Re: That Birther Major

On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 4:45 PM, Gruss wrote: > > > It was a cut -n - paste. Plus, if I'm this prolific here, think of > > what I can do for work. And finally, you're in the pacific time zone > > and I travel for work and, as it turns out, the Earth has different > > time zones! > > > > So I gu

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Yeah, and I can give you a long list of people destroyed by wine, another drug with psychoactive effects. Let's ban them all. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:02 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > The entire part from cocaine in moderation down was a sarcastic bite > at pot being 'benign'. > > I have an

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

It's not the drug, it's the rapists who use it, that are dangerous. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:20 AM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > And I'm sure the thousands of women who were slipped one then raped say the > same thing the next day. > > That's by far the worst drug ever invented. ~~

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Water will kill you if you drink too much. Pot is less harmful to your health than boiled eggs. Coffee is more dangerous than most prescription drugs, and all of those things are substantially less dangerous than tobacco, which is legal. Spending 50 million dollars to possibly arrest 10 men, w

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Nothing makes me smile more than you non-nonsensical analogies. I have truly missed them. According to other people's logic, we should ban water too, because when misused, it can kill. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Larry Lyons wrote: > >>It can be a 'gateway drug' regardless of its the person

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Single cases always make an emotional argument to involved just as personal experience does, but that's a total aside. If you can find that reference, I'd appreciate it. Not that it means anything to me, but a reference is always good when a discussion like this comes up. And you KNOW it will agai

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

>It can be a 'gateway drug' regardless of its the person or the drug. >There are times where pot is merely the first step. > so is mother's milk or oral sex. In fact mother's milk according to your logic should be banned, 99.9% of all who use more serious drugs first started with mother

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

>The entire part from cocaine in moderation down was a sarcastic bite >at pot being 'benign'. > >I have an uncle who lives in a nursing home. He's basically a burnout. >To say that pot is benign is as wrong as saying a roofie is. Just >because people smoke some now and again does not change the fa

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

>give me a camera, a keg of beer, an ounce of weed, 12 weed heads and 12 drunks. >when we are done the intake, ill put those people in front of 100 >people to test annoyingness, belligerency, assholency and >overall well being. then an hour later, test those same people. the >drunks will still b

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

I'll give you all that for a modest 7%. :) On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Then you just need to add a dash of hypocrisy, a pinch of self guilt and > about 10% of your income. ~| Want to reach the ColdF

RE: Finally, a cure for Christianity

No, he's just a lapsed atheist http://mzonline.com/bin/view/Python/ChurchBellsSketch -Original Message- So you're one of those agnostic atheists. These guys are real atheists. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

Then you just need to add a dash of hypocrisy, a pinch of self guilt and about 10% of your income. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > > So you're one of those agnostic atheists. These guys are real > atheists. They have the robes, the hair dr

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

> > And in a world where everyone blames someone/something else for their > lot in life, some choose to blame pot even when the blame squarely > falls on their own shoulders. Ya, no kidding! Welcome to era of zero personal responsibility. Protect us from ourselves

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

So you're one of those agnostic atheists. These guys are real atheists. They have the robes, the hair dryers, the whole enchilada. (yes, that was all a joke). Once you start having ceremonies supporting a creed, your on your way to being a religion. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Zaphod Beeble

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

Ditto. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote: > > same here...although it'd be really hard to conceal my shotgun anyway. > > > On Jul 22, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> >> I am a gun owner, probably bordering on 'gun advocate', but I am OK >> with this. >> >> On Wed,

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

same here...although it'd be really hard to conceal my shotgun anyway. On Jul 22, 2009, at 1:47 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > I am a gun owner, probably bordering on 'gun advocate', but I am OK > with this. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Bill Wheatley > wrote: >> >> Senate rejects law on

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

I never said using pot makes someone want to try harder drugs, rather that in some cases pot is the first step. And in a world where everyone blames someone/something else for their lot in life, some choose to blame pot even when the blame squarely falls on their own shoulders. Kind of like blami

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

You forgot about the part where you woke up with your butthole being chaffed and sore. On Jul 22, 2009, at 11:30 AM, Ray Champagne wrote: > > I actually got roofie'd once. True story. > > I was in college, two dudes were leaving the bar, they left a full > beer on > the counter. Dumbly (a

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

I am a gun owner, probably bordering on 'gun advocate', but I am OK with this. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:33 PM, Bill Wheatley wrote: > > Senate rejects law on concealed > weapons > > :( > > close but no cigar maybe next time. >

RE: Why is no one bitching about this?

