'Can you determine an 'intelligence level' based upon t
>I almost electrocuted myself yesterday. Bad mistake or genetic trait?
> You tell me.
I am going to guess it was an accident. Without a complete rundown on the
situation around it, there would be no other way to know what the major
contributor was to it.
William
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Have you
>Moreover when you use "culture-free" IQ tests, again there are no racial
>differences found.
Who determines that the test is culture-free? I had no idea that the SAT
was culture based until someone had to demonstrate the concept to me. With
that kind of 'unknowing', it would be easy for the crea
Hello Larry??
Why are you comparing 4th and 8th grade scores?
Even if 8th grade math scores aren't as high as some other countries
we're still higher then James' country.
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Scroll to PDF page 72:
HOW IS AMERICA DOING NOW IN SCIENC
You must think that's an easy way out. Sounds like something they'd
teach in Klan school.
Only a true racist would ask for proof that he's not the superior race.
On 10/27/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sam wrote:
> > Woa, there's nothing sadder than a racist flaunting his stupidity.
> Dana wrote:
> about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
> really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
>
What I'm saying makes much more sense:
(1.) "intelligence" is 100% determined by genetics.
(2.) We can create taxonomies to describe ge
> -Original Message-
> From: Vivec [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 8:30 AM
> To: CF-Community
> Subject: Re: Just Beat "Portal"
>
> Just finished HL2 Episode two.
> Haven't started Portal yet.
>
> Man..that was SHORT! HL2:EP2. It really feels like a short episod
> Gel wrote:
> How do we know he's wrong that White people are not smarter than black
> people, is what you are asking.
>
Yup. Or vice versa.
If there are whole groups of people that share common traits like hair
color or skin color why couldn't they share other traits like
intelligence? Becaus
> > Wow, you must think we're all morons.
> > http://www.businessweek.
> com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.
> > htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
> > The Science Education Myth
> > Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more
> > capable science and engine
>Different types of intelligence need to be measured in different ways.
>Instead of having a Non-African create the 'intelligence' test for Africans,
>they should have the African scientists create those tests.
Why? Well controlled studies have shown that there are wider differences within
so-cal
> Wow, you must think we're all morons.
> http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz/content/oct2007/sb20071025_827398.
> htm?chan=top+news_top+news+index_top+story
> The Science Education Myth
> Forget the conventional wisdom. U.S. schools are turning out more
> capable science and engineering grads tha
> > > really? What if I asked you about the ingredients for a tamale?
> > >
> >
> > Being that both sides of my family hail from Mosquero, NM I think I'd
> > probably pass :)
>
> How convenient. Especially when you've gone on at great length about
> your backgound of urban poverty. But fine, suppos
How convenient. Especially when you've gone on at great length about
your backgound of urban poverty. But fine, suppose that's true -- What
about every else here whose family doesn't -- are they stupid? Are you
really saying there is no such thing as cultural bias in an IQ test?
On 10/27/07, Gru
Just finished HL2 Episode two.
Haven't started Portal yet.
Man..that was SHORT! HL2:EP2. It really feels like a short episode in
length, but it takes s long between episodes!
I think that the time to create these games is just too great and they
can't produce them like 'Episodes' at all :-\.
How do we know he's wrong that White people are not smarter than black
people, is what you are asking.
On 10/28/07, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> So how do we know he's wrong?
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i'll see if I can dig around for the link..
On 10/27/07, Todd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hey that's pretty cool. It was nice that he took the time to acknowledge
> you.
>
> Has here written and published book? Not l
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