is this true - Obama hinting at negotiating with the Taliban?

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
I will give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he is talking about negotiating with individual tribal communities rather than elements of the Taliban leadership. If he negotiates with the Taliban, his presidency will be over in my eyes. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hJgw

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Maureen
Yeah, cause foster parents are paid so much less than natural parents, and never do drugs. And have some swampland in Arizona for sale. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Dana wrote: > > oh that's ok, they can always go into foster care. Remember, it will save > money. > > ~~

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
Everyone agrees that health care is a gigantic mess, but it is dishonest and opportunistic of Obama to link health care reform with bankruptcy and people's general fear for their finances at this juncture. For a guy who was supposed to be champion of a new style of politics in Washington, his tact

Re: User info stolen from music site

2009-03-07 Thread Andrew Grosset
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Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron Childress
Nothing I have said indicates that, but then, you are just making shit up at this point. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dana wrote: > wow. You really are obsessed with the idea that somebody out there might be > getting a buzz on, aren't you > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Cameron Chil

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
oh that's ok, they can always go into foster care. Remember, it will save money. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:45 PM, Maureen wrote: > > Before they pass a law mandating drug testing, they should beef up > their treatment programs to handle those who will need it. Currently, > there is an average

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Maureen
Before they pass a law mandating drug testing, they should beef up their treatment programs to handle those who will need it. Currently, there is an average wait of 94 days to even be considered for drug treatment. 90 days with no benefits while waiting for admission to a program is a long time

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
you are assuming that this will save money. I submit that it probably won't if the accounting is honest. I suppose this is an unresolvable point at least for now, though at least you are thinking about it. But it might be interesting to go look at welfare reform as implemented under Clinton and s

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Maureen
Just what do you find an acceptable use for YOUR tax dollars? On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > If they are using my tax dollars to pay for that buzz, then yes I am. ~| Adobe® ColdFusion® 8 software 8 is th

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
;) I was talking to Cam. But since the shoe fits, let me try it out on you: I suspect that it's nowhere near that simple. laters. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > If they are using my tax dollars to pay for that buzz, then yes I am. > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, D

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
If they are using my tax dollars to pay for that buzz, then yes I am. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Dana wrote: > > wow. You really are obsessed with the idea that somebody out there might be > getting a buzz on, aren't you > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Cameron Childress >wrote: >

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
wow. You really are obsessed with the idea that somebody out there might be getting a buzz on, aren't you On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:07 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Yes, it sounds like it might even free up some money for those who > really need it and may use it to better themselves inste

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
Cognitive dissonance is such a sad thing. I am putting words in *your* mouth huh. OK :) On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > Whatever. You are upset because I won't let you put words in my > mouth. Take your ball and go home, that's fine. > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:31

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
And if we can recoup 10% of the money going towards public assistance, that could help pay for even more books. From what the local papers are reporting, the delegate who proposed the bill has gotten quite a bit of positive feedback from the public. I admit its not prefect. But, I am OK with the

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
it might seem that way, but if the state of West Virginia can spend 3.70*(number of welfare recipients) to test everyone on welfare for drugs, then it ought to have textbooks in its schools, is pretty much my thought. I mean! I don't know how apparent this is from Harper's Ferry, but West Virg

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron Childress
Whatever. You are upset because I won't let you put words in my mouth. Take your ball and go home, that's fine. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:31 PM, Dana wrote: > oh, my bad. Here I thought we were going to actually have a discussion, not > a toddler tantrum. Carry on -- as you were. ~

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron Childress
Yes, it sounds like it might even free up some money for those who really need it and may use it to better themselves instead of giving it to those who are just going to blow it or have no interest in improving their own situation. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 9:13 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > The bill in

Re: User info stolen from music site

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
sigh On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:37 PM, Erika L. Walker wrote: > > yesh ... > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Vivec wrote: > > > > > *skips around the list* > > > > RRAAIIINBOW TABLES!!! > > > > > > > ~| Adobe® ColdFusion®

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Dana
oh, my bad. Here I thought we were going to actually have a discussion, not a toddler tantrum. Carry on -- as you were. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Cameron Childress wrote: > > No, that is what you are saying. > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Dana wrote: > > ok.. So "mommy and daddy" = t

Re: Guess Who??!! You'll NEVER Guess ...

