Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Vivec
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/shock-as-retreat-of-arctic-sea-ice-releases-deadly-greenhouse-gas-6276134.html Looks like that much talked about chain reaction is starting. Dramatic and unprecedented plumes of methane – a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon

Re: General question about degrees

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I am taking classes at APU - which is essentially the same school. Most of my classes have had people from AMU in them. Most classes, I think I was the only non-military person enrolled. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Bruce Sorge sor...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, I have been with them for three

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
Funny thing, I bet an overwhelming majority of drivers would say the same thing. If you are on the phone or texting while driving, you are just as dangerous as anyone else doing the same thing. I have cut enough corpses out of cars to know that NO ONE is good at multi-tasking when driving is one

Secret Santa

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
Kansas City's best holiday tradition carries on: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/12/13/3318341/with-two-mayors-as-elves-secret.html ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Vivec
Why you go around doing that? Is that legal? 0_o On 14 December 2011 09:21, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I have cut enough corpses out of cars ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion Anthology now!

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Neither is Rush or Heart...but JayZ is...WTF? Whoa...hold up...RUSH is not in the Rock n Roll hall of fame? Perhaps the most talented trio ever assembled That's it. There is no rock n roll hall of

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
id love to be tested in a safe setting to prove it out, drunk, high, texting, etc. i bet i win. /no i have no competitive bones in my body ;) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Funny thing, I bet an overwhelming majority of drivers would say the same

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Not surprised. just wait until all that methane trapped in the permafrost in Canada and Russia starts bubbling up. That will be much much worse. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stewart
no.. that was me I had a little too much to drink on Saturday :) On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/shock-as-retreat-of-arctic-sea-ice-releases-deadly-greenhouse-gas-6276134.html Looks like that much

Re: General question about degrees

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
AMU and APU are a bit of a different setup. They're located near Scott and are a CF shop. I think that their other offices are near me. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:14 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I am taking classes at APU - which is essentially the same school. Most of my classes

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Rush, Guess Who, what do they have against Canadian groups? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:55 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Neither is Rush or Heart...but JayZ is...WTF? Whoa...hold up...RUSH is not

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
Its not a competition or a contest. Its driver safety. You may be the best driver in the world drunk stoned or sober, but there is no guarantee that the idiot in front or beside you is. The chances are that no matter how good you are, the guy hitting you won't be. Moreover I do not want to bet my

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
One of the other consequences of global warming is that the animals that were mostly in the southern parts of the continents are now moving north. This is resulting in a lot of hybridization Grizzly bears are mating with Polar bears. The offspring end up bigger and meaner than either. On Wed,

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stewart
+10...ad infinitum On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:20 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: Its not a competition or a contest. Its driver safety. You may be the best driver in the world drunk stoned or sober, but there is no guarantee that the idiot in front or beside you is. The

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
fi you are all right. but im still better, however, its the other idiots that arent :) hahahahahahahaha im really just kidding... btw, i fuck with the idiots i see texting by honking my horn and scaring the SHIT out of them. thats fun. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Scott

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Sam
The Dopes aren't even signed: http://www.myspace.com/thedopes . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Rules: Artists become eligible for induction 25 years after the release of their first record. Criteria include the influence and significance of the

Re: General question about degrees

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
They are technically 2 different schools (I think), but a lot of the classes are intermixed - a lot of the students in the classes I have taken are from AMU. The cool thing about this is that for my electives, I can take classes like: A Military History of World War II, 'Chemistry of Explosives'

Re: General question about degrees

2011-12-14 Thread Ray Champagne
'Blood Splatter Analysis' They can teach you how to be Dexter? Sweet! On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: They are technically 2 different schools (I think), but a lot of the classes are intermixed - a lot of the students in the classes I have taken are

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Erika L. Rich
One more thing to add for Weegs ... We hear ya that you are da man when it comes to multi-tasking. And will do whatever you want to do because, well hell, we live in the good ole U S of A ... however, don't let that sweet, adorable, impressionable child of yours see you doing anything behind the

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I was referring my time in EMS and having to cut people out of cars after bad accidents. :D On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Why you go around doing that? Is that legal? 0_o On 14 December 2011 09:21, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:  I have cut

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
Michael Jackson is in the Rock N' Roll Hal of Fame. Can't say I ever heard a Michael Jackson song that would be considered 'rock n' roll' :D On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: nitpick Stevie Ray Vaughn is a blues guitarist, not a rock guitarist.

