indeed. nothing good comes from this sort of thing.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:25 PM, Larry wrote:
> You mean like how the US has interferred with local elections in Canada, and
> in Europe, simply because the left leaning socialist parties were ascendant,
> or were supporting universal health ca
Q: Senator Obama, what is your strategic plan for Iraq?
Obama: Run away! Run away some more!
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:50 PM, Gruss wrote:
>> Sgt Sorge wrote:
>> I don't see anywhere here where he offers a time line.
>>
>
>
> Obama does has a mission and he does have a plan and that plan has
>
> Sgt Sorge wrote:
> I don't see anywhere here where he offers a time line.
>
Obama submitted an opinion piece to the New York Times titled, "My
Plan for Iraq," where he detailed his goal of withdrawing U.S. troops
from Iraq in 16 months if he is elected.
Iraqi PM al-Maliki in response said, "US
Again the most recent interview I read by Obama is, and I quote:
Q: Can we talk about your Iraq policy for a moment? Particularly where
you talk about withdrawing one or two brigades every month soon after
you are elected as a process to get us down quickly. What will you do if
your military co
> Cam-man wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There are 2 general throttles on the economy:
>
> [plonk]
>
> Have you seen the X-Files movie yet?
>
Far as I know it isn't out yet, but I WILL go see it. I've got a few
queued up before that though.
I d
> RoMunn wrote:
> You can't expect Gruss to be honest on this one, he is part of the
> Obama campaign.
>
You can count on me to be honest, to the best of my knowledge, about
everything all of the time. Behold the wonder of Gruss.
As for the topic at hand, the question is the definition of "the
s
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There are 2 general throttles on the economy:
[plonk]
Have you seen the X-Files movie yet?
-Cameron
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most importa
> Cam wrote:
> The inability for any single president to effect the economy with
> policy *during his administration* is a fairly well established
> principle.
>
There are 2 general throttles on the economy:
1.) Monetary policy. The Fed controls this in coordination with the President.
2.) Fisc
You can't expect Gruss to be honest on this one, he is part of the
Obama campaign.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Bruce wrote:
> Wrong. Both McCain AND Obama both want to withdraw troops as soon as the
> security situation permits. Unless they are both lying in recent
> interviews I just read,
You seem to be stuck in some sort of partisan fight and you are
totally missing the point. Campaign finance laws make it very clear
that contributions made by non-citizens are *illegal*. The only
question is what constitutes a campaign contribution. Here is the
applicable FEC rule:
§ 441e. Contri
Wrong. Both McCain AND Obama both want to withdraw troops as soon as the
security situation permits. Unless they are both lying in recent
interviews I just read, including the most recent one by Obama to the
Military Times.
Bruce
Gruss Gott wrote:
> FURTHER. The difference between Obama and M
> tBone wrote:
> Ok, we did huge amounts of damage to AQ in Afghanistan. They did move
> on to Iraq,
No. We did damage to them in Afghanistan and then created a nice cozy
bed for them to both recruit and operate out of Iraq by removing the
natural selection environment that had been in place. A
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You were in the military right? Remember the "I go where I'm told to
> go, I show up when I'm told to show up, and I do the best job I can."
No. I was not.
The inability for any single president to effect the economy with
p
> Cam wrote:
> If you think the president of the USA has that much control
I didn't say "control" I said accountability. Leadership means
accountability for even those things you don't directly control.
As a leader you need to articulate principles and then act in
accordance with them via object
> and im like... "u - you're making me dumber by standing here with you"
dude I actually laughed out loud when I read that.
J.J.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Tony <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> thats all the connies have left is over the top bs.
> my favorite lately from people at work i
Where did you get that tidbit of information, most of the information I found
made no mention of that. What I found was typically like this one:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/military/july-dec08/afghanviolence_07-14.html
Still they were tasked to hold the base and withdrew after the attack. It
>did the sponsors of the event in canada state that they wanted to help
>john mccain get his message out? would they provide barack obama the
>same opportunity if asked?
The leader of the group said he was a McCain supporter.
>
>as for krauthammer, the guy won a pulitzer. I will take comparisons
You mean like how the US has interferred with local elections in Canada, and in
Europe, simply because the left leaning socialist parties were ascendant, or
were supporting universal health care. How about the American support of death
squads throughout central and south america. Yes those peopl
to me, its like this...
when i listen to a song, i dont necesarily listen to the lyrics
as i can basically tell whether i like it or not based on the whole experience
as with movies same thing...
i can generally tell that i like barack, its a gut thing... and i think thats
what they are saying to
As G said, the best choice for them may not be the best choice for us.
