I am not interested in myths. You made a statement that requires
proof. Now I am calling you on it. Where is the proof?
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Again no numbers etc., just more 'The Sky is Falling!!!'
It's amazing. Progressive statists can't
BTW have you ever read Alinsky or have any idea of what he did? If so
you would never be parrotting the right wing myth about the evils of
the man. For instance you know that he was quite conservative and a
republican.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:13 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
When a scientist says that CO2 plays no role in global warming, I have to
seriously question this person's credentials and sanity.
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From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 1:38 PM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Watch the Earth Cook
It's right there in the article...
-Original Message-
From: Sam [mailto:sammyc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 8:46 AM
To: cf-community
Subject: Re: Watch the Earth Cook
Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics is funded by API? Can't trust
anyone.
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On Mon, Jan 23,
And yet it's still cooler than it was a couple of hundred years ago. Go figure.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:34 AM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately for us we're at twice the levels of CO2 as we've ever had in
20,000,000 years.
If the highest levels from those last two
See that's why it's pointless to discuss things with you.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Eric Roberts
ow...@threeravensconsulting.com wrote:
When a scientist says that CO2 plays no role in global warming, I have to
seriously question this person's credentials and sanity.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
It fails. It only works if you believe the faked data like the stupid
hockey stick chart.
Take out the faked data and you have nothing.
The analogy works better and better with each post you make. Each time you
sound more and
So what's the bottom line. Is the earth exploding into a fiery ball of
flames in the next, say, 40 years? Or is it something that will happen 100
years from now?
And can we even stop it? Seriously?
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Facts be damned. Cam has a hunch.
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
It fails. It only works if you believe the faked data like the stupid
hockey stick chart.
Take out the faked data and you have nothing.
The analogy works better and better
Not you too?
You have time, most real scientists say at least a million years.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote:
So what's the bottom line. Is the earth exploding into a fiery ball of
flames in the next, say, 40 years? Or is it something that will
BTW:
A study of the changing climate of the Arctic over the last 2,000
years, by an international consortium led by Darrell Kaufman of
Northern Arizona University, was published on 4 September 2009. They
examined sediment core records from 14 Arctic lakes, supported by tree
ring and ice core
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Facts be damned. Cam has a hunch.
Neah - I'm no scientist, though that does still fit the cigarette analogy.
-Cameron
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote:
So what's the bottom line. Is the earth exploding into a fiery ball of
flames in the next, say, 40 years? Or is it something that will happen 100
years from now?
And can we even stop it? Seriously?
I can't tell who
Time to call Dr House.
On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Jerry Barnes critic...@gmail.com wrote:
Anyone following the LeRoy Twelve Story?
Diagnosis: Mass Hysteria.
Bull shit.
http://www.wgrz.com/news/article/150087/37/Update-on-Tourettes-Like-Illness-in-Leroy
Well over the next 100 years sea levels will be increasing a lot. Most
of the eastern seaboard coastline will be very different - over the
next 100 years there's an expected 18 inches to 2 foot rise in sea
levels - New York, Miami, most of Florida, and a lot of the east coast
seaboard will be
The most recent decade, 19992008, was the warmest
of the period, and four of the five warmest decades occurred between
1950 and 2000.
Again with the hockey stick graph with hide the decline?
That was modified and the new graph shows the Medieval warming having
much higher temperatures.
Faking
Al Gore loves you.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Well over the next 100 years sea levels will be increasing a lot. Most
of the eastern seaboard coastline will be very different - over the
next 100 years there's an expected 18 inches to 2
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/01/23/sci-dinosaur-nesting-site.html
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web: http://www.lyonsmorris.com/lyons
LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/larryclyons
There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always
has been. The strain of
That is straight from a set of studies put out by the National Academy
of Sciences. What's the matter they use too many big words for you?
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Al Gore loves you.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons
where is the fraud? Again this has been addressed multiple times, and
reputable and legitimate scientific committees have all noted no
fraud.