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Vivec
Meh... changing habits around kids sucks. But I guess it's necessary. And for me it will be a case of I can do it, but you don't do it...I take this into account with my younger siblings as well. They really absorb EVERYTHING. :-\ On 14 December 2011 10:51, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote: that was for g money :) i know you do Stephen King wrote a book a few years ago called The Cell. A signal caused all cell phone user's brains to be essentially wiped clean...like a hard drive...leaving them in a primal

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
no doubt e. ive seen myself changing lots already... some habits just die hard... she has changed my world. both of them. im so blessed. in too many ways. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote: One more thing to add for Weegs ... We hear ya that you are da

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Medic
Ha. Somehow I think this is the very least of our worries. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:23 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: One of the other consequences of global warming is that the animals that were mostly in the southern parts of the continents are now moving north. This is

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Medic
LOL. I've often thought the EXACT same thing. Let me put back six beers and go for a drive. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote: id love to be tested in a safe setting to prove it out, drunk, high, texting, etc. i bet i win. /no i have no competitive

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:08 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Jackson is in the Rock N' Roll Hal of Fame. Can't say I ever heard a Michael Jackson song that would be considered 'rock n' roll' :D Really The Eddie Van Halen riff at the beginning of Beat Itperhaps one

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Ha. Somehow I think this is the very least of our worries. I'm more concerned about ManBearPig And i'm super serious. ~| Order the Adobe Coldfusion

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
both grizzlies and polar bears still consider people as prey. Given that I've seen these bears tear into heavily reinforced buildings, I don't think it will be the least of the worries. But its one thing of many. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Ha. Somehow I

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Ray Champagne
Try Gran Turismo sober, then keep playing throughout that six pack. You will see the progression of worsitude. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: LOL. I've often thought the EXACT same thing. Let me put back six beers and go for a drive. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
im more concerned about RepublicanBearPig's than those. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:15 AM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Ha. Somehow I think this is the very least of our worries. I'm more concerned about ManBearPig And

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:16 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: both grizzlies and polar bears still consider people as prey. Given that I've seen these bears tear into heavily reinforced buildings, I don't think it will be the least of the worries. But its one thing of many.

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
i am terrible sober at most video games, im talking about a real driving simulator. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ray Champagne r...@raychampagne.com wrote: Try Gran Turismo sober, then keep playing throughout that six pack.  You will see the progression of worsitude. On Wed, Dec 14,

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
The riff was Van Halen, not MJ. :D Putting Michael Jackson in the RR Hall of Fame is like putting Johnny Unitas in the Baseball Hall of Fame. Football baseball are both sports, right? And, well, he did throw the ball, just like any pitcher in the baseball hall of fame. So it makes sense, right?

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Sam
Shocking. This has been going on for so long but now that global warming is a known hoax we need new scare tactics. Nice try. . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Vivec
So the Russian research team is lying when they say that it's higher than it has been for 20 years and on a scale not seen before? That's a lie... It's just a normal release of methane and it's nothing to worry about then? On 14 December 2011 11:32, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Shocking.

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It depends, in BC people are hurt or killed by grizzlies regularly Its hard to say whether they were actively hunted but that's how I would bet. Whenever I'm back in the area and hiking I make sure I have extra bear spray (a very strong version of pepper spray). On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:18 AM,

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
It also fits with the data coming from the Canadian arctic as well. Same results according to recent geophysical surveys. Thing is that Sam seems to have a vested interest in towing the Rethugliklan line. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: So the Russian

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Dramatic and unprecedented plumes of methane – a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide – have been seen bubbling to the surface of the Arctic Ocean by scientists undertaking an extensive survey of the region.

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Ray Champagne r...@raychampagne.comwrote: Try Gran Turismo sober, then keep playing throughout that six pack. You will see the progression of worsitude. This principle also applies to Bowling and Billiards. A small number of beers appears to improve my

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
MJ was a Motown artist. All of the Motown music is considered a sub-class of rock. I agree. James Jamerson, who played bass on most of the Motown stuff is also in the Hall is a sideman. He had more influence on rock bass players than just about anyone ever. MJ was a much a rock artist as

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Sam
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote: Thing is that Sam seems to have a vested interest in towing the Rethugliklan line. It's the common sense line. But you go ahead and shout the sky is falling ... yet again. .