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
Wouldn't that be a quadrillion? On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:12 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > gg wrote: > > agreed to guarantee them against > > losses from credit default swaps > > And you see all, this is Robert does you such a disservice by > repeating the misinformation about sub-prime. > > There

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
The bill in question was submitted ot the WV state legislature for consideration. IN some articels over the last few days, one of the drg testing programs they are looking at costs $3.70 per test. That seems like a bargain for me. It also allows peopel to get cleaned up. If you fail a drug tes

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
I guess that is not part of the 'change we can believe in'? On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 6:46 PM, Mary Jo Sminkey wrote: > > He's hardly the first politician (or president) to give misinformation or > get his facts a bit skewed. > > -- Scott Stroz --- The democracy will cease to exist w

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
So, in other words, now that there is something to blame Obama for (based on your previous comments) its not really his fault? Somehow I knew that was gonna happen. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:39 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > No way..sorry dude. In the prvious thread you specifical

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Maureen
More likely he scared the hell out of the crooks on Wall Street, in banking, insurance and government by letting them know he would no longer tolerance their fraud and avarice. I've heard no anti-capitalist rhetoric and claiming he has a socialist agenda nothing more than propaganda from those wh

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron Childress
Using your assumption or 10%) I would say that 10% of all the money currently distributed would be more than enough to conduct drug testing. Probably actually would take way less than 10% of the total welfare budget though - resulting in a potentially significant tax savings. On Fri, Mar 6,

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Cameron Childress
No, that is what you are saying. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Dana wrote: > ok.. So "mommy and daddy" = the welfare system and "irresponsible teens" = > the population. Is this not what you are saying/ ~| Adobe® ColdFusion®

Re: Obama in over his head

2009-03-07 Thread Sam
Super-human? He blew-off Brown to meet with the Boyscouts. If he was actually doing something rather than having parties and telling people to panic the problem would solve itself. As this admin keeps saying, "Never waste a crisis." On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Judah McAuley wrote: > > Soun

Re: Obama in over his head

2009-03-07 Thread Judah McAuley
Sounds reasonable to me. The effort to unravel the economic mess we are in is certainly super-human and I'm ok with Obama being strained and sleepless and overly focused on domestic affairs at the moment. In fact, I'd be quite worried if it were otherwise. I may not think much of the previous occu

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-07 Thread Mary Jo Sminkey
>Does it matter a great >deal if it is 1 every 30 seconds, 45 seconds, 60 seconds? It is still >a horrible thing that needs to be fixed. AbsolutelyI could care less if he was off, this is still a major issue that needs to be addressed. He's hardly the first politician (or president) to give

Obama in over his head

2009-03-07 Thread Sam
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4953523/Barack-Obama-too-tired-to-give-proper-welcome-to-Gordon-Brown.html http://tinyurl.com/adh8jv Barack Obama's offhand approach to Gordon Brown's Washington visit last week came about because the president was facing exh

Re: Guess Who??!! You'll NEVER Guess ...

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> gg wrote: > agreed to guarantee them against > losses from credit default swaps And you see all, this is Robert does you such a disservice by repeating the misinformation about sub-prime. There is $1000 Trillion in nominal value of derivatives out there. That is NOT a typo. I mean it's not e

Guess Who??!! You'll NEVER Guess ...

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
The federal bailout of insurance giant American International Group Inc. has benefited at least two dozen U.S. and foreign financial institutions who collected some $50 billion, according to media reports Saturday. AIG - once the world's largest insurer - is paying money to its counterparties bec

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > If I had no other debt I'd agree... but at this point I'd rather see this > money paying off increasingly high-interest credit cards than sitting there. > Once that debt's paid off I'll up the contribution again Which is EXACTLY why tax cuts won't fix this problem. When you give o

RE: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: William Bowen [mailto:william.bo...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 3:12 PM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds) > > > > Well... my company matches 4% as long as you contribute 3% so I've > left it > > a

Re: Jim Cramer responds to White House attack

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I think we all get that you have become a believer in socialism. I think I might be coming to terms with things. See as much as The Scout and I could sit in a honky tonk beer bar and agree 100% on how we'd LIKE things to be - just before a bar clearing brawl - the fact is ... t

A Trompeur, Trompeur et Demi!