They are evaluating the choices based on their interests, not ours.
Monetary policy, tax policy, trade policy, energy policy - there are a
whole host of issues where our self-interest is different than that of
citizens of other
we arent letting them decide man... but isnt it cool to see them
happy about our choice? kinda like getting some cheers from the peanut
gallery...
even tho they REALLY dont matter, its kinda like a litmus test that if it goes
well you can say, ok... that really may be the best choice...
-- tony
i agree, but how can we lead if we let them decide who should run our country?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Tony wrote:
> isnt it kinda proven that other countries could learn
> a lot by following our lead? why not be the flagship for them?
> rather than the bully? really?
>
~~~
isnt it kinda proven that other countries could learn
a lot by following our lead? why not be the flagship for them?
rather than the bully? really?
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Robert Munn <[
> Try XMail:
>
> http://www.xmailserver.org/
>
> It is free and open source and runs on Windows, Linux, etc.
>
> It is by far the easiest mail server to configure and set up.
>
> There are tools on the XMail homepage to help do the initial
> configuration, and there is a tool called XMailAdmin
whatever. we'll care as soon as everyone else cares what americans
think about who should be running their countries.
On 7/21/08, Larry Lyons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may want to start caring, given how much the US now is dependent on the
> rest of the world. I'd give the US a week if ther
did the sponsors of the event in canada state that they wanted to help
john mccain get his message out? would they provide barack obama the
same opportunity if asked?
as for krauthammer, the guy won a pulitzer. I will take comparisons
with someone of his caliber as a compliment any day of the week
well, not to jump on my alter ego G-Money, but i care.
i care what other countries perceive of my country.
i care if they like us or dont.
i want whirled peas.
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Larr
You may want to start caring, given how much the US now is dependent on the
rest of the world. I'd give the US a week if there was a comprehensive energy
embargo for instance.
>From what you're writing about, its rather obvious how clueless you are about
>the rest of the world and its attitudes
>then you have obviously mind-melded with Charles Krauthammer.
>
>dude ;)
Given some of Krauthammer's writings, I'm not sure which one is the loser
there. He's a regular columnist in the Washington Post for both the editorial
and sports sections. 90% of the time his column is a waste of white sp
>It is? Really?
>
>Obama is visiting Iraq, where he's meeting with all sorts of
>leaders..does that mean they are tacitly supporting him too?
>
>What if McCain were to head to Canada and give a speech about the
>US/Canadian relationshipwould that be construed as Canadian support for
>a McCa
ask yourselves this question: how would you feel if the king of saudi
arabia, for instance, sponsored a ten city world speaking tour for
john mccain's campaign? what distinguishes that from this engagement?
the number of cities? would you be ok with both plans? I for one would
not be ok with eithe
Well, as I've said in the past, I don't really give a shit about what the
rest of the world thinks of us. We have to do what is right for US. It just
so happens that at this time, those two seem to be the same thingelect
Obama.
Remember, the rest of the world only cares about what they think i
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/21/mccain.obama/index.html
the rest of the world that has grown to dislike america may actually see
that we are fed up with the current administration and the likes (mccain)
such that we are prepared to make sooo much change that we would
have our first african-
> How say you?
You know what i love?
When the hype about an actor actually matches the performance.
Forrest Whitaker in Last King of Scotland, every bit worth the hype,
there are scenes in that movie where the intensity rivals that of
great live theatre, where you can feel the energy flowing off
> gMoney wrote:
> This seems to be over-the-top ridiculous...
>
It's spaghetti logic thrown at the wall to see what sticks. Political
heat to obfuscate rather than enlighten.
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most im
I'm not sure of anything when it comes to campaign finance laws.
I am pretty sure of how I feel about one specific issue though: If it is
against the law for a foreign city to host a presumptive US presidential
candidate, solely to give him an arena in which to speak, then the law is
ridiculous.
Ok, we did huge amounts of damage to AQ in Afghanistan. They did move
on to Iraq, and we hurt them there too, however; they did more damage to
themselves by getting involved in the sectarian violence and going after
other Muslims.
I agree that we need to get involved in Pakistan, however the i
Are you so sure? Meeting with people in private is not the same as
giving a speech in public. After all, police, firefighters/paramedics,
cleanup crews - all sorts of public services will be used for this
event. Presumably those public services will be paid for by German
taxpayer dollars. City cost
thats all the connies have left is over the top bs.
my favorite lately from people at work is...