American macrobrews barely qualify as beer... there's more rice and corn in them than barley and hops -- Scott Stewart ColdFusion Developer 4405 Oakshyre Way Raleigh, NC 27616 (h) 919.874.6229 (c) 703.220.2835 -Original Message- From: Scott Stroz [mailto:boyz...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesd

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Fair enough, however it's completely irrelevant. Using pot doesn't make people want to try harder drugs. Correlation != Causation On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > It can be a 'gateway drug' regardless of its the person or the drug. > There are times where pot is merely th

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

I did not have a choice growing up, but have since drifted from the church. With our kids, we are raising them, as best as we can with a 'nay sayer' in the house, to be Catholic. When they are 18, they can then choose to continue or not. I don't really get the 'de-baptize' thing. If you don't be

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

Can't remember the last time I went door to door telling people that they shouldn't believe in godor even telling people that they shouldn't believe in god. as for rituals...hmmmevery morning I get up and don't pray...maybe that counts. and are you saying rejection of a creed is a

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Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

Man, when will people learn that the answer to gun violence in this country is, quite obviously, more and better hidden guns?!?! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Bill Wheatley wrote: > > Senate rejects law on concealed > weapons< > http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/07/22/concealed.weapons/index

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

The age at which you are normally confirmed is older now..I believe its 10th grade. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:37 PM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Casey Dougall < > ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > >> >> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM, G Money wrote: >> >> > >> >

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:29 PM, Casey Dougall < ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM, G Money wrote: > > > > > I find this amusing. > > > > Annoyed that your parents baptized you when you were too young to make up > > your own mind? No problem...just get "

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Sad, but true. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > >> >> (Australian beer is a lot more potent than American. Ours is light >> beer to them) > > > Eh-hem. Your beer is light to _every_ other country > > > ~|

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

It can be a 'gateway drug' regardless of its the person or the drug. There are times where pot is merely the first step. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > No I didn't miss it. If you re-read that sentence it doesn't really read > well if the point you are trying to make is

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

> > (Australian beer is a lot more potent than American. Ours is light > beer to them) Eh-hem. Your beer is light to _every_ other country ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on t

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:30 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > (Australian beer is a lot more potent than American. Ours is light > beer to them) > > LOL That makes me want to go down to Mendocino brewing company and get my growler filled this afternoon. Eye of The Haw

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

No I didn't miss it. If you re-read that sentence it doesn't really read well if the point you are trying to make is that weed isn't a gateway drug. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Obviously you missed the part where i said 'While not as prevalent as > some might try to

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Funny thing. I used to tell people that as a medic I would get called for fights involving drunk people just about every night. The only time I ever would get called for a stoner who was in a fight was if a drunk punched him. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:27 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > addicts will be

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

There are happy drunks and mean drunks. Are you saying that there are no mean pot heads? And when you say normal, you mean the buzz has worn off and they can (or should) drive or normal as in they're just cool dudes? And I'm sure you have an equivalent dosage worked out, right? Or is it just whate

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

because i cant drive from ohio to ny to see my folks with a loaded 9mm next to me or even in my car... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archi

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM, G Money wrote: > > I find this amusing. > > Annoyed that your parents baptized you when you were too young to make up > your own mind? No problem...just get "de-baptized"! > > http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_N.htm > Glad my

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Obviously you missed the part where i said 'While not as prevalent as some might try to make you believe'. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Michael Grant wrote: > > Marijuana isn't habit forming. Not from a physiological standpoint anyway. > And weed being a 'gateway' drug is a reflection on the

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

addicts will be addicts regardless with which they start. non-addicts will not be. no matter what... alcohol makes people jerks at some point in the night. no matter what... herb will never make that happen. no matter what... cocaine will make you want more when that 15 minutes is up. no matter w

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Marijuana isn't habit forming. Not from a physiological standpoint anyway. And weed being a 'gateway' drug is a reflection on the people using it, not on the drug itself. Don't believe the hype Scott. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > That does not make it any less habit

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > pot can also be the 'spring board' drug to harder core drugs. > Yeah, just like kids snorting their friends crushed up riddlin. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community w

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

That does not make it any less habit forming or illegal. While not as prevalent as some might try to make you believe, pot can also be the 'spring board' drug to harder core drugs. I doubt there are many crack heads who started with crack, I'd bet most started with pot or cocaine. On Wed, Jul 2

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Yeh. Good luck with that. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > ask him what else he was taking ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mail

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Have you actually had a cabbage roll? It would ruin anyones life. :) Maybe pot will not cause someone to drop dead but the psychological effect it has IS dangerous. I had a boss who sent me to park the car while he was getting some pot. He knew I couldn't drive! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:10 PM, M

RE: Why is no one bitching about this?