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
SAN DIEGO — Stephen and Linda Drake cast aside concerns about owning property in Mexico because they believed in Donald Trump. The Southern California couple paid $250,000 down payment on a 19th-floor oceanfront condo in Trump Ocean Resort Baja in 2006 before the first construction crew arrived.

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread William Bowen
> you see i just dont have that blind trust that "its going to go back up" You've subscribed to the Fox News view then? It doesn't cost me anything to continue buying on the way down. The money I am investing bi-weekly in my 401(k) would translate to about 50% of its current value if I went ahe

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Judah McAuley
I do believe in the fundamentals of the stimulus. However, and this is a big fucking however, it only works long term if we reign in government spending and pay down some debt after the economy starts to rebound. Borrow now, invest, get the engines going, then gradually pull back, putting surpluse

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Rastafari
you see i just dont have that blind trust that "its going to go back up" tw On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:05 PM, William Bowen wrote: > >> Well just remember: depending on what you own, you still own the same >> percentage and you haven't lost a penny until you sell. > > +1. > > My dollar/paycheck c

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread William Bowen
> Well... my company matches 4% as long as you contribute 3% so I've left it > at 3% (was doing 12% - and felt so damn responsible about it). mine grants 2% so that no one is without a 401(k) in the company. Pretty decent of them. they'll match an additional 5% so I have 7% of my check going to

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > So far he has scared the hell out of investors and sent the markets > plummeting with his anti-capitalist rhetoric and socialist agenda. > Nope. That's your Narrative Man super-powers talking. (Seriously, what is it you read that gets you this hooey?) "The markets" are scared

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread William Bowen
> Well just remember: depending on what you own, you still own the same > percentage and you haven't lost a penny until you sell. +1. My dollar/paycheck contribution and company match are staying the same. not futzing with my asset mix and I'm watching my money buy double what it did 6 months ag

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Rastafari
i think they were scared already and out came the lady from the goonies in the tractor trailer... WOAH she was scary. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Robert Munn wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Gruss  wrote: > >> >> 5.) Now we'll see if Obama can fix it.  So far he's doing better th

RE: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Jim Davis
> -Original Message- > From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:pih...@gmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 8:34 AM > To: cf-community > Subject: Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds) > > > i am not contributing at all. > no sense. buying ammo instead. Well... my company matches 4%

RE: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread LRS Scout
Guns are a pretty safe bet now, and always have been. Should the assault weapons ban go through they will go up like crazy again, like double, and if not they can still be dumped at near value if you need to. You should look into reloading equipment, will save you money on ammo and allow you to

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Rasta wrote: > > ive pers. lost 40% > > and tempted to yank it all out and stop making deposits. > Well just remember: depending on what you own, you still own the same percentage and you haven't lost a penny until you sell. If you don't need the cash you might as well hang on to your percenta

Re: Jim Cramer responds to White House attack

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
My wealthy route would have been to not give mortgages to people who were unable to repay them and then bundle them together and sell them as investment grade securities when they were just a bunch of crap underneath. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > RoMunn wrote: > > I think

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Gruss wrote: > > 5.) Now we'll see if Obama can fix it. So far he's doing better than > Bush if only because he acknowledges the problem and taking action to > fix it > So far he has scared the hell out of investors and sent the markets plummeting with his anti

Re: Obama's numbers on health care bankruptcies don't add up

2009-03-07 Thread Judah McAuley
If we are just going by who is associated with whom, the critics of the study are right wing neocons with no small bone to pick with anything that might seem "liberal". There is a reason that their Op-Ed was in the Washington Times. But I don't get your insurance industry criticism. That study wa

Re: I am kind of torn by this..