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Jerry Milo Johnson
Aren't large bubbles of methane in consideration for the loss of some shipping in the Bermuda Triangle? On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:45 AM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote: Dramatic and unprecedented plumes of

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Cameron Childress
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Jerry Milo Johnson jmi...@gmail.comwrote: Aren't large bubbles of methane in consideration for the loss of some shipping in the Bermuda Triangle? I've recently seen an online special about a lake in Africa that gurgled up some methane and killed 1,700+

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
Motown is a record label. Not sure I agree that all artists of a particular record label would/should fall under a one genre of music. Once again, I do not think MJ ever produced a song that would be considered rock n' roll. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
isnt it just possible that the ROCK N ROLL hall of fame was too limiting in just being ROCK n ROLL? and they started to open it up to MUSIC HALL OF FAME? i mean, jeeez, why does it matter ??? lol. they are all musicians, and its a hall of fame for music. looord. On Wed,

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
Following that logic, shouldn't they open up the Football Hall of Fame to soccer players? Or the Hockey Hall of Fame to figure skaters? Or Cricket players to Baseball Hall of Fame? If they are going to induct artists who would not be considered part of the 'rock n' roll' genre then they should

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Yes, Motown was a record label, but the name is used in the industry to describe a very distinctive style of music performed by the Motown artists. You are in entitled to your opinion about Rock-n-Roll. It does not, however, match either general consensus or obviously, the Hall of Fame

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Erika L. Rich
Yes. A very mysterious moving tipping point. I have yet to find that perfect summit before I fall horrible down the other side ... LOL I hit it once, many years ago, and held the pool table through a dozen or more challengers. Made a few bucks that night! I've never been able to repeat it... On

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I will agree that Motown as more than a label, I will even agree that when he was with the Jackson 5 he was 'Motown', but I disagree that any of his solo albums, regardless of what label they were released under, fits the 'Motown' sound. I would also disagree that every artist that recorded an

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Then explain why the Doobie's aren't in. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: From what I can see, the standards seem to be, 'Have you been around a long time? Were you a commercial success? Are you not Canadian? Ok, you're in.'

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I am not sure, but I suspect it has something to do with the episode of 'What's Happening' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDuW2rgbsD4 On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Then explain why the Doobie's aren't in. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Scott Stroz

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Medic
Well if half of North America is under water and we have no food, I'll be happy to see a Polar-Black Bear, because I'll kill it and eat it and use it's carcass as a canoe to find high ground. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote: both grizzlies and

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Cameron Childress
Honestly, my bar sport is foosball. Same principle applies though and I have held a foosball table the same way a few times. -Cameron On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote: Yes. A very mysterious moving tipping point. I have yet to find that perfect summit

Re: Yes! Yes!

2011-12-14 Thread Robert Munn
If that image doesn't stop and make everyone think for a moment about the reality of driver safety, nothing will. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 7:05 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I was referring my time in EMS and having to cut people out of cars after bad accidents. :D On Wed, Dec

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Robert Munn
It's all jazz anyway. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: MJ was a Motown artist. All of the Motown music is considered a sub-class of rock. I agree. James Jamerson, who played bass on most of the Motown stuff is also in the Hall is a sideman. He had

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
I am currently studying counterpoint theory using Gradus Ad Parnassum by Johann Joseph Fux. This is the same book that Bach, Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven used for study. From what I've learned I would conclude that all current music is based on this work, or at least the theories described in

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Robert Munn
ba-da-bing! And on that note, one of my favorite Dreamers, John Lennon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-b7qaSxuZUg On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: So perhaps it is all Fux anyway. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:06 AM, Robert Munn cfmuns...@gmail.com

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Sam
Chuck Berry or Little Richard are definitely rock. MJ was not. . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: MJ was a much a rock artist as Chuck Berry or Little Richard (whose act he copped).  Ask any rock band if they weren't influenced by Chuck Berry.

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
LOL. That's got to be the worse version of Black Water I've ever heard. Speaking of the Doobie's, the boy toy bought one of Tom Johnston's guitars this week, an extra thick hollow body Paul Reid Smith. Damn, it sounds fine. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:57 AM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I am currently studying counterpoint theory using Gradus Ad Parnassum by Johann Joseph Fux. This is the same book that Bach, Mozart, Haydn and Beethoven used for study. From what I've learned I would conclude that all

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
There is not a substantial difference in the musical structure of MJ song's when compared to Berry or Little Richard, other than use on the later stuff of the Jack Beat. Culture different yes, musical different, no. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck Berry

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Sam
I didn't study music theory but I have no problem distinguishing the different genres. I'm just referring to the popular songs since that's all I'm familiar with. . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: There is not a substantial difference in the musical