Ras.. Rohypnol (roofies) is a prescription sleeping pill/anti convulsive in Europe so there is some beneficial pharmacology... It's illegal in the US according to the FDA. http://en.wikipedia.org/rohypnol Like any prescription drug.. beneficial in the proper dosage, dangerous or fatal in the

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

give me a camera, a keg of beer, an ounce of weed, 12 weed heads and 12 drunks. when we are done the intake, ill put those people in front of 100 people to test annoyingness, belligerency, assholency and overall well being. then an hour later, test those same people. the drunks will still be dru

RE: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

Fiensten and Boxer? You bet! -Original Message- From: Paul Ihrig [mailto:pih...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 10:49 AM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons boo... was probably NY and CA... ~~~

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Michael Dinowitz < mdino...@houseoffusion.com> wrote: > I have an uncle who lives in a nursing home. He's basically a burnout. > ask him what else he was taking ~| Want to reach the ColdFu

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

There are exceptions to every rule. However I think you'd find that statistically _all_ drugs, including (read:especially) alcohol have much more devastating effects on people's lives and health than marijuana. I'm sure you could find a guy who's life was ruined because of his consumption of cabba

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

and thats a bad thing because? - Original Message - From: "Bill Wheatley" To: "cf-community" Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 2:33 PM Subject: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons > > Senate rejects law on concealed > weapons

Re: Finally, a cure for Christianity

The people getting their foreskin sewn back on are in for a harder time though. As for them being a religion, lets see. Belief in a specific creed. check. ritual supporting that creed. check. attempts to proselytize that creed. check. Looks religious to me. They could even be one of those blasphe

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

The entire part from cocaine in moderation down was a sarcastic bite at pot being 'benign'. I have an uncle who lives in a nursing home. He's basically a burnout. To say that pot is benign is as wrong as saying a roofie is. Just because people smoke some now and again does not change the fact tha

Re: Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

boo... was probably NY and CA... ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Archive: http://www.houseoffusion.com/groups/cf-community/message.cfm/mess

Senate rejects law on concealed waepons

Senate rejects law on concealed weapons :( close but no cigar maybe next time. -- William Wheatley ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I do not recall every saying anything about the 'risk'. And it still > does not refute anything Michael or I have said. I was just pointing out that roofies are a pretty high risk thing to play around as a recreational drug. I don't want to d

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

I do not recall every saying anything about the 'risk'. And it still does not refute anything Michael or I have said. Just about anything, including roofies, can be benign in low enough doses and just about anything, including water, can be harmful in high enough doses. Regardless of how emotion

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

One definition of 'drug' is: A substance used to treat an illness, relieve a symptom, or modify a chemical process in the body for a specific purpose; Water most definitely fits into that definition. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:08 PM, Casey Dougall wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Scott

Re: That Birther Major

thank you, I'll be here all week. CDs in the lobby. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:01 AM, William Bowen wrote: > > > (thereby proving that I have been working too hard on windows > > scripting (for people who do not appreciate its awesomeness (no -- > > sorry -- they just think I should do the deadl

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > What you are referring to is when these drugs are used in high doses > and typically over a long period of time. > > No one ever said they were benign, merely that in the right doses, > they can be - there is a big difference there. To be fair

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > Most people would consider water to be benign, but, if taken in high > enough doses, it can kill you. I have seen that. > > So maybe we should outlaw water too? > Water is not a drug. Although it was coined an elixir back in the day w

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

What you are referring to is when these drugs are used in high doses and typically over a long period of time. No one ever said they were benign, merely that in the right doses, they can be - there is a big difference there. Most people would consider water to be benign, but, if taken in high en

Re: That Birther Major

> (thereby proving that I have been working too hard on windows > scripting (for people who do not appreciate its awesomeness (no -- > sorry -- they just think I should do the deadline stuff first...)) and > therefore need to go spend some time on Judith's data bottleneck > article. (Not to mentio