"are you really going to vote for someone with that
middle name"
and im like... "u - you're making me dumber by standing here with you"
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one wo
Did you read what I wrote? It was a patrol base, an OP, a temporary
location, it wasn't abandoned, they left when they were supposed to.
Still sounds like reverse spin to me. The Herd (173rd Airborne) did an
excellent job that day, as they have throughout the duration of their
deployment.
La
It is? Really?
Obama is visiting Iraq, where he's meeting with all sorts of
leaders..does that mean they are tacitly supporting him too?
What if McCain were to head to Canada and give a speech about the
US/Canadian relationshipwould that be construed as Canadian support for
a McCain presi
Try XMail:
http://www.xmailserver.org/
It is free and open source and runs on Windows, Linux, etc.
It is by far the easiest mail server to configure and set up.
There are tools on the XMail homepage to help do the initial
configuration, and there is a tool called XMailAdmin to administer it.
+1000
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 1:26 PM, G Money <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Who CARES where he gives his speech.concentrate on what he's saying, not
> where he's saying it.
>
> On Mon, Jul
> gg wrote:
> You're confusing the fog of battle with
I meant:
You're confusing the fog of a battle with the reasons for, and
management of, going to war.
And if you look at Iraq, we're not at war. This is so, because we're
simply there right now to provide security for the Iraqi population.
Th
>google.com/hosted ?
>
I'm looking for something to run on my local machine. Win xp sp2 if that makes
a difference.
The guy I am taking on this project from was running linux and didn't know what
to suggest for a windows machine.
~~~
+100. Great movie.
Matthew Smith wrote:
> MUCH darker than the first one. Definitely not for kids. It's really good,
> though. I was emotionally exhausted by the end of it.
>
>
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the mo
Have you even been in the military?If you had then you know you can't
treat this like a software project or construction project. There is a
saying in the military, every battle plan is good until the first shots
are fired. Combat is not something you can apply this shit to. It is
dynamic, ever
then you have obviously mind-melded with Charles Krauthammer.
dude ;)
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Where would you actually go to get talking points, anyway? I have no
> idea. You see, I make my own.
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Robert wrot
Where would you actually go to get talking points, anyway? I have no
idea. You see, I make my own.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Robert wrote:
> i'm not mouthing the talking points, i'm writing them! ;-)
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Dana wrote:
>> oh yeah I meant to congratulate you
i'm not mouthing the talking points, i'm writing them! ;-)
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:30 AM, Dana wrote:
> oh yeah I meant to congratulate you! you were mouthing the talking points a
> full 24hours before Charles Krauthammer. You make me so proud
~
The FEC might care if they interpret the actions of the Mayor of
Berlin as intended to help get Obama elected. That constitutes a
campaign contribution by a non-US citizen, and that is illegal, my
friends.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:26 AM, G Money wrote:
> Who CARES where he gives his speech.c
oh yeah I meant to congratulate you! you were mouthing the talking points a
full 24hours before Charles Krauthammer. You make me so proud
;)
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:11 AM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So why is he speaking in Germany? He ought to be speaking in the US if
> he
Apparently the Germans love Obama.
Who has pledged support, or even indicated support for McCain
internationally again?
Why exactly is this a campaign race?
2008/7/21 Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So why is he speaking in Germany? He ought to be speaking in the US if
> he wants to
~~
Who CARES where he gives his speech.concentrate on what he's saying, not
where he's saying it.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So why is he speaking in Germany? He ought to be speaking in the US if
> he wants to
>
> From the article:
>
> ===
> But th
So why is he speaking in Germany? He ought to be speaking in the US if
he wants to
>From the article:
===
But the decision to approve the Brandenburg Gate speech lies with
local Berlin authorities, and yesterday the city's leftwing mayor
Klaus Wowereit dropped all diplomatic pretence.
"The mayor
Be forwarned that Google requires secure protocals that can be
slightly more difficult to get working with all products.
-Cameron
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> google.com/hosted ?
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTE
I did say mostly successful.
And yes you did mention most of what happened, but you also neglected to
mention a very critical point, the base was abandoned the day after the attack.
Given that the Taliban's objective was to deny the base to government and US
forces, it would seem that they suc
.as long as we're not talking president of the galaxy
zB
I've been mad for fucking years, absolutely years. I've been over the edge
for yonks.
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Erika L. Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Remember to vote Todd for President ...
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008
google.com/hosted ?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 12:36 PM, Matthew Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I need a local pop3 server for some code I am testing. What would you guys
> recommend? I'd like something that I can stick emails into relatively easy,
> and then access through my code. I've neve
I need a local pop3 server for some code I am testing. What would you guys
recommend? I'd like something that I can stick emails into relatively easy,
and then access through my code. I've never had to set up an email server
before so I'm not sure what to use.