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Eric Roberts
I think MJ is one of those folks that is not 100% rock, but he did have a huge influence as a child to young adult on rock. Every genre has a pop category, and depending on what time period you are referring can differentiate what someone saying pop is referring to. RB, Soul, Rock, Jazz, Blues,

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
Michael Jackson NEVER produced a single 'rock' song, much less a 'rock' album. I don't care if Bruce Springsteen (I think we can all agree Bruce is a 'rock' guy) said he was influenced by Michael Jackson, that does not make Jackson a 'rock' guy. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:50 PM, Eric Roberts

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
There is very little differentiation between pop and rock in industry terms. For pete's sake, Robert Plant is nominated for Best Rock Vocal Grammy for a cut from Band of Joy, which was a nominee for best Americana album. Why? Because everyone knows Robert Plant is rock musician. Except when

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, labeling music by genre is worthless. There are only two kinds of music:  good and bad. I prefer the good  Miles Davis I can get onboard with that..however, in my opinion, Michael Jackson never produced any 'good'

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Cameron Childress
Indeed. He is the King of Pop, not the King of Rock. -Cameron On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Jackson NEVER produced a single 'rock' song, much less a 'rock' album. I don't care if Bruce Springsteen (I think we can all agree Bruce is a

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Tony
yah he belongs in a performance hall of fame On Wednesday, December 14, 2011, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: IMO, labeling music by genre is worthless. There are only two kinds of music: good and bad. I prefer the

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Tony
there is none higher of you enter my kingdom you betta use FIYA On Wednesday, December 14, 2011, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. He is the King of Pop, not the King of Rock. -Cameron On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:06 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: Michael

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Eric Roberts
Care to translate that into English Tony? *grin* On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Tony tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: there is none higher of you enter my kingdom you betta use FIYA On Wednesday, December 14, 2011, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed. He is the King of

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
I disagree. You might not like Michael as an artist or a person, but his stuff was musically sound. And the production for the most part is flawless. Thriller is a masterpiece. It's worth listening to for the guitar and bass parts alone: Steve Lukather and Louis Johnson play no junk. On Wed,

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
:) run run d d m m On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Eric Roberts ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote: Care to translate that into English Tony? *grin* On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Tony tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: there is none higher of you enter my kingdom you betta use

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree.  You might not like Michael as an artist or a person, but his stuff was musically sound.  And the production for the most part is flawless. In your opinion. Thriller is a masterpiece.  It's worth listening

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Ras Tafari
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree.  You might not like Michael as an artist or a person, but his stuff was musically sound.  And the production for the most part is flawless.

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: I disagree.  You might not like Michael as an artist or a person, but his stuff was musically sound.  And the production for the most part is

Re: Shock as the retreat of Arctic ice releases enormous amounts of deadly methane.

2011-12-14 Thread Larry C. Lyons
you mean if it don't get you first... On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:29 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote: Well if half of North America is under water and we have no food, I'll be happy to see a Polar-Black Bear, because I'll kill it and eat it and use it's carcass as a canoe to find high

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
You are going to base how great an artist is by their sales? In that case Justin Bieber is a damn superstar, lets not wait, lets induct him into the rock Roll Hall of Fame right now. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:59 PM, Scott

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
'Technically flawless'? I have no idea what that means. The coolest part of Thriller is Vincent Price, the rest is crap to my ears. Musical quality? I don't like his music. Therefore, to me, his music quality is poor. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: On

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: 'Technically flawless'? I have no idea what that means. The coolest part of Thriller is Vincent Price, the rest is crap to my ears. Musical quality? I don't like his music. Therefore, to me, his music quality is poor.

Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination?

2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
And again, you are making aesthetic judgments. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: 'Technically flawless'? I have no idea what that means. The coolest part of Thriller is Vincent Price, the rest is crap to my ears. Musical quality? I don't like his music.