Sam, like your ideological kin, even though you may think that
repeating a lie eventually makes it true, that is never the case.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.comwrote:
Its not going to be a flaming ball of gas, unless you are talking
about the current Republican front runner.
The planet's gonna be fine. Actually probably better with fewer humans
around.
-Cameron
...
Not fraud, an honest mistake by an honest scientist ;)
But the graph has been changed and the new one shows that the last
decade was NOT the warmest in the last 1000 years.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
where is the fraud? Again this has been
In other words you have a bias for inaction:
you see something unprecedented in human recorded observation but you choose
not to act until the danger is overwhelmingly proven. That's an understandable
position.
I'm sure you can realize and understand, however, why others are more
That was straight from An Inconvenient Truth.
The sea levels will not rise and weather will not get more severe.
They admitted they added those lies to shock people into believing
them because they had no science.
Like Cam's hunch is good enough. Believe or your a tool for big oil.
.
On Tue,
Links?
On 24 January 2012 13:24, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not fraud, an honest mistake by an honest scientist ;)
But the graph has been changed and the new one shows that the last
decade was NOT the warmest in the last 1000 years.
I do. It's because they are morons.
But nice job changing the scope. All you're so called facts are wrong
so now you're going with the hunch and believe or your stupid.
Fact is the earth is not the warmest in the last 1000 years but CO2 is
the highest. If the CO2 is delayed why did the
most of the comments I made was from a report by ICF for the
department of transportation - Effects of Sea-level Rise on the
National Transportation Infrastructure. In it, the report noted the 18
inch to 2 foot rise in sea levels on the east coast. Some of the maps
and data tables show very
you're expecting him to provide supporting evidence?
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
Links?
On 24 January 2012 13:24, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not fraud, an honest mistake by an honest scientist ;)
But the graph has been changed and the new one
Impossible to say since:
1.) climatology is nascent - we don't know what interacts with what.
E.g., we know ice is melting at record levels and the rate is increasing beyond
any forecasted levels. That releases a lot of methane which is a GHG and
accelerates GW.
2.) since we can't predict
Factually that is false - sea levels are already rising as a result of
unprecedented ice melt that is accelerating.
You can simply look at Greenland, Alaska, or Antarctica to see that. Or the
northwest passage.
You can watch it happen in time lapse here:
http://www.ncasi.org/publications/Detail.aspx?id=3025
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
Links?
On 24 January 2012 13:24, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not fraud, an honest mistake by an honest scientist ;)
But the graph has been changed and the new
Did you read it:
Due to the overview aspect of this study, and systematic and value
uncertainties in the involved models, this analysis appropriately
considered sea level rise estimates from the IPCC reports as eustatic
occurrences, in other words, as uniform sea level rise estimates,
rather
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
you're expecting him to provide supporting evidence?
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:31
Interesting.
This disputes the hockey stick style graph.
It doesn't say anything for the last ten years as it stops at 2000.
We also need to take into account what these studies were trying to show:
The results of this study are relevant to the question of whether the MWP
and LIA
were real or
Whenever you get a group of humans together to make a decision based on
incomplete or unknowable facts you always get 2 general groups:
* do nothing
* do something
This is most visual in investing, starting a new business, etc. An example of
an action-extremist would be Steve jobs.
In this
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:02 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Whenever you get a group of humans together to make a decision based on
incomplete or unknowable facts you always get 2 general groups:
* do nothing
* do something
Most likely we're already too late and we'll be headed
To my knowledge nobody has questioned the Andrill data or analysis which is
circa 2010 and based on 13,000,000 years of climate data.
It shows 2 key things across those 13 million years:
1.) a direct correlation between atmospheric CO2 and global temp
2.) atmospheric CO2 twice as high as was
The hockey stick showed the temps flat until the last few decades. The
revised version shows that the Roman period was just as hot and the
Medieval period was hotter. Now it's just the normal cycle.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Vivec gel21...@gmail.com wrote:
Interesting.