RE: Finally, a cure for Christianity

I just want to know when Atheism became an organized religion. -Original Message- I find this amusing. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing li

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

never, nowhere, no how, can roofies be considered benign, im sorry. ive seen the outcome, and it was horrendous. cocaine, ive seen the outcome and it was horrendous. heroine, same thing. crack, same thing. alcohol, nearly the same. pot. never. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Scott Stroz wr

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

1. Then you would be committing a crime. 2. Again, it would not be in moderation. 3. I do not have a daughter. I never advocated the production/possession/use of roofies. Michael was merely pointing out that just about anything, including roofies, can be benign 'in moderation'. And, he is right

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:34 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > ill give your daughter one, take her out to the bar, and let me know > how that goes > for ya johnny moderation... > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > > > Those doses would not be what I would call 'in moderatio

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

ill give your daughter one, take her out to the bar, and let me know how that goes for ya johnny moderation... On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > Those doses would not be what I would call 'in moderation'. > > The point being just about anything can be benign if taken in >

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

Those doses would not be what I would call 'in moderation'. The point being just about anything can be benign if taken in moderation, and just abotu anything can be harmful if not taken in moderation. As I pointed out, water can be dangerous if enough is injested. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:20

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

I actually got roofie'd once. True story. I was in college, two dudes were leaving the bar, they left a full beer on the counter. Dumbly (and broke), I asked if they were gonna just leave that there. One looked at the other and said "take it". I had no other money after drinking a second and

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

WHo the hell takes a roofie in moderation?!?!?! On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > If taken in moderation, yes. > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > > > roofies are benign? > > > > are you kidding me? > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Scott Stroz wrote: > > roofies are benign? > If taken in moderation, yes. > And I'm sure the thousands of women who were slipped one then raped say the same thing the next day. That's by far the worst drug ever invented.

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

If taken in moderation, yes. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > roofies are benign? > > are you kidding me? > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael > Dinowitz wrote: >> >> As I've never smoked it, I'll have to rely on the experience of >> others. But then again, I've ne

Finally, a cure for Christianity

I find this amusing. Annoyed that your parents baptized you when you were too young to make up your own mind? No problem...just get "de-baptized"! http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2009-07-21-atheists-debaptism_N.htm I like the part where they get dried off with the "hairdryer of reason".

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

roofies are benign? are you kidding me? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > As I've never smoked it, I'll have to rely on the experience of > others. But then again, I've never taken a dangerous dosage of Tylenol > either. > Cocaine isn't dangerous as long as it's in mo

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

As I've never smoked it, I'll have to rely on the experience of others. But then again, I've never taken a dangerous dosage of Tylenol either. Cocaine isn't dangerous as long as it's in moderation. Same with speed. Roofies are totally benign. I guess that if you go down the list, most illegal drug

Breaking down the myths of America's Serial Wars

Very interesting read. I haven't fact checked everything, it's a very long article but spans wars from the invasion of Grenada right onto Iraq etc. Have read these in one form or another before, but never all together like this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/americas-wars-how-seria

Re: Why is no one bitching about this?

> > Yes, there's abuse but is it at the same level as crack? At the same > level as weed? At the same level as whippets? I think you should take weed out of your comparison. It's benign. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion communi

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Actually, there are laws preventing you from yelling to high heaven on your door step. And someone with tourettes is using uncontrolled outbursts, not controlled ones. And would not follow to continue. But I think you're missing that one little thing. They left. He followed. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

I can't say. It sounds like the cops showed up after a report of an attempted break-in, investigated said break-in and were leaving when Gates came outside and starting yelling at them. We don't know what was said by either party inside the house, so, until we do, we can't judge one way or anothe

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Maybe. Maybe not. One person may be "thank you for checking officer". Another might be indignant. Still, there is appropriate and non-appropriate actions and he's supposed to be a role model. But again, we only know what the media is telling us. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Vivec wrote: > > D

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

So, you think its OK to break the law as ling as you do so in your own house? Maybe he does have tourettes, but its just as likely he was being a pompous dickhead. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > if i wanna yell on my doorstep to the high heavens, holy fucking shit, leave

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Hm. The article seems to imply that more than one thing was said. OK, lets try this out. A cop comes to check on the house. I show him that its my house and call him an anti-semite for checking and ask if he knows who I am. He leaves. I follow him, still berating him. He arrests me after this. Am