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Exactly. There are numerous artists whose work I do not enjoy, but I can appreciate the talent required to perform it. But perhaps that is because I know what it takes to create something like the Thriller album, and possibly because I am huge fan of those behind the scenes. However, with

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2011-12-14 Thread GMoney
On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Exactly. There are numerous artists whose work I do not enjoy, but I can appreciate the talent required to perform it. But perhaps that is because I know what it takes to create something like the Thriller album, and

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Drummers love Peart for a reason. And as a bass player, I'm a huge fan of Geddy Lee. Sometimes I think Rush's music is too complex to be mainstream, but they are eat up with talent and way past due for the Hall. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 1:57 PM, GMoney gm0n3...@gmail.com wrote: When in doubt,

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2011-12-14 Thread Rick Eidson
I am a huge Rush fan and I played drums years ago and play bass now... Believe it or not I have ran into drummers that think Neil Peart is just ok...It shocks me but then I hear them play and talk about how they hate country, blues, jazz and seem to only like Commercialized modern hard rock or

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2011-12-14 Thread Sam
As a pop singer Brittany spears is genius. As a rock star she sucks. Same with MJ. I've heard many drummers criticize Peart. They say he's a good technical drummer but not an emotional one like Bonham was. But if you don't appreciate Zepplin you might not understand. . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at

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2011-12-14 Thread Sam
I loved rush in the 70's and 80's. Do they have any music since then worth listening to? . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Rick Eidson cfh...@kchost.net wrote: I am a huge Rush fan and I played drums years ago and play bass now... Believe it or not I have ran into drummers that think Neil

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2011-12-14 Thread Tony
if bonzos montreaux does not give u chills you are not alive On Wednesday, December 14, 2011, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: As a pop singer Brittany spears is genius. As a rock star she sucks. Same with MJ. I've heard many drummers criticize Peart. They say he's a good technical drummer

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Brittany Spears is a media creation. She had - at one point - a half way decent voice. She is by no means a musical genius on any level. Michael Jackson was. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: As a pop singer Brittany spears is genius. As a rock star she sucks.

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2011-12-14 Thread Sam
Your opinion of course . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Maureen mamamaur...@gmail.com wrote: Brittany Spears is a media creation.  She had - at one point - a half way decent voice.  She is by no means a musical genius on any level. Michael Jackson was.

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2011-12-14 Thread Sam
Wow, forgot about that one. Thanks . On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 5:31 PM, Tony tonyw...@gmail.com wrote: if bonzos montreaux does not give u chills you are not alive On Wednesday, December 14, 2011, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote: As a pop singer Brittany spears is genius. As a rock star she

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2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
There are plenty of artists where I do nto enjoy their music but can appreciate their talent. Michael Jackson, to me, is not one of those artists. I have never been a fan of his solo stuff. Ever. I always thought he was overvalued as an 'artist'. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:20 PM, GMoney

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2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I might agree that person who made it possible for MJ's voice to never leave puberty is a genius. :D I know I am like one of 5 people on earth who feel this way, and I am OK with that. The Jackson 5? Big fan (funny thing, to me, MJ sounds more like a man in any Jackson5 song than he did on any

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2011-12-14 Thread Rick Eidson
Snakes and Arrows is bas ass! New release is due out in Spring/Summer. Rick -Original Message- From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 4:31 PM To: cf-community Subject: Re: Rock and Roll Hall of Discrimination? I loved rush in the 70's and 80's. Do

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2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I just went and looked at some of the inductees: The Beastie Boys? (I am a big fan, but I think they deserve to be in the HoF less than MJ) ABBA? Madonna? The Bee Gees? James Taylor? (again, I am a huge fan, but not rock roll HoF worthy IMO) RUN DMC? (same as with James Taylor) Most of these

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Scott, I feel you have Rock and Roll as an umbrella confused with Rock, particularly Hard Rock, as a genre, and you are never going to agree with their choices. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 3:52 PM, Scott Stroz boyz...@gmail.com wrote: I just went and looked at some of the inductees: The Beastie

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2011-12-14 Thread Judah McAuley
Here is the page for induction criteria, by the by: http://rockhall.com/inductees/induction-process/ Still doesn't resolve the debate on what is rock and roll but I will note that the very first class of inductees included Jimmie Rodgers who is often regarded as the father of country music, so

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
Early Influence inductee. Not as a performer. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Still doesn't resolve the debate on what is rock and roll but I will note that the very first class of inductees included Jimmie Rodgers who is often regarded as the

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2011-12-14 Thread Maureen
I went through the entire list, and of all the inductees, I really only question ABBA, Madonna and The Police. There are numerous qualified acts that are much more deserving by any criteria, IMO. On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Judah McAuley ju...@wiredotter.com wrote: Here is the page for

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2011-12-14 Thread Scott Stroz
I disagree, there are plenty of artists who I agree with in the Hall who are not 'hard rock'. Michael Jackson, Madonna, James Taylor, the Beastie Boys, ABBA... these people NEVER produced a 'rock' album, even by the most liberal definition. Please note that there are groups, of which I am a big

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