This
What about fake facts?
While you say I'm in the do nothing camp, I have driven clean and
efficient cars for decades while you have not. I also support
improving our factories rather than closing them all and letting China
do the manufacturing with dirty factories.
See, I'm the real doer. You're
You guys will try anything to get cap-n-trade going.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Casey Dougall - Uber Website
Solutions ca...@uberwebsitesolutions.com wrote:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Earths-five-mass-extinction-events.html
What Veron 2008
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
To my knowledge nobody has questioned the Andrill data or analysis which is
circa 2010 and based on 13,000,000 years of climate data.
It shows 2 key things across those 13 million years:
1.) a direct correlation
Most real scientists? Love the No True Scotsman fallacy.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Not you too?
You have time, most real scientists say at least a million years.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Erika L. Rich elr...@ruwebby.com wrote:
So what's
opinion piece, not a journal article or a report from a reputable source.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012
Some opinions have more weight then others:
Nils-Axel Mörner was head of paleogeophysics and geodynamics at
Stockholm University (1991-2005), president of the INQUA Commission on
Sea Level Changes and Coastal Evolution (1999-2003), leader of the
Maldives sea level project (2000-11), chairman of
He also claims to have paranormal abilities to find water using a dowsing
rod.
Just sayin...
-Cameron
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
Some opinions have more weight then others:
Nils-Axel Mörner was head of paleogeophysics and geodynamics at
Stockholm
That's pretty cool. Don't wear you foil hat while doing this folks.
Some researchers have investigated possible physical or geophysical
explanations for alleged dowsing abilities. One study concluded that
dowsers respond to a 60 Hz electromagnetic field, but this response
does not occur if the
Oh, God, you practical joker.
-
Because I can lie beautiful true things into existence ...
Neil Gaiman on Why I write.
On 1/24/2012 11:12 AM, Larry C. Lyons wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2012/01/23/sci-dinosaur-nesting-site.html
If you're referring to the graph I sent, that's not the Andrill data
On Jan 24, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
To my knowledge nobody has questioned the Andrill data or analysis which is
circa
With our eyes we can see record levels of ice melt. With our thermometers we
can see 10 of the 11 hottest recorded years in the last decade.
So either you look at that and say, yeah, as a collective we should be acting
or you say, no, as a collective we should not act.
You are clearly saying
I just got a call from a company named AppAssure offering a disaster
recovery/business continuity solution... has anyone heard of them
before?
(and yes, I've already googled them, I'm hoping to get personal
feedback from people I know)
Thanks!
Until Later!
C. Hatton Humphrey
Its not just the ice melting, there are a lot of other indicators as
well, time of year when new growth first starts has been progressively
earlier over the last decades. Bird and animal migrations from south
to north has also started earlier. Or look at the ranges for certain
species of animals
Look at any graph that you think shows a correlation.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're referring to the graph I sent, that's not the Andrill data
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There's rational thinking and problem solving and there's the sky is
falling mentality.
Guess which one you are.
Again, none of us deniers are saying to do nothing. We're saying don't
act out of panic. Gather your thoughts and work responsibly.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Gruss Gott
And they used to farm in Greenland.
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:22 PM, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
Its not just the ice melting, there are a lot of other indicators as
well, time of year when new growth first starts has been progressively
earlier over the last decades. Bird
why does everyone on this list waste their time trying to get sam to
agree to something he firmly doesnt believe in??
just wondering?
larry i think you'd have more luck with your ferrets.
im not saying either side is right or wrong, i couldn't care less. i
really couldn't.
but it's amazing to
I tend to step in from time to time to make a point, but then am reminded
that there isn't really a mutual desire to share information but really
just one to argue. That's usually when I vanish from the thread again.