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

if i wanna yell on my doorstep to the high heavens, holy fucking shit, leave me alone and let me yell, its my house. i own the motherfucker, not to mention it was in broad daylight, not at night... what if he has tourettes and thats part of what happens?? jesus christ, this case is a joke, cut a

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Do you think he had reason to be upset? 2009/7/22 Scott Stroz : > > They did not arrest him in his house, they arrested him after he came > outside after them and starting yelling. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

They can if you are yelling it loudly in public - that is called being disorderly. They did not arrest him in his house, they arrested him after he came outside after them and starting yelling. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Vivec wrote: > > lol > > So a cop can arrest you if you yell at him t

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

lol So a cop can arrest you if you yell at him that he's an Anti Semite? What part of the US do you live in that has these laws? I agree with Tony, it was the man's house. 2009/7/22 Michael Dinowitz : > > Did you read the article or just Gel's summary? Lets see if I get this > straight > 1. in

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

That is a good point Michael. He was not arrested for trying to get into his own house, he was arrested for being disorderly after he followed the cops outside. So, it seems to me like its possible the cops were leaving and Gates just could not let that happen. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Mi

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Did you read the article or just Gel's summary? Lets see if I get this straight 1. investigation of possible break in. 2. door not opened (trouble after being jammed) 3. yelling at cops after identification being checked 4. exited the house, still yelling 5. arrest If it was just a case of showin

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:56 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > The tone of the article suggests, to me, that the cops have already > been proven guilty. Do racist cops exist? Certainly. Do some people walk around with a chip on their shoulder about their race? Definitely. Which is it in this case? We

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

its his house! hello. check his damn drivers license and move on... how hard can that be? On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > Until there is an investigation, we have a case of "he said, she said" > (or he said, they said). > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ras Tafar

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Until there is an investigation, we have a case of "he said, she said" (or he said, they said). On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Ras Tafari wrote: > > they are FUCKING WRONG, it was the mans fucking house. > jesus christ.  how much more cut and dry can a case be??? > > i WISH they'd try to do thi

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

If you were trying to pry open the door on your own house, and the cops came by and you said 'It's OK, it's my house' and they just said 'OK' and left without asking for ID, you'd be OK with that? If it was me and the cops started to leave without asking for ID, I would call them out on it. That

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

they are FUCKING WRONG, it was the mans fucking house. jesus christ. how much more cut and dry can a case be??? i WISH they'd try to do this shit to me at my own house... i pray. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 9:08 AM, Michael Dinowitz wrote: > > They've already been convicted in the media. > >> These

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Please show me where I said that. Because I do not see where I said the cops should get away with any inappropriate behavior. All I was saying is that it seems like a lot of people are already convinced of the guilt of the police in this instance without knowing the facts. You admitted as much in

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

They've already been convicted in the media. > These cops are innocent until proven guilty..at this point we only have > an allegation, and that is what the story is about. ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with some

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

The tone of the article suggests, to me, that the cops have already been proven guilty. On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 8:53 AM, G Money wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > >> I think sometimes we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt >> until we know all the facts.

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

According to your logic then because its a dangerous job we should let the police get away with violating people's civil rights if the stories are different? >Its been reported that Gates called the cops 'racist'. I would be >interested to now if he said that and when. Was it when the cops >ap

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Scott Stroz wrote: > I think sometimes we need to give the cops the benefit of the doubt > until we know all the facts. But I guess ' innocent until proven > guilty' only applies to low life scum bag criminals. > Who says the cops are not getting the benefit of

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

>From my understanding, that yelling etc happened after Gates showed the police >his ID. The police have a very different story. However given that this isn't >the first time its happened with the Cambridge police I'm more inclined to >believe Gates. >Its been reported that Gates called the c

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

Its been reported that Gates called the cops 'racist'. I would be interested to now if he said that and when. Was it when the cops approached him? Was it when they asked for ID? Was it after he showed ID and they still gave him shit? To me it matters. If the cops approached him (or when he was a

Re: Harvard Professor arrested due to racial profiling

*snickers quietly* :) 2009/7/22 Bruce Sorge : > > Hang on folks, it's going to be a bumpy ride. > > Bruce ~| Want to reach the ColdFusion community with something they want? Let them know on the House of Fusion mailing lists Ar

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