Thanks.
~
MUCH darker than the first one. Definitely not for kids. It's really good,
though. I was emotionally exhausted by the end of it.
~|
Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is the most important and dramatic release to
date
Get the F
Oh blah. A decent answer.
yeah yeah yeah, here's some muffins too. Welcome to the list.
Remember to vote Todd for President ...
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Luke Kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He is speaking in Germany to show he can change and inspire this country
> and the worl
> tBone wrote:
> changed, the surge worked,
I'll tell you what I'm looking for (and what any american should be
able to rattle off in 45 seconds)
(1.) A US troop deployment in Iraq is in the US's strategic interest
because [why it is]
(2.) Therefore the US troop mission is to [mission goes here]
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> so far 100% (remember the "but subprime mortgages are just 2% of all
> loans argument?"
You should re-read all your points. They are not currently 100% true.
>> But you know this - so I will not belabor that point and all
Now let me understand this.
1 squad of Americans, 1 platoon of Afghanis in a temporary patrol base,
they get attacked by 200+ talibs suffering 9 dead and 15 wounded, hold
the OP, win the day, and we want to turn it in to a defeat.
Yeah, ok.
RIP Sky Soldiers, Airborne All The Way!!!
Larry Lyon
> Cam wrote:
> Will be interesting to see how many of those doomsday prophecies come
> true.
so far 100% (remember the "but subprime mortgages are just 2% of all
loans argument?"
> But you know this - so I will not belabor that point and allow you to
> continue.
>
Of he is. He's 100% responsi
I've not answered this question because it's been answered 20 freaking
times.
You want quantifiable metrics and management bullshit that doesn't
pertain to combat operations, especially when you're conducting counter
insurgency operations.
We can go back through the history of the Iraq conflic
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:33 AM, Gruss Gott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here's what's coming from the worst financial crisis since the Great
> Depression:
Will be interesting to see how many of those doomsday prophecies come
true. I would say the title is a little misleading since, if they
wer
Here's what's coming from the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression:
--Losses of at least $1 trillion and more likely $2 trillion
--Fannie and Freddie "are insolvent and the Treasury bailout plan ...
is socialism for the rich, the well conne
> cHat wrote:
> court's decision: that the defendant has the right to challenge his
> status.
>
(1.) Does the gov't have to inform the public of a detainee's status?
(i.e, Joe Blow has been taken into custody on date X and will be held
indefinitely. Should you wish to challenge on the detainee's
> Yeah but they are not as prevalent as they are in Iraq.
>
> Larry Lyons wrote:
> > You haven't been paying attention to what's been happening there
> lately, most of the casualties lately have been from suicide bombings
> and IED's.
Until recently the taliban and the drug lords have discovere
zackly!
+10 from me.
and here's a plate of space cake muffins for ya luke, welcome to the monkey bin!
-- tony
Better than a thousand hollow words, is one word that brings peace.
-- siddhartha gautama
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 11:01 AM, Luke Kilpatrick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> He is speaking i
He is speaking in Germany to show he can change and inspire this country and
the world as much as Kennedy did.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/2270372/Barack-Obama-to-be-granted-JFK-moment-with-Brandenburg-Gate-speech.html
~
> RoMunn wrote:
> Sensing a pattern?
>
Yes.
(1.) You, who are not Obama, are telling us what Obama - currently a
candidate - would do as President.
(2.) You, an Iraq troop deployment supporter are perpetually unable to
provide even the mission of US troops deployed in Iraq despite their
having b
Beerfest.
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can someone please answer this question? He isn't running for
> President of Germany. He isn't running for a post in the EU. Why is he
> giving a speech there? Who is he hoping to impress, the German public?
> Why
It's part of his evil plan to take over the world ...
On Sun, Jul 20, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Robert Munn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Can someone please answer this question? He isn't running for
> President of Germany. He isn't running for a post in the EU. Why is he
> giving a speech there? Who is h
what I love is how all of the opinion articles I've found on the issue
(Google News is my friend) fail to include the second half of the
court's decision: that the defendant has the right to challenge his
status.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gZEpzY9h9nC5_bSUnGp_wuaB7b3AD91UEBUG0
Not a compl
0_0
It's true.
"The Bush administration has been a waging a fierce battle for the
power to lock people up indefinitely simply on the president's say-so.
It scored a disturbing victory last week when a federal appeals court
ruled that it could continue to detain Ali al-Marri, who has been held
for
78 matches
Mail list logo