-Cameron
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com
word.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
why does everyone on this list waste their time trying to get sam to
agree to something he firmly doesnt believe in??
just wondering?
larry i think you'd have more luck with your ferrets.
im not saying either
Were just bantering about old arguments. They are convinced everyone's
forgotten the global warming was proven a fraud, renamed, and still a
fraud. Al Gore is an idiot and his docudrama was stupid and false.
Did you notice how the scope keeps changing from direct correlation to
I have a feeling
Wow, so you're sharing information but I'm just arguing?
I'm using science you are using a gut feeling.
whatever.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Cameron Childress camer...@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to step in from time to time to make a point, but then am reminded
that there isn't really
As it is a matter of superstitious belief then, yes I would agree, it is
much easier teaching the ferrets new tricks. Some time or other i'll have
to post a couple of videos of them performing a few...
On Tuesday, January 24, 2012, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
why does everyone on
Put a cat somewhere in the video and watch the $$ roll in from Youtube lol
^_^
On 24 January 2012 19:44, Larry C. Lyons larrycly...@gmail.com wrote:
As it is a matter of superstitious belief then, yes I would agree, it is
much easier teaching the ferrets new tricks. Some time or other i'll
So what is it you're recommending exactly?
If I understand, youre saying gather more data, but collectively create no
pre-emotive opposing force; is that right?
On Jan 24, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Sam sammyc...@gmail.com wrote:
There's rational thinking and problem solving and there's the sky
The two great lenses to observe human behavior are money and danger; everyone
has some different level of action based on a different level of input.
There's a great model describing human behavior as the sum of individual apps
all looking for dominance - our personalities are thus a
I've told a dozen times already.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
So what is it you're recommending exactly?
If I understand, youre saying gather more data, but collectively create no
pre-emotive opposing force; is that right?
My first guess is they made a study to fit their predefined results.
Sounds too stupid to look into.
.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:21 PM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
Take s3x: There's a Cal study that depicts motivation in, say, political
candidates who oppose legal marijuana use
otherwise known as the bug-on-the-windshield scenario
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 9:27 AM, Gruss Gott grussg...@gmail.com wrote:
In other words you have a bias for inaction:
you see something unprecedented in human recorded observation but you
choose not to act until the danger is
I was wondering something of the kind myself. You can show Sam facts, or
you can not bother. Both have the same effect, but the latter allow you to
get something else done. Shrug.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:28 PM, Ras Tafari rastaf...@gmail.com wrote:
why does everyone on this list waste their
there isn't really a mutual desire to share information but really just
one to argue.
I completely disagree.
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On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Medic hofme...@gmail.com wrote:
there isn't really a mutual desire to share information but really just
one to argue.
I completely disagree.
Taken straight from the liberal playbook.
Damn hippie.
-Cameron
...
No wonder they see nothing wrong with the status quo.
http://gawker.com/5878851/your-guide-to-mitt-romneys-obscene-tax-situation
Romney paid just about 15% on about 42m in earnings.
Nice...
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Just noticed that emails are displaying the circle activity of the senders;
is this a new thing or did I miss a memo?
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I've seen that for a couple of weeks.
Not sure how I feel, though, about their privacy policy change. Apparently
that don't do evil thing is a part of the past.
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:03 PM, Dana dana.tier...@gmail.com wrote:
Just noticed that emails are displaying the circle activity
I'm not sure I object to it. The thing is, though, it makes certain
assumptions that really don't bear out in my case. A lot of the people I
send email to (family, for example) boggled at the idea of joining another
social media program and aren't on Circles. A lot of people from Circles
are
Imagine that...and industry research group
About NCASI:
The National Council for Air and Stream Improvement (NCASI) is an
independent, non-profit research institute that focuses on environmental
topics of interest to the forest products industry. NCASI was established in
1943 by the pulp
See it on video:
http://gawker.com/5878794/video-la-cops-shoot-shoot-a-guy-point+blank-outside-a-carls-jr
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