2009-03-07 Thread Judah McAuley
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 5:42 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > That's kind of like saying, if small percentage of the population commits > crime, should we really spend money to enforce the laws. In a very real way this all comes down to security. Security is about preventing abuse of systems whether it

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Scott wrote: > No way..sorry dude.  In the prvious thread you specifically used the word > 'blame', not 'responsibility', not 'accountability', 'blame' > Lemme tell ya how it is Scotty ... it's like this: 1.) Bush didn't create this problem. 2.) Bush volunteered for ownership of the solution.

Re: Graphics card fried this morning

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
sucks man. heat and dust are killers, make sure you have dust controlled under there... On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Vivec wrote: > Soone card fried, due to heat. So I pulled it from the system and > now just have one. It was a great SLI setup too...two 8800GTX cards. > served me well. >

Re: [cool!] Drums

2009-03-07 Thread Yves Arsenault
Neat Yves Arsenault "Love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend". --Martin Luther King, Jr. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > http://ronwinter.tv/drums.html > > ~| Adobe® Cold

Re: [cool!] Drums

2009-03-07 Thread Casey Dougall
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Rastafari wrote: > > man... i love it! > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 10:57 PM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > > http://ronwinter.tv/drums.html > > > that's cool. needs a little 4 or 8 bar loop repeat or something. ~~~

Graphics card fried this morning

2009-03-07 Thread Vivec
So... Set up a new home office...with al ovely desk. BUt one that was enclosed. So I put my CPU under the desk...and found that it was blowing a LOT of hot air...that was being trapped beneath the desk. Made an appointment for the moving guy to come back to sort it ou, but he didn't show up. Th

RE: any thing you want shot?

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stewart
Caught by a motion capture camera -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Rastafari [mailto:rastaf...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:15 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: any thing you

Re: tracking the openning of an email

2009-03-07 Thread Erika L. Walker
2000 is my first known recollection of it. Muffins were introduced in the fall of that year after Gel had a dry crumbly one for breakfast and got crumbs all over his desk. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Rastafari wrote: > > 7 years ive been here??? sheesh. thats a long damn ass time. > when d

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
Sorry, I was mistaken. You did not say he was to 'blame' you said it was his 'fault'. "Basically what Obama has decided to do nothing for the time being and thus let investment banks contango even if that means you have to pay higher prices even though the market doesn't demand it. So without a do

Re: The Dow is dead ...

2009-03-07 Thread Scott Stroz
No way..sorry dude. In the prvious thread you specifically used the word 'blame', not 'responsibility', not 'accountability', 'blame' On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > > > Scott wrote: > > Based on comments you have made in other threads, the blame for the drop > in > > the

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Paul Ihrig
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Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Rastafari
ive pers. lost 40% and tempted to yank it all out and stop making deposits. On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 3:05 AM, Gruss Gott wrote: > >> Jim wrote: >> But still - I've lost nearly 30% of my retirement savings in the past three >> months.  After working 15 years I've lost nearly a third in three month

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> Jim wrote: > But still - I've lost nearly 30% of my retirement savings in the past three > months.  After working 15 years I've lost nearly a third in three months > (numerologists can have some fun with that). > And people are asking why I've been pissed off lately. I've lost 50%. Luckily we

Twitter hacking via SMS

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
Sounds like it can't be done in the US but can still be done in locations without anti-spoofing measures on the SMS networks. US numbers could still potentially be targeted from other countries. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/06/twitter_sms_spoofing_risk/ ~

Re: Well... that was depressing (Retirement Funds)

2009-03-07 Thread Robert Munn
ouch On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Jim D wrote: > > But still - I've lost nearly 30% of my retirement savings in the past three > months. After working 15 years I've lost nearly a third in three months > (numerologists can have some fun with that). > > I know I'm hardly alone and am thankful

Re: Jim Cramer responds to White House attack

2009-03-07 Thread Gruss Gott
> RoMunn wrote: > I think we all get that you have become a believer in socialism. It all > sounds nice and fuzzy and warm in theory, but in practice it makes everyone > poorer, not wealthier. > Here's what happened to Iceland when they went with your "wealthy" route: Inside [Iceland's